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Lowetide
February 11 2014 11:20PM

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Martin Marincin's rookie season is beyond expectations—and then some! How does Marincin's rookie season (so far) compare to Jeff Petry's? Is the big Slovak trending beyond what the college man did in 2010-11?

2010-11 DEFENSE (OILERS) QUALITY COMPETITION

2010 s qual comp

All of these graphs are from behind the net. This shows that Ryan Whitney, Jason Strudwick, Tom Gilbert and Ladislav Smid were facing the tough opponents. Petry? He's exactly where he should be, playing against softer foes.


2010-11 DEFENSE (OILERS) CORSI ON

2010 d corsi on

Petry zooms up the charts here, because (as we've discussed) he was playing against the soft parade.The 2010-11 team had about 20 rookie forwards (well, a lot) and not surprisingly the guys playing the tough opposition had a more difficult time. The one guy who doesn't show well in this graph set is Taylor Chorney, who played soft opps AND was outshot badly (this is all at 5x5).

35 games into his career, Petry looked like a keeper.

2013-14 DEFENSE (OILERS) QUALITY COMPETITION

2013 d qual comp

This is unusual, and in a big way. Marincin—partnered with Jeff Petry—is facing the toughest opponents so far this season. Now, there are some things to note: Marincin has played only 22 games (less than half the others) so the comparison isn't across the entire season. Second: The top four are all facing tougher opps, so the gap isn't quite as large 1-6 as it was in 2010-11.


2013-14 DEFENSE (OILERS) CORSI ON

2013 d corsi on

Huh. The veterans here (Nick Schultz, for one) are playing softer opponents and delivering subpar performance. Nick Schultz is on the ice most often at 5x5 with Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle—and that may be part of the problem (that line has had its own issues this season). Schultz certainly didn't have the same problem with the 1line a year ago.

Either way, Marincin is rhyming well with anyone who jumps over the boards with him.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

bona fide

By math and by eye, Martin Marincin is bona fide. The Oilers need 5 more. Stat!

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#1 MagicMan
February 12 2014, 06:59AM
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I'm amazed how well Marincin has been able to do, considering he's been playing with that boat anchor Jeff Petry almost the whole time he's been stuck in this mess. Advanced stats don't tell the whole story, but according to guys like Willis, petry is the best d man on the team. I'll state right now that he's not. He's in Dubnyk territory right now. Remember how good all the advanced stats guys said Dubnyk would be if he had a good defense? Turned out pretty good, right? This is a drunk rant, so I'll sum it up: Petry-terrible, Dubnyk: 1 save away from a good save.. Every game. Marincin: harsh reality that our best d man was #3 on the rookie depth charts last year. Petry: he plays like Denise Grebeshkov when the Oil thought he played good that one year. Except without the points to back it up

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#2 Baresnake
February 11 2014, 11:40PM
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Marincin is a Dapper-Dan man!!!

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#3 Westcoastoil
February 11 2014, 11:58PM
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@Westcoastoil

How about the Slovakian Stick!

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#4 Rama Lama
February 12 2014, 09:39AM
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Good positive article......needed that.

Now we know why banning donuts was a stupid idea by Eakins. I would feed this kid honey cruellers 24-7 until he put on a few pounds.

The kid is so skinny he has to run around in the shower to get wet! I hope he meets a weight lifter type over the summer.

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#5 Sal-Sational
February 12 2014, 11:02AM
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Here we go with OVER VALUING our players AGAIN!!! we should relax and see how he's doing this time NEXT YEAR.

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#6 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 12 2014, 10:12AM
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Europe has an integrated rail system called Euro Rail. Marincin is European and skinny as a rail. EuroRail!

The Slovakian Assassin! .......... Razor! Thin but Dangerous!

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#7 Oiler Al
February 12 2014, 08:18AM
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MagicMan wrote:

I'm amazed how well Marincin has been able to do, considering he's been playing with that boat anchor Jeff Petry almost the whole time he's been stuck in this mess. Advanced stats don't tell the whole story, but according to guys like Willis, petry is the best d man on the team. I'll state right now that he's not. He's in Dubnyk territory right now. Remember how good all the advanced stats guys said Dubnyk would be if he had a good defense? Turned out pretty good, right? This is a drunk rant, so I'll sum it up: Petry-terrible, Dubnyk: 1 save away from a good save.. Every game. Marincin: harsh reality that our best d man was #3 on the rookie depth charts last year. Petry: he plays like Denise Grebeshkov when the Oil thought he played good that one year. Except without the points to back it up

It's obvious you know sheet about hockey.

