MIDNIGHT COWBOY

Lowetide
February 23 2014 08:41PM

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One thing about Craig MacTavish: when it comes to making trades, he's not a stay-at-home. Since the season began, no GM has been more active in trying to make his team better.

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Just after midnight eastern time, NHL teams can start trading again. Craig MacTavish is one of the few established sellers and two possible trade assets (Ales Hemsky and Anton Belov) were on display at the Olympics.

Hemsky specifically impressed, and if the Oilers plan on dealing him now might be the time. Edmonton doesn't get back into action until Thursday, which would give the club a chance to adjust to Hemsky's exit.

THE LIST OF POSSIBLE EXITS

  • Jeff Petry
  • Sam Gagner 
  • Ales Hemsky
  • Nick Schultz: 
  • Ryan Smyth 
  • Corey Potter
  • Anton Belov
  • Ilya Bryzgalov
  • Mark Arcobello
  • Taylor Fedun
  • Mark Fraser
  • Ryan Jones

A couple of notes: I don't think the Oilers trade Petry, but it's a seller's market and if a team is in dire need of help and willing to overpay for an impending RFA due for a big raise? Maybe you move him for that overpay.

Gagner we've known about for some time, Hemsky is likely going and Nick Schultz is extremely likely to be dealt. I wonder about a guy like Belov or Potter, and based on this season Ryan Smyth will hold value. Mark Arcobello? Ryan Jones.

You never know.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

IDIOT2

When midnight hits, someone will break the ice with a deal and after that it's on. There are so few teams who are selling this season the value for a Hemsky or a Gagner or a Petry could be exceptional. The Olympics are over. It's time for some trading.

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#1 HardBoiledOil
February 23 2014, 09:01PM
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nobody has made more trades and tried harder to make the team better....and failed so far!

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#2 Serious Gord
February 23 2014, 09:30PM
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"Since the season began, no GM has been more active in trying to make his team better. "

Pygmy trades. Nothing barely better than third line on a 29th place team.

This team has needed to move some big (or once big now small) pieces for a few years now and MacT seems to be carrying on the tradition of his predecessors in not moving the surplus bits to get the needed bits.

Gagner and hemsky have now depreciated so much that they will bring very little return - negative assets for negative assets. And despite that I still think MacT is too gutless to pull the trigger on gagner.

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#3 Quintana
February 23 2014, 09:19PM
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The problem with trading Gagner is that left a hole in our 2C.If Mac-T can find that guy in a trade, I'm all for it.I think Hemmer + is gone for a prospect....Despres or Sammuelson would be ok. Now the bold trade is what i'm waiting for.........Would Nashville take Petry, Eberle+our first for Shea?

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#4 MessyEH
February 23 2014, 09:03PM
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Fingers crossed, hopefully the Oilers don't get fleeced. I say Gagner,Hemsky, Schultz and Smyth should be dealt. If there's a buyer for Buzz the bear, you send him out as well.

Oilers could wind up with 4 or 5 extra picks and some prospects to be dealt on Draft day. Trade the picks and Eberle for a #1Defense.

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#5 Turnover
February 23 2014, 11:00PM
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Petry due for a "big raise"? What is wrong wid ur head? He's already overpaid.

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#6 TayLordBalls
February 23 2014, 10:05PM
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you don't trade valuable assets unless you have something better coming back or in the system.

Gags is not going anywhere.

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#7 God
February 23 2014, 09:09PM
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Fire sale!!

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#8 HardBoiledOil
February 23 2014, 09:58PM
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it would be too funny if the Oilers didn't get a good replacement center if they traded Gagner, and only had Nuge and nobody, and Calgary, after drafting Monahan last year, took another potentially great center in Sam Bennett this year !

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#9 Tayranchula
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I'm probably going to catch some flack over this but this is what I'd like to see from the Oilers.

1. Trade Hemsky at the deadline for whatever he can get. I can see it being picks which would be alright with me.

2. Keep Petry and dont trade him right now. Once we have a surplus of players playing defence in the National Hockey League (not junior, college or the AHL) then we can look at dumping him for players we need (This would be of course when the Oilers are in contention for the playoffs)

3. Trade Gagner in the summer before his NTC kicks in. Be sure to find a suitable replacement. With the points Eberle, Nuge, Perron and Hall can put up I would like to see a 1-2 punch simuliar to Bostons. Krejci and Bergereon are wonderful together. I would like to see a big 2-way center on that 2nd line.

