MIDNIGHT COWBOY

Lowetide
February 23 2014 08:41PM

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One thing about Craig MacTavish: when it comes to making trades, he's not a stay-at-home. Since the season began, no GM has been more active in trying to make his team better.

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Just after midnight eastern time, NHL teams can start trading again. Craig MacTavish is one of the few established sellers and two possible trade assets (Ales Hemsky and Anton Belov) were on display at the Olympics.

Hemsky specifically impressed, and if the Oilers plan on dealing him now might be the time. Edmonton doesn't get back into action until Thursday, which would give the club a chance to adjust to Hemsky's exit.

THE LIST OF POSSIBLE EXITS

  • Jeff Petry
  • Sam Gagner 
  • Ales Hemsky
  • Nick Schultz: 
  • Ryan Smyth 
  • Corey Potter
  • Anton Belov
  • Ilya Bryzgalov
  • Mark Arcobello
  • Taylor Fedun
  • Mark Fraser
  • Ryan Jones

A couple of notes: I don't think the Oilers trade Petry, but it's a seller's market and if a team is in dire need of help and willing to overpay for an impending RFA due for a big raise? Maybe you move him for that overpay.

Gagner we've known about for some time, Hemsky is likely going and Nick Schultz is extremely likely to be dealt. I wonder about a guy like Belov or Potter, and based on this season Ryan Smyth will hold value. Mark Arcobello? Ryan Jones.

You never know.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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When midnight hits, someone will break the ice with a deal and after that it's on. There are so few teams who are selling this season the value for a Hemsky or a Gagner or a Petry could be exceptional. The Olympics are over. It's time for some trading.

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#51 Towersofdub
February 24 2014, 12:12PM
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@HardBoiledOil

Is it MacT's fault that other GM's haven't been willing to make deals? Should he have dealt Hall or Nugent-Hopkins by now? He got rid of Dubnyk, and replaced him with one of the league leaders in save percentage, who subsequently set a record for the # of saves in a shut-out performance. Fine, he hasn't been able to trade Gagner for Doughty & Weber, but I just don't think that deal is there to be made.

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#52 Towersofdub
February 24 2014, 12:13PM
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@Serious Gord

what's the point of trading gagner if you're not going to get anything back? What NHL transaction do you think you can broker that will make Edmonton a better team? Why aren't you advising the GM?

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#53 DSF
February 24 2014, 01:25PM
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Spydyr wrote:

THE LIST OF POSSIBLE EXITS

Jeff Petry Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky Nick Schultz: Ryan Smyth Corey Potter Anton Belov Ilya Bryzgalov Mark Arcobello Taylor Fedun Mark Fraser Ryan Jones

Yes to all, this team needs a massive re-tooling. Get rid of the tools and bring in players that play a 200 foot game and want to win.

Some size , speed and functional toughness would go along ways too.

Mark Fraser is FUNCTIONAL TOUGHNESS on the SOFTEST DEFENSE in the league MORON!!!

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#54 Waxman "Peurto Vallarta" Wiley
February 24 2014, 01:27PM
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DSF wrote:

Mark Fraser is FUNCTIONAL TOUGHNESS on the SOFTEST DEFENSE in the league MORON!!!

I agree. The only tougher D in the league may be DERYK ENGELLAND! Maybe not! Give FRASER a fu&^%ing chance!!!

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#55 Zamboni Driver
February 24 2014, 03:11PM
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@DSF

You know:

a) it's been a long time since I've had to think about the Oilers;

b) I haven't missed it much;

c) It's a sad state affairs generally when...

I actually forgot who Mark Fraser was.

Had to look him up. Why the hell are they fighting about someone named Mark Fraser??!

"Mark Fraser is a Canadian professional ice hockey defenceman. He currently plays for the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League."

OOHHHHHHHHHH. Right!

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#56 Serious Gord
February 24 2014, 08:08PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

what's the point of trading gagner if you're not going to get anything back? What NHL transaction do you think you can broker that will make Edmonton a better team? Why aren't you advising the GM?

First I would have dealt him two years ago when his skill set became redundant.

Faced with his negative value now I would trade him for another negative value (big contract - low performance) player with a different skillset - someon who's physical or a low scoring dman. Who precisely is a mugs game for some one in my position - unlike MacT - am not in contact with the other GMs.

