Unacceptable

Jonathan Willis
February 01 2014 01:58PM

Without superhuman goaltending from Ben Scrivens (and he was just fine in today's loss) the Edmonton Oilers were on the wrong end of a 4-0 score against Boston. They were outshot, outchanced, somehow outhit despite never having the puck and flat-out out-played.

The Last Two Games

 

Edmonton has allowed 100 shots over its last two contests. They have matched up against the NHL's powers and been found not just wanting but humiliatingly, embarassingly unable to even put in a respectable showing. Team Switzerland has been more competitive in Olympic matches against Team Canada.

The scoring chances today paint an ugly picture of an outsmarted, outskilled and outworked team:

The Problems

 
The problems are myriad. Let's take a quick walk-through:

  • The powerplay. A strength as recently as a year ago - with much the same cast of players - it has devolved into a terrible weakness. Boston outchanced Edmonton 2-0 during Oilers powerplays today, and after a decent start to the night a first period power play sucked whatever energy the team had out of them. This one is on the coaching staff.
  • The Oilers had a top-10 penalty kill a year ago. This year, they sit 17th in the NHL, and they allowed two goals on five opportunities against the Bruins. The cast may even be improved from last season - this one too is on the coaches.
  • The top line. A year ago, the top line was an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that outshot and outchanced the opposition. This year, it's an undisciplined run-and-gun trio that gets badly outshot and outchanced by the opposition.
  • Sam Gagner. Just that.
  • The defence. This one is on the current general manager to some degree, and on the one before him to a much larger degree. A year ago, Nick Schultz and Justin Schultz were in over their heads as the Oilers' second pair. Currently, they're in over their heads as the Oilers' top pair. Andrew Ference and Jeff Petry have good points, but they're being asked to play at levels well beyond their ability to handle. Rookie Martin Marincin is in the top-four on merit. Mark Fraser is just the latest addition to a forgetable group of bottom-pairing blue liners that have demonstrated little beyond an ability to get lit up in the NHL.

Today's loss is yet another in a long series of humiliating low points for the Oilers. There is no excuse. It cannot be allowed to continue. This team desperately needs to turn things around, and soon. Maybe that means reworking the coaching staff so that new assistants can add some outside insight during an Olympic break reworking of team strategy - and provide better support for a rookie head coach. Maybe it means replacing Dallas Eakins with a veteran NHL bench boss.

Maybe it means more than that, or that and more than that. But this team cannot continue as-is. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 **
February 01 2014, 06:23PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

Because MacT can't go back in time. He can't fix 7 yrs of losing with one off season, when the coming season had a salary cap going down. Hes made mistakes, we all do regardless of our profession. But Perron, Gordon, Ference are all solid additions. Eakins may have been a mistake. Signing Gags was another. Using the word Bold, was prob his biggest. MacT will improve as GM with time, like most of us do when gaining experience.

Let me ask this, what has MacT done or not done to show he is incapable of turning this around? I'd love to hear from all you armchair gm's who played Jr B and think they know it all.

"Let me ask this, what has MacT done or not done to show he is incapable of turning this around? I'd love to hear from all you armchair gm's who played Jr B and think they know it all."

What if I told you I've never played ice hockey in my life. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????????????

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#52 outdoorzguy
February 01 2014, 06:58PM
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"Without superhuman goaltending from Ben Scrivens (and he was just fine in today's loss) the Edmonton Oilers were on the wrong end of a 4-0 score against Boston. They were outshot, outchanced, somehow outhit despite never having the puck and flat-out out-played."

I bet Bryzgalov gets the next start. Thats how this team thinks. We saw one of the greatest goaltending performances ever,(think perfect game good!). Bryz should have been released after the Sharks game so Scrivens could ride the season out.

But ultimately it comes down to this;

We have crappy management.

We have crappy ownership.

We have crappy coaches.

Plain and simple.

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#53 OIL86
February 01 2014, 08:50PM
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@Bryzarro World

Gregor is a tool.He doesn't know how to debate without flipping out and insisting his opinion is absolutely flat out correct.