4. Get rid of loose scrap for anything including picks. Players like Belov, Schultz, Smyth and Fraser. There is zero reason to keep them on this team.

Now for the big thing I would like to see happen and I'm sure no one will like it.

5. Trade Yakupov!!! I'm not saying he is a bad player or anything but if we have to give up talent to get talent on the back end it has to be him. I don't think he will be able carry a team offensively like a first overal pick can, even when he gets older and better. He can bring in real talent if he was to be traded, talent that could help the Oilers win. I think with him on this team the Oilers will only be so good but if he can get us a bonafide d-man it will make miles of difference for the Oilers.

It was enjoyable to watch Canada play at the Olympics. It was nice to root for a team that knew how to play defence as a 5 man group and break out the puck for a change. I never realised how bad the Oilers are until I watched Canada play Finland, USA and Sweden.

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#10 Mr common sense
February 23 2014, 09:54PM
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Whoever gets Steve Ott wins

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#11 TayLordBalls
February 23 2014, 09:40PM
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Just finished watching game 2 of the 1982 Oilers against LA Kings in the Smyth Conference semi final.

(commentated by Bob Cole and Don Cherry).

The Oil lost the previous game 5-0 and went on to lose that series.

What struck me was how much that team was like the present team. Cherry said Gretzky weighed in at 185!

The 1982 team had better defense men than the current team but the forwards overall are better now than the old team.

Mistakes everywhere!

What a couple of years of experience can make!

You just wait, this team has the makings of something amazing!

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#12 Rod from Viking
February 23 2014, 10:36PM
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Young Oil wrote:

There is no way Nashville is ever going to part with Shea Weber, especially after how he dominated during the Olympics.

A more realistic option is Roman Josi. A solid top 4 Dman who would have a much lower price. Nashville still might not want to move him, but they would move him long before they would move Weber.

Never say never, Gretzky was traded in his prime, I will agree with you that it is unlikely and I would guess less than 1% chance it would be the Oilers if it did happen. Philly is still hot and horny over him and they do have the assets that could make it happen, you never know even though he is in the top 3 in the league Nashville doesn't have the offense to be competitive. If he was traded the team getting him would be contact eating on the players traded for him to make the huge upfront investment they made not a complete loss.

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#13 HardBoiledOil
February 23 2014, 11:04PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

you don't trade valuable assets unless you have something better coming back or in the system.

Gags is not going anywhere.

watch MacT turn him into a 4th liner and a 3rd round pick.

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#14 Rick Stroppel
February 23 2014, 11:06PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

Just finished watching game 2 of the 1982 Oilers against LA Kings in the Smyth Conference semi final.

(commentated by Bob Cole and Don Cherry).

The Oil lost the previous game 5-0 and went on to lose that series.

What struck me was how much that team was like the present team. Cherry said Gretzky weighed in at 185!

The 1982 team had better defense men than the current team but the forwards overall are better now than the old team.

Mistakes everywhere!

What a couple of years of experience can make!

You just wait, this team has the makings of something amazing!

FACTS ARE STUBBORN

So the current Oilers team has better forwards than the 1982 Oilers? That is an amazing thing to say. The 1982 Oilers forwards included Gretzky (212 points that year), Anderson (105), Messier (88), Kurri (86), not to mention Lumley (74) and Matti Hagman (59). And yes, I do appreciate points were easier to come by back then. There's four Hall of Fame forwards there. Which four of the current Oilers forwards do you think are going to the HOF?

I am sorry to say this, but it is true. The 2014 Oilers are not a dynasty in the making. They are a sorry mess of a team.

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#15 Zach
February 23 2014, 09:28PM
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Quintana wrote:

The problem with trading Gagner is that left a hole in our 2C.If Mac-T can find that guy in a trade, I'm all for it.I think Hemmer + is gone for a prospect....Despres or Sammuelson would be ok. Now the bold trade is what i'm waiting for.........Would Nashville take Petry, Eberle+our first for Shea?