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#57 Joy S. Lee
February 25 2014, 05:33AM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

with the deadline March 5th, it means we all will have to suffer with 2 more weeks of endless rumours about who is going where and MacT will likely wait the full 2 weeks before doing anything. so much for being "an impatient man"....

You know, you guys who pick apart every word a guy says, and then LITERALLY hold them to it...We should all be so lucky. Perhaps we should collect everything everyone here says, and make sure they never say anything contradictory. Or perhaps just follow you around, and make sure nothing you ever say or do is in opposition to anything you've ever said or done.

It's time to deal with this BS: The term "BOLD" is descriptive in every 'eye of the beholder'. Every one of us has the potential to describe BOLD differently.

Saying "I'm an impatient man," and then showing patience, TO ME, reflects STRENGTH, not WEAKNESS! Some want to put these guys on a cross and leave them to die, but honestly, this is just hockey, the GAME we love. They shouldn't be put on a pedestal when they win, either. It's just hockey! We don't need to crucify anyone. We DO want a team that can and does win, though. MacTavish and his organization WANT to give that to us, I've clearly gotten that communication from him and them. They WANT to succeed. And they've got a ways to go to get there. We are ALL upset about the duration of losing we've endured.

But, to abandon our own reasonableness, our own understanding, our own patience, our own enjoyment, in order to launch rockets of anger at guys like MacTavish -- who has been in his position of authority over the team for all of ONE year now, and made huge, sweeping changes, if you can see beyond the end of your nose you'll know that he has set the table for any future moves -- in order to prove that "I'm right, they suck, and here's why..." it just all seems a bit Neanderthal and closed-minded.

MacTavish, perhaps more than any other GM, says what he thinks and feels. But he's ALLOWED to change his mind, isn't he? He's new to the position! He can say he's impatient, but if those he wishes to negotiate with are slow to move, then he is slow to move, do you not see this??? Or, he wants to MAKE SURE he's making the right move(s). Or, he thinks it's in the team's best interests to do THIS before THAT, or that before this. Or, he changes his mind...something he learns about being a GM makes him realize something important, and so he adds that to his knowledge, and moves forward from there. Maybe patience is part of his evolution.

If we want to take every single statement from one another, reduce it to individual words, and then HOLD EACH OTHER TO EVERYTHING WE'VE SAID, well, let's just say that our legal system is a wonderful example of the brilliance of that thinking. It's sole purpose seems to be to slow the world down, limit it, create controversy, argument, and anger. It was created in the concept of debate, but now just acts as an all-powerful momentum stopper that takes away rights, and gives those who can manipulate it all the advantages.

Things change. People change. Awareness changes. Everything changes, people. Some of you think this is some kind of paint-by-numbers project, but it's so much more than that...it's a roll-with-the-punches thing, it's an adaptation thing, it's...well, it's really a question of this leadership group tending to it's intentions by taking the lead, moving to the forefront of how it's done, and then adapting out on that leading edge. Those are the organizations that will win the day, going forward, because those are the organizations that will redefine how things are done.

What many of you don't seem to realize is that there is sweeping change taking place all over, and that sweeping change involves the same things this microcosm of the Oilers presents. If this team wants to be a dynasty again (and that's what I think Katz and they want...and us fans, too!), then they'll have to step out into the unknown, and stay on that leading edge until they figure it out for themselves. Same as you and I, in today's world.

I didn't come here to reveal this today, but I'm just so tired of this constant picking and poking and dissecting of a guy who clearly is sharp, has the tools to succeed, the mind to know if what he's doing is working, and the willingness to alter intentions to meet newly discovered opportunities. And to some of you are so stuck on this blame game that you forget you have your own life to live...stop being so attached to this crap that does NOT serve you or us. For crissakes, and for your own sakes, wake up and reach for a little joy in life!!!

Or, continue to criticize and flesh out every conceivable negative, from under rocks, behind intentions, and around common-sense, at your own detriment, and, well...enjoy that, too! Whatever you do, make sure you ENJOY it. I know, SOME of you do...those are the ones who bring humor while they're criticizing. But we are here to enjoy it, aren't we?

Ah, screw it...because I still hate the Canucks and their fan base. But at least I ENJOY doing it!!

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