WHAT IF THEY RE-SIGNED HEMSKY?

Lowetide
February 16 2014 07:15PM

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Crazy thought. NEVER HAPPEN! And yet.....if a team has possession of a player's contract and that player's value is greater to said team than what is being offered in trade? What then? What DO you do?

Ales Hemsky is a different player than he was in 2005-06. The Oilers have their new Jacks and Kings for the feature jobs and a $5M per year contract for 83 is in the rear-view mirror.

So what?

Hemsky isn't 90 years old, he's got plenty of track left in him. The man has endured the bad times in Edmonton, why not hang around for the good days? If the Edmonton Oilers and Craig MacTavish are looking for useful NHL players to fit around their dream skilled men, why not Ales?

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This is from Extra Skater, and indicates Hemsky's 5x5 Corsi for is above average on the Oilers this season. The offense is hovering around .5 points per game and he's been playing most with Boyd Gordon, Sam Gagner and Ryan Smyth.

He's scoring well considering where he's batting in the lineup.

HE'S NOT PHYSICAL

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The Oilers are no doubt going to add some more Hendricks and Fraser's, but that doesn't mean they'll carry only size and physicality in the bottom six. Besides, if someone gets hurt among Hall, Yakupov, Eberle and Perron then 83 can slide up the depth chart with aplomb.

HE'S SOFT!

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Actually, he isn't. Hemsky isn't going to run over people, but he drives to the hard areas with the puck and doesn't back away from physical contact. It isn't his game, which is why the Oilers need to add more Grier's and Moreau's. Todd Marchant roamed happily between those two for years.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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The Oilers can't afford to get 50 cents on the dollar in trade and they can't afford to keep sending away actual NHL players for futures. Their cup does not runneth over with qualified NHL veterans.

Signing Ales Hemsky may well be the smart move here.

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#51 Ca$h-Money!
February 17 2014, 07:24AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Perron Statsny Eberle

Hall Hopkins Yakupov

Kulemin Gordon Michalek

Hendricks Boyle Glass

Robidas Hainsey

Shultz Diaz

Petry Marincin

Halak Scrivens

Let Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom develop in the AHL properly. Let Petry and Marincin play easy minutes.

Are you under the impression no other team gets to sign free agents? You actually think we can sign 9 guys to reasonable contracts on July 1 (the majority of these guys will sign within the first couple of days).

Seriously, do you actually believe this? Because that's insane.

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#52 Rdubb
February 17 2014, 07:26AM
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Hemsky wants what Horc got, A NEW START on a NEW TEAM, period. Not to mention, it kind of seemed like you contradicted yourself in your remarks, the Oilers need size and physical play along with size, but why not sign Hemsky? Yes, Hemmer goes to the hard areas and takes a ton of hits, always has and I am guessing always will, but just because you take a ton of hits doesn't mean one is physical, I think it just means that he is brave, and NUTTS because he isn't physical...but good on him for playing like that. It is my opinion that Hemsky won't sign for 3rd line money, especially in Edmonton. His NHL years are coming to an end due to his play, and I am guessing he wants to win, not play on a building team. I think by the time this team becomes consistently good (if they even do in the next 4-6 years), Hemsky's career will be over, so as a Player, why hang around? There are only a few reasons to; a) you love the organization and the guys you play with b) you love the city c) your wife family is from there d) you kids are settled and entrenched in school in said city e) you grew up cheering for said team f) you are from said city... from what I understand, none of the above pertain to Hemsky... Just my thoughts Peck

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#53 Rdubb
February 17 2014, 07:34AM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

Are you under the impression no other team gets to sign free agents? You actually think we can sign 9 guys to reasonable contracts on July 1 (the majority of these guys will sign within the first couple of days).

Seriously, do you actually believe this? Because that's insane.

I think you forgot to add Gagner and Petry for Yandle, so he'd be on our top pairing. Then since STL traded for Miller, we could trade Hemsky for Halak. Then, since BUF traded Miller we could trade them Bryz, N.Schultz & Gernat for Stafford and Ott. So, with Edmonton making those deals @ or before the deadline and into the summer, your line-up would be drastically changed. Come on, I think my scenario has a better chance of happening over yours... In all honesty, I think MacT & Oiler fans would be happy if we could sign 2 of the 9 you have listed.

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#54 Dan
February 17 2014, 07:36AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'll keep saying this, but if you sign Hemsky on the cheap it affords the Oilers to move Peron without sacrificing much.

We all know what Hemsky is capable of, and at 29 still has years ahead of him.

Perons trade value is at an all time high, personally I think Hemsky would be more inclined to re-sign where Peron is least likely to resign.

Perron still has 2 more years at 3.8 million. So to think about keeping Hemsky and trading Perron is backwards. For once we have a player that is over achieving for his pay and now we better trade him. You must be Kevin Lowes backroom consultant.