That offer could get Edmonton something pretty special. But I doubt Nashville would part with weber, a bomb like his is pretty hard to replace.

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#16 Rod from Viking
February 23 2014, 10:38PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LETS GET BACK TO THE SHEA WEBER TRADE SCENARIOS:

Here's mine:

Jordan Eberle 1st round pick 2014 for Shea Weber!

What's yours??

Look who's back, I guess Robin is still in Maui and not checking the comments.

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#17 Spoils
February 24 2014, 08:28AM
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Not sure if the Olympics proved the value of good d, or if the 06 memory of Pronger helps. we need a guy to eat up half the game

The Goal = true all star ideally under 28 give or take

Nashville - Shea Weber or Seth Jones
LA Kings - Drew Doughty
St Louis - Pietrangelo
Montreal - PK Subban
SJS - Vlassic
Phoenix - Ekman-Larsson, Yandle
Sens - Karlsson
Wild - Jonas Brodin, Suter
NYR - McDonagh, Del Zotti?, Girardi?

Would "one of our top 5" + "our 2014 top pick" + "Hemsky" get a trade done?

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#18 Naky
February 23 2014, 10:32PM
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Trading Petry for anything but an upgrade on D would be a huge mistake. He's playing over his head right now in the top 2 while not being a top 2 d-man, but he's still one of our best and most experienced of our young defensemen. Who the heck do we bring up to replace him, yet another rookie defenseman? I know we're all giddy over Marincin but the kid's beating all the odds against all expectations. We can't field a team of rookie D and expect to win.

He's not untouchable, but he shouldn't be given away either and at the trade deadline you aren't getting back a quality roster player from a team looking to make a playoff run. Petry for yet another frigging prospect to add to our already bulging OKC lineup or a middling draft pick that probably won't pan out or take a few years to turn into something is the last thing we need in return.

I'm kind of surprised he was even added to that list, really. I kind of thought you'd know this.

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#19 Young Oil
February 23 2014, 09:39PM
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There is no way Nashville is ever going to part with Shea Weber, especially after how he dominated during the Olympics.

A more realistic option is Roman Josi. A solid top 4 Dman who would have a much lower price. Nashville still might not want to move him, but they would move him long before they would move Weber.

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#20 Oprah sucks
February 24 2014, 09:34AM
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Rnh,hall,ebs,Perron,& Justin Schultz are the only untradeables for now. Beginning to think that marincin might fall under that list also. These inexperienced players, (with the exception of Perron) need a solid defensive structure in there game to excelerate the learning curves. Especially young d men. Obviously there in need of a couple high quality experienced d. Gags, yak, d prospect and first rounder for weber! All this talk about filling the spot on 2nd/c. Arcobello can fill that spot for rest of the year,maybe lander maybe does it matter? Deal with that in off season and next yr!

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#21 Serious Gord
February 23 2014, 10:13PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

you don't trade valuable assets unless you have something better coming back or in the system.

Gags is not going anywhere.

What the oil need is something different - not necessarily better. Too much of one kind of player - not enough of other kinds.

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#22 Cody anderson
February 24 2014, 06:25AM
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I have pushed back previous years on trading Gags until they find a better replacement.

I now agree we need a bigger, stronger, 2 way person in that role.

I would guess he will not be traded to the off season, but you never know what will be offered.

Out go N Scultz, Belov, Hemsky, Fraser, Jones

coming back I expect to see a 2nd, 4th, 1st, 4th, and 4th.

This is what we should have done when they announced the rebuild. If we had traded everything of any value other than young prosects for draft pciks and defensive prospects we would now be much further ahead. Imagine starting out the rebuild with 4 or 5 1st rounders.

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#23 TayLordBalls
February 24 2014, 06:50AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

FACTS ARE STUBBORN

So the current Oilers team has better forwards than the 1982 Oilers? That is an amazing thing to say. The 1982 Oilers forwards included Gretzky (212 points that year), Anderson (105), Messier (88), Kurri (86), not to mention Lumley (74) and Matti Hagman (59). And yes, I do appreciate points were easier to come by back then. There's four Hall of Fame forwards there. Which four of the current Oilers forwards do you think are going to the HOF?

I am sorry to say this, but it is true. The 2014 Oilers are not a dynasty in the making. They are a sorry mess of a team.

Hall would have plugged right into that 1982 1st line and been dominant. Eberle and even Yaks would have easily made that team.

The league was a lot different then - there were a lot of terrible teams to get points from.

Now the league has parity between the teams.

If it aint fixed - why break it!

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#24 vetinari
February 24 2014, 07:56AM
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WILD TRADE SPECULATION TIME!!!!?!

Well, maybe not. How about this instead-- everybody, instead of posting your trade suggestions here, actually call or email the team that you think MacT should trade with and give them your suggestion directly.

Make sure that you actually talk to a GM or an Assistant GM and see what their reaction is, and then post their reaction into the comments thread.

There may be a lot of: "????" or "[silence- click]" or "Who the h3ll gave you my number?" or "Milbury, are you back in the league?" type of comments.... have fun!

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#25 David S
February 23 2014, 10:51PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

"Since the season began, no GM has been more active in trying to make his team better. "

Pygmy trades. Nothing barely better than third line on a 29th place team.

This team has needed to move some big (or once big now small) pieces for a few years now and MacT seems to be carrying on the tradition of his predecessors in not moving the surplus bits to get the needed bits.

Gagner and hemsky have now depreciated so much that they will bring very little return - negative assets for negative assets. And despite that I still think MacT is too gutless to pull the trigger on gagner.

My guess is MacT will make a trade with his higher value assets when he feels the opportunity is the greatest and not one minute sooner. This despite all the self congratulatory rhetoric from wanna be/never will be couch GM's out in Oiler land.

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#26 HardBoiledOil
February 24 2014, 05:19AM
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with the deadline March 5th, it means we all will have to suffer with 2 more weeks of endless rumours about who is going where and MacT will likely wait the full 2 weeks before doing anything. so much for being "an impatient man"....

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#27 Spydyr
February 24 2014, 06:36AM
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THE LIST OF POSSIBLE EXITS

Jeff Petry Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky Nick Schultz: Ryan Smyth Corey Potter Anton Belov Ilya Bryzgalov Mark Arcobello Taylor Fedun Mark Fraser Ryan Jones

Yes to all, this team needs a massive re-tooling. Get rid of the tools and bring in players that play a 200 foot game and want to win.

Some size , speed and functional toughness would go along ways too.

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#28 Serious Gord
February 24 2014, 10:55AM
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BTW that midnight cowboy GIF was apparently a complete ad lib. The crosswalk scene was - like the rest of the movies outdoor shots - a quick open set - the car was just a New Yorker going about his business and his nearly clipping Hoffman and Hoffmans response were not at all scripted. Cinematic gold.

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#29 DSF
February 24 2014, 01:25PM
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Spydyr wrote:

THE LIST OF POSSIBLE EXITS

Jeff Petry Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky Nick Schultz: Ryan Smyth Corey Potter Anton Belov Ilya Bryzgalov Mark Arcobello Taylor Fedun Mark Fraser Ryan Jones

Yes to all, this team needs a massive re-tooling. Get rid of the tools and bring in players that play a 200 foot game and want to win.

Some size , speed and functional toughness would go along ways too.

Mark Fraser is FUNCTIONAL TOUGHNESS on the SOFTEST DEFENSE in the league MORON!!!

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#30 Woogie63
February 24 2014, 06:03AM
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Low chance of trading for a number one Dman, all those options just played on the Olympics, we know the names.

I think getting a team to trade one of those top 10 Dman in the world is a low chance.

that player has to wants to move to Edmonton (Sorry just being realistic, not many young Multi-millionaires moving to Edmonton).

When the player wants to be in a re-build in the prime of their career.

When the player has faith in this management team to secure the needed other pieces to win now.

That GREAT dman has to wants to come and work with Smith and Eakins.

The Great Dman has to wants to travel all those Extra miles the western teams have to travel.

That Great Dman has to want to play in a small market.

To me we have to draft and develop a 1D.

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#31 Spydyr
February 24 2014, 07:29AM
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Anton wrote:

Forget about trade value and such, let's just focus on which players that Oilers need to get rid of.

