Trading Sam Gagner to the Los Angeles Kings Would Likely be a Mistake

Jonathan Willis
February 05 2014 09:33PM

Everybody and their dog seems to want the Edmonton Oilers to move Sam Gagner for whatever the team can get and the sooner the better. That’s why comments by Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliotte Friedman suggesting the Los Angeles Kings had serious interest in Gagner have attracted significant attention in Edmonton.

Clifford & Nolan

Bob Stauffer of Oilers Now was asked on Wednesday’s show about the Gagner rumours. He said the return was “going to be a guy like a [Kyle] Clifford or a [Jordan] Nolan or a [Dwight] King,” and that “there’s going to be a financial component involved” in this scenario, hinting that the Oilers would be retaining salary in the deal.

Let’s look at those players. Among Kings forwards with more than 20 games played, Clifford ranks 12th in even-strength ice-time per game and Nolan ranks 13th. Neither of them kills penalties. Basically, they’re both big, young fourth-liners who contribute almost nothing beyond a physical game. The Oilers have some experience grabbing fourth-liner off high-end teams – guys like Colin Fraser and Ben Eager. Those guys looked great in Chicago, and looked terrible in Edmonton.

Would Clifford or Nolan be an upgrade on, say, Jesse Joensuu? Absolutely. Are they going to play top-nine minutes? Probably not. Nolan couldn’t score in the AHL, and Clifford had 28 points in the OHL in his draft year. They’re fourth-line guys.

If Luke Gazdic and Jesse Joensuu and Teemu Hartikainen and Lennart Petrell and Ben Eager and all the rest of the big forwards the Oilers have run through their fourth line show anything, it’s that adding a big, physical guy to the bottom of the roster doesn’t do anything to fix the problems in the top-six. So trading a guy like Gagner, who has problems but is a proven NHL scorer, for a younger version of Ben Eager or a better version of Luke Gazdic is kind of a stupid thing to do.

Dwight King

Dwight King is a better player, but he’s also a guy who had 17 points in 28 AHL games last year and had 33 in 79 AHL games two seasons ago. He has 23 points this season, playing primarily with Anze Kopitar and Jeff Carter. He’s a big (6’4”, 230 pounds), young (he turns 25 this summer) left wing that can play top-nine minutes and kill penalties and add a physical presence. If the Oilers are moving Gagner for a forward, that’s the guy who the Kings might be willing to move and who is in the same value-range.

Now, the problems. If Gagner goes, that means Edmonton is relying on a Mark Arcobello or Anton Lander to play centre on the second line. As a guy who likes both players, I’d enjoy watching that but as an NHL G.M. I wouldn’t be at all comfortable with it. Maybe Gagner needs to be replaced anyway, but moving him for King means that Edmonton now has a second-line centre slot to fill. Is it easier to add a guy like King in free agency, or a guy like Gagner? If the Oilers need a big guy who can be plugged in on the second line, they can sign a Nikolai Kulemin or David Moss in the summer. There simply aren't second-line centres available, unless they can somehow talk Paul Stastny into moving to Edmonton. 

The second problem is salary. Sam Gagner has this season and two more with a $4.8 million cap hit. King has this season and one more at $750,000. So Edmonton would need to take another contract back, and probably need to eat half of Gagner’s contract. Yes, the salary cap is going up but this is also an Oilers team that needs to add significantly on defence and on the third line; spending $2.4 million for the next two seasons so that L.A. can have a cheap Gagner seems misguided.

I like King a lot, and he’s a nice fit for Edmonton. He’s just not a nice enough fit to justify dumping Gagner and retain half his salary in the process. Toss Jake Muzzin or Tyler Toffoli in, and there might be something to think about – but it’s not likely that the Kings are going to do that. 

Recently by Jonathan Willis

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#151 A-Mc
February 06 2014, 11:11AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers
Zamboni Driver wrote:

Okay, Gagner will score more probably.

Don't you think the Oilers need something slightly different from what they have?

Because they have a LOT of the same thing.

You're right and yes i do think we need something different.

I just think the Gagner for King is a clear mismatch in value and we'd be on the losing end of it.

Maybe Gagner for king AND clifford? That looks a little better to me, but it still feels like we're getting spare parts to some degree.

Avatar
#152 Sal-Sational
February 06 2014, 11:34AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
11
cheers
Shifty203 wrote:

Yay! Lets trade our second line center, with no one challanging for the position, for a 4th line winger, and retain half the salary! Awesome plan for keeping infinibuild going!

He's not a 2nd line center... Arcobello did a better job (winning face-offs, Defensive zone coverage, Hit, Compete) when Gags was injured and instead of being rewared he got sent to the minors.. just count how many times Gagner turns the puck over and fails to clear the zone tonight... us Oiler fans LOVE to over value our trash.

Avatar
#153 A-Mc
February 06 2014, 11:38AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

Gagner has negative value. If the oil could just make him and his contract disappear they would be better off. So if they get "spare parts" back for very little money then it is a win for the oil.

Ya i dont agree, so there is no way we can discuss Mr Samwise.

The only problem with Sam is that he doesnt fit what this team needs badly. That's a far cry from "negative" value.

The cap is going up folks - Players like Callahan are looking to make ~7mill/yr. Gagner is NOT Callahan, but you can see how the $/value ratio is about to get ugly.

4.8 for samwise isn't a big deal and isn't preventing the team from signing good players.

Avatar
#154 pkam
February 06 2014, 12:03PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

Gagner has negative value. If the oil could just make him and his contract disappear they would be better off. So if they get "spare parts" back for very little money then it is a win for the oil.

How about Stephen Weiss?

Ken Holland just signed him this offseason to a 5 year 4.9M contract to be their 2nd center.

If we can trade our negative asset Gagner straight for a 2nd center from the Wings should be a big win for us, right? Perhaps we should package a pick or a prospect just to sweeten the pot.

I know we shouldn't trust MacT but we should be able to trust Holland, right?

Avatar
#155 Mack Stong
February 06 2014, 12:03PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

Gagner for Kyle Clifford alone is undervaluing on our end.

Gagner for Dwight King is more of an even trade. Both are around the same age, both are producing the same in points granted Gagner has scored the same in points in less games.

If Clifford is the only option then adding Trevor Lewis seems to balance the trade out.

If this is our only option, and if this is the only team putting an offer forward…then King is a more even trade…but Lewis and Clifford is tolerable….

Avatar
#156 michael
February 06 2014, 12:22PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

Mark Spector states that we need to be realistic in our expectations on the return for Sam Gagner.

I'd say that LA has to be realistic what they are offering.

Kyle Clifford? and a 3rd? Not on MacT's watch.I like to get kissed before I get screwed. But wow isn't a trade suppose to be good for both parties?

If what is rumored is the deal.I'd rather do nothing.Stick with the devil you know I say.

Avatar
#157 Zarny
February 06 2014, 01:08PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

Gagner has negative value. If the oil could just make him and his contract disappear they would be better off. So if they get "spare parts" back for very little money then it is a win for the oil.

Negative value?

That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Avatar
#158 GriffCity
February 06 2014, 01:27PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

Gagner to CBJ for Nikita Nikitin is the song im singing. Columbus already has a very decent 1 & 2 d-men in Johnson and Murray (who thus far has way outplayed Yak) so Nikitin would be a movable piece of the deal was right. CBJ is in the playoff hunt and looking to add scoring depth since they are almost certainly going to try and dump Gaborik at or before the deadline. This is the move the Oilers should look at doing.

Avatar
#159 Spydyr
February 06 2014, 02:11PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

On an epically and consistently bad team like EDM plus minus is an irrelevant stat. Hell, Bobby Orr would have a hard time being a plus player on this team.

Funny Hall is a career -12.That is a long ways form Gagners -58

Avatar
#160 Rod from Viking
February 06 2014, 03:10PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Truth wrote:

2nd line C's

Anaheim - Mathieu Perrault

Buffalo - Cody Hodgson

Calgary - Sean Monohan/Matt Stajan

Chicago - Michael Handzus

Columbus - Artem Anisimov

Dallas - Cody Eakin

Florida - Nick Bjustad

Minnesota - Charlie Coyle (1st) Granlund (2)

Montreal - David Desharnais

Nashville - David Legwand

New Jersey - Travis Zajac

NYI - Frans Nielsen (career year)

Philadelphia - Brayden Schenn

Phoenix - Martin Hanzal

Toronto - Bozak/Kadri

Washington - Casey Wellman

Winnipeg - Mark Scheifele

I have not included the obvious ones (Det, Pit,LA) because Gagner would not be a 2C there, but you can make the case that a healthy Gagner is a better player than all of the above.

I would take Martin Handsel or Brayden Schenn with their physical presence, face off % and two way play in a heartbeat over Mr Gagner.

Avatar
#161 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 03:26PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

Also, no matter who we trade with, unless we are taking back an overpriced contract, we will be eating 1 to 1.5 million of the Gagner contract.

Avatar
#162 Truth
February 06 2014, 04:21PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

Everyone does realize that Gagner has played on the worst performing team in the league for his entire career, right?

The team is -258 in goal differential since he joined the team. Being a plus player on this team for that entire stretch would either a) be a miracle, or b) be a player that plays an extremely limited role.

Avatar
#163 David S
February 06 2014, 08:05PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Al Low wrote:

Ask yourself, would any contender have Gagner in a 2LC spot? Get off his nuts, David S. He's not good enough, even on the Oilers.

From all reports, sounds like cup contender LA Kings are pretty damn interested. Funny how those things go huh?

Avatar
#164 Saytalk
February 06 2014, 08:11PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
9
cheers

Have any of you actually watched Gagner play? Or do you only judge a player by his box scores and how he compares to players from the same draft year (a weak year to boot)?

A small one-dimensional forward who contributes nothing beyond his pedestrian point at a ~0.6 PPG rate. Watch him backcheck in his own zone and you can see what a joke of a player he is. You can say he's bad because he's part of a bad team, but as the current 2C and a veteran among most of the forwards, Gagner is more the cause than the effect of this team's awfulness.

If King is on the table, then I'd make the deal happen, even if it means retaining some salary. Better yet, trade Gagner to the Canucks so we can sabotage their chances of making the playoffs next year.

Avatar
#165 tabs
February 06 2014, 08:45PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
Saytalk wrote:

Have any of you actually watched Gagner play? Or do you only judge a player by his box scores and how he compares to players from the same draft year (a weak year to boot)?

A small one-dimensional forward who contributes nothing beyond his pedestrian point at a ~0.6 PPG rate. Watch him backcheck in his own zone and you can see what a joke of a player he is. You can say he's bad because he's part of a bad team, but as the current 2C and a veteran among most of the forwards, Gagner is more the cause than the effect of this team's awfulness.

If King is on the table, then I'd make the deal happen, even if it means retaining some salary. Better yet, trade Gagner to the Canucks so we can sabotage their chances of making the playoffs next year.

Somebody needed to say it, well said.

Lot of un-knowledgeable posters here.

Avatar
#167 Rod from Viking
February 05 2014, 10:46PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers
Jonathan Willis wrote:

I think a contending team needs to do better than Bolland as its 2C; he'd be a place-holder, just like Gagner is now.

Funny thing about Bolland, too: he's actually the same size as Gagner.

I agree with that but he has a better two way game and has won two cups(I think he knows a little about winning),on a contending team he is a third line center. I would be very happy if the switch flipped on Sam and he became a 200ft player but I don't see that happening, we need a true 2-3 shutdown d man and a true #2 center if this team is going to go anywhere. Do we have any future # 2 centers for prospects? If you don't like Bolland who would you like to see them target?

Avatar
#168 O-Town
February 05 2014, 11:59PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

In my opinion a Gagner trade has to involve Muzzin or else it's definitely a waste of time. My hope would be Muzzin and one of Nolan or Clifford as I think asking for King as well would be asking for too much.

My biggest question is would it be possible for the Oilers to retain 50% of Gagner's salary for part of the contract (say the remainder of this season?) or does that percentage have to be retained for the entire term?

Avatar
#169 admiralmark
February 06 2014, 01:04AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
23
cheers

We need to face it. Gagner at best will get you a good 3rd liner. Thats it. Thats what he's worth in the league right now. Why? Because he has shown to NOT be a capable 2C. He also is NOT the answer for the Oilers as 2C. So what the hell are you supposed to do with him?? You gotta get rid of him and get the best you can. But the fan base is not going to be happy with the return.

The other option which I expect more and more to be how it plays out. Is he stays. The offers are going to be just that pitiful that at the end of the day MacT might just say.. you know what i'm just gonna hang onto him until "hopefully" he can get his head straight, stop crapping the bed so horrendously on the ice and raise his value a little bit? What a mess. This team does not know how to assess what they have quickly enough. And this is what they get.

Avatar
#170 Mack Strong
February 06 2014, 01:49AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
18
cheers
voom04 wrote:

The only way u trade gagner is for a 1-2Dman, if you have to through in a pick/prospect so be it. U fix your defense without trading him and his defensive defiecencies disappear at least marginaly.

There in no team in the NHL that is going to trade their 1-2 D man for Gagner.

Classic overvaluation of our player….

The article we all read is talking about 3rd and 4th line forwards in return for Gags…..

Where did we make the jump to a 1 -2 D man??? Cuz no NHL GM is going to make that jump!!

Avatar
#171 RexHolez
February 06 2014, 07:35AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
17
cheers

I don't care who they trade for what. Just stop being such a pathetic hockey team already, I can't take it anymore

Avatar
#172 Spydyr
February 06 2014, 08:32AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Newj wrote:

What's next from Dave?...probably a video from his 8 pt game.

Time to move away from being the worst GA team in the league. Time to move Sam.

Although I do wonder how Sam will do in Sutter's world of back pressure and finishing checks?

You mentioned Gagner back pressure and finishing checks in the same sentence.

Avatar
#173 j
February 06 2014, 08:45AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
camdog wrote:

Dean Lombardi, is that the same guy that got into that nasty fight with the Oilers a few years back?

A few years back Lombardi got all hot and bothered over Hemsky and ended up with Penner. This season the talk will be Gags and they will end up with Hemsky. Of course that's if they can't get anybody else first.

Seen this soap opera once before...

"...and ended up with Penner."

And won the Cup. I agree - Lombardi has played this game before. Much better than we have. He has fleeced the Oil for Stoll, Greene, Penner to date.

Gagner has value in this league. Every other GM is aware of how poor the team is currently performing and the lack of defensive structure. Sam is 24 years old and has the second highest point total of his draft class. This alone has value. The question is how to maximize this value. I can't see the Oil winning any exchange at this point unless the desperation out there starts to ramp up. There are some teams that are in 'win now' mode so you never know what they are willing to sacrifice but we have to keep a poker face through to the last minute. I think MacT has done a great job on this front. He hasn't mentioned Gagner's name at all.

Avatar
#174 Newj
February 06 2014, 08:53AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Spydyr wrote:

You mentioned Gagner back pressure and finishing checks in the same sentence.

Yup & I'm sure there's video out there to prove it.

It sure as heck wont come from the 3-0 win over SJ. He was atrocious in that game (IMO) Probably got 3rd star from SNET though.

Avatar
#175 A-Mc
February 06 2014, 09:40AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers
G-Unit wrote:

Am I the only person that was underwhelmed by Ekblad at the world juniors? He seemed to be lost on the ice against the better teams, trying to do too much. I think he looks good in a weak draft year and has been noticed since he was allowed to play underage in the OHL. Is it possible that he is a player that peaked ahead of his age group and they are quickly catching up? I would rather trade the pick for a decent number 2 d man.

Did you watch all games? instead of cherry picking the odd game?

I watched them all, and thanks to the pvr, a few times. I think he looked fantastic.

Avatar
#176 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 10:20AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
16
cheers
Jonathan Willis wrote:

Which is why trading him now is likely to be a mistake, unless you trade for another guy in a low ebb season.

Buy low, sell high.

Unfortunately, the Oilers management team has never had the courage or conviction that it takes to sell high. They are both not courageous enough and operating from a position of desperation.

Avatar
#177 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 06 2014, 11:03AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

@A-Mc

I think PIMs don't tell the whole story with the Oilers. They take a lot of stick infractions because they're not moving their feet. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if fully half of Hall's penalties were unsportsmanlikes for beaking at the ref.

Avatar
#178 Al77
February 06 2014, 11:15AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
A-Mc wrote:

I'm almost angry at the prospect of a Gagner for Clifford move. Clifford is a clear 4th liner. I can't see any way that the deal makes sense for us.

I agree,but the oil have a love for these type of players,the problem is they don't target top six players in this mode I.e Simmonds,Marcus Foligno!

Avatar
#179 Tikkanese
February 06 2014, 12:03PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers

I hate to burst people's bubbles but Arcobello is not a 2C either. He's arguably/probably an improvement over the current version of Gagner right now but won't be when Gagner returns to his old self, which is probably next year. Yes, even the "good" version of Gagner needs to play better defensively as well but that is not the point.

The Oilers' only strengths in the organization are on the Wing and the Defensemen prospects. Trading from a position of weakness(center) for another bottom 6 winger does not help in the slightest. If we want another bottom 6 winger, and I don't see why they would, we can always call up Ben Eager or Lander and throw him on the wing.

If they do trade a Center, namely Gagner, they'd be best to address an actual need, not more bottom 6 wingers. The needs are a top pairing Defenceman, a signed and starting goalie(Scrivens and Bryz are UFAs) or another Center. They'll likely have to throw in more pieces to acquire any of those but that is fine.

Also as JW stated, not much point in selling low unless you are getting something similar in return. Mike Richards has 1 goal all season and is a Center with a big contract. I'm sure the Oilers would have to sweeten the pot significantly but that is just one plausible swap. Voynov is another name I've heard in these LA rumours that would be great for the Oilers.

Avatar
#180 Ed in Edmonton
February 06 2014, 12:54PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

The King's deal might might be as good as it gets for Gags. The Kings are desperate for scoring and might be forced into doing something they wouldn't normally.

The oil fans and media often over value the Oilers players. The fans are fans and is understandable. However, the media should now better, thay are supposed to have some expertise in these matters. How many in the media heralded Hemsky at 5 million year as a good deal?

Gagner is a marginal 2C (because he is too small and too defensively weak to be played at 3C) getting paid way above his ability. He is exactly what the Oil need to rid themselves of.

Avatar
#181 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:04PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Spydyr wrote:

I don't care how many points he scores. He is a career -58. Yes, plus-minus is not the best stat, but when you are minus year after year it shows something.

Getting a player back that scores less, but is constantly a plus player helps the team more.

On an epically and consistently bad team like EDM plus minus is an irrelevant stat. Hell, Bobby Orr would have a hard time being a plus player on this team.

Avatar
#182 Stamsky Hemkos
February 06 2014, 02:23PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

I'm sick of hearing these lopsided rumors. Frodo is having a poor year but is normally a top 6 forward. Trading him for a 4th line winger is the kind of move that will set this franchise back even further. MacT won't do anything that foolish. Lombardi has already fleeced us too many times.

Avatar
#183 geeker99
February 06 2014, 02:23PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

I still don't feel like you will get a proper evaluation on many players till meaningful hockey is played. Watching the Kings in the playoffs the last couple of years saying to a buddy "thats the type of player this club needs".(King, Nolan and Clifford) I have a feeling if they come here and we are not competitive they will turn into Penner. wicked circle with the oil and it's gonna take something special to break it. I am so sick of waiting fofr meaningful hockey I say try anything.

Avatar
#184 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 02:42PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

exactly. Have they ever sold High? Paajarvi maybe?

Agreed. Paajarvi maybe.

Avatar
#185 Rod from Viking
February 06 2014, 03:07PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

obviously there are bigger issues.

However Hendricks is an overpay. And every dollar off of the cap hurts as does the loss of a roster spot.

Cap inflation is not a sure thing given exchange rates and the continued softness of the US economy.

And Nashville couldn't unload him on any other team, what makes you think a year from now when he's in the AHL anyone is going to give up a pick for him?

Gord, I usually agree but not this time, this team needs some gritty players that will protect the skill guys and hold others accountable until the Mitch Moroz/Kyle Chase/Darnell Nurse get here, is it not ideal and neither is the Ference contract but it is essential to building a "team".

Avatar
#186 Cubsfan
February 06 2014, 03:09PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

Everyone says the Oilers are dealing from a position of weaknes...sure they are but, their fate is sealed:

1. LA Knings can not score....they are desperate.....i would argue they are also in a weak position

2 Sure Gagne has a big contract.....but with the Cap moving up quite a bit next year, his contract is proportionally less of a noose around the organisations neck

3 I still dont think hes quite right since the broken jaw

4. If he goes to LA and plays with those big bodies and has some room, and get feeds from their D-men, we'll all be wondering how MacT go robbed and we'll want him fired for doing tis dumb deal.....Cogliano is benifiting

I just think the oilers should do the trade after the year during free agency.....or they should realize, that other team are in a WORSE postion of weakness than they are

Avatar
#187 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 03:20PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

Heard on radio show that LA has requested Gagner's health records. Not sure of the source.

Avatar
#188 Rod from Viking
February 06 2014, 03:43PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

It is sure easy to tell which posters actually played the game and who looks up stats to justify their usually weak arguments.

Avatar
#189 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 04:41PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

I think Gagner's fate will be determined at the draft. If the Oilers get Ekblad they will hang on to Gagner for at least one more year. If the Oilers get a center at the draft they move Arco or a fee agent to #2 C role and play the rookie centre on third or fourth line. Gagner gets dealt as part of a package for a # 2 Dman.

I say this because I firmly believe that Oilers management is focused on a longer time horizon than many here would like.

Avatar
#190 big slick
February 06 2014, 05:42PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
8
cheers

If you are going to trade Gagner, wait until June and then trade him for the best d-man possible. Then draft best center possible for #2C spot. Oilers are winger rich, d-man poor, Center poor (#2 AND #4 if you trade Gagner, and goalie poor. Trading Gagner, at a discount because he has had a tough year, for a winger does not make sense unless you are getting a top 4 winger. That top 4 winger is not coming in a trade deadline deal unless you are trading with another non-playoff team.

Avatar
#191 The Soup Fascist
February 06 2014, 07:13PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers
Serious Gord wrote:

Negative Value is not a difficult concept. If they are delivering less than they are getting paid - they have negative value.

Could the oil - if they had the 5 mill and the roster spot - find a better player than gagner? Given time - absolutely.

Comparing Getzlaf to Gagner via just points is ridiculous and does little to enlighten the discussion.

For the love of God .... er .... Gord. How can you try to sell this with a straight face ? "Negative Value" ????

For whatever category you set - let's say forwards making 4.5 to 5 million per year using whatever criteria you use - at some point there is an average where there is an expectation that if you are above the line you are outperforming the contract. If you are below the average you are under performing.

By your definition HALF THE PLAYERS IN THE FREAKING LEAGUE HAVE A NEGATIVE VALUE. Yet you would like everyone to believe Gagner is the only guy in the league with a questionable contract.

Clearly many don't think Gagner is a suitable 2C for this team. I don't disagree given the team's make up and Gagner's strengths and weaknesses. But for all the haters, sorry, Sam Gagner is an honest to God ... er .... Gord NHL forward. A very skilled, but flawed player. There is a place for him to succeed in the right setting. To pin the Oilers wows for the last 6.5 years primarily on him is ridiculous. To take the first warm body offered up is moronic.

Avatar
#192 Danger Pay
February 06 2014, 07:57PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
4
cheers

Terrible, terrible, terrible trade...unless Gagner has checked out. Even then I'm sure he'd waive his no- trade and No Way should the Oilers retain any salary. I am sick and tired of the Oilers paying a player to play for another team! I'd rather gamble and showcase Gagner next year.

*I'm talking about the Clifford for Gags and the Oilers retain salary rumour* If there's more to the deal and there better be, I'll update my opinion on it at that time

Avatar
#193 nuge2nail
February 06 2014, 08:07PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers

Oiler Domination To Follow

Draft your future second line center- dump Gagners cap space and make a trade happen. He's too small.

King, Clifford and Muzzin

for

Gagner @2.4 - 2 years.

Avatar
#194 Chris
February 07 2014, 01:07AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

Too bad we didn't trade Gagner after his 8 point night.

Avatar
#195 pkam
February 07 2014, 11:24AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Spydyr wrote:

It is asinine to compare plus minus from players on different teams.

Hall career -12 Gagner career-58

46 point difference

If you cannot tell Gagner is not good defensively nothing anyone can say will change that.

Where did I say Gagner is good defensively?

If you think it is asinine to compare +/- from players on different teams, lets compare +/- from players on same team:

Yakupov -33 in less than 2 season, Sam -68 in 7+ season. So who is worse? So Yakupov has even less value than Gagner?

Leafs: Kessel -37, Bozak -38, Lupul - 54, Kulemin -3, so Kessel, Bozak, and Lupul are not good defensively, do you think Kessel, Bozak, and Lupul worth nothing?

Islanders: Taveres -43, Nielsen -5, Nielsen is obviously better defensively than Taveres so perhaps the Islanders should let Taveres go and keep Nielsen?

Avatar
#196 Woodguy
February 05 2014, 10:26PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
16
cheers
Smokey wrote:

Kings had a small fiester winger/center by the name of Mike Cammalleri they dumped a few years ago when they were crap. Why would they want Sam Gagner? Why do they even need him? Who makes this stuff up?

Bob MacKenzie from TSN was the first to mention Gagner to the Kings.

Take it up with him.

Avatar
#200 bwar
February 06 2014, 12:50AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
26
cheers

Eating Gagner's salary would be a mistake but moving him out of town would not. I don't see the downside to having Arcobello/Lander split the 2C duties for the rest of the season. Arco has shown he can hang and has way more heart than Gagner. Lander hasn't really had any NHL opportunities in the top 6, 5-6 game as the 2C isn't going to hurt our playoff chances and might give the team a glimpse of what sort of top end potential Lander really has.

Comments are closed for this article.