GDB 59.0: A NEW FORMULA

Jason Gregor
February 06 2014 12:35PM

In theory, outshooting the opposition will increase your chances of success, but for short windows that isn't always the case. The Oilers are 4-3-1 in their last eight games. In the five games they picked up at least one point they were out shot 204-124. They gave up 16 more shots per game (40.8-24.8), but they got nine of a possible ten points.

In the three losses they outshot their opponents twice, 58-56, leaving the loss to Boston as the only game where getting outshot meant a loss.

The Oilers are bucking the shooting trend lately and seeing success, so maybe they should continue to do so, considering how well it has worked for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

For the past two seasons the Maple Leafs have continually been outshot, yet they win more than they lose, much to the chagrin of those who believe strongly in Corsi. Outshooting the opponents increases your chances of winning, unless you are the Maple Leafs.

In 58 games this season the Leafs have outshot their opponents a measly nine times and once they were tied in shots. In those ten games, the Leafs are 5-5. In the 48 games they've been outshot they are 25-17-6. For reasons unexplained their chance of success increases when they get outshot.

In 48 games last year they fired more shots than their opponent 11 times, but they had a losing record, 5-6, in those games. During the 37 games that they were outshot they went 21-11-5. Our friend Cam Charron over at Leafsnation is constantly befuddled and in awe of the trend setting Maple Leafs.

During their last 106 games they've been outshot, or tied, with the opposition 21 times. They picked up 20 points.
They were outshot in the other 85 games but they skated away with a total of 103 points.

They even continued that trend in the playoffs. They lost both games where they outshot the Bruins, but went 3-2 in the game the Bruins fired more pucks on goal.

The Oilers have two former Maple Leafs coaches on their bench, and now they have Ben Scrivens and Mark Fraser in the lineup. Maybe the Oilers are trying to become the Maple Leafs of the west; buck the shooting trend and win.

I know it is an incredibly small sample size, and the Oilers don't have a 47-year Stanley Cup drought to counter their lucky streak, but they do have the longest active streak, 8 years, with no playoffs and their Cup drought is just over half as long as the Leafs, 24. Could a get-out-shot-and-win strategy really be that bad of an idea?

I don't see why not. What's the worst thing that could happen? They stay in 29th place.

All joking aside, the Oilers have won four of their last five and the players, coaches and fans should take an ugly win over a "solid effort" loss any day. 

Seriously though, would you really care if the Oilers kept getting outshot, but went 46-28-11?

RANGERS...

The Rangers are one of those ~ boring ~ teams that consistently outshot their opponents on home ice. In 30 home games, the Rangers have only been oushot five times; however, they are only 14-13-3 at Madison Square Gardens.

Tonight could be the perfect storm for the Oilers. They face a team that likes to outshoot their opponents, but has limited success when they do it. The Rangers are 10-10-1 when firing more shots, 0-2-1 when tied in shots and 4-2 when they get outshot at MSG.

If you are playing the odds, then the Oilers game plan should be to let the Rangers outshoot them.

That might not be that difficult considering the Rangers are playing very well lately, 11-4-1 in 2014, and they are starting to feel comfortable under Alain Vigneaut. The Rangers are playing an up-tempo, fast-paced, aggressive game and it seems to mesh well with their personnel.

LINEUP....

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Fraser-Ference

Scrivens

Scrivens gets his 2nd start of the season at MSG. He made 37 saves in a 1-0 victory on November 17th as a member of the Kings, and he'll look to remain perfect against the Rangers.

Eberle and Yakupov have switched lines so fans get to see a line of all 1st overall picks playing together. Yakupov and Gagner have struggled as a duo, so trying something else makes sense. Jones replaces Joensuu and the defence stays the same.

QUICK HITS...

  • The Oilers and Rangers have almost identical offensive production. The Rangers are 18th in the NHL with 2.58 goals per game, while the Oilers are 19th at 2.55. The difference is goals against. The Rangers are 10th at 2.44 while the Oilers are 30th at 3.34.
     
  • The Oilers have allowed 55 more goals than the Rangers. The Oilers need a good start. They've given up the most goals in the first period, 61, while New York has had great starts in their recent 7-2 hot streak. The Rangers have scored 9 goals in the first period during those seven wins. They have 34 first period goals in their other 50 games combined.
     
  • I like Kyle Clifford as a player. I think he could help the team, but if the Oilers trade Sam Gagner for him and a pick, they will lose the trade. The pick likely will be a 2nd rounder at best, and 15% of 2nd round picks play more than 200 games. The chances of that pick panning out are slim. I understand Gagner has limitations, and his cap hit doesn't help things, but if the Oilers have to eat half or a bit less of his salary, and only get Clifford and a maybe in return, it will be hard to win that trade.

    Clifford did score 28 goals and 57 points in 58 games as a 19-year-old in the OHL, so he does have skill; however, he has 22 goals and 45 points in 253 NHL games. I know he's played essentially on the 4th line, moonlighting a bit on the 3rd and 2nd, but he would need to become one of the biggest surprises ever to become a top-six forward. I realize he would be a complimentary guy and playing with Hall, RNH or Eberle would give him more opportunities to score, but it would still be almost impossible for him to suddenly become a 40-point player.

    Last year, I wrote I'd have offer sheeted him for $1-1.5 million, because the Kings didn't have much cap space, so I do believe he would help, but not at the cost of Gagner and half of Gagner's salary.
     
  • I've said and written in the past I would sacrifice a small forward with 30-goal potential for a bigger body, who is a proven 20-goal man, but who bangs, crashes and battles. But you can't trade a 45-point player for Clifford. His best season was last year 7-7-14 in 48 games, and if you prorate he'd be a 23-point player in 82 games. I have no problem if the Oilers move a skill forward for a big body with a bit less skill, but not half the offensive production.
     
  • Nice to see Marty St.Louis make Team Canada, but I'm curious if he plays or is the 14th forward. Is Matt Duchene still the 14th guy, because he is young, or does he move up and now St.Louis is the extra body? I'm curious to see how Mike Babcock handles that situation.
     
  • Jimmy Fallon is way better than Jay Leno. The tonight show will be much better with Fallon.

TONIGHT...

***Female readers always ask why I only post pictures of attractive women, so to be fair here you go ladies. The best looking man in the NHL.***

GAME DAY PREDICTION: This is a low scoring affair, and the Oilers continue to buck the shooting trend with a 2-1 victory. Gagner scores just to add fuel to the trade speculation.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Rangers outshoot the Oilers. Scrivens has faced an average of 39 shots in his five starts with the Oilers, but tonight he gets an "easier" night facing only 36.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Most fans are more concerned with Gagner trade talk than that game, and they should be. Game 59 in another losing season isn't as juicy as trade rumours. The next 24 hours -- trade freeze starts tomorrow at 1 p.m. MST -- will be fun, but likely not as interesting as the stretch from February 24th to the March 05th trade deadline.

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#1 The Big Dummy
February 06 2014, 12:42PM
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F-it I'll Shoot Tomorrow

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#2 TonyT
February 06 2014, 12:47PM
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I'm really torn on this Gagner deal. Do I think Gagner for Clifford is a good trade? No, that's a loss hands down. However, if that's the best (or only deal) out there, will this team ever be in a position where Gagner is traded for similiar value? I'd argue and the past four seasons (outside of that 8 pt night) have displayed that the answer is no. The question for me then becomes are the Oilers a better team with or without Gagner? As currently constructed, I'd argue the team (outside of trading from the top line) is not better with Gagner.

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#3 Max
February 06 2014, 12:49PM
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Enough of the analysis - same old same old, day in and out. Let's just WIN on a regular basis - PLEASE.

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#4 Dean Belanger
February 06 2014, 12:50PM
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Damn that is a fine looking bastard!

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#5 GB
February 06 2014, 12:54PM
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Gregor, I remember reading and hearing you talk about offer sheeting Clifford in the summer and thought it would have been a smart, bold (well, somewhat) move.

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#6 Wigswag
February 06 2014, 01:05PM
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It would be nice to know if the wins where they were outshot are come from behind wins or sit on a lead wins.

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#7 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:08PM
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TonyT wrote:

I'm really torn on this Gagner deal. Do I think Gagner for Clifford is a good trade? No, that's a loss hands down. However, if that's the best (or only deal) out there, will this team ever be in a position where Gagner is traded for similiar value? I'd argue and the past four seasons (outside of that 8 pt night) have displayed that the answer is no. The question for me then becomes are the Oilers a better team with or without Gagner? As currently constructed, I'd argue the team (outside of trading from the top line) is not better with Gagner.

SO outside his 8 point night he has done nothing else? What about the next game against Detroit? What about the 25 final games of his rookie year?

Gagner may not be the best fit for the team. But trading him and getting a worse player makes this team worse. You may not have a way to win this trade, but there is no harm waiting until draft day when the cap has gone up.

Gagner for Clifford (a terrible hockey player) is a terrible trade.

I agree that he has to go, but the haters need to stop dwelling on low points and the praisers on the high points. There is a hockey palyer there and maye being in a proper organization with some stability Sam will take the next step in his career.

There is no way we can win this trade. But there is no addition by subtraction here (oilers have no center depth, and Arco is temporary fill in). But we dont need to do something right now just to say we did.

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#8 Rob...
February 06 2014, 01:10PM
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Any stories from Struds on how he felt after he retired and passed the torch to Lundqvist?

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#9 ubermiguel
February 06 2014, 01:13PM
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I did some quick number crunching with all the teams in the NHL this year. I looked at the correlation between wins and other stats. The closer to 1, the more the stats move together and there’s a strong chance they are related.

Winning% and shots per game: 0.51

Winning% and shots against per game: 0.46

Winning% and shot differential: 0.63

So it is safe to say a team wins more if they maximize the shots for and minimize the shots against. You correctly identified that the sample size of 5 games and one Leafs team is too small to draw any conclusions.

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#10 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:13PM
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Oilers check list

1. Sign Gagner to one year deal giving him all the leverage for his next contract, (not buying low)

2. Over value Eberle and buy high by signing to an overpaid contract (buying high)

3. Have gagner out perform Eberle lasy year and have reasonable demands for huge contract (buy high)

4. Have Gagner get hurt play poorly and trade for the sake of trading to get another 4th line player because he is big, instead of getting these players for free on the waiver wire. (sell low)

So glad these guys arent managing my money

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#11 YEGFan
February 06 2014, 01:21PM
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I know there hasn't been any buzz about this... but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about an Oilers Rangers trade.

Oilers send: Hemsky (50% retained salary) Gagner Klefbom

Rangers send: Girardi Moore

Both players coming our way are UFAs meaning the Rangers might be willing to deal them, but they address major needs on our team and having the extra time to shower them with money might give us a shot at a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

Hemsky could be useful down the stretch, and would have a high chance of resigning on the cheap, Klefbom would be another cheap defensive prospect benefitting from their system's exceptional capacity to shelter rookies, and Gagner is a forward who can produce in a middle six role.

Is it crazy to think they might move Girardi?

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#12 bazmagoo
February 06 2014, 01:24PM
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In my opinion I'd trade Gags for a signed King with the Oil keeping half of the difference between King's extension and Gagner's salary. Or Gagner for Clifford if no salary is retained. We've been saying it for years now, the Oilers have too many of the same type of player. Shake up the mix and get tougher.

We can't have 2 wingers on that 2nd line who barely play defence with a centre who also barely plays defence. It just doesn't work. It's not about Gagner hate, it's about the make up of the team.

Sign a UFA, give Ladner and Arco the chance to battle for those minutes, anything. But right now the team mix isn't working, so change is needed. Addition through substraction, sorry Gags but you got go!

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#13 brad
February 06 2014, 01:26PM
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Clifford alone for Gagner is not worth it but all the rumors say Clifford + for Gagner, that could quickly become worth it. Add center Dwight King and Dman Jake Muzzin and it is a deal we maybe couldn't say no to.

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#14 Wigswag
February 06 2014, 01:27PM
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Oil win 3 - 1 Yak loves his new linemates and pots 2.

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#15 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 01:37PM
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YEGFan wrote:

I know there hasn't been any buzz about this... but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about an Oilers Rangers trade.

Oilers send: Hemsky (50% retained salary) Gagner Klefbom

Rangers send: Girardi Moore

Both players coming our way are UFAs meaning the Rangers might be willing to deal them, but they address major needs on our team and having the extra time to shower them with money might give us a shot at a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

Hemsky could be useful down the stretch, and would have a high chance of resigning on the cheap, Klefbom would be another cheap defensive prospect benefitting from their system's exceptional capacity to shelter rookies, and Gagner is a forward who can produce in a middle six role.

Is it crazy to think they might move Girardi?

Hemsky to NYR maybe for a pick would make sense if they do wind up trading Callahan out of town.

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#16 TonyT
February 06 2014, 01:41PM
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@They're $hittie

Easy there, I never said he hasn't done anything, but clearly if the best deal they can get for him is Kyle Clifford then that may be how the other 29 GMs see him. I don't think he's a bad player, however I strongly believe this team can not be succesful with him and RNH as their 1-2 Centres. Having said that, does his value go up before the draft? Possibly, Gagner regularly has a strong push to finish the season. In the mean time, I believe Arcobello is an adequate low-cost TEMPORARY replacement.

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#17 bazmagoo
February 06 2014, 01:43PM
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Hoping they can trade Hemsky for an actual prospect. How about Hemmer to Pittsburgh for Despres?

I could see Perron being a positive influence on that young guy. He's hit a bit of a bump in his development this year but he's big, a 1st round pick, and a left sided d-man which Edmonton needs some depth on.

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#18 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 01:45PM
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Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

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#19 BingBong
February 06 2014, 01:47PM
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What do people think about going after Andrew McDonald in the off-season? I haven't seen him play but from what I've read he's been great this year, playing 25 minutes a night on the 1st pairing. He's experienced, UFA, and we need a top pairing guy in the worst way.

We'd have to overpay, but at least this way we get our 1st pairing guy without giving up any assets. And he's still young enough to be a part of the future.

Apparently he's looking for $5M per year for 5-6 years. With what MacT threw at Clarkson this shouldn't be a problem.

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#20 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:55PM
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@TonyT

Granted he has had a bad year.

When you say they cant win with him and RNH do you mean the cup? If so we arent even in the playoffs so why is winning the cup the next step. Gagners value may be low right now and that is why it is stupid to trade him. Get some competant Dman, raise gagners value, wait until we near competitveness and sell high.

Trading Gagner for Clifford is a huge step back.

Can we also say we cant win with both Yak and Eberle on the team?

If these guys were all three years older, had some competent d, and average goaltending there is no reasons they couldnt be competitive with RNH and Gagner. Maybe not top tier but we need to be decent first.

Trading Gagner for a lesser player when this team has no center depth, defense and the season is a wash does nothing to improve the team.

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#21 Bucknuck
February 06 2014, 02:04PM
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i think the Oilers are going to get beaten badly by the rangers today: 7-3.

There... now I hope I am wrong.

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#22 2004Z06
February 06 2014, 02:13PM
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Rumor is possibly Clifford + Martinez for Gagner with some salary retained.

I thought it was reported this morning that Yakupov was playing with Hall and RNH?

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#23 Dog Train
February 06 2014, 02:15PM
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I felt like St. Louis should have made the team to begin with so good for him to be named to the team. Only two more Oilers games before us fans can turn our attention to a team that actually has a chance to win something. Good luck to all Canadian Olympians!

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#24 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:24PM
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Dean Belanger wrote:

Damn that is a fine looking bastard!

Back in the day he would have a face like a hamburger being a goalie and all...

Nowadays goalies are the most likely players to finish their careers unscarred and with all of their teeth.

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#25 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:27PM
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Toronto succeeds despite the GA number being higher than the GF number for two main reasons: Kessel and a couple of the other primary scorers are some of the very best shots in the league. They shoot - they score...

And they have some of the very best goaltending in the league.

EDM has neither of those attributes and thus over the long haul will lose more than they win.

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#26 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:28PM
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GDP: Oil lose 5-2 Nash is a beast and hopefully Hall takes notes...

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#27 Duke
February 06 2014, 02:29PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

I'll tell you who said it.

Tambellini, on several occasions.

Chant it like a mantra.

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#28 Oiler Al
February 06 2014, 02:32PM
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Why would you give a player a $4.8 contract and then several months later decide that all he is worth is a fourth line plugger, who barely score 10 points per year?[ and take back salary]

MacT should be run out of town if he did this deal.

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#29 Shredder
February 06 2014, 02:33PM
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"TRADE GAGNER, he sucks, he's way too small, he's never even hit 50 pts!"

"OK, I'll give you Kyle Clifford."

"NO WAY, I"M KEEPING GAGNER, HE'S A 50 PT GUY, MAYBE MORE"

"Kyle Clifford plus..."

"PLUS WHAT? BETTER BE GOOD, GAGNER IS PART OF THE OFFENSIVE CORE THAT SCORES 60+ PTS EVERY YEAR"

"I dunno, a pick, maybe Dwight King and a low pick"

"FORGET IT, WE LOSE THAT DEAL, GAGNER IS THE BEST PLAYER, AND WHOEVER GETS THE BEST PLAYER WINS THE DEAL"

"...ok, well I dunno then, we're making a run for the cup and we need our players, and we're trying to improve our team here"

"..."

"..."

"MACT SUCKS, HE CAN'T EVEN TRADE GAGNER. GAGNER SUCKS, JUST GIVE HIM AWAY FOR A BAG OF PUCKS. IF MACT WAS ANY GOOD, WE'D HAVE WEBER BY NOW"

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#30 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:34PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

Gagner is as ill-fitted to being a winger as hall is to being a centre. Its been tried several times and fails with out fail.

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#31 Fresh Mess
February 06 2014, 02:37PM
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Gagner basically has negative value for the Oilers right now. I would have no problem with Clifford +pick or King straight across as long as the Oilers don't pick up any of Sam's contract. Just ditching Gagner's contract with out having to take anything else back would almost be a positive for the Oilers right now.

Fallon is annoying as hell. Tries to be too cutesy. The constant singing and dancing gets old. A show for women who like Ellen and Glee.

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#32 Blucifer Copperballs
February 06 2014, 02:43PM
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Wigswag wrote:

It would be nice to know if the wins where they were outshot are come from behind wins or sit on a lead wins.

Interesting. That really would be a great factor to include in the stats.

I would say that no oiler on this years team would have the gall or nerve to "sit" on a lead after maybe game 3 of this season, and they have had some high scoring games this year, so i dont think its sitting on a lead at all.

But that would be an interesting scope to view the shooting stats thru, for any team.

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#33 #ThereGoesTheOilers
February 06 2014, 02:51PM
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What's the rush? Is Gagner going to bring back more now or in the summer? Time will help his value in my estimation.

What if you paired him with a significant prospect like Klefbom (and a pick depending) - now who can you get back? Probably a hell of a lot more than just Clifford.

Hypothetical of course, but I just can't perceive why we'd trade a significant contract for anything short of a significant piece coming back.

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#34 S cottV
February 06 2014, 02:52PM
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If a given team has the right d zone system and executes it well, you would be surprised at how much time can be spent in your own zone - giving up little else than low scoring chance shots.

The kind of system I am talking about would be the opposite of the swarm. Swarm - forces the opposition attack into a turnover, almost like offense on defence. Done properly - you get the forced turnover and move out of your zone on offence. Done improperly - you give up glaring scoring chances.

A more traditional zone coverage system focuses more on patient positioning and taking a turnover when it is more easily or naturally presented to you. Done properly the offence runs out of options or get's impatient - making a high risk offensive move that turns into an easy turnover. Or - they throw the puck on net from an outside position with no damage done. Done properly - you can give up a fair number of outside shots but you rarely give up glaring scoring chances.

To pull it off, you need execution, good goaltending, a d corp that can command things around the net and strong low support centremen that know what they are doing in their own end.

Oilers don't have much of the above, so getting outshot on a consistent basis is probably best avoided...

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#35 gcