ARCOBELLO, OF OKLAHOMA TERRITORY

Lowetide
February 02 2014 12:12PM

Mark Arcobello was optioned to the AHL this weekend, and will play for the Barons this afternoon. Arcobello had a very nice first half of the season—mostly subbing in for Sam Gagner—but as the season wore on the undersized center played less often. Can he make it back?

The Arcobello story at the pro level goes back to Stockton of the ECHL. Signed as a college free agent (the Oilers liked the transaction so much they've purchased an ECHL team to make this type of signing part of their procurement operation) he's progressed steadily.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

Arcobello's bubble is a reasonable color and although he's technically in the less-sheltered quadrant he's also straddling the shutdown quadrant. I'd be tempted to call his opposition two-way, but the Oilers didn't see him as a 4line option. They currently employ Ryan Smyth (shutdown option) along with Ryan Jones and Matt Hendricks (less sheltered) on their 4line, along with the lone sheltered forward (Luke Gazdic) on the team. The Sledgehammers are available here.

This is his Extra Skater player card. The young man is having a fine year in the NHL, his CF% rel (Corsi for % relative to his teammates) shows he's outperforming Oiler average—and makes the decision curious based on math.

WHY DID THEY DO IT?

Once Sam Gagner returned (too soon) Arcobello sat for a time, and then got some brief action on the 4line. The Oilers under Dallas Eakins like to run a "heavy" 4th line and Ryan Smyth has been playing center there for some time. The club also uses Luke Gazdic and Matt Hendricks and Ryan Jones and Jesse Joensuu on those lines, and most of those forwards are more might than skill. Arcobello could probably center an effective line with Smyth and Jones, but the Oilers are going in another direction—small forwards have been losing this battle forever.

IS IT A GOOD IDEA?

This is ordinarily where I say "no" but there's a specific reason I'm changing my answer to "probably" and that reason is Luke Gazdic. The 4line enforcer is a typical Corsi performer for that player-type, but does offer a unique set of skills if he can put it all together. A heavy winger with speed and an edge can create havoc in the offensive zone (look at the Oilers against pretty much any Pacific division team). That has value.

  • Jonathan Willis: I’ve made no secret that I don’t think much of Luke Gazdic but if he could string together a few games like the one he had against Tampa Bay I would need to re-think that. It wasn’t just the goal, which was a nice deflection, and it wasn’t drawing a penalty from Eric Brewer (who for some reason wanted to take Gazdic’s head off). For me, the highlight was a nice scoring chance in the second period off a takeaway; we’ve seen precious few signs that Gazdic can be hard on the puck and that was exactly the kind of thing a guy with his combination of size and speed should be doing.

If Gazdic can make and take a pass, be responsible, draw penalties instead of create them, and score a few times a year? Yes, I think there's a use for him. It has to be said, though: this is a long shot.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Mark Arcobello may have a future in Edmonton—although headed for free agency the Oilers have plenty of time to sign him and he showed he can play in the NHL. Still, times are changing and it's likely Edmonton is heading in another direction.

Arcobello probably lost his NHL job before he got it. In the moments after Zach Kassian robbed Sam Gagner of the ability to chew, GM Craig MacTavish and coach Dallas Eakins clearly began a roster makeover at the bottom end. Arcobello's competition for top 6 playing time (small forwards) made it impossible for the new template to include a smaller player in the bottom 6.

This is your future Edmonton: more Gazdic, less Arco. Are you ready?

(Arcobello photo with Barons courtesy Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved)

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#1 verdad
February 02 2014, 01:09PM
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This is an outrage. Arcobello goes down , while the utterly useless Gagner plays. No greater reason why Eakins and MacTavish should be fired it is the continuing utilization of a player who consistently mskes the team worse, stretches out the rebuild and makes a joke of accountability. The above post shouldn't have been Arco's modest deficiencies but rather about why these incompetents keep playing Gagner? Why is Gagner never even benched?

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#2 Derian Hatcher
February 02 2014, 01:31PM
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How about we take a holiday from advanced stats for just a moment and consider the following question: How come smaller sized Brendan Gallagher consistently goes hard to the net, mixes it up, takes abuse and keeps going back for more?

To find the answer, you don't have to look up corsi, fenwick, height, weight, eye colour, place of birth, mothers maiden name…etc, etc, etc.