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#54 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 11:08PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

You're right, of course.

Serially hiring incompetent, unsatisfactory coaches has to stop.

The solution, of course, is to fire the cadre that made the serial hiring mistakes so that the next coach hired is an enduring and successful one.

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#55 cccsberg
February 02 2014, 02:18AM
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blue31 wrote:

THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! On paper, the Oilers roster should match up with most teams in the league.

They have a bunch of highly skilled first over-all draft picks. They have a player who has scored 8 points in a single NHL game. They have a player who was money in the WJCs. They have a record setting goaltender. They have a Stanley Cup champion defenceman. They have another D-man who was the most sought after free-agent a couple years ago. They have world class skills in Hemsky and Smyth. Marincin is in the Olympics.

They are looking completely confused, disoriented and apprehensive.

THAT is coaching failure of the highest degree.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding. All this "great talent" is second worst in the league and heading to the bottom. Sure there are some very talented players, and sure coaching may be (?) a problem, but when you start with a dysfunctional "team", with a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who don't want to/can't play even the basics consistently, do you really think its JUST the coaching?

Just because someone was first overall doesn't guarantee anything. Players have to continue to develop and grow into the NHL game...

8 pts in any game is great, but a career isn't a single game. What has he done since /lately? Past, one-time glory is meaningless unless you can follow it up...

Money in the WJCs? That's about the same level he's providing now. Unfortunately this isn't Juniors, though some nights you'd think many of the Oilers still think it is...

See above comment about "8 pts", though Scrivens does seem to be playing well so far. Unfortunately he's UFA and highly doubtful he'll re-sign unless management shows they are serious about correcting the team's major issues.... (team defence)

Different team...

Why do you think he refused to honour the draft and sign with one of the best teams in the league? Perhaps he knew he was crap on defence and still wouldn't be playing? You really REALLY think that was a coup?

Right.

Rookie, hope he turns out in a couple years. Once he and some other prospects are ready for the big show the Oilers can claw their way out of the basement...

Summary, yes there is talent, but that talent isn't good enough and some significant pieces need to be moved to get a better balanced core.

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#56 michael
February 02 2014, 10:08AM
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Oh my. The axe's are out today after a loss. Who'd have thunk that? The Bus is once again a little lighter today.

As a note L.A Kings losers of 8/9. Can't score for the life of them. Couldn't score into an ocean. And its right there.

JW when was the last time the Oilers won a game in Boston? 10 years ago/ Its been a long time with many players passing through since then. It is the same in MINNY. Dallas same thing.

So if your going to rant about our play in Boston wrap some perspective around it.

The Oilers wish they had 3 centers of Bergeron Kriji and Kelly.I wish I had a 6'9 defenceman who annually is a Norris Trophy candidate. Yup we have a Milan Lucic.Not. Were so far away from competing with the big boys its not even close.

SJ,ANA,CHI and St Louis are in another league as far as were concerned.Its not even close. Sure we needed superhuman goaltending this week to win against SJ. But often has that been the case.

MacT needs time to repair this trainwreck. You gave Mr Dithers 4 years. Heck can you give MacT even one?MacT isn't the Wizard of Oz. Abracadabra! Look over there at the blinky lights. 4 years of dithering and wallowing in self pity cost this team.MacT is atleast trying to find the pieces needed for this team. Sure some have not fit. But some you can argue have done well.As of today would you rather have MP or DP. EB or BG?

Eakins is not my choice. I won't be standing up for him anytime soon. He has made a whack of mistakes. I would be happy with someone with experience. PaulMaurice. Too bad. Duane Sutter.Oh well. We got Eakins.ts like the kid who sold the cow for 3 magic beans. But in our case the beans are beans.We were sold a story regarding Eakin's. And well, beans are beans.

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#57 fasteddy
February 01 2014, 02:58PM
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Eakins needs to go. There isn't one thing that we are "building" on......everything is brutal

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#58 Spydyr
February 01 2014, 05:07PM
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Wow. even the stats guys think Gagner sucks now .They are only three years late getting on board with that one.