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#55 DoubleJ
February 17 2014, 07:37AM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

If you are comparing Hemsky to Kessel (one if the top scoring wingers in the league the last few years) then that's on you. You made that comparison no one else did. And if you're evaluating Oly points as the determinative measure of a player then your also saying Hemsky = Crosby. In which case "good grief".

Hemsky has one assist. If average points for a 5 million dollar player in the Olympics is 1 point. I think were all doing bad math. Everyone is going to bring up other players doing just as bad. That's not the point. Hemsky needs a new home. Period. Lets sign a guy who plays 50% of the games healthy. And plays 10 % hurt and ineffective.(Most of the old timers on here call him a warrior for playing hurt and ineffective) and is IR for the rest of the games. I swear he's teaching Eberle all his bad habits.

Time to move on.

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#56 Fresh Mess
February 17 2014, 08:21AM
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LT, there are other hockey players in the world to obsess over other than recent Edmonton Oilers. Time to let it go and move on.

IF Hemsky were willing to sign for $2,250,000 x 2 years then maybe, but why would Hemsky give up UFA status for that kind of contract? and how does retaining him fix the current losing mix of players?

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#57 Fresh Mess
February 17 2014, 08:44AM
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Gret99zky wrote:

Oh ya.

Let's sign Hemmer, Smyth, N.Schultz, etc.

Sign them all.

Then expect different results.

Because Oiler Fans.

Don't you understand, the beliebers here at ON 'see something' in the oiler players that the rest of the hockey world can't see. These true fans argued vehemently that the recent contracts given to Hemmer and Gags were good asset managment. How can you argue with those results? You must not be a true fan.

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#58 billythebullet
February 17 2014, 09:19AM
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I was a huge believer in hemmer all along. Sadly, I think its time to move on. Finding a 3rd line winger for him in a trade should be achievable.

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#59 TKB2677
February 17 2014, 09:20AM
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Lowtide You say the Oilers can't afford to get 50 cents on the dollar. I am curious as you what exactly do you think Hemsky is truly worth?

Here's the stats on Hemsky 5 seasons including this year. 09-10 - 22GP 7G 22pts 10-11 - 47GP 14G 42pts 11-12 - 69GP 10G 36pts 12-13 - 38GP 9G 20pts 13-14 - 52GP 7G 24pts

Not exactly stats to get all excited about. This season he's now playing in a 3rd line role with PP time. I'm an Oilers fan, I bleed copper and blue like you. I have always thought that Hemsky skill wise when he wants to play is up near the top in the league. The guys CAN be crazy good. But he doesn't always bring it every night. He's practice habits or lack there of are pretty well know. Injuries haven't helped him over the years. He's on a bad hockey team but one thing I have been disappointed in is when healthy, he isn't that talented guy on a bad hockey team that rings up points. Example would be Oli Jokinen in the Panther. He was the one super talented guy on their team that put up 80-90 pt seasons. Everyone was like "imagine what he could do on a good team". Then he gets traded to a better team and suddenly, he isn't that great. Where's Hemsky's big totals? Everyone used to be "he's got no one to play with". So they are crappy, draft some very good players. Logic says that Hemsky's totals should go up because he has guys around him that actually have talent. Yet they don't. He's making 5 million this season, so his salary could be a problem for some teams.

He is a UFA so that's good. He does have talent so that is good. He is a vet so that is good. I have no doubt that he could help a playoff team and would probably be rejuvenated on a playoff team and do very well.

But honestly, what is he really worth? When you factor in 5 mill salary, plus years and years of injury/under performing seasons. What GM is going to back up the truck to give "full value" to the Oilers?

The whole resigning thing you mentioned I think is nuts. I agree that you can't keep moving NHLers for picks or prospects but at the same time if you keep bringing back the same vets from the same losing team year after year. How do you change the losing culture? How do the Oilers get bigger, meaner, more physical, harder to play against from lines 1-4 if they bring back the same guys? Changing out a could of 4th liners isn't going to do it. You have to open up roster spots to bring in new guys. How much of a pay cut is Hemsky truly going to take from the Oilers? He sure didn't take one from the last contract. 5 Mill a year for a guy coming off a 36 pt season in 69 games?? Even if he does agree to take a cut, is he going down to Boyd Gordon money for the Oilers? That's a HUGE cut. Is he willing to do that for a losing team, in a diminished role, when we said it last off season he was open to a change. Not a chance!!

IF the Oilers are EVER going to change their clearly not working forward group, at some point you have to cut the cord from a few of these guys. Even if it means they end up doing well on other teams. On the Oilers, they aren't working.

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#60 Woogie63
February 17 2014, 09:22AM
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Move on.

Time for new team chemistry.

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#61 thebiggestmanintheworld
February 17 2014, 09:26AM
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A lot of Oiler fans don't deserve Hemsky.

