Edmonton Oilers are a “secondary market” when it comes to trades

Jonathan Willis
February 25 2014 03:15PM

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Oilers GM Craig MacTavish held a media availability on Tuesday, fielding questions about the trade deadline, the team’s goaltending and its coaches. The whole thing is well worth watching, but particularly telling was MacTavish’s comments on where he saw the team’s rental players: as fallback options for other NHL teams.

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MacTavish made it clear during the press conference that a lot of the guys the Oilers are looking to move aren’t going to be at the top of the list for teams looking to add help:

I think a lot of our guys are going to be secondary market players. Everybody’s going to be looking for the high profile guys, the real high-end guys. We maybe have one or two of those guys but outside of that I think we’re a secondary market and that’s when we’ll try and get some interest and try and get some activity in the market.

In a follow-up appearance on Oilers Now, MacTavish was asked by host Bob Stauffer whether he expected to see people like Thomas Vanek or Matt Moulson dealt, and that question allowed MacTavish to expand on the reasons why Edmonton players might not be at the top of other teams’ lists:

I think so because there are a number of teams that when you’re looking to add players are looking to add the player that can help you the most. Clearly the higher level guys are the guys garnering the most attention.

Hemsky et al.

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It’s a sensible take. Given the choice between Thomas Vanek and Ales Hemsky, every team in the league is going to prefer Vanek. Vanek will cost more, but for teams with a legitimate shot at the Stanley Cup that’s not going to be a serious stumbling block. Moulson isn’t head and shoulders above Hemsky; he’s a little bigger and has scored a little more this year but Hemsky has more history in critical situations and has played tougher minutes this year.

Somebody’s going to get Vanek. Moulson’s likely on the block, but not necessarily going to be dealt, given that he’s made it clear he’d be open to staying in Buffalo. But if both are available, it wouldn’t be crazy to think that Hemsky won’t be moved until teams know they’re out of the running for both Vanek and Moulson.

As for the other guys the Oilers are doubtless looking to trade - people like Nick Schultz and perhaps Ryan Jones - the situation is the same, except more so. 

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#1 zoolander
February 25 2014, 03:47PM
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Would the oilers consider trying to trade somebody like Eberle for Victor Hedman. The lightning are quite weak on the right side especially since Martin St Louis is getting old. What does the nation think it would take to get Hedman or if the oilers should even try?

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#2 D
February 25 2014, 03:49PM
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Another of Tambogenius' lasting legacy.

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#3 Rick Stroppel
February 25 2014, 03:52PM
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I GOTTA GIVE MACTAVISH CREDIT

He actually said a few things of substance and most of it made sense.

Interesting that they are looking to get this year's 2 and 3 draft picks back. Also looking for prospects. I agree with that. Why trade for a bunch of second tier veterans who will only elevate the team from 29th overall to 19th overall, or something like that? MacTavish may have thought at the beginning of the year that the team was only two or three "pieces" from being a contender, now I think he realizes the foundation is lacking. The only way to fix it is good young players.

Re Goaltending: Scrivens will get a good look. Six games is not a big enough sample to make a long term commitment.

PS : Forget about a "blockbuster" trade.

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#4 Will
February 25 2014, 03:57PM
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With so many teams still in the hunt, hopefully prices for rentals are driven up. Likely the Oilers get their picks back. Best case scenario however would be something like the Nashville deal that sent Flip Foresburg back the other way. It's too bad Phoenix wasn't just a little higher in the standings, Samuelson anyone?

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#5 michael
February 25 2014, 04:06PM
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Ground up rebuild. Absolutely. No bs about it. This is not about this year or next, its about the teams foundation going forward. Whether that's 5 years from now or twenty. We need to grow organically. Draft-OKC-Edmonton.

Sure there will be opportunities along the way to move players we have as assets. But we seriously need a foundation that will stand the test of time.

Having an organization dedicated to developing from within creates an environment where players can grow and learn.

Sports is cyclic. The goal is to ensure that the lows are not like our current streak. Where you go 8 years without a playoff game. You want to build an organization where consistency reigns.

