HARD TARGET SEARCH: ERIK GUDBRANSON

Lowetide
February 13 2014 04:38PM


jason smith11

Let's face it. There's nothing wrong with Jeff Petry except he's not Jason Smith. The Edmonton Oiler fanbase likes their defensemen rough, tough, rugged and dirt mean.

The Oilers picked up Mark Fraser before the break, and he's certainly hardwired for the physical side of the game. Fraser's been an adventure defensively, but my long memory recalls Igor Ulanov looking so bad when he came over from Montreal in 2000. He was much better the following season, and maybe Fraser will show us more as time rolls along.

In 2000-01, Jason Smith's boxcars read 82, 5-15-20 +14 120pims. That's an ideal Edmonton Oiler defenseman—you show me that linescore in any Oiler season and I'll show you the winner of the fan favorite award. Seriously. It's always been that way, ever since the world began in Edmonton.

Smith's other numbers that season: He played 21:39 per night, scored once on the PP (a mistake, I'd bet) and on the penalty-kill. He was 6.03, 220 and had 10 major penalties, one misconduct and one game misconduct. The NHL website doesn't give the blocked shots and hits for that season, but he did record 151 hits and 176 blocks in 2005-06 when the NHL reported those kinds of things. Jason Smith was a lion, sweat buckets and bled gallons for the copper and blue.

they're real

REAL AND SPECTACULAR

Jason Smith was a helluva defenseman. We don't have Corsi stats dating back to the heart of his career, but even late in his time in the NHL the big man faced tough zone starts. His shot differential wasn't stellar, but a younger Smith would have pushed that river.

GREAT, WHERE CAN WE FIND ONE?
Erik Gudbranson


WHAT WILL IT COST?

I'm sure the price will be dear, but he's big, strong, tough, has attitude and experience. The Oilers have lost their swagger since the Smiths and Prongers left town, and a guy like Gudbranson can hold back the water while the skilled men like Hall push the river.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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I've always maintained that no one should have a problem with acquiring big, tough players—as long as they can play the game. Erik Gudbranson appears to be all of that and then some. And he's playing in the NHL. Back up the truck to the prospect bin and load it up until it's enough.

Hard target search: Erik Gudbranson. He might be the one.

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#1 BLAKPOO
February 13 2014, 04:47PM
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Yeah, would be nice.. but no way Florida moves this guy.

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#2 Rama Lama
February 13 2014, 04:59PM
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Do we need him with Darnell Nurse and possibly Aaron Ekblad just a year or so away?

It appears that Darnell Nurse and Eakblad will be making a case to make the team this fall. If even one of them makes the team along with Klefbom just maybe we have enough tougness on the back end.

Allan, do you think that Yaks gets us EG??

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#3 Sorensenator
February 13 2014, 05:00PM
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There is everything wrong with Jeff Petry, the Guy has rocks between his ears.

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#4 Lofty
February 13 2014, 05:08PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Do we need him with Darnell Nurse and possibly Aaron Ekblad just a year or so away?

It appears that Darnell Nurse and Eakblad will be making a case to make the team this fall. If even one of them makes the team along with Klefbom just maybe we have enough tougness on the back end.

Allan, do you think that Yaks gets us EG??

If the Oil put Nurse in the lineup before he's spent a year in the AHL, someone should be shot.

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#5 Rama Lama
February 13 2014, 05:13PM
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Lofty wrote:

If the Oil put Nurse in the lineup before he's spent a year in the AHL, someone should be shot.

I would have to agree with you........but all the experts are saying that Ekblad is ready to step in to the league right away.

Apparently he has the size and hickey IQ to operate at the NHL level. On NUrse he looked very good last year, so spending some time AHL for at least 30 games should tell us if he is ready.

In any case if they are NOT ready then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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#6 Lofty
February 13 2014, 05:36PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I would have to agree with you........but all the experts are saying that Ekblad is ready to step in to the league right away.

Apparently he has the size and hickey IQ to operate at the NHL level. On NUrse he looked very good last year, so spending some time AHL for at least 30 games should tell us if he is ready.

In any case if they are NOT ready then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

The old expression "anything worth doing, is worth doing right" rings a bell.

Rushing a Dman is much more dangerous than rushing a forward.

Nobody can expect someone who's 19 to play with grit, truculence, edge... whatever, when they're backed by huggers and playing against old man strength. Do everyone a favor afford Nurse a step rather than a jump in his progression.

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#7 John
February 13 2014, 05:54PM
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I am not a big fan of picking up Gudbranson for what i think it would cost, very over-hyped player IMO. He is still young and might turn out to be great, but he has played mostly sheltered minutes and is a bottom pairing D in Florida. Less than 18 min a night. Unless we can get him for a few D prospects (not named Nurse) like you suggested, Pass.

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#8 BLAKPOO
February 13 2014, 06:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I would have to agree with you........but all the experts are saying that Ekblad is ready to step in to the league right away.

Apparently he has the size and hickey IQ to operate at the NHL level. On NUrse he looked very good last year, so spending some time AHL for at least 30 games should tell us if he is ready.

In any case if they are NOT ready then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

We should maybe keep Ekblad out of the conversation right now, as he's not even remotely affiliated with the Oilers. Still a lot of games left, and assuming the stars align and he ends up on the Oil would be a mistake.

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#9 a lg dubl dubl
February 13 2014, 06:35PM
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would Simpson and next years 2nd be enough for Gudbranson? hell Id throw Petry in there just to sweetin the pot a bit.

I just would like to see Petry move along, to much Poti in his game.

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#10 westcoastoil
February 13 2014, 06:48PM
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Perhaps you could build a package around Gagner + for Gudbranson and Shore

BTW did anyone else know that Scott Gomez was playing in FLA? Wow!

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#11 Acumen
February 13 2014, 06:57PM
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The most Smith-like character currently on the market (maybe even currently in the league) is Girardi for me.

Free agent or no, it would be huge if we could bring him in and take the available months to try and brainwash him. That or just pay the man. He exemplifies a whole helluva lot of what we're missing on the back end.

I wonder if a package based around one of our non Nurse/Marincin/Klefa D-men does it. Would Simpson and a late pick be enough to secure him as a rental?

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#12 DSF
February 13 2014, 06:57PM
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westcoastoil wrote:

Perhaps you could build a package around Gagner + for Gudbranson and Shore

BTW did anyone else know that Scott Gomez was playing in FLA? Wow!

This is Florida's centre depth:

Barkov

Bjugstad

Matthias

Goc

Gomez

Shore

Howden

Why, exactly, would they be interested in Gagner?

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#13 CMG30
February 13 2014, 07:03PM
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I would be very hesitant to put Nurse in the lineup next year even if he has a spectacular 1st 9 games. He's only going to be 19 and defensemen take years to develop properly...

Spending another year in junior then time in the AHL will only help him -and the Oilers- in the long run.

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#14 gcw_rocks
February 13 2014, 07:16PM
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It certainly would be worth a conversation with Talon. The Panthers are weak on the wing.

I wonder if you could work a multi-player deal with Eberle as the centrepeice paired maybe with Klefbom for Gudbranson and Bjugstad/Mattias?

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#15 gcw_rocks
February 13 2014, 07:17PM
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DSF wrote:

This is Florida's centre depth:

Barkov

Bjugstad

Matthias

Goc

Gomez

Shore

Howden

Why, exactly, would they be interested in Gagner?

Because their depth at wing sucks?

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#16 Spoils
February 13 2014, 07:22PM
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the word is drafting D is risky because it rarely turns out (which also makes rushing D prospects an even worse idea)...

but the counter nobody seems to talk about is that the value of a true #1 D (Pronger, Neidermeyer, Keith, Weber) makes it worth it.

I think D could be the reason Edmonton wins - in 2016ish, but given development time that won't include someone from the next draft

THUS - I would try to shop a 2014/2015 pick and one of our small skilled forwards for #1D.

The question is what will it take.

Would Nashville part with Seth Jones for Eberle and our #1 overall?

is that too rich?

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#17 Bob Cob
February 13 2014, 07:23PM
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Your blogs are a waste of time, you obviously don't use your brain when writting them, and the 3.5 seconds of time it took to read it are seconds I can never get back. Thanks!!

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#18 BeerLeagueBackup
February 13 2014, 07:31PM
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I miss Gator but don't think Gudbranson could fill that need. Although I do wish they had pulled a trade that draft year for him. Really the Oil needed to draft D early on in the rebuild. Although it's very hard to pass on any of the 1st overalls they've made. Gag we and Hemsky need to go but it will be for project players. Ex. Zadorov out of Buffalo. But doubt Sabres would bite

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#19 DSF
February 13 2014, 07:34PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

Because their depth at wing sucks?

Yeah, I'm sure they're looking for a 5'10" smurf who can't win a puck battle on the wall and has a toxic $4.8M contract.