I hope he goes to a team where he can be appreciated for what he is....a good hockey player.

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#62 yulep
February 17 2014, 09:36AM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Don't you understand, the beliebers here at ON 'see something' in the oiler players that the rest of the hockey world can't see. These true fans argued vehemently that the recent contracts given to Hemmer and Gags were good asset managment. How can you argue with those results? You must not be a true fan.

These will also be the same fans irate with the infamous "Old Boys Club" who keep players in the organization for what the players have done in the past, the next time the Oilers lose two games in a row. It makes no sense to me.

Do you want/need to change the culture of a 29th place team or not? Does that only apply after the day after a loss, or does it take 3 or 4 losses in a row before a 29th place team needs to look at changing the makeup of it's supporting players?

Remember in October when so many people felt the Oilers were only two or three players away from being relevant. Not a contender, just relevant.(There's a lofty goal)

Remember in November how the Oilers were already virtually eliminated from the playoffs?

Remember last year,and the year before that, and the year before that when so many people wanted Hemsky traded because he was soft, didn't fit the team's need for size and grit and tended to "disappear" on many nights?

So tell me...aside from the realization that NOBODY in the league values Hemsky for more than a bag of pucks,why would anyone want to keep him on a roster that needs clearly needs change in size and character from it's supporting cast?

And ask yourself this. During the course of at least the last five seasons, have there been more times you cursed Hemsky for not shooting and disappearing from an entire game, or cheered him for his production and effort?

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#63 Chainsawz
February 17 2014, 10:03AM
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DSF wrote:

No. I'm suggesting Kessel is a RW that Hemsky might be compared to.

The Oilers bet on the wrong nag.

Again.

Hemsky has as many points as Perry.

Fun using a tiny sample size to make a point.

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#64 nuge2nail
February 17 2014, 10:07AM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

Are you under the impression no other team gets to sign free agents? You actually think we can sign 9 guys to reasonable contracts on July 1 (the majority of these guys will sign within the first couple of days).

Seriously, do you actually believe this? Because that's insane.

Oiler Domination To Follow

There's tons of players to choose from:

Ott, Callahan, Moulsen, Orpiks, Downie, Stempniak, Zidlicky, Girardi, Raymond, Jagr, Markhov, Vanek, Mitchell, Greene, Boyle, Meszaros, Nikitin available that can help the oilers.

34+ million(39+ after the Gagner trade).

Statsny at 7mil.

Michalek at 4mil.

Kulemin at 3mil.

B Boyle at 3mil.

Glass at 3mil.

Robidas at 5mil.

Hainsey at 4mil.

Diaz at 3mil.

Halak at 5mil.

Adds up to 37 million- overpaying for each player- but who cares. You can replace guys like Boyle and Glass with stemniaks, etc.

Just saying lots of cap space and lots of quality Ufa's out there this year.

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#65 flyfish1168
February 17 2014, 10:17AM
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If we were to trade Hemsky by trade deadline are we able to resign him for next season?

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#66 Fresh Mess
February 17 2014, 10:23AM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

A lot of Oiler fans don't deserve Hemsky.

I hope he goes to a team where he can be appreciated for what he is....a good hockey player.

Yes. A good hockey player who IF healthy and given top six minutes (big ifs) can be counted on to produce a whopping 10 goals and 40 points.

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#67 D-Unit
February 17 2014, 11:03AM
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flyfish1168 wrote:

If we were to trade Hemsky by trade deadline are we able to resign him for next season?

Yes.

The better question would be why would the Oilers want to.

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#68 ryan
February 17 2014, 11:17AM
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I agree 100 % we can't keep trading nhl players for nothing. I sign hemsky all day long at 3 million per season

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#69 gcw_rocks
February 17 2014, 11:22AM
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LT - Who do you think are the comparables for determining a fair contract?

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#70 admiralmark
February 17 2014, 12:15PM
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IF they can't get at least a 1st round pick, 2nd Pair Dman, or a solid 3rd Line player(and I mean solid). Then they should be looking to resign him.

Unlike Hemsky I expect Gagner to remain on the roster due to his horrendous play+ contract which will deter any decent trade offers. We should get comfortable with the idea of another painful season with Gagner at 2C. I'm sure they will hope he can raise his play to make him more appealing to other GM's. I guess his value can't get worse?

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#71 Walter Sobchak
February 17 2014, 12:18PM
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Dan wrote:

Perron still has 2 more years at 3.8 million. So to think about keeping Hemsky and trading Perron is backwards. For once we have a player that is over achieving for his pay and now we better trade him. You must be Kevin Lowes backroom consultant.

In two years where are you with Peron?

If you get something (for example) Gudbranson for the next 6 years how is that moving backwards?

Actually it's the Oilers inability to move players at there peak to actually get full value for that player.