MacT has the truth of it. The team will get better. But most importantly the organizations core will get better.

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#6 A-Mc
February 25 2014, 04:36PM
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Welp, I got my March 5th booked off from work. I'll be sitting on the couch ALL DAY waiting for that Oilers bombshell trade of Spare parts for Picks. WOooo!

Who knows, maybe a decent hockey trade goes down.

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#7 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 04:40PM
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What the rest of the NHL is not lining up for a perennial lotto teams cast offs.Shocking,just shocking I tell you.

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#8 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 04:46PM
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I think that while MacTavish should take some of the blame for a lost season, I don't think anyone was expecting that Dubnyk would crumble behind the team. By the time he finally got his legs under him, it was too late; the entire team lost their confidence. My point is that Mac-T has actually done a pretty good job as GM, and I'm excited to see what he does this offseason.

IN MAC-T WE TRUST

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#9 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 04:49PM
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zoolander wrote:

Would the oilers consider trying to trade somebody like Eberle for Victor Hedman. The lightning are quite weak on the right side especially since Martin St Louis is getting old. What does the nation think it would take to get Hedman or if the oilers should even try?

Hedman doesn't really excite me in the same way that other top defensemen do, maybe it's because he isn't a household name, but maybe because he isn't as good as the players that most of us are interested in. Also, why would Stevie-Y do that?

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#10 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 04:50PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I think that while MacTavish should take some of the blame for a lost season, I don't think anyone was expecting that Dubnyk would crumble behind the team. By the time he finally got his legs under him, it was too late; the entire team lost their confidence. My point is that Mac-T has actually done a pretty good job as GM, and I'm excited to see what he does this offseason.

IN MAC-T WE TRUST

Some of us have been saying Dubnyk was not a starter for years now.

Mac-T saw the problem tried to fix the problem and failed.That is on him.

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#11 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 05:08PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Some of us have been saying Dubnyk was not a starter for years now.

Mac-T saw the problem tried to fix the problem and failed.That is on him.

Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

He tried to get Schneider and Gillis played hardball. Good for Mac-T not overpaying.

He tried to get Bernier and Nonis outbid us by overpaying.

Also, did you foresee Dubnyk falling flat on his face this season after posting a save % of .914 or higher the three years before?

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#12 John
February 25 2014, 05:14PM
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I am not expecting anything even close to what Oilernation would perceive as good value for the players the Oil will probably be offering up; namely Hemsky, Gagner, N.Schultz, Jones. Besides the fact that this fanbase over values their players, maybe more than most (due to desperately needing to believe that there is more to this team than 3 or 4 players), there are simply more attractive options available to perspective buyers; many who provide more tangibles at a similar price.

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#13 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 05:22PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

He tried to get Schneider and Gillis played hardball. Good for Mac-T not overpaying.

He tried to get Bernier and Nonis outbid us by overpaying.

Also, did you foresee Dubnyk falling flat on his face this season after posting a save % of .914 or higher the three years before?

Yes, yes I did.From October 12 2013, 08:58PM If it was my job to find a goalie at this point in the season I would look at teams with two good goalies.There are a few out there and try to trade for their second choice in net.A younger goalie with some possible upside.It would cost to much to get the elite goalie at this point in the season.For more then a year now I have been saying the team needs a good young goalie to push Dubnyk.When they brought in LaBarbera it was disappointing.

Many times I have stated Dubnyk was not the answer.Last summer Mac-T needed to get a young goalie to push Dubnyk , instead he signed his work out buddy,Fail.

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#14 Oilerfan
February 25 2014, 05:28PM
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Shorter MacT: "Nobody's offering us anything for our crappy players." #managingexpectations

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#15 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 05:30PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yes, yes I did.From October 12 2013, 08:58PM If it was my job to find a goalie at this point in the season I would look at teams with two good goalies.There are a few out there and try to trade for their second choice in net.A younger goalie with some possible upside.It would cost to much to get the elite goalie at this point in the season.For more then a year now I have been saying the team needs a good young goalie to push Dubnyk.When they brought in LaBarbera it was disappointing.