Players like that are hard to find.😀

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#20 Walter Sobchak
February 13 2014, 07:35PM
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This is where Peron makes sense as the centre piece of a trade like this.

I've long been a Grudbranson fan and was a vocal supporter of Quicksilvers plan to trade up to up to draft him as well.

I honestly think a Peron and a Klefbom could get you Grudbranson, or at the very least start the conversation. It might take a Peron + Nurse if your willing to give up tomorrow for today.

I make the trade.

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#21 Striker
February 13 2014, 07:40PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

Your blogs are a waste of time, you obviously don't use your brain when writting them, and the 3.5 seconds of time it took to read it are seconds I can never get back. Thanks!!

The few seconds it took me to read your completely useless comment and write this response will be time I will always regret not using more wisely.

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#22 DSF
February 13 2014, 07:43PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

Your blogs are a waste of time, you obviously don't use your brain when writting them, and the 3.5 seconds of time it took to read it are seconds I can never get back. Thanks!!

You should ask for a refund.

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#23 DSF
February 13 2014, 07:46PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This is where Peron makes sense as the centre piece of a trade like this.

I've long been a Grudbranson fan and was a vocal supporter of Quicksilvers plan to trade up to up to draft him as well.

I honestly think a Peron and a Klefbom could get you Grudbranson, or at the very least start the conversation. It might take a Peron + Nurse if your willing to give up tomorrow for today.

I make the trade.

That makes so much sense.

Although with Kulikov hitting RFA status, he might be more available.

Would you do that trade?

The interesting thing about a a Perron for Kulikov trade would be sweet justice for those of us who wanted the Oiler to draft Kulikov not Paajarvi.

Paajarvi for Perron for Kulikov would be a hoot.

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#24 flyfish1168
February 13 2014, 07:47PM
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Dale Tallon is a smart hockey man. If you look at the roster he has assembled they will be contending soon. I don't believe he would send Gudbranson to us without us giving away one or two of our untouchables. Talon built the Hawks the right way and he is doing it in Florida.

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#25 The Last Big Bear
February 13 2014, 07:50PM
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Spoils wrote:

the word is drafting D is risky because it rarely turns out (which also makes rushing D prospects an even worse idea)...

but the counter nobody seems to talk about is that the value of a true #1 D (Pronger, Neidermeyer, Keith, Weber) makes it worth it.

I think D could be the reason Edmonton wins - in 2016ish, but given development time that won't include someone from the next draft

THUS - I would try to shop a 2014/2015 pick and one of our small skilled forwards for #1D.

The question is what will it take.

Would Nashville part with Seth Jones for Eberle and our #1 overall?

is that too rich?

Now you're cooking with gas.

Eberle and this year's first might not get you Jones, but that kind of package will likely get you some serious discussion about a first-pairing guy from some team I'm sure.

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#26 hemi
February 13 2014, 07:50PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

Your blogs are a waste of time, you obviously don't use your brain when writting them, and the 3.5 seconds of time it took to read it are seconds I can never get back. Thanks!!

Be gone Bob or is that BOOB?

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#27 DSF
February 13 2014, 07:53PM
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flyfish1168 wrote:

Dale Tallon is a smart hockey man. If you look at the roster he has assembled they will be contending soon. I don't believe he would send Gudbranson to us without us giving away one or two of our untouchables. Talon built the Hawks the right way and he is doing it in Florida.

The Panthers also have a new owner who is willing to spend to the cap to build a winner.

Up until now, Tallon has been working with the lowest budget in the NHL.

That's about to change.

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#28 billythebullet
February 13 2014, 07:54PM
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I think I want the guy gudbranson was fighting(z.smith) more then gudbranson. Perfect 4th liner, and mact is good at trading for those. Is it legal to clone j.smith? Man I miss watching him deliver the forearm shiver to opposing forwards.

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#29 DSF
February 13 2014, 07:57PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Now you're cooking with gas.

Eberle and this year's first might not get you Jones, but that kind of package will likely get you some serious discussion about a first-pairing guy from some team I'm sure.

It might get you Roman Josi who playing top pairing minutes in Nashville.

He would immediately be the Oilers best defenseman.

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#30 The Last Big Bear
February 13 2014, 08:03PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This is where Peron makes sense as the centre piece of a trade like this.

I've long been a Grudbranson fan and was a vocal supporter of Quicksilvers plan to trade up to up to draft him as well.

I honestly think a Peron and a Klefbom could get you Grudbranson, or at the very least start the conversation. It might take a Peron + Nurse if your willing to give up tomorrow for today.

I make the trade.

The Oilers need more Perron, not less.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Oilers need to do whatever it takes to get a first-pairing defender, but their top-6 is also pathetically short of grit, physicality, and back checking. Perron is the only guy in the top-6 that brings those things most nights, and is one of the last guys that should be moved.

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#31 DSF
February 13 2014, 08:08PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

The Oilers need more Perron, not less.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Oilers need to do whatever it takes to get a first-pairing defender, but their top-6 is also pathetically short of grit, physicality, and back checking. Perron is the only guy in the top-6 that brings those things most nights, and is one of the last guys that should be moved.

Then you choices are Eberle or Yakupov.

Pick your poison.

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#32 DSF
February 13 2014, 08:10PM
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billythebullet wrote:

I think I want the guy gudbranson was fighting(z.smith) more then gudbranson. Perfect 4th liner, and mact is good at trading for those. Is it legal to clone j.smith? Man I miss watching him deliver the forearm shiver to opposing forwards.

Zack Smith is a younger Boyd Gordon.

The Oilers already have a Boyd Gordon.

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#33 flyfish1168
February 13 2014, 08:16PM
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DSF wrote:

The Panthers also have a new owner who is willing to spend to the cap to build a winner.

Up until now, Tallon has been working with the lowest budget in the NHL.

That's about to change.

If I was a free agent, Miami would be very difficult to turn down. Just comparing lineup, management and then the city, MacT would have a difficult task if the player had to choice to go to Florida.

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#34 DSF
February 13 2014, 08:22PM
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flyfish1168 wrote:

If I was a free agent, Miami would be very difficult to turn down. Just comparing lineup, management and then the city, MacT would have a difficult task if the player had to choice to go to Florida.

Florida also has no state income tax so playing there also adds a significant percentage to a players contract.

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#35 Zarny
February 13 2014, 08:59PM
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DSF wrote:

This is Florida's centre depth:

Barkov

Bjugstad

Matthias

Goc

Gomez

Shore

Howden

Why, exactly, would they be interested in Gagner?

Probably because to date no one on your list has ever reached 40 pts let alone 5 times.

If I had to guess.

Edit: Ha...except Gomez. He was pretty good a decade ago.

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#36 **
February 13 2014, 09:02PM
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@DSF

Both Kulikov and Gudbranson are rfa's at season's end. BEtween Jovanovski and campbell the panthers are stuck with over 11 million in just 2 d men. The rest of their d is going to be in need of either a new contract or replacement, so will their goaltenders.

Mac. T should try and find a way to twist the knife there and get at least one of Kulikov and Gubradson. It might not even end up costing as much as we think.

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#37 Zarny
February 13 2014, 09:13PM
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Gudbranson was a healthy scratch for 3 games in a row so he's probably available. 7 pts and his Corsi numbers are slightly better than Belov's. His trajectory is not top-pairing right now but he's certainly plays the type of physical game the Oilers need.

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#38 DSF
February 13 2014, 09:15PM
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Zarny wrote:

Probably because to date no one on your list has ever reached 40 pts let alone 5 times.

If I had to guess.

Edit: Ha...except Gomez. He was pretty good a decade ago.

Oh golly.

40 points while being gifted first line minutes and primo PP time?

No, no they haven't.

But I would imagine Barkov, the youngest player in the NHL, and Bjugstad will have 40 points as a floor not a ceiling.

Oh, BTW, Barkov is already 6'3" 210, still growing, and is playing in the Olympics.

Bjugstad is just a slip of a boy at 6'6" 215 and, at 21, I doubt he has peaked.

Unless you think Snowpants can supplant 6"4" 220 Shawn Matthias as the Panthers future 3rd line centre, I doubt Tallon will have much interest in a smurf who can't win a puck battle or a face-off.

If I had to guess.

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#39 DSF
February 13 2014, 09:17PM
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** wrote:

Both Kulikov and Gudbranson are rfa's at season's end. BEtween Jovanovski and campbell the panthers are stuck with over 11 million in just 2 d men. The rest of their d is going to be in need of either a new contract or replacement, so will their goaltenders.

Mac. T should try and find a way to twist the knife there and get at least one of Kulikov and Gubradson. It might not even end up costing as much as we think.

Tallon is going into the offseason with almost $38M in free cap space.

I think he's pretty much immune from knife twisting.

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#40 The Last Big Bear
February 13 2014, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Then you choices are Eberle or Yakupov.

Pick your poison.