Anyone can see with their own eyes that this player has heart, courage, a supreme level of compete and above all, desire.

It s not rocket science. Who on the current Oiler roster demonstrates all of the above on a consistent basis….

More of the same game after painful game….sigh.

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#3 Curcro
February 02 2014, 01:56PM
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I think they should keep Arcobello.

Size needs to be put in perspective. Arcobello is 1 inch shorter than Ference, and 4 pounds lighter.

He is relatively small, but is there a place for him? Andrew Shaw on the Hawks, is their 3rd line Centre and he is the same height as Arcobello and 5 pounds lighter than Arcobello.

So one of the best teams in the league (in the western conference no less) has a 2nd line centre smaller than Arcobello.

Their 3rd line center is Marcus Kruger who is also lighter than Arcobello.

Their 5th centre is Brandon Pirri(27 G) currently 2 pounds lighter than Mark Arcobello.

So a player of Arcobello's size can certainly be a centre on a successful team.

I can't see just "letting him go" if he chooses to be a Group 6 UFA. Or throwing him to just get rid of him being a good idea.

Arcobello has relatively strong statistics both traditional and advanced in comparison to the rest of the team.

He leads the Oilers forwards in hits, he tries hard every shift.

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#4 MessyEH
February 02 2014, 02:17PM
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Gagner should be sent to the AHL. If we lose him on waivers... great!

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#7 **
February 02 2014, 02:46PM
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Barring a string of injuries, I don't think we'll ever see Arcobello in an Oilers uniform again. He is a smart guy, I doubt he would accept another 2 way deal if the Oilers even offer it. And the team is obviously not interested in his services full time in Edmonton.

Arcobello will sign with another team and have a nice career. He deserves it. Godspeed.

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#9 vetinari
February 02 2014, 02:39PM
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Arco's like a Swiss army knife and if you put him on a team like Boston, LA or Chicago, he could play up or down the lineup as needed. The problem with the Oilers is that they don't have any "heavy" wingers that can keep up with him and take opposing defencemen off of him.

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#10 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
February 02 2014, 01:23PM
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A Groundhog Day Haiku:

Kevin saw shadow.

Scurried back into his hole.

Six more weeks of suck.

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#11 Derian Hatcher
February 02 2014, 01:46PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Arcobello doesn't lack heart. He's a very good hockey player, and excellent at coverage plus hits people. Gallager is admittedly a different player type, but Arcobello's a brave guy based on visual evidence.

Totally agree LT it was not my intention to suggest Arco lacks heart, in fact quite the contrary is true- hence the phrase "on the current Oiler roster" The player who demonstrates the MOST heart was sent down…he can do NOTHING about his size and that's too bad. My point is, how sad is it that he showed the most fortitude consistently despite his size and the rest of the players seem OK with this (based on what they demonstrate in games anyway).

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#12 Jay
February 02 2014, 12:30PM
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The oilers are still playing?? I thought they gave up already

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#13 Spydyr
February 02 2014, 12:27PM
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No thanks to Acro. Yes please, to a complete #2 center.

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#14 Oilerz4life
February 02 2014, 03:11PM
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Curcro wrote:

I think they should keep Arcobello.

Size needs to be put in perspective. Arcobello is 1 inch shorter than Ference, and 4 pounds lighter.

He is relatively small, but is there a place for him? Andrew Shaw on the Hawks, is their 3rd line Centre and he is the same height as Arcobello and 5 pounds lighter than Arcobello.

So one of the best teams in the league (in the western conference no less) has a 2nd line centre smaller than Arcobello.

Their 3rd line center is Marcus Kruger who is also lighter than Arcobello.

Their 5th centre is Brandon Pirri(27 G) currently 2 pounds lighter than Mark Arcobello.

So a player of Arcobello's size can certainly be a centre on a successful team.

I can't see just "letting him go" if he chooses to be a Group 6 UFA. Or throwing him to just get rid of him being a good idea.

Arcobello has relatively strong statistics both traditional and advanced in comparison to the rest of the team.

He leads the Oilers forwards in hits, he tries hard every shift.

Everyone had me convinced to trade Arco until I read this comment. I tried to find a way to disagree with it but I can't. I feel Arco has proven he has what it takes. I honestly feel Mac T should trade Gagner for some Hendricks style grit and slide Arco into 2C. If it doesn't work out trade him. Either way I think Mac T is wily enough to pull off trades like that. More size plus Arco 2C. If it doesnt work out upgrade trade Arco for more size and grit still.

Either way the guy deserves a shot. He's got compete like Hall and I think he fits in with the group better than Gags. He's already rooming with Nuge anyway. Give the guy a shot. He deserves it. Everyone thought Fleury would be to small and the guy was a fireball pin ball. Thats exactly how I can see Arco fitting in. Maybe not the mad coke crazed maniac style, but like that. Stats shmats, some things just make sense and I think it makes sense to just go with the gut on that one. Until he proves otherwise I think its blatently obvious that Arco deserves the spot that Gags currently resides in. I think that's horribly apparent to everyone. Anyway, getting long winded. Anyway, just a thought (IMHO)

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#15 Oilcruzer
February 02 2014, 12:21PM
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SEAHAWKS!!!

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#16 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 02 2014, 01:16PM
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I've always thought Gordon looks like an older version of Arco. Not play-wise, just his facial features.

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#17 Mason Storm
February 02 2014, 12:26PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

SEAHAWKS!!!

LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!

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#18 S cottV
February 02 2014, 01:01PM
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Oilers desperately need more presence in the middle, particularly in their own end.

The d corps need more assistance shutting down low threats and clearing the zone with possession. Right now Oilers need to collapse their wingers too much to compensate, opening up the points too much in the process.

RNH needs more muscle mass.

Gagner is hopeless in this department.

Arco is just too small to get it done.

Have to get a 2C and I would play Hendricks in 4C.

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#19 ubermiguel
February 02 2014, 01:25PM
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Dump some of the other small players, keep Arco. Coming up from the college ranks via the ECHL shows he's got the compete and tenacity of a winner. Plus his education shows he's got some grey-matter between his ears. Give him the President of Hockey operations job, he'd probably do ok there.

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#20 Rick Stroppel
February 02 2014, 04:18PM
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DON'T GET MAD AT GAGNER

Lots of hate for Gagner on this thread. I did not get mad at Horcoff. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I did not get mad at Pisani. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I am not mad at Gagner. I am mad at MacTavish for signing him to a stupid contract, rendering him basically untradeable.

Gagner was obviously rushed back from injury. WHY? It has been obvious for months this team is not making the playoffs. Gagner's confidence is shot. His physical problems are leading to psychological problems. The JACKASSES who run this team should have recognized that and not brought him back until he was totally recovered.

This was done to support Eakins ego. Eakins can't stand the team doing as poorly as it is.

Gagner is yet another example of a player with potential being ruined by this organization. He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail.

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#21 Naky
February 02 2014, 12:52PM
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Arco's a good underdog and it's easy to see why people cheer for him. Sam had a really bad injury and I feel a combination of both the organization and Sam himself rushing him back to the lineup as soon as possible really hurt Sam's season and confidence. He was behind the 8 ball from the get-go and that's going to hurt even more when you've got a new coach preaching a new defensive style of game - and you're two months behind everyone else.

Arco did pretty well but as you say the organization's going in a different way because it has to. He was better than Sam this year and that led to a lot of people saying they should get rid of Sam and keep Arco. But even if you do this, you have the same problem: a number 2 center that lacks size and only puts up an okay amount of offence. It would take about one more season of Arco centering that second line before everyone would be saying to get rid of him too.

Maybe the Oilers can deal him and get something for him or maybe they feel they can convince him to stay but I have a feeling this is a player that will be moving on from the organization one way or another after this season.

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#22 HardBoiledOil
February 02 2014, 01:12PM
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Gazdick is yet another Oiler player who should be playing like he isn't. *sigh* I don't see a future long term here for Gazdick, Joensuu and Arco....I think they'll all be gone soon, along with Hemsky, Gagner, Jones, Lander and Nick Schultz.

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#23 Alsker
February 02 2014, 01:51PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Arcobello doesn't lack heart. He's a very good hockey player, and excellent at coverage plus hits people. Gallager is admittedly a different player type, but Arcobello's a brave guy based on visual evidence.

Which again leads to the question: Why isn't he in the line up and Gags is? Hope to gord they move him quickly, if we're stuck with him for the balance of his contract then that means 2 maybe 3 more lotto picks.