Many times I have stated Dubnyk was not the answer.Last summer Mac-T needed to get a young goalie to push Dubnyk , instead he signed his work out buddy,Fail.

I don't even know how I can argue with you then. You obviously have some sort of telepathic powers unheard of.

Unlike you I can't see the future, and Dubnyk at the very least gave me some reasonable suspicion that he could at least be an adequate starter in the NHL.

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#16 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 05:31PM
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Oilerfan wrote:

Shorter MacT: "Nobody's offering us anything for our crappy players." #managingexpectations

In memory of Harold Ramis :

"That's a fact jack!"

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#17 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 05:32PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I don't even know how I can argue with you then. You obviously have some sort of telepathic powers unheard of.

Unlike you I can't see the future, and Dubnyk at the very least gave me some reasonable suspicion that he could at least be an adequate starter in the NHL.

No telepathic powers I just know hockey better then you.

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#18 **
February 25 2014, 05:32PM
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This team is a mess

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#19 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 05:34PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yes, yes I did.From October 12 2013, 08:58PM If it was my job to find a goalie at this point in the season I would look at teams with two good goalies.There are a few out there and try to trade for their second choice in net.A younger goalie with some possible upside.It would cost to much to get the elite goalie at this point in the season.For more then a year now I have been saying the team needs a good young goalie to push Dubnyk.When they brought in LaBarbera it was disappointing.

Many times I have stated Dubnyk was not the answer.Last summer Mac-T needed to get a young goalie to push Dubnyk , instead he signed his work out buddy,Fail.

I also see in your comment that you wrote that on October 12. At this point, Dubnyk had already pooped the bed in 4 games, including the fans being upset fresh after the loss against Toronto, which was arguably his worst game of the season.

Like I said before, hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

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#20 Spydyr
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A mess yes.

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#21 Spydyr
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I also see in your comment that you wrote that on October 12. At this point, Dubnyk had already pooped the bed in 4 games, including the fans being upset fresh after the loss against Toronto, which was arguably his worst game of the season.

Like I said before, hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it?

"For more then a year now I have been saying the team needs a good young goalie to push Dubnyk.When they brought in LaBarbera it was disappointing."

Did you miss that part?

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#22 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 05:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

"For more then a year now I have been saying the team needs a good young goalie to push Dubnyk.When they brought in LaBarbera it was disappointing."

Did you miss that part?

Well my point in my original comment was that MacT has done a pretty good job with the team despite the standings, and if Dubnyk played the way he did the 3 seasons prior, I believe Edmonton could be close to a playoff spot right now.

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#23 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 05:47PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Well my point in my original comment was that MacT has done a pretty good job with the team despite the standings, and if Dubnyk played the way he did the 3 seasons prior, I believe Edmonton could be close to a playoff spot right now.

Now that made me laugh out loud.The Oilers are 17 points of a playoff spot. The best goalie ever would not have made the team 17 points.

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#24 Dave
February 25 2014, 05:53PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I think that while MacTavish should take some of the blame for a lost season, I don't think anyone was expecting that Dubnyk would crumble behind the team. By the time he finally got his legs under him, it was too late; the entire team lost their confidence. My point is that Mac-T has actually done a pretty good job as GM, and I'm excited to see what he does this offseason.

IN MAC-T WE TRUST

OK what about the Gagner contract? Hiring a rookie coach for a rookie team?

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#25 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 06:02PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Now that made me laugh out loud.The Oilers are 17 points of a playoff spot. The best goalie ever would not have made the team 17 points.

What you need to realize is that these players are human, they aren't robots in NHL 14 who play to their very highest caliber without having any sort of confidence loss after losing.

At the start of the season the Oilers were playing well. They were outshooting their opponents and they were playing with some swagger. Unfortunaltely, Dubnyk's terrible goaltending counterbalanced the players' strong play. Now how could you expect these players to keep putting up the amount of goals that they did when they knew it wouldn't matter because Dubnyk would just let in more anyways? Once the losses started to pile up, their confidence went into the sewer. By the time Dubnyk finally started to play alright, the damage was already done and the players gave up.