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#59 Ryan2
February 01 2014, 05:31PM
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Wow wrote:

What more can you say about Gagner?

The thing I would LOVE,LOVE,LOVE to hear is someone in the Media asking Eakins to explain how this 4.8 million dollar failure doesn't qualify for the "accountability" program.

You remember the one, Dallas...I believe the quote was: "Look, I don't care when you were drafted or what your contract is..."

Well,Dallas, please explain this to Oiler fans.

Just a guess, but I bet there are Oiler players who would love to hear the answer on this one,too.

Accountability? What a joke that is...

As long as MacT is here he will not be benching Gagner..........

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#60 Dave
February 01 2014, 06:46PM
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Just thought of another KLowe quote: "When I won all those cups, I used to tell Slats that the key was to win at home. For all you second tier fans that don't understand the game, we beat San Jose. It's about the 2 pts, not beauty. And you can thank me because I told Craig to get Scrivens."

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#61 bwar
February 01 2014, 09:04PM
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Also Eberle was the worst player on the ice tonight. Kid needed to sit for a few shifts but Eakins would never risk hurting the feelings of one of the golden boys.

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#62 nuge2nail
February 01 2014, 09:15PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I think the problem with the oilers is that the team sucks.

I think the problem with Eakins is he only seems to think Yakupov sucks.

I can't seem to understand why only Yaks gets benched and no other Oilers. How does Eakins approach help preach accountability?

Not like Yaks was on the ice for all 100 shots or something... Love to see Eberle benched once in a while for a behind the back pass on the tape of the opposing team.

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#63 Oilers Coffey
February 01 2014, 10:34PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

Some people want Hall on the half boards instead of Nuge because he is more of a threat to shoot. David Staples tonight was a perfect example why Taylor can't play the position. He may have a hard shot and is a great skater but his decision making is below the NHL average until he matures as a player. He gave the puck away on the offensive end tonight at least 5 times,

I wish the Oilers had a half wall sniper like the Great 8! Oh we did with Krueger in Yakupov. Eakins has absolutely destroyed this kids confidence. How many of us thought wow this kids got a canon last year when he was scoring from that very spot.

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#64 Serious Gord
February 01 2014, 11:30PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure that management hired a series of incompetent coaches. I think they made a series of incompetent decisions, serially firing competent coaches as scapegoats for their own managerial incompetence.

And I don't think the fans blamed the past coaches. I don't recall a groundswell of popular support calling for Renney's or Krueger's scalp

They really only hired one incompetent coach. And it is on MacT to correct his mistake, as JW points out, sooner rather than later.

Renney was hired almost immediately upon his dismissal by a competent organization, the RedWings. Krueger found work right away with Hockey Canada.

After this audition, I can't imagine what organization will be beating down Eakins door, if MacT does the right thing.

You are correct bad decisions rather than just bad coaches. I think hiring Quinn and kreuger were both. Especially when one takes into account that Rennie was likely fired to make room for messier who refused to take the job and that Krueger was hired as filler.

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#65 bazmagoo
February 02 2014, 01:41AM
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@blue31

Well said dude, it's got nothing to do with a lack of talent, at least on paper. Either Eakins system isn't working or the players aren't playing for him, so he's either failing to get them motivated or failing as a tactician. Either way, he's failing! It's not the first time and it won't be the last time an AHL coach has failed moving up to the big leagues. So happy everyone is finally on the fire Eakins bandwagon!

Come on MacT, correct your mistake. Go behind the bench for the rest of the season & ditch this dummy!

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#66 john
February 02 2014, 02:56AM
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Fire Eakins, he is screwing up this team ans Yakupov. I think Nail is unfairly treated, I m from Toronto and Eakins was unfairly treated Kadri over here before too.

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#67 Serious Gord
February 02 2014, 07:39AM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

My earlier post was edited. Points were added in that I did not write. Does JW do this? Any of the other writers? Perhaps an editor? This is unacceptable. I have now lost confidence in this site as I now must question the authenticity of any posting placed here. Like the Oilers, this site has now become a sham!