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#24 Spydyr
February 02 2014, 04:35PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

DON'T GET MAD AT GAGNER

Lots of hate for Gagner on this thread. I did not get mad at Horcoff. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I did not get mad at Pisani. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I am not mad at Gagner. I am mad at MacTavish for signing him to a stupid contract, rendering him basically untradeable.

Gagner was obviously rushed back from injury. WHY? It has been obvious for months this team is not making the playoffs. Gagner's confidence is shot. His physical problems are leading to psychological problems. The JACKASSES who run this team should have recognized that and not brought him back until he was totally recovered.

This was done to support Eakins ego. Eakins can't stand the team doing as poorly as it is.

Gagner is yet another example of a player with potential being ruined by this organization. He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail.

" He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail."

Guess he was put in a postilion to fail his whole NHL career then because he has.

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#25 Woogie63
February 02 2014, 12:33PM
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Wow there are a lot of stats to play with an swing a story.

Just a question .... Does any collector of stats measure....

Number of finshed checks as a percentage of possible chances to give a hit,

Number of minutes goal side of this check,

Number of minutes in 8 feet in front of his or their net,

Number of minutes played when the game is tied or one goal difference.

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#26 Oilcruzer
February 02 2014, 12:49PM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

I felt tired watching those women swing their arms around. Just like Prater will get tired kicking extra points. Go Broncos.

Aren't they the illegitimate children of Pete Townsend?

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#27 Cain
February 02 2014, 01:19PM
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Arco is a decent player who is small, and therefore redundant for our lineup. He should be able to bring something back in a trade,and would at least be valued as an add-on as part of a package deal I would think.

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#28 Drowning in Oil
February 02 2014, 02:22PM
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And meanwhile in Calgary...............

How far are they into their rebuild again?

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#29 Ed in Edmonton
February 02 2014, 04:01PM
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Folks please keep in mind that at 4.8 mill per year for 2 more year Gags is untradeable unless the Oil take back an equally disagreeable player and contract. I agree with one comment that if the Oil were to put Gagner on waivers he would clear.

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#30 michael
February 02 2014, 01:23PM
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MA is not an Edmonton Oiler next season. He is past his best before date. I like his skill set. But the reality is that the Pacific division is filled with Redwoods and very few Pine trees. His future? Europe. Where his skill is an asset and his size on the big ice is not a huge issue.

I see Lander bieng traded sooner than later also. The Oilers are moving towards more truculence and grit and less skill in the bottom six.

Tyler Pitlick is a guy the Oilers have ticketed for a bottom six positon. Can a guy like Moroz be far behind? The prospect that intrigues me is J,Khahari. His size and skill are just what this team needs. Where the team has him in their future will be interesting.

The pretrade deadline is approaching quickly. By that I mean the Olympic break begins in earnest next week on the 5th. Will we see preemptive strikes by GM"s going into the break.I think we will.

The Oilers are positioned to be sellers. And with the standing in the East so close I think there are currently only 5 teams who are sellers at this point.

With Gagner on the block the Oilers have a huge piece to sell. The Oilers UFA's will bring later round picks. For teams looking for scoring(LA)and complimentary players(Potter,Belov) the Oilers have a few they could and would dearly part with.

LA is in the toilet losing 8/9 and proving once again that they are not a team built for the season. Playoffs though that is different story. NJ? Gagner would he be a fit there.Cap space.

Is Columbus interested in a guy like Gagner. Or Florida?

I am looking forward to this week. Excited about the Buffalo game. The OLYs.And to see if Manning goes to Disneyland.

Go Bronco's

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#31 Dave3
February 02 2014, 09:42PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

THE SCAPEGOAT

Primitive people were very silly. When something bad happened, like a drought, and they did not understand why it happened, they wanted to DO SOMETHING, just to make themselves feel better. So they would make a human sacrifice.

A couple of months ago, fans (and many posters here) decided that Dubnyk was the sacrificial lamb. "Dubnyk starts tonight, we lose " "Dammit playing tonight" "Trade him for a used jockstrap" Etc. So they traded him...and the team continued to lose as badly as before.

So the primitive fans cast about for a new whipping boy....Gagner!

I appreciate that the post above was probably intended as a joke. However, if you really think that ANY of the Oilers MANY problems would be solved by sending Gagner to the minors, you are not very smart.

We were not wrong about Dubnyk and we are not wrong about Gagner. He should be traded but no one will take on his salary.