What poison are you talking about? The surplus of soft, offence-only forwards, paired with the worst defence in the entire league, is everything that is wrong with this team. Trading either of those guys for a serious defender is not "picking your poison", it is a golden opportunity.

Yakupov is a teenager with a crappy attitude, who just demanded a trade/threatened to go back to Russia before playing one full NHL season, while posting the worst +/- of any player in the entire league (and deserving it), despite routinely being benched by a 29th place team that needs all the help they can get.

I'm fully convinced Yakupov will become a high-end scorer some day, but he is basically the poster child for everything that's wrong with the Oilers right now.

The Oilers would be better off choosing to keep Eberle over Yakupov, but If Eberle is what another team demands in return for a top pairing guy, then Oilers fans should be lining up to help him pack his bags.

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#41 Batfink
February 13 2014, 09:31PM
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DSF wrote:

It might get you Roman Josi who playing top pairing minutes in Nashville.

He would immediately be the Oilers best defenseman.

Josi, the guy that's -10 playing with Weber? Marincin has played half the games he has this season and is +4. He would have to tank as only an oiler can to become Josi. Imagine Marincin with Weber? No, he wouldn't be our best d-man. He would be exposed worse than he already has been playing with one of the games best defensemen on a historically sound defensive team.

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#42 sec206
February 13 2014, 09:44PM
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the thought that the panthers spending to any cap is laughable, relocate this waste of a franchise already.

http://panthers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=95481

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#43 sizedoesmatter
February 13 2014, 10:03PM
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DSF wrote:

This is Florida's centre depth:

Barkov

Bjugstad

Matthias

Goc

Gomez

Shore

Howden

Why, exactly, would they be interested in Gagner?

I think you answered your own question Gagner is an 50-60 point player when healthy

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#44 THRNHJE
February 13 2014, 10:04PM
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@DSF

I would give up Eberle straight up for Josi, considering we are likely top 3 that 1st is a bit steep, even for the beast that is Josi.

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#45 Oilcan
February 13 2014, 10:06PM
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It will be funny to hear all the complaining from people about how good petry is on another team if he gets traded. Actually have an NHL caliber defense and pair him with someone who knows what they are doing on the second pairing and I bet he is great. Boyd Gordan is great but if he had to be the #1 center I bet he would be public enemy number 1. Point being you can't fault a player for a poor roster.

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#46 **
February 13 2014, 10:34PM
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DSF wrote:

Tallon is going into the offseason with almost $38M in free cap space.

I think he's pretty much immune from knife twisting.

Florida has to re sign or replace 13 players in total. Tallon is going to have around 43 mill (bonuses excluded) to sign them all. Gubradson will want more than his current 3.2 and so will Kulikov at 2.5 Not a crunch, but not a walk in the park either.

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#47 **
February 13 2014, 10:35PM
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Oilcan wrote:

It will be funny to hear all the complaining from people about how good petry is on another team if he gets traded. Actually have an NHL caliber defense and pair him with someone who knows what they are doing on the second pairing and I bet he is great. Boyd Gordan is great but if he had to be the #1 center I bet he would be public enemy number 1. Point being you can't fault a player for a poor roster.

Yeah just like people are complaining about how good Dubnky is on another team, or how good Paajarvi is being on another more defensively responsible team. Oh wait.....

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#48 **
February 13 2014, 10:37PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

I think you answered your own question Gagner is an 50-60 point player when healthy

Except Gagner, in 7 seasons, has never been a 50 point guy, let alone 60. So, there's that.

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#49 **
February 13 2014, 10:41PM
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Batfink wrote:

Josi, the guy that's -10 playing with Weber? Marincin has played half the games he has this season and is +4. He would have to tank as only an oiler can to become Josi. Imagine Marincin with Weber? No, he wouldn't be our best d-man. He would be exposed worse than he already has been playing with one of the games best defensemen on a historically sound defensive team.

Weber is also -10, does that make him suck?

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#50 **
February 13 2014, 10:48PM
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Zarny wrote:

Gudbranson was a healthy scratch for 3 games in a row so he's probably available. 7 pts and his Corsi numbers are slightly better than Belov's. His trajectory is not top-pairing right now but he's certainly plays the type of physical game the Oilers need.

Gudbranson is only 22, in only his third pro season (never played in the minors, except for 2 games). He's a 3rd overall selection.

Way too soon to be saying he won't be top pairing right now. HE;s a defensive d man, something the Oilers desperately need. Corsi is not a good stat, specially for a dman.

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