Gagner is almost at an all time low, Hemsky is also at an all time low which makes trading him for prospects ridicules at this point.

Pay attention to the article!

The ONLY player worth anything on the Oilers IS Peron, you would be the first one to bitch when they have to move Eberle who is locked up for 6 years.

Congratulations, you move Eberle for need AND lose Peron under TWO years because you trade him at the dealine when he won't resign.

That is Kevin Lowe.

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#72 Prudham's
February 17 2014, 01:22PM
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@Ca$h-Money!

I agree with this article, and have thought so consistently for a long time.

He's a possession player too - compared to most bottom 6ers.

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#73 Fresh Mess
February 17 2014, 01:24PM
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admiralmark wrote:

IF they can't get at least a 1st round pick, 2nd Pair Dman, or a solid 3rd Line player(and I mean solid). Then they should be looking to resign him.

Unlike Hemsky I expect Gagner to remain on the roster due to his horrendous play+ contract which will deter any decent trade offers. We should get comfortable with the idea of another painful season with Gagner at 2C. I'm sure they will hope he can raise his play to make him more appealing to other GM's. I guess his value can't get worse?

The problem with that is if Gagner does raise his play the fangirls will stampede back onto his bandwagon and scream that he's untouchable. Look at the hysterical comments on here after the Oilers win two games in a row: "In MacT we trust!" ..."I think we are close to contending!"

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#74 GVBlackhawk
February 17 2014, 02:24PM
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DSF wrote:

No. I'm suggesting Kessel is a RW that Hemsky might be compared to.

The Oilers bet on the wrong nag.

Again.

I must have missed the draft that Hemsky and Kessel were both in. Oh, that's right they weren't.

Did they have the choice of drafting Kessel in 2001 as a 13 year old? And they passed it up? Damn Oilers scouts!

PS. If you think Hemsky is a comparable for Kessel, then please pass along whatever it is that you are smoking.

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#75 nuge2nail
February 17 2014, 03:23PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

What should the oilers spend their 39+ mil in cap space on next year?

We know the team needs a 1c-2c and defense.

Once they spend 15-20 million on that , there's still almost 15 left for the 3rd and 4th lines.

Its a lot of cap space- should be some discussion on who its best spent on.

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#76 Rick Stroppel
February 17 2014, 03:48PM
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DSF wrote:

How is he doing in the Olympics against the best players in the world?

YOU CAN JUDGE A PLAYER BASED ON THREE GAMES?

Hemsky is doing just about as well at the Olympics as Sidney Crosby, if points are the only thing you are looking at. Judging a player by three games is silly. Just like signing a journeyman player (Pisani) to a long and expensive contract because he looked good in a 24 game sample. Or deciding that your goalie problem is solved because someone has looked really good in six games.

BTW : Didn't MacTavish say about eight months ago that it was time for Hemsky to go? If he re-signs him, does this mean that MacTavish doesn't know what he is doing?

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#77 Chainsawz
February 17 2014, 04:54PM
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@Rick Stroppel

DSF's only talking points on Hemsky to date is how much he makes and Mason Raymond (and now Kessel for no reason whatsoever), both of which have no relation to his performance on the ice.

He's a creative player that isn't a terrible liability on the ice and is willing to pay the price to make a play. He's a "better than most" option in a shoutout. While he can play on the PP, he's not much use on a PK. He won't win a scoring race and is prone to turn overs in bad spots of the ice. I would love for him to be an Oiler for life and I can respect the opposite sentiment. Whatever money he can squeeze out of whatever team and how other RW's perform won't change the above.

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#78 2004Z06
February 18 2014, 10:25AM
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DSF wrote:

How is he doing in the Olympics against the best players in the world?

How's Sidney Crosby doing? Your point is?

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#79 Newj
February 18 2014, 12:23PM
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DSF wrote:

Well below average.

He has 1 assist in 3 GP.

Phil Kessel has 4 goals and 6 points in 3GP.

But better than these plugs:

Taveres; Sharp; Nash; Kunitz;

and equals the point production of:

Benn; Perry

Good grief

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#80 shanetrain
February 19 2014, 01:55PM
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The Oilers keep finishing in last and the bloggers/fans keep asking for the same players to be resigned.

You get what you deserve.

Hemsky could have fetched a No.2 Dman a handfull of years ago. Now? A second round pick?

But hold on, lets re-sign him.

Not a fan of the player or his style.

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#81 I3igI3ig
February 23 2014, 05:58PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Perron Statsny Eberle

Hall Hopkins Yakupov

Kulemin Gordon Michalek

Hendricks Boyle Glass

Robidas Hainsey

Shultz Diaz

Petry Marincin

Halak Scrivens

Let Ekblad, Nurse and Klefbom develop in the AHL properly. Let Petry and Marincin play easy minutes.

A part of me just died inside reading those defense pairings...

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