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#8 Tikkanese
February 12 2014, 12:22PM
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Until the Oilers get 3-4 Defensemen better than the current level of Petry, they will continue to be out of the playoffs. I'm not saying that Petry won't improve, hopefully he does.

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#9 Lofty
February 12 2014, 06:47AM
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BlueMile wrote:

Watching Marincin make calm, smart plays in his debut has been a revelation.

If Chara even slightly rubs off on him over the OLY break... I want this kid to make Riley Nash look like a fool for wanting a trade outta dodge!!

I doubt Nash regrets much. He's playing in the NHL on a team that's in the hunt for a playoff spot.

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#10 Todd
February 12 2014, 09:16AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

It's obvious you know sheet about hockey.

Well put, agree.

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#11 Taylor Gang
February 12 2014, 02:51PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

How about the Slovakian Stick!

I propped and trashed this.

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#12 bazmagoo
February 12 2014, 12:30AM
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Considering what a bust he's been since he was traded here and his salary, I'm often surprised there isn't more hate on the site for Nick Schultz. Definitely overpaid, underperforming, not overly physical, and can't move the puck all that well. Personally I can't wait until he's gone. Just my opinion. Go Marincin!

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#13 WhattaMike
February 12 2014, 11:49AM
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IMO, Marancin is not only having an excellent start to his career but he is also becoming the other big guy we (the Oilers)would need to pair up awesomely with Darnell Nurse....in the very near future.

I also very much like to point out that the Oilers now and/or should have...an excellent shot to next draft Eckblad. He then would be on the 1A defensive pairing with...say...Petry....also in the very very near future. Thats an far above excellent future type top 4 defence crew that the Oilers may have for the next five to sevcen years at the least.

Then they also have Gernat, Simpson, Davidson, Musil, etc, hopefully for the last two defencemen positions (fifth/sixth ans a seventh).. The Oil are definitely showing there's a new strong defensive depth right now.

As for Nelson and his crew coaching in OKC...they have been terrific these last three years with the many type players they had/get and/or then lose to injury trades or to the Oilers. For examples...Lander is getting way better, Pitlick is very much improving, the kids on defence are coming along. They should be promoted to the Oilers for next season with Smith and Buckberger being let go....even Acton as well. I do believe that Chabot should be dismissed as goaltender coach before too much damage to Bunz, Brossoit, Rimmer come...

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#14 Taylor Gang
February 12 2014, 12:12PM
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If Marincin is so good, why don't we throw him with J. Schultz and see what happens?

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#15 Lochenzo
February 12 2014, 12:45PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Until the Oilers get 3-4 Defensemen better than the current level of Petry, they will continue to be out of the playoffs. I'm not saying that Petry won't improve, hopefully he does.

Petry is a fine defenceman. If the Oil add a top Dman, then we can move everybody down a notch so that we are not asking guys to play beyond their ability or experience. That's the problem.

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#16 Westcoastoil
February 11 2014, 11:54PM
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We need to come up with a good name for him that will stick.

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#17 @Oilanderp
February 12 2014, 02:12AM
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Apparently the picture at the top is the only picture ever taken of Marincin. It is used in every single article about him that I have ever read. The problem seems to be that while there ARE other pictures of him, he can not been seen as they are taken side-on.

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#18 john
February 12 2014, 10:12AM
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If Nelson & Co. are indeed responsible for getting the most out of our prospects who display the adequate potential... and then said prospects end up trending downward once they get to the Big Show then I guess we know the reason(s) for this mess. Time will tell with Marincin, Oilers have plenty of time to miss use/miss handle him but he looks like stud material so far!

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#19 Shredder
February 12 2014, 11:21AM
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I think Nelson could be the next Oilers HC...if he can only do to the Oilers what he did with Marincin.

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#20 Taylor Gang
February 12 2014, 12:11PM
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Sal-Sational wrote:

Here we go with OVER VALUING our players AGAIN!!! we should relax and see how he's doing this time NEXT YEAR.

Chill spaz

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#21 Zarny
February 12 2014, 12:46PM
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@WhattaMike

Marincin and Nurse both play the left side so they won't be playing together.

Klefbom also plays the left side. Which is why 1-2 of those prospects should be moved for more mature D.

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#22 Oiler Al
February 12 2014, 12:54PM
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Like it or not, Petry is the Oilers best D-man! His game is far from perfect, but heres a young guy , who is really a 3-4 guy, playing No.1 and top minutes against the top players in the league.

He was a better player last year, not sure if its the system or playing too many minutes per game.

Only wish he played a tougher game , especially in front of the net.

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#23 OILERSORDEATH
February 12 2014, 01:29PM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

How about the Slovakian Stick!