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#32 Reg Dunlop
February 02 2014, 12:42PM
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I felt tired watching those women swing their arms around. Just like Prater will get tired kicking extra points. Go Broncos.

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#33 **
February 02 2014, 08:44PM
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CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE

Spyder, as usual you have given this a lot of thought and you have convinced me. Gagner's whole career is a failure! His whole life is a failure! Waive him! Send him to the minors! Send the WHOLE TEAM and ALL THE COACHES to the minors! Do not bring up OKC. Bring up the the OIL KINGS to play in place of the Oilers!

Post at your own risk dude. If you're going to be so passionate about your opinion and post about it, be ready for replies disagreeing with you that are just as passionate. And if you complain after the fact and get personal, well then you're just as much of an a$$ hole as the ones you're dissing.

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#34 The Oilers Shot Clock
February 03 2014, 02:15AM
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I think Gagner would be more effective on a team that already has size and is looking for more scoring. He has no role here. No role he's capable of filling. He's not the second line center we were hoping he would turn into and he still requires massive amounts of sheltering. If we traded him to L.A. he would be able to play sheltered minutes on a team where his lack of defensive awareness would be compensated. Maybe the biggest favor Tambo did us was not signing him long term. I'd give him away for nothing if that's all we could get for him. He'd be a buyout option on most teams, but because it would be an admition of guilt/failure, our management keeps playing him. The NHL is chalk full of 40 point forwards. If that's your ceiling, then it can't be your only job skill on your resume.

Arcobello in the lineup, and Gagner out of the lineup would win us more games. It just has to.

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#35 Rick Stroppel
February 02 2014, 04:56PM
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Spydyr wrote:

" He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail."

Guess he was put in a postilion to fail his whole NHL career then because he has.

CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE

Spyder, as usual you have given this a lot of thought and you have convinced me. Gagner's whole career is a failure! His whole life is a failure! Waive him! Send him to the minors! Send the WHOLE TEAM and ALL THE COACHES to the minors! Do not bring up OKC. Bring up the the OIL KINGS to play in place of the Oilers!

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#36 Rick Stroppel
February 02 2014, 05:49PM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner should be sent to the AHL. If we lose him on waivers... great!

THE SCAPEGOAT

Primitive people were very silly. When something bad happened, like a drought, and they did not understand why it happened, they wanted to DO SOMETHING, just to make themselves feel better. So they would make a human sacrifice.

A couple of months ago, fans (and many posters here) decided that Dubnyk was the sacrificial lamb. "Dubnyk starts tonight, we lose " "Dammit playing tonight" "Trade him for a used jockstrap" Etc. So they traded him...and the team continued to lose as badly as before.

So the primitive fans cast about for a new whipping boy....Gagner!

I appreciate that the post above was probably intended as a joke. However, if you really think that ANY of the Oilers MANY problems would be solved by sending Gagner to the minors, you are not very smart.

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#37 Oiler Al
February 02 2014, 02:25PM
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I guess MacT, was just kidding when he told Arcobello to get an apartment in Edmonton.

This guy players bigger than Gagner, Hemsky, Eberle, and even the Nuge.I see him as backup to Boyd Gordon, play similar game.

If Oilers are going after size than they better send some of these other cupcakes out of town on the same bus.

PS.. Gadzic is the worst NHL player on any team. The guy isnt even a good face puncher.If he is so good, why is only playing 4 to 6 minutes a game.

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#38 Rick Stroppel
February 02 2014, 08:51PM
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** wrote:

Post at your own risk dude. If you're going to be so passionate about your opinion and post about it, be ready for replies disagreeing with you that are just as passionate. And if you complain after the fact and get personal, well then you're just as much of an a$$ hole as the ones you're dissing.

POINT TAKEN

You are right, I should not have included the last sentence. I stand by the rest.

You can disagree without being disagreeable.

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#39 Bonvie
February 02 2014, 03:45PM
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I wouldn't be too concerned about Arcobello' a future as an Oiler just yet as he will have the rest of the season after Wednesday, to prove his worth. Hopefully McTavish takes advantage of his assets at the trade deadline and comes out with a nice haul of picks and prospects. If he fails to do so then I will come to the conclusion he may be as clueless as Tambellina who went through each trade deadline with his head up his ass while teams like Carolia, Buffalo, and Calgary got full value out of all pending UFA and veterans not in the plans for the future.

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#40 Ed in Edmonton
February 02 2014, 08:40PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

THE SCAPEGOAT

Primitive people were very silly. When something bad happened, like a drought, and they did not understand why it happened, they wanted to DO SOMETHING, just to make themselves feel better. So they would make a human sacrifice.

A couple of months ago, fans (and many posters here) decided that Dubnyk was the sacrificial lamb. "Dubnyk starts tonight, we lose " "Dammit playing tonight" "Trade him for a used jockstrap" Etc. So they traded him...and the team continued to lose as badly as before.

So the primitive fans cast about for a new whipping boy....Gagner!

I appreciate that the post above was probably intended as a joke. However, if you really think that ANY of the Oilers MANY problems would be solved by sending Gagner to the minors, you are not very smart.

I don't think that putting Gags on waivers has any chance of happening this year but over the next two years it may not be inconceivable, if he cannot play any better than this year. What might the rationale for such as move?

1. It clears 4.8 million of salary cap that could be used more productively. 2. It might send a message to the organization (both players and others) when he clears waivers that the Oilers core players are not nearly as sought after as some think. It might be a shock that the organization needs.

3. Opens up the 2C position for a more appropriate player, hopefully someone would be available.

Burying 4.8 million in the minors would be a hard pill to swallow but similar situations have happened before (eg the recently retired Wade Redden).

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#41 MessyEH
February 03 2014, 12:30AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

THE SCAPEGOAT

Primitive people were very silly. When something bad happened, like a drought, and they did not understand why it happened, they wanted to DO SOMETHING, just to make themselves feel better. So they would make a human sacrifice.

A couple of months ago, fans (and many posters here) decided that Dubnyk was the sacrificial lamb. "Dubnyk starts tonight, we lose " "Dammit playing tonight" "Trade him for a used jockstrap" Etc. So they traded him...and the team continued to lose as badly as before.

So the primitive fans cast about for a new whipping boy....Gagner!

I appreciate that the post above was probably intended as a joke. However, if you really think that ANY of the Oilers MANY problems would be solved by sending Gagner to the minors, you are not very smart.

Since Dubnyk left the team has won more games. Scrivens has had a better save % . All with the same coach and AHL defense.

Nashville has stated that Dubnyk ' s game is flawed fundamentally.

Yup Dubes was a scape goat.

Why would the fan base be wrong about Gagner? A Small Center, who is payed too much and has always been defensively lacking.

Has never scored more than 50pts and has a terrible 200 ft game.

Is redundant because we already have a "great" collection of wingers.

There is no place for "the runt" at the Oilers teet. His contract makes him untradeable. He needs too be sent to the minors to regain the confidence he has lost. If another team grabs him off waivers. Great for Gagner, and not a great loss for the Oilers.

I have said here many times Gagner's contract is MacTs biggest mistake Are you too busy insulting people to view this from an objectively? Your response shows a real lack of looking at the big picture.

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#42 Dave
February 02 2014, 09:37PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

DON'T GET MAD AT GAGNER

Lots of hate for Gagner on this thread. I did not get mad at Horcoff. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I did not get mad at Pisani. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I am not mad at Gagner. I am mad at MacTavish for signing him to a stupid contract, rendering him basically untradeable.

Gagner was obviously rushed back from injury. WHY? It has been obvious for months this team is not making the playoffs. Gagner's confidence is shot. His physical problems are leading to psychological problems. The JACKASSES who run this team should have recognized that and not brought him back until he was totally recovered.

This was done to support Eakins ego. Eakins can't stand the team doing as poorly as it is.

Gagner is yet another example of a player with potential being ruined by this organization. He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail.

No,except in shoot outs early in his career and the 8 point game Gagner has been an under achiever. I for one am not surprised.

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#43 wintoon
February 03 2014, 06:22AM
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Some people are losing their perspective on things. Is Gagner a terrible hockey player? No, but he certainly is not the player the Oilers need to have playing 2C if they intend to mae the playoffs or make a run for the Cup.

Is Arcobello an adequate 2C for a team (the Oilers) wanting to make the playoffs and make a run for the Cup? No, he is not, particularily if the Oilers have to play thtough the Western conference to get to the Cup.

The Oilers desparately need a bona fide 2C and they are most likely going to have to get it at the 2014 draft table. Given their likely drafting position (top three) they will have a chance at Reinhart, Bennett or perhaps Draisaitl.