Never has happened to me.

Are you sure? Which post and which points?

You're sure it wasn't just too much tanqueray?

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#68 camdog
February 02 2014, 08:51AM
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Chambers wrote:

How about those FLAMES!! Zero talent yet they have a 5 games win streak the longest in the NHL this season. They play with big heart and desire and work there ass off every shift.

Oh well Oiller fans enjoy watching 17 year old Ekblad develop and the Flamers instead will play for winning culture rather than draft position.

Yes the Flames have a 5 game win streak, however they don't have the longest win streak in the NHL this season.

As to Ekblad I expect the Flames to win the draft lottery and jump E-town in draft order. I then expect Burke to draft Ekblad just to piss Lowe off.

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#69 russ99
February 02 2014, 09:09AM
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Fire Lowe and everyone else in the org is reviewed by the new experienced President or Hockey Operations (hired by exhaustive search and interview process, not if he played with Gretzky) i

Then the new guy does an exhaustive review of the staff and each person keeps or loses his job on merit.

That would clean out 75% of the slackers out.

At this point MacT may keep his job.

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#70 The Soup Fascist
February 02 2014, 09:13AM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

My earlier post was edited. Points were added in that I did not write. Does JW do this? Any of the other writers? Perhaps an editor? This is unacceptable. I have now lost confidence in this site as I now must question the authenticity of any posting placed here. Like the Oilers, this site has now become a sham!

Hmm. Maybe New Age Sys posts were in actuality only one or two paragraphs long, but JW added on the final 237 paragraphs each post to cover up the genius of Momma2.

Or perhaps DSF used to write posts that were actually positive and uplifting but the conspirators at ON twisted them around to make him seem trollish. Note: I miss DSF, a little - turns out he was more right than wrong in terms of management.

Seriously, I am sure you are sincere that something happened to your post but I can't see anyone intentionally editing it. Weird stuff happens on the internet sometimes. But other than " Fist " posts that were pre warned they were going to get edited by certain authors or removal of inappropriate posts - again after warnings, I have not seen or heard of anything as you described. Hopefully a rare glitch.

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#71 Zarny
February 02 2014, 12:58PM
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Good grief, the hand-wringing over the same thing game after game is comical.

The problem isn't the coach. The problem isn't the systems they are playing.

The problem is that none of the top 6 F or what the Oilers call top 4 D can play against big, physically strong players.

There are men in the NHL who are 6'4" 225+ lbs who can skate and stick-handle like our smaller, skilled F.

The Oilers have none of them on offense or defense and no one capable of stopping them. End of story. Especially in the top 6/top 4 who are on the ice for 2/3 of a game.

Until that changes nothing will change.

Firing Eakins will do nothing. His replacement will still be stuck putting Petry, Ference or Schultz out for 20+ min a night and Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Gagner, Perron and Yak will still get stopped dead in their tracks against Chara and Lucic.

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#72 dougtheslug
February 01 2014, 02:22PM
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What a rude dose of reality.

Sad return to Boston for Ference. I think he was on the ice for all 4 goals. No wonder Boston could let him go when they had 2 stud rookies, Hamilton and Krug, nicely marinating in Junior or down in Providence, then brought up to develop beside real 1-2 d-men.

Boston can afford to let an elite talent like Tyler Seguin go for little more than spare parts because he didn't play Bruin hockey. You don't play Bruin hockey, you don't play in Boston.

Which raises the question, what is Oiler Hockey? The one player who, pound for pound, is arguably their hardest, most responsible player, Mark Arcobello, gets sent down to OKC.

Maybe Oilers were saving themselves for their version of the cup. That would be against Buffalo on Monday. And I'm not sure they will be trying to win. Is that Oiler hockey?

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#73 Spaz
February 01 2014, 03:08PM
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DEAR COACHING STAFF - The one man high umbrella PP formation DOES NOT WORK with this group. Please stop forcing it.

Just try the traditional two dmen on the point, or even Yakupov on there for a one timer.