Ha! my wife calls mine the Slovakian sasauge! uh wait... what are we talking about?

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#24 holyrustymetalbatman@hotmail.com
February 11 2014, 11:39PM
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Marincin is a Dapper-Dan Man!!!

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#25 BlueMile
February 12 2014, 01:51AM
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Watching Marincin make calm, smart plays in his debut has been a revelation.

If Chara even slightly rubs off on him over the OLY break... I want this kid to make Riley Nash look like a fool for wanting a trade outta dodge!!

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#26 hankthetank
February 12 2014, 05:45AM
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lol

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#27 HardBoiledOil
February 12 2014, 06:48AM
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Lofty wrote:

I doubt Nash regrets much. He's playing in the NHL on a team that's in the hunt for a playoff spot.

but secretly, i'll bet a good number of fans are hoping Nash falls flat on his face as an NHLer.

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#28 Truth
February 12 2014, 08:06AM
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Is it possible for Wanye to hook Marincin up with an all you can eat off-season supply of Oodle Noodle? Marincin would be a force if he was 30-40 pounds heavier and he played with a little more of an edge. I don't know if it's feasible for him to gain that much weight and not lose mobility, but a 6-4, 225 pound mobile defenceman that can actually play would be a sight for sore eyes in Edmonton.

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#29 WhattaMike
February 12 2014, 12:09PM
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To Shredder....Thanks for pointing that out but these top four young-uns...when paired better....make a great future for the Oilers defence. By the way, I am still not forgetting youngster Schultz either. I just see it as if the other top four do excellent together then he would be a valuable asset for trade or inputted somewhere into this group. Especially when now pricing out what Ference, Belov, Nick Schultz, Grebeshkov, Potter and then Larsen are being paid per year altogether.

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#30 Tikkanese
February 12 2014, 01:10PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Petry is a fine defenceman. If the Oil add a top Dman, then we can move everybody down a notch so that we are not asking guys to play beyond their ability or experience. That's the problem.

They need to add more than one top Dman to move "everybody" down a notch.

The current level of Petry is a 4-7 on most playoff teams. Unfortunately on the Oilers this year, he is their best, hence one of the biggest if not biggest reason of their current place in the standings. That is not Petry's fault, he is only as good as Petry can be.

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#31 mike
February 11 2014, 11:36PM
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excellent read

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#32 The Soup Fascist
February 12 2014, 07:12AM
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My recollection of Marincin in the WHL was a gifted offensive player who did not appear especially adept or interested in play in his own zone. Yet, what we see here appears to be almost the exact opposite - a defense first player who, in flashes, shows some offensive instincts. I am assuming those flashes will become a bit more common as he becomes more confident.

Do we give all the credit to Todd Nelson and his staff - other than Marincin's own desire and ability to learn - for his development? If he can do the same with Gernat who I think is a very similar type of player (maybe a bit more offensive upside but less defensively competent) and the other young D do we doff our collective chapeaus to the group in OKC?

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#33 j
February 12 2014, 08:16AM
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OEL is 190 lbs. Pietrangelo is 200. Marcy will be just fine at whatever weight he ends up at.

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#34 Joy S. Lee
February 12 2014, 09:37AM
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Marincin is definitely the real deal.

Makes you wonder what Todd Nelson and company at OKC can do with the rest of our high-end prospective D-men, for sure. Did Marincin get here on his own, or were the coaches in OKC important in the process? That's a question I'd like the answer to, though I suspect it's a combination of both.

I guess we'll know when we see Klefbom, Musil, Gernat, and the rest at training camp in the fall, huh? In the meantime, I'll be praying that the coaches in OKC are behind it, and we can just keep them coming...

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#35 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 12 2014, 09:40AM
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LT, as far as the 2014 stats go, you acknowledge that the numbers may be a little skewed by Marincins small sample size. Are they not also skewed by the fact that a much larger percentage of Marincin games were played with better goaltending behind him Scrivens/Bryz, whereas the rest of the teams numbers lag because the large majority of their games were played with Dubnyk/Bryz behind them?

Is the comparison skewed by the fact that the Oilers 2010 team was crap?

Are they also skewed by the fact that Marincin was not around for the first 25 games when a team with 8 new faces, a new coach, all learning a new system were still adjusting to their new environment?

Will be interesting to see Marincins numbers compared to Dmen on other teams this year. At any rate things are looking good and adds interest to watching Olympics!

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#36 NJ
February 12 2014, 10:30AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Are you saying this years team is good?

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#37 MagicMan
February 12 2014, 10:54AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

It's obvious you know sheet about hockey.

Yeah, you're likely right. I've just watched this sub-part product for too long, and have a hard time using the proper channels to vent my frustration. It usually just turns in to Petry-bashing nowadays. It's definitely awesome seeing a guy like Marincin doing well up here, it's been a long time since the oil have been able to develop a draft pick like that

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#38 Shredder
February 12 2014, 12:04PM
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I agree with whattamike except he's paired 2 lefties together and 2 righties together...mix that up and you're golden.

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#39 **
February 12 2014, 02:48PM
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Marincin paired with a capable top 3 veteran d man would be a huge upgrade on the blue line

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#40 Naky
February 12 2014, 03:36PM
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I'm not gonna lie. I'm kinda hoping all these articles on Marincin kind of pull back a bit. I feel like we're building up too much hype and pressure on a kid with 22 NHL games to his resume and the more the media upsells the kid, the more harsh people are going to be on him when he goes into a down swing - and a down swing is inevitable.

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#41 Ryan2
February 12 2014, 07:51PM
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The funniest part about all of these Marincin threads now is that the majority of the posters, along with an ON blogger or two, were willing to trade him over Klefbom, Davidson, Fedun, etc. earlier in the season. There were very few of us arguing against it......

That being said, the organization needs to be patient with the young d-men and let them develop. There is still plenty of time left on the Hall/Ebs/Nuge extensions, and I would rather see the team build up a deep pool of prospects on the back end. The Oilers are still two years away from being a playoff team (last year I was saying three). During this time, it is more important to continue to develop the draft picks/prospects so when it comes time to add a key veteran piece then they have the currency to do it.

FWIW, look at the Hawks vs. Penguins models in the salary cap era as to why it is important to have prospect depth. The Hawks have two Cups and a mini-dynasty/dynasty on their hands as they can plug in cheaper young talent around their core that are drafted/acquired and then developed. The Penguins, on the other hand, have arguably the top two offensive players in the game, but lack the solid and affordable depth players needed to be at the same level as the Hawks.

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#42 Don W
February 12 2014, 10:34PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

The funniest part about all of these Marincin threads now is that the majority of the posters, along with an ON blogger or two, were willing to trade him over Klefbom, Davidson, Fedun, etc. earlier in the season. There were very few of us arguing against it......

That being said, the organization needs to be patient with the young d-men and let them develop. There is still plenty of time left on the Hall/Ebs/Nuge extensions, and I would rather see the team build up a deep pool of prospects on the back end. The Oilers are still two years away from being a playoff team (last year I was saying three). During this time, it is more important to continue to develop the draft picks/prospects so when it comes time to add a key veteran piece then they have the currency to do it.

FWIW, look at the Hawks vs. Penguins models in the salary cap era as to why it is important to have prospect depth. The Hawks have two Cups and a mini-dynasty/dynasty on their hands as they can plug in cheaper young talent around their core that are drafted/acquired and then developed. The Penguins, on the other hand, have arguably the top two offensive players in the game, but lack the solid and affordable depth players needed to be at the same level as the Hawks.

I'm okay with trading anyone on this team if you get the right piece back. Its not that I think Marincin sucks, quite the opposite but Nurse and Klefbom are good prospects too, with a few second tier guys there as well. At some point I think they have to package some of these guys up to try to get a top pairing guy. I just can't think of a good team that goes with all young guys on the back end.

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#43 Ryan2
February 13 2014, 06:29PM
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Don W wrote:

I'm okay with trading anyone on this team if you get the right piece back. Its not that I think Marincin sucks, quite the opposite but Nurse and Klefbom are good prospects too, with a few second tier guys there as well. At some point I think they have to package some of these guys up to try to get a top pairing guy. I just can't think of a good team that goes with all young guys on the back end.

I have no problem trading assets either, but the team should have a better idea of a prospect's potential first. Right now, we do not know yet if Klefbom, Nurse or anyone else will even pan out. My guess is that Klefbom still needs another year in the AHL since he missed all of last season with his shoulder injury, and Nurse is likely two years away at best from being a solid defender. The Oilers do not need to rush any of the young guys - let them play a year or two (or even three) in the AHL to develop so that they are ready to step right in and contribute effectively.

As I said, the Oilers are still two years away from being a playoff team. Right now there are way too many issues with the lineup for one top pairing d-man to fix. They need to continue to build organizational depth so that when they are truly ready to be a contender in 3 to 5 years, IF all goes well, that they have the prospect currency to add the missing veteran pieces. The lack of a development system from the early through late 00s, plus weak drafting during the Prendergast era, left the cupboards bare. Trading the one advanced d-prospect they have, Marincin, plus other prospects and picks for a top pairing d-man will just set back the rebuild another 2-3 years.

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