It wasn't a matter of Dubnyk "making up 17 points for Edmonton". It was a matter of the Oilers having confidence in themselves that they could actually walk into a game with a fighting chance to win. And with the 60 games that they've played, I think that Edmonton could have been close to a playoff spot had Dubnyk not let the team down right off the bat.

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#26 westcoastoil
February 25 2014, 06:05PM
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zoolander wrote:

Would the oilers consider trying to trade somebody like Eberle for Victor Hedman. The lightning are quite weak on the right side especially since Martin St Louis is getting old. What does the nation think it would take to get Hedman or if the oilers should even try?

I'd make that trade in heartbeat, no chance Stevie Y does. Hedman is going to be a #1D for the next 15 years.

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#27 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 06:08PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

What you need to realize is that these players are human, they aren't robots in NHL 14 who play to their very highest caliber without having any sort of confidence loss after losing.

At the start of the season the Oilers were playing well. They were outshooting their opponents and they were playing with some swagger. Unfortunaltely, Dubnyk's terrible goaltending counterbalanced the players' strong play. Now how could you expect these players to keep putting up the amount of goals that they did when they knew it wouldn't matter because Dubnyk would just let in more anyways? Once the losses started to pile up, their confidence went into the sewer. By the time Dubnyk finally started to play alright, the damage was already done and the players gave up.

It wasn't a matter of Dubnyk "making up 17 points for Edmonton". It was a matter of the Oilers having confidence in themselves that they could actually walk into a game with a fighting chance to win. And with the 60 games that they've played, I think that Edmonton could have been close to a playoff spot had Dubnyk not let the team down right off the bat.

So you are saying "the players gave up" because their goalie "let them down"

Well it does explain eight years outside the playoffs.

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#28 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 06:12PM
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Dave wrote:

OK what about the Gagner contract? Hiring a rookie coach for a rookie team?

The jury is out on Eakins, he's brought both good and bad to the team. To suggest that the main reason Edmonton is where they are is because of Eakins is just asinine.

The Gagner contract was a mistake, but his hands were tied since there was nobody to replace him.

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#29 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 06:16PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

The jury is out on Eakins, he's brought both good and bad to the team. To suggest that the main reason Edmonton is where they are is because of Eakins is just asinine.

The Gagner contract was a mistake, but his hands were tied since there was nobody to replace him.

I'm going to use my amazing powers of foresight and say right now Eakins is not the answer for this team.

The only reason he will not be replaced this summer is he is Mac-T's pick.

He will not make it through the summer after.

A veteran coach will be brought in.

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#30 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 06:17PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you are saying "the players gave up" because their goalie "let them down"

Well it does explain eight years outside the playoffs.

Put yourself in the Oilers' shoes. You're playing on a team where absolutely nothing has gone right. And you feel like maybe this year will be it; this year you're going to the promised land.

And then almost like clockwork, you find yourself in the basement again.

Are you seriously suggesting that you would be completely unfazed by this? Are you saying that you would be able to play 100% knowing that no matter what you did the outcome would be the same?

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#31 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 06:22PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Put yourself in the Oilers' shoes. You're playing on a team where absolutely nothing has gone right. And you feel like maybe this year will be it; this year you're going to the promised land.

And then almost like clockwork, you find yourself in the basement again.

Are you seriously suggesting that you would be completely unfazed by this? Are you saying that you would be able to play 100% knowing that no matter what you did the outcome would be the same?

I'm saying losers quit.Winners fight through adversity.Losing has become too easy here. It is expected and acceptable.

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#32 pkam
February 25 2014, 06:23PM
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Dave wrote:

OK what about the Gagner contract? Hiring a rookie coach for a rookie team?

There were 3 major signing of center this off season.

1st, Tampa signed Valtteri Filppula to 5 years at 5M/year. Detroit signed Stephen Weiss to 5 years at 4.9M/year. Filppula only had one season over 40 pts. Best season for Weiss was 61 pts. Both players are about 30 years old, they both are at their prime so they won't get any better and are about to go downhill soon. What would you say if MacT signed those 2 contracts?