Sam Gagner is a must, he should be peaking by now but he is only regress for the last couple of years. His contract has NMC by next year and he is not deserving 4.8M for the performance that he has shown so far. The option about Gagner is very limited, Oilers have to jump on any kind of offer that any team willing to take Gagner off the team.

Ales Hemsky is rather interesting case, even that Oilers will very likely not to have him on the roster by next year but Oilers will still try to ship him away for return of any value. I can see him do well with Red Wings and it is a very small gamble on any team that can trade for Hemsky. He may not hold a high value but he has enough to get Oilers something needed in return.

Nick Schultz doesn't have much of the value and Oilers don't have much of rush to trade him away considering that he will be UFA by next year. We have a bunch of players like that on the payroll.

If you look into next year, who should get promoted? Nurse is doing well in junior and Oilers should call him up for few games to see how fast that he can adapt NHL's pace. If he can prove himself in 10 games then he should stay, otherwise just let him go back to junior again. Klefbom looks to be ready for the next step, Swedes need more actual game flow to be better. It would not be a bad idea to let him play. Hedman, Larsson(s), and Karlsson did not spend long years in either junior nor minor. If Oilers do intent to keep Klefbom then they should start him next year. Oilers do need to make a decision on Musil.

Next year's D line should have: J.Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Ference, Belov, Petry, and Nurse on the bubble. Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom, Belov, and Petry are all big bodies. They just need someone to coach them on how to utilize their presence on defensive end.

If next years defence has three rookies Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom, expect another lotto finish.As good as Marincin has looked in his small sample size this year.

You cannot expect to be competitive with half your defence rookies.

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#32 I tried it at home
February 24 2014, 09:16AM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

you realize that Del *Zotti* has been traded to Nashville?

Nashville added another big D? I hadn't heard, what did they give up for him?

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#33 Will
February 24 2014, 09:50AM
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For a team struggling with defence, why would we want to trade our one good defender? That seems counter intuitive to solving our issues.

I predict that if Mac T makes a significant trade, it will be something unpredictable. The guy does well at multi deals that have a lot of moving pieces.

I think he will try and get a first round pick and then use our first round selection for someone like Erhoff.

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#34 nuge2nail
February 24 2014, 09:51AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I would trade...

Sam Gagner Ales Hemsky Nick Schultz Ryan Smyth Corey Potter Anton Belov Mark Arcobello Mark Fraser Ryan Jones

For

Draft Picks (1st, 1st, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 4th)

THAN THE MOST IMPORTANT PART: Package the picks at the draft for useful NHL Players from teams looking to dump salary (aka Perron trade)

The 2nd or 3rd overall lottery pick should help the team as well.

Also the 40 MILLION IN CAP SPACE that can be used to create a balanced roster.

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#35 The Beaker
February 23 2014, 10:44PM
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@Serious Gord

yes but you want someone whos at least equally good in their "different" role no?

excluding facepunchers

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#36 toprightcorner
February 23 2014, 11:27PM
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Petry and Gagner may very well be traded but it would be dumb to do that at the deadline when you don't really get any quality NHL players in return. Teams are adding for their cup run not giving up quality players.

Gagner only needs to be traded before his NMC kicks in July 1 and with an early draft as well as the week to talk to free agents before free agency starts, there will be lots of time to trade him. With cap taking a huge jump next year, his salary will be less of an issue.

If Petry is traded, he could likey be traded in the summer for another RFA like O'Rielly, Burglund or Schenn but likely only if they have two other top 3 dmen in their back pocket already.

The best you will find before the trade deadline is prospects or picks and Petry and Gagner can get you much more and the Oilers need much more.

The guys I see gone by the deadline are:

Hemsky N. Schultz Arcobello Belov

Smyth only goes if BOS, PIT, STL, SAN, or ANA call and he will sign for a cup run. He will be signed by the Oilers next year and retire the same day as an Oiler

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#37 toprightcorner
February 24 2014, 03:47AM
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The video up top reminds me how successful the USA hockey teams did on the ice for medals

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#38 Lofty
February 24 2014, 05:08AM
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To the people who want to wait till summer to trade Gagner, have you considered that if he gets hurt late in the season and remains injured in June, the organization will be stuck with him and the no-trade clause till 2016?