As much as people malign the defence the one thing I noticed again and again recently was whenever the team got the puck out of their zone the forwards couldn't get 20 feet into the bruins zone without coughing it up. Rag on the blue line all you want but when you're busting your ass to get it out of the zone and it's back across your blue line before you can blink it must be demoralizing.

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#74 Oiler Al
February 01 2014, 03:21PM
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U G L Y;.. Its not that they lost, we are pretty much used to that program... Its the way they lost. Honestly there are better beer league and peewee teams than this. Utter disgrace.

Should change the name to the Edmonton Gliders.

Note To Hall and Eberle.. You are no longer in the Jr. league, play like men ,or is the game to fast for your brains and skill.

This isnt a Re-build it's a Crumble.

If the players cared half as much as the fans did, we might win a few more games.

JW, good call out... I say Fire all the coaches upon return of this road trip. No gain in keeping these banana peels behind the bench.

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#75 hark65
February 01 2014, 03:27PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Here we are 4 season into the stamped and certified KLowe rebuild and we’ve got 1 good player in Taylor Hall, a few small flashy forwards like Ebs and RNH, and a team no where close to NHL compete level... utter failure.

Hopefully Mac-T can right this ship in the next year or two because if he doesn’t there would be no choice left but to actually rebuild the rebuild, meaning a very long time without watching a real NHL team.

Completely agree. The team is a LONG way from being a solid roster and I don't see any big name FA's coming this summer to help the defence or top 6 (which is where they desperately need help). Unless one considers Ryan Callahan or Milan Michalek "big names". Would they consider signing with the Oilers?

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#76 Oilcruzer
February 01 2014, 03:46PM
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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

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#77 Chris
February 01 2014, 04:26PM
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@Otis Winchester the third

I thought you were banned from here! Isn't it bad enough that the oilers are having a terrible year? Don't subject us to any more unnecessary suffering!

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#78 Stew
February 01 2014, 04:38PM
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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

"Newage System"??? Someone get this man a flock of seagulls cut and tell him to take his pills.

One of the most incoherent pieces of garbage I've read on here. The worst part is that this isn't a joke...

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#79 Spydyr
February 01 2014, 05:10PM
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If they keep Eakins and allow him to pick his assistant coaches how many more ex- Marlies would the team have then?

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#80 Oiler63
February 01 2014, 05:26PM
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I always consider anything from the Leafs organization is a damaged good, but was willing to give Eakins the benefits of doubt. Turns out he proved anything from the Leafs organization IS damaged good. Lesson learned.

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#81 David S
February 01 2014, 06:17PM
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@Ivan Drago

NewAgeSys is back!

*Punches computer screen*

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#82 Max
February 01 2014, 07:10PM
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We all know K Lowe wont admit his part in all of this, nor will he step aside. It would not hurt if the GM would admit he was wrong regarding the head coach and let him go. Laviolette, Crawford and others are out there waiting to whip this team into shape. Boot camp for the Oilers should be next on the list.

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#83 slats
February 01 2014, 08:21PM
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Can we please, please, please stop talking about Gags NMT clause. This team is 18-33-6!!! We aren't a good team.

He's the constant point of discussion about how poor he is playing, his effort and d-coverage is atrocious and we can continue to discuss his shortcomings. But I think Gagner would not be averse to trade and may even welcome it.

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#84 J.R.
February 01 2014, 08:28PM
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Skid the entire coaching staff.

Eakins is not a good coach at the NHL level.

Just my opinion.

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#85 Bryzarro World
February 01 2014, 09:09PM
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OIL86 wrote:

Gregor is a tool.He doesn't know how to debate without flipping out and insisting his opinion is absolutely flat out correct.

Lmao!

Yup.. he also falls back to "not hard ti understand" or "you ever play the game?" I used to like him but he is becoming lame. Waiting for him to start ranting about his playing days at the southside athletics club...

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#86 Bryzarro World
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I have no argument with the out pourings of Gagners poor play on the team and his lack of effort etc etc., however, if Gagner was the only problem on this team we would have won this game. Its deeper than NO. 89 by a long strech.