Rookie coach for a rookie team? Didn't Ray Shero hire Dan Bylsma in 2008 to coach the young Penguins?

Looks like Ken Holland, Steve Yzerman, and Ray Shero are not any better than MacT.

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#33 westcoastoil
February 25 2014, 06:35PM
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pkam wrote:

There were 3 major signing of center this off season.

1st, Tampa signed Valtteri Filppula to 5 years at 5M/year. Detroit signed Stephen Weiss to 5 years at 4.9M/year. Filppula only had one season over 40 pts. Best season for Weiss was 61 pts. Both players are about 30 years old, they both are at their prime so they won't get any better and are about to go downhill soon. What would you say if MacT signed those 2 contracts?

Rookie coach for a rookie team? Didn't Ray Shero hire Dan Bylsma in 2008 to coach the young Penguins?

Looks like Ken Holland, Steve Yzerman, and Ray Shero are not any better than MacT.

It's important to remember that Gagner had the option to go to arbitration take a 1 year deal and then be a UFA this summer (thanks Tambi). If he had gone that route Murphy's Law says meathead in Van. doesn't break his jaw and he pops 50+ points this season. In which case the team would still be out of the playoffs, but close enough (perhaps) that everyone would be agonizing over selling off at the deadline and the negative effect of not believing in the team and giving them a chance to squeak in blah, blah, blah.

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#34 T__Bone88
February 25 2014, 06:50PM
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MacT isn't wrong in that the players the Oilers have to offer are in the secondary market. There are at least five forwards ahead of Hemsky that are available Moulson, Callahan, Vanek, Cammalleri and Ott. After those players are traded the Oilers might get a desperate team but I highly doubt it.

I can't believe that some people are expecting that the Oilers will magically be a better team after the deadline. No one in the playoff picture trades proven players. That is why it's better to hold onto Gagner and make a trade at the draft when it's easier to acquire roster players instead of just picks.

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#35 T__Bone88
February 25 2014, 06:50PM
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MacT isn't wrong in that the players the Oilers have to offer are in the secondary market. There are at least five forwards ahead of Hemsky that are available Moulson, Callahan, Vanek, Cammalleri and Ott. After those players are traded the Oilers might get a desperate team but I highly doubt it.

I can't believe that some people are expecting that the Oilers will magically be a better team after the deadline. No one in the playoff picture trades proven players. That is why it's better to hold onto Gagner and make a trade at the draft when it's easier to acquire roster players instead of just picks.

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#36 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 25 2014, 06:54PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I don't even know how I can argue with you then. You obviously have some sort of telepathic powers unheard of.

Unlike you I can't see the future, and Dubnyk at the very least gave me some reasonable suspicion that he could at least be an adequate starter in the NHL.

Spyder did make the call on Dubnyk when he says he did. He's been pounding the move Dubnyk message here for a couple of seasons.

Like you Taylor Gang, I was in the camp that thought Dubnyk might work out prior to the start of this season. But Spyder ( and a few others) were right....gotta give credit where credit is due.

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#37 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 06:57PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Spyder did make the call on Dubnyk when he says he did. He's been pounding the move Dubnyk message here for a couple of seasons.

Like you Taylor Gang, I was in the camp that thought Dubnyk might work out prior to the start of this season. But Spyder ( and a few others) were right....gotta give credit where credit is due.

Thanks ORG.

Just don't get me started on Gagner.

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#38 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 25 2014, 07:00PM
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When MacT talks about getting his second and third round picks back man I hope he's talking about Smitty and Jones and Nick Schultz.......and not about Hemsky.

Hemsky for a prospect or a late first rounder 25 to 30th pick range.

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#39 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 07:03PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

When MacT talks about getting his second and third round picks back man I hope he's talking about Smitty and Jones and Nick Schultz.......and not about Hemsky.

Hemsky for a prospect or a late first rounder 25 to 30th pick range.

Hemsky for a third rounder would just be sad.

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#40 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 25 2014, 07:04PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Thanks ORG.