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#39 TayLordBalls
February 24 2014, 07:15AM
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It`s easier to draft good defensemen than trade for up for them.

Wednesday, March 5th, reality sets in!

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#40 Anton
February 24 2014, 07:23AM
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Forget about trade value and such, let's just focus on which players that Oilers need to get rid of.

Sam Gagner is a must, he should be peaking by now but he is only regress for the last couple of years. His contract has NMC by next year and he is not deserving 4.8M for the performance that he has shown so far. The option about Gagner is very limited, Oilers have to jump on any kind of offer that any team willing to take Gagner off the team.

Ales Hemsky is rather interesting case, even that Oilers will very likely not to have him on the roster by next year but Oilers will still try to ship him away for return of any value. I can see him do well with Red Wings and it is a very small gamble on any team that can trade for Hemsky. He may not hold a high value but he has enough to get Oilers something needed in return.

Nick Schultz doesn't have much of the value and Oilers don't have much of rush to trade him away considering that he will be UFA by next year. We have a bunch of players like that on the payroll.

If you look into next year, who should get promoted? Nurse is doing well in junior and Oilers should call him up for few games to see how fast that he can adapt NHL's pace. If he can prove himself in 10 games then he should stay, otherwise just let him go back to junior again. Klefbom looks to be ready for the next step, Swedes need more actual game flow to be better. It would not be a bad idea to let him play. Hedman, Larsson(s), and Karlsson did not spend long years in either junior nor minor. If Oilers do intent to keep Klefbom then they should start him next year. Oilers do need to make a decision on Musil.

Next year's D line should have: J.Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Ference, Belov, Petry, and Nurse on the bubble. Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom, Belov, and Petry are all big bodies. They just need someone to coach them on how to utilize their presence on defensive end.

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#41 5inatrailer
February 24 2014, 08:29AM
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Buy low. Sell high. So ridiculously obvious to sell actual players before the deadline for picks, then trade those picks at the draft for better players.

It should make sense as Gms are so horny for players for the run, and then inversely horny to give up players for picks at the draft. It's repeated every year and in a remarkably short time span.

I'd like to throw this out there: does anyone notice if a particulat team does this consistently? Florida/ Tallon maybe? I don't follow THAT closely to notice but one of you guys are probably smart enough to scour the teams history.

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#42 Truth
February 24 2014, 09:47AM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

you realize that Del *Zotti* has been traded to Nashville?

For peanuts.

Edit: Wow, way late.

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#43 HardBoiledOil
February 24 2014, 07:48AM
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if we have to go forward with Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Petry and J. Schultz, with Ference being the only vet, then i am willing to bite the bullet and wait and see who turns out to be keepers. that said, i highly doubt this will happen. highly regarded 1st round d-man Joe Morrow has already been traded TWICE, so Marincin and/or Klefbom getting traded is not impossible.

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#44 HardBoiledOil
February 24 2014, 09:10AM
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Spoils wrote:

Not sure if the Olympics proved the value of good d, or if the 06 memory of Pronger helps. we need a guy to eat up half the game

The Goal = true all star ideally under 28 give or take

Nashville - Shea Weber or Seth Jones
LA Kings - Drew Doughty
St Louis - Pietrangelo
Montreal - PK Subban
SJS - Vlassic
Phoenix - Ekman-Larsson, Yandle
Sens - Karlsson
Wild - Jonas Brodin, Suter
NYR - McDonagh, Del Zotti?, Girardi?

Would "one of our top 5" + "our 2014 top pick" + "Hemsky" get a trade done?

you realize that Del *Zotti* has been traded to Nashville?

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#45 merfer
February 24 2014, 09:26AM
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Lofty wrote:

To the people who want to wait till summer to trade Gagner, have you considered that if he gets hurt late in the season and remains injured in June, the organization will be stuck with him and the no-trade clause till 2016?

Very good point. I never thought of that. I previously thought that we should wait till summertime to trade Gagner to get the best deal but if we got stuck with him somehow, that would be horrible.

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#46 HardBoiledOil
February 24 2014, 09:43AM
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I tried it at home wrote:

Nashville added another big D? I hadn't heard, what did they give up for him?

for real? the Rangers got d-man Kevin Klein straight up.