Out Number 1 line could not muster a point and gave the puck away all day long. Lets tryig focusing on these high paid , big minute players that didnt show up for the game today.

Ask Dallas wtf.... Bench them! Instead it is Yak's fault.

Dallas is a little wimp. Can only pick on the little rookie. Yes, he isn't playing well but who is? Hold all accountable and don't blow smoke up our a$$ with lame, smartass quips and speeches that carry as much weight as my dog's popcorn farts....

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#87 Serious Gord
February 02 2014, 12:11AM
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Very weak brother, that's all hindsight ship except for the Eakins hiring.

Can't speak for Rick Stroppel, but I opposed almost all of those moves at the time they happened. And there were others besides me.

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#88 Mars
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Thank you PVR, it only takes 15 mins to watch an Oiler game these days. Hire a minor league coach, get a minor league team, because the old oilers beside Eakins(buckburgerb and smith) are obviously just there to collect a check. And WHY would you hire a guy who scored the most infamous goal in oiler history, your just asking for bad luck. Kevin Lowe, Kelly buckburger and especially Steve Smith, need to do the right thing and just go home and enjoy hockey from their couches.

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#89 Bryzarro World
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Oh look it's the annual "Lets get rid of the coach" group out in full force. If these guys had it their way we would fire the coach twice each season.

Here's a thought.. OILERS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TALENT! Mull it over a bit maybe it will sink in where the problem truly lies? But i doubt it.

Some people wanted Renney fired because he sheltered the kids and knew how to coach.

I don't recall a ton of people calling for Ralph's head so your argument is invalid....

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#90 john
February 02 2014, 03:51AM
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The Avs started winning from the start with Roy, this is his 1st season with the team. It didn't take forever. Good coach get the team winning.

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#91 Walter Sobchak
February 02 2014, 06:15AM
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When a team is this rotten there really is no way of knowing what the problems really are?

Obviously the Oilers thought it was the coaching, we found out after 3 coaches that while each coach was good & bad the team always showed some signs of progress.

Except this year.

Mac-T came in & to my astonishment has mastered the complex art of acquiring 5-6-7 defensemen & to a lesser extent been able to procure the Oilers those ever tough 4th line position players & even the rare but awesome father son tandem.

Kevin.....well, the POHO...does anybody know exactly what this guy does? According to Katz he doesn't do anything, according to Mac-T he kind of helps him from time to time, and according to the POHO he does stuff but just doesn't get credit for it anymore.

What does AGM do? I haven't seen that guy all year!!

Howson is suppose to help in what way? The GM or the AGM, the POHO?

When it's this bad the ONLY thing left to do is burn the whole organizational structure down.

When in doubt get rid of everyone

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#92 Spydyr
February 02 2014, 06:27AM
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Who else here wishes, Gary Gregg would have brought the team. Instead of falling for false promises.

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#93 merfer
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It just seems to me that Gagner wants to be traded. He has totally checked out with this team and doesn't really care what happens so let's move him out fast. I don't care what we get for him. His attitude is hurting the team. It also seems like maybe the coach wouldn't mind getting fired too. He has never connected with this team and just can't get these players inspired. There is just no way this team should be worse than last year. MacT has provided a better base of players so how could we be so much worse? It has got to be the coaching because the talent is better and our young players are more experienced. Hiring Eakins was MacT's biggest mistake, but for him to fix this, he will need to eat a extra large helping of crow and I'm not sure he is ready for diner yet.

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#94 Death Metal Nightmare
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why has it taken this long for the media/fans to be out on Sam Gagner? they should have got rid of him 2-3 seasons ago when it was obvious that he cannot create his own offense until chaos by other players gives him space/broken plays/loose pucks. the dude is an absolute passenger in it's purest form and everyone was sold on some Little Boy Named Sam, doe eyes and a super series run against uncompetitive teenagers...

even last season everyone bought into the inflated hype and was cool with giving him way too much money.

everyone around here eat's the long overdue/rotten food well beyond it's due date and then comes around all at once when it's popular to trash a player. reactive, just like the team - instead of proactive. falling in love with bad/mediocre players for over a decade. applaud!