The key is to not compromise our expectations as to what it will take in the 2C spot to be successful. While Arcobello is a nice guy, not a bad player, he is simply not what the Oilers need in the 2C slot.

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#44 2004Z06
February 03 2014, 09:35AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

DON'T GET MAD AT GAGNER

Lots of hate for Gagner on this thread. I did not get mad at Horcoff. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I did not get mad at Pisani. I got mad at Lowe for signing him to a stupid contract. I am not mad at Gagner. I am mad at MacTavish for signing him to a stupid contract, rendering him basically untradeable.

Gagner was obviously rushed back from injury. WHY? It has been obvious for months this team is not making the playoffs. Gagner's confidence is shot. His physical problems are leading to psychological problems. The JACKASSES who run this team should have recognized that and not brought him back until he was totally recovered.

This was done to support Eakins ego. Eakins can't stand the team doing as poorly as it is.

Gagner is yet another example of a player with potential being ruined by this organization. He was not put in a position to succeed, he was put in a position to fail.

Horcoff did not take the Oilers to arbitration. Horcoff did not threaten arbitration the second time. People can say what they want about the Gagner contract, but based on his pts production last year, an arbitrator would have given him his money anyway.

That being said, with no real size difference between Gagner and Arco....Arcobello's defensive game and face off percentage Gagner becomes trade bait and Arco fills in until the off season.

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#45 BobbyCanuck
February 03 2014, 10:41AM
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MessyEH wrote:

Gagner should be sent to the AHL. If we lose him on waivers... great!

That would be a bold move, and send a clear message to the rest of our smurf collective

But, it will not happen, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Gagner on waivers, and not getting picked, will expose MacT's asset valuation and contract negotiation skills.

As an aside, does anybody know if the make elevator skates? Kind of like elevator shoes? I am sure I do not need to explain the in(Ference). Excuse the pun, I actully like Ference

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#46 Bonvie
February 02 2014, 07:42PM
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@Rick Stroppel

Yep this is pretty much accurate!

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#47 rickithebear
February 03 2014, 09:37AM
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Edmonton Oilers:

10 years past draft 28yr + Smyth 37; Ference 34; Bryzgalov 33; Hendricks 32; N. Schultz 31; Hemsky 30; Gordon 30; Potter 30; R. Jones 29. 9 Players 4 brought in this year.

6-9 years Belov 27; Fraser 27; Scrivens 27; Joensuu 26; Petry 26; Perron 25; Gazdic 24; Larsen 24; Gagner 24. 9 players 7 brought in this year.

1-5 years past draft 18-23yr Eberle 23; J. Schultz 23; Hall 22; Marincin 21;RNH 20; Yak 20;

I would expect an intake of 2-3 25-27 year old Dmen.

Plus an inclusion of 3-4 under 28 forwards.

In year 6 of the rebuild.

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#48 andrewmk20
February 02 2014, 09:47PM
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I like Arco but Edmonton does need to go in a different direction. If they were an Eastern team I'd be different because teams like Montreal can be competitive with small centers. But Arco has struggled against the heavy Pacific teams and St Louis.

Is there any chance the Oilers try to pick off Berglund and Matt Cullen. Predators have a lot of options for 3rd line center role with Spaling, Gaustad, Fisher, and Legwand. Also St Louis has Sobotka and Berglund both competing for 3rd line center and St Louis should re-sign Derek Roy because he gives them a dimension they don't have a great deal of which is speed and skill. Cullen and Berglund are 2b/3a centers and would be an upgrade over anything Edmonton has right now behind RNH.

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#49 sizedoesmatter
February 03 2014, 05:45AM
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I have been just as guilty bashing Gagner. I would love it it if he could find his game again.the one hand stick wave as the forward skates to the net is not playing defence. He has to at the very least get in the way. Also being the first player out after a penalty kill is a momentum killer.I wish they would help him find his confidence again

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#50 j
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Hey LT - re: landing spots for Gagner - I agree that on the surface LA may not appear to be a great trade partner but how about Gagner for Richards? Gagner has never reached the season totals of Richards but is arguably more offensively talented at this point in their respective careers (Richards being 4 years older with many more miles on him). We'd have to throw in a prospect or two but this may be the shake up that LA need. They are the mirror image to the Oil. Too mechanical, too heavy. They need someone with slick hands and an offensive mind.

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