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#47 Oprah sucks
February 24 2014, 09:43AM
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merfer wrote:

Very good point. I never thought of that. I previously thought that we should wait till summertime to trade Gagner to get the best deal but if we got stuck with him somehow, that would be horrible.

No not a good point. You can never make a decision based on if he will get hurt or not. That's uncontrolled. True gags no trade kicks in but if Mac t wants to trade him is he really gonna want to stay. By the way it's goin for him I'm sure there's plenty of places he would go to. By no way are we stuck with him. If keeping him til draft or beyond meant there is a chance of packaging him up to get stud d man then they absolutely have to go down that road.

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#48 Rick Stroppel
February 24 2014, 10:01AM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

Hall would have plugged right into that 1982 1st line and been dominant. Eberle and even Yaks would have easily made that team.

The league was a lot different then - there were a lot of terrible teams to get points from.

Now the league has parity between the teams.

If it aint fixed - why break it!

OILERS NEED TO BE REALISTIC

I am reluctant to prolong this debate but I cannot resist. One HUGE problem for this team is the tendency of management to over-value the overall quality of their players. In a sense you cannot blame them for that. At the beginning of last season a writer for Sports Illustrated said the teams to watch in the NHL were LA, NYR and the Oilers. McTavish keeps repeating that other people are "bullish" on the Oilers. This may have been true at the beginning of this season. Not any more. One thing that we are hearing very consistently is that when MacTavish talks to other GM's about trading veteran players on the Oilers, he wants too much for them.

Smart hockey people can see that this is NOT a team with a large core of excellent young players which only needs a few tweaks. This team is pretty much a mess from top to bottom. MacTavish is acting as though he doesn't think he has to make radical changes. If he continues with that strategy, he will prolong the agony. He is facing an incredibly difficult choice. Putting patches on the sinking ship may produce a team which is better able to compete for the playoffs...but will not really excel in the long run. IMHO, I would rather endure another 2, even 3 seasons out of the playoffs if the reward is a genuine Stanley Cup contending team. Shortcuts don't work.

In other words, it is broken, and it does need to be fixed.

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#49 Puck_In_Throat
February 24 2014, 10:26AM
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For all those of you who are looking to trade for an all-world d-man (no need to re-hash the list) let me ask you this question:

Why would any team trade a player of that caliber unless they thought that the package coming in could not only replace that player, but be better.

so the question then becomes, what is a package that is of higher value than, say, Shea Weber?

The package must include: 1) a dynamic first line scorer (if I am Nashville, I want Nuge or Hall, nobody else) 2) a potential replacement for Weber (if I am Nashville, I am asking for the Oilers' 1st round pick (likely 1-3 overall) 3) a stop-gap NHL caliber D-Man to immediately replace a portion of Weber's playing time (Petry).

From Nashville's perspective, that package is attractive. Don't forget, Nashville isn't the team shopping their player, they are the reluctant seller. In Petry, they get 20 stable minutes a game, meaning that they only need to cover 10 more of Weber's minutes. Hall or Nuge gives them an instant upgrade on their 1st line. The 1st round pick, if its Ekblad, could replace Weber eventually, or, if not, could round out their top line.

This package does NOT get the deal done IMO: 1. Eberle 2. 1st round pick 3. any combination of D men not named Petry.

From the Oilers' perspective you have to ask if the first package is worth Weber. I am inclined to say that if the Oilers were an 8th place team looking to make some big playoff runs, it might be (keep in mind Weber is the BEST d-man in the world). But given that the Oilers are still likely to struggle even with Weber, then I would say the package is too pricey.

Again, from Nashville's perspective, why trade a great asset for a package of "throw ins". Eberle is clearly the 3rd (maybe even 4th) best forward on the Oilers. Any D-man other than Petry leaves Nashville with a 30 minute per game hole on D. Petry softens that blow.

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#50 Towersofdub
February 24 2014, 12:13PM
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@Serious Gord

what's the point of trading gagner if you're not going to get anything back? What NHL transaction do you think you can broker that will make Edmonton a better team? Why aren't you advising the GM?

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