- get Eakins out of here. no one needs a prideful macho dork who lives in denial about his own skill. youve been humbled. swallow it. all the assistants need to go. just a bunch of medicore/bad ex-players who are buddies with the hierarchy. get someone in here who fosters Yakupov instead of giving him Bad Dog discipline.

- get rid of wimps. Eberle is a wimp. send him to the east. Gagner: wimp. RNH is the only wimp worth keeping so far.

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#95 Sisyphus
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What I find most interesting about all the commentary is all the "Fire Eakins" I see. Granted, I am not a fan of his, and don't believe he's the right coach for the job.

That said--I think its time to accept that this isn't an issue of having the "right" coach. Yes, a different coach might help, but ultimately, this is about our PLAYERS.

Yes, our POHO and GM have made this roster, but from the top to the bottom, "star" players to AHL call-ups, they just aren't very good. You can keep changing the coach every season, even get a new POHO or GM. But until 1) the players we have start to play like they actually belong in the NHL EVERY NIGHT, and 2) we get quality supporting cast that doesn't look like its "bring your AHL players to work" night, this team is going to continue to embarrass itself.

The coach may not have the room, but its the players who have outright refused to listen to the guy who is trying to make them do some hard learning.

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#96 Randaman
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I don't think it has taken this long for a lot of people. I was at the draft party at Rexall when they drafted Sam, Plante and Nash in 2007 and was sick about every pick, they had just been to the Stanley Cup finals with a big gritty team with a stud defense man,(don't look who was drafted after them). Ganger and Hemsky are the only two draft picks left that were picked by this team from 2000-2007. who was the GM? I also was a far bigger fan of Cogliano because of his speed and durability. Mac T was in love with Gagner because he was the most skillful player the Oilers had from 07-his leaving the team. He actually played with a lot more heart a few years ago but was never more than a third line player.

That is because Kane carried Gagner through junior and raised his value. Lowe failed to notice this. Remember Pouliot? Same thing because he played wing with Crosby. Any questions?

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#97 emonkee
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Couple of things. Didn't like the play when Nuge passed it to Eberle breaking out of the zone but Eberle was changing and it came back the other way. Why is he changing before his team is able to dump it in. Didn't like the play when the defense were changing inside the Boston blue line while a puck battle was going on just outside the blue line. We won the puck battle but we went offside. You are allowed to jump over the boards so you are not offside you know? Lastly Taylor Hall's back pass to the other team summed up his night and that's why he isn't on team Canada.

That's right TT, Taylor is one of my favorite oilers, but those drop passes, as I mentioned, is unacceptable. Hall also likes to pass cross ice when there were multiple sticks in between...he has to avoid those if he wanted to be selected for the next Olympic.

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#98 Dan 1919
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I agree with your overall article JW, I haven’t watched in weeks, and with a fresh view today, you realize this team is so far away from competing it’s genuinely sad. They have a few pretty good players and a team full of guys who will never win.

The team is a disaster, good luck MacT.

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#99 jake
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Remember that game when the goalie saved 59 shots in a shut-out? That was awesome.

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#100 Ivan Drago
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Otis Winchester the third wrote:

this makes allot of sense today............... We have a roster full of bonafide shooters ,it is the system that dictates who is and isnt a shooter,nothing else.Not the player or his abilitys. If the Oilers play the NewAge Hockey System or a variant this year we will see 45 shots per game over 82 games. The NewAge System spreads offensive accountability 100% across the board like no other system being played in the NHL today.The offensive shot decisions are ALL system dictated and the shot choices are also SYSTEM dictated,many responsibilitys are removed from the players focus,and his game speed is drasticly improved as is his execution of system requirements. If a player like Nail,who I have watched a lot of video on,is allowed to contribute to a system like the NewAge System his speed and instincts will if he works hard enough put him in CONSTANT position systemwise to be releaseing his shot,premier shot positions on a consistant basis.With this system and the Oilers talent it will literally be a matter of who works hardest gets the most goals,the opponent will have virtually nothing to say or do about this outcome,the system is THAT offensive and superior to the "hybrid system"being played by most NHL teams. I recognised the finish but we have at least three guys in that league,with a d-man who looks like a sniper as well in Schultz. Yakupovs sucess will depend on the system the coach chooses to use him in if he makes the team out of camp as we all seem to expect. I created the NewAge Hockey System for the Oilers specificly and presented it to them on-line last year,I read Mr.Kruegers comments related to the type of offense we might see being similar to the PP of the 80s Oilers,welcome to my world,my system is absolutely and completely based off of the Oilers PP execution dureing the 80s,i have converted the core values of that PP to a superior 5 on 5 hyper-offensive system unlike any ever seen before.It is unique ,and it is mine.LA used it last year as did our farm team,the Oilers started to implement it with about 25 games to go and had steady sucess. I posted extensively about my system on the Oilers website over a two year period,in an attempt to have it recognised and implemented,I believe I accomplished that,and along the way LA through Jarret Stoll and co. piggybacked the data from the Oilers site and implemented it,and the farm team also implemented my system data effectively,both LA and the farm team attained the expected results,and the Oilers were righting the ship at the end of the year believe it or not,you could feel it. Players like Nail work so very hard every time they hit the ice that they need to play in a system that allows this extra effort to be immediatly rewarded and consistantly rewarded,they need a system that rewards extra effort and individual efforts that are aggressive and offensive for 60 complete minutes.A system that drains them of offensive energy,not one that stifles it ,not even for 5 mins of a game. If Nail is on the second line consistantly he will push for the team goals lead and walk away with the Calder hands down,possibly by a record margin of points if he stays healthy for 82 games,I believe Sam Gagner is a natural fit with Nails vision and insincts,and because Sam looks to be anchoring the 2nd line their unavoidable chemistry will rear its head through many multiple point games for the two of them,if we see this dynamic for 82 games I peg Yakupov within the NewAge System to score 35 plus goals,if he finds a home on the PP maybe 40---and the 2nd line will propel us into the playoffs with those multi-point games.Remember this is a system specific prediction.If we play a hybrid system like we did most of last year,I say he will be a 20ish goal guy no matter what icetime he gets.i appreciate nails skillset and shot ect. but I still firmly believe that offensive sucess is catalysed by system induced opportunitys---so with an average system he will perform above average for a rookie,with a superior system he will perform above average on the NHL level. Just make sure you remember to not blame Sammy for shooting a lot this year with nail on his line if we use the NewAge System,because the shots will be system dictated not dictated by anyones greed.And there should be 45 per game to go around,and i love the math when I see nails conversion ability,he will get four shots per game average,so it should be interesting. If we play a hybrid system he will get less shots per game by a large margin,I see Nail useing his onetimer on the PP a lot and getting most of his goals from there which is why i pegged him in the 20s,but in the NewAge System he will be generateing his goals off 5 on 5 situations as well as the PP and he will have a constant stream of system induced shooting opportunitys which is why I pegged him at possibly 40 goals. Yes,he is a finisher,yes he has an invisible release,and yes he can score from absolutely everywhere,and yes he will fit in here and have a lot of great young teachers to help him out,like a third born he will talk-walk-and score goals faster because of his slightly older siblings like Hall-Gagner-Nuge-Ebbs ect. But lets remember that he is walking into a room full of high picks with a serious skillset depth---this may be the toughest test he has ever had,and certainly tougher than the fellas before him,he has to compete with the full deck of cards with hemsky-Nuge-Hall-Ebbs-Gagner-Schultz-MPS ect.I dont see there being that much pressure or expectations put on him,we dont exactly need a savior these days with all the young studs we have. As with all our players,as the system goes so goes the players statistical seasons.We can already count on one thing,Nail will be ready to put in the hard work needed to be a system asset,and the system wont matter in that regard,the rest is still unwritten history,and anyone who wants to can pick up the pen and start writeing,they just need the desire---I see a lot of that in this young man.

This is a flipping joke right?

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