Just don't get me started on Gagner.

I've been with you all the way on the trade Gagner deal....with the exception of a couple of weeks about a year ago where David S had me believing we should keep Gagner........what the hell was I smoking for those 14 days?

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#41 Bucknuck
February 25 2014, 07:05PM
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I love all this hindsight bashing of MacT.

You can't hang Gagner on him, who knows what kind of season Gagner might have had if he hadn't had his face busted up.

Goaltending? He tried to fix it, but no one predicted Dubnyk would be THAT bad... until four games in of course.

hiring Eakins? The jury is still out on that, though his comments about Yak have made me doubt him a little. Time will tell.

I can't be too mad... not like I was with Tambellini. He's not sitting on his hands, and yet he hasn't given away the farm either. Pajaarvi for Perron was a great trade, as was the Scrivens trade (IF THEY SIGN HIM). Ference was a good addition. The team seems to be heading in the right direction.

I still trust MacT.

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#42 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 07:06PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I've been with you all the way on the trade Gagner deal....with the exception of a couple of weeks about a year ago where David S had me believing we should keep Gagner........what the hell was I smoking for those 14 days?

That eight point anomaly fooled many people.Take that game out and his stats are that much worse.

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#43 Bucknuck
February 25 2014, 07:09PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

A lot of people wanted to move Dubnyk and get something else. I think MacT wanted to as well. It wasn't exactly a minority opinion, neither is the "trade Gagner" idea.

I wish Gagner wouldn't have been hurt so we wouldn't have any more excuses. as it is he isn't worth much in a trade, but he could be one of those 60 point guys who consistently bites this team in the a$$ (like Arnott). I just wonder "what mighta been" if the guy would have had an intact face to start the season.

I really don't like Kassian.

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#44 Taylor Gang
February 25 2014, 07:09PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I love all this hindsight bashing of MacT.

You can't hang Gagner on him, who knows what kind of season Gagner might have had if he hadn't had his face busted up.

Goaltending? He tried to fix it, but no one predicted Dubnyk would be THAT bad... until four games in of course.

hiring Eakins? The jury is still out on that, though his comments about Yak have made me doubt him a little. Time will tell.

I can't be too mad... not like I was with Tambellini. He's not sitting on his hands, and yet he hasn't given away the farm either. Pajaarvi for Perron was a great trade, as was the Scrivens trade (IF THEY SIGN HIM). Ference was a good addition. The team seems to be heading in the right direction.

I still trust MacT.

I've been saying this the whole time!

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#45 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 25 2014, 07:12PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Hemsky for a third rounder would just be sad.

If ONLY ONE of Gagner or Hemsky got moved, I would rather see Gagner moved than Hemsky. (assuming a higher return for Gags)

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#46 jtkj
February 25 2014, 07:14PM
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@Will

Yeah love samuelsson, almost worth trying to pry him out of Phoenix anyways

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#47 bazmagoo
February 25 2014, 07:15PM
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Hemmer, Larsen, Jones, Potter, N Schultz, Belov, Joensuu likely on the trading block. Will be great to get another look at Lander, Arcobello, Fedun, Pitlick, Klefbom, Horak, Hamilton before the season is up.

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#48 Spydyr
February 25 2014, 07:16PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

If ONLY ONE of Gagner or Hemsky got moved, I would rather see Gagner moved than Hemsky. (assuming a higher return for Gags)

Me too but the only problem is Hemsky is UFA he has to be moved or signed. It is not like they need him for a playoff run.

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#49 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 25 2014, 07:18PM
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@Bucknuck

Hey Bucknuck, I am a big Fan of MacT, as a player, a coach, and now a GM. His record in all three positions is fine by me. He just sounds intelligent to me. I always liked listening to his post game interviews as a coach. Straight talk , no cliches.

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#50 Rick Stroppel
February 25 2014, 07:20PM
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Spydyr wrote:

No telepathic powers I just know hockey better then you.

MUST BE A BURDEN TO BE SO SMART

Spydr: We know grammar better THAN you.

PS: You made the same grade school mistake in post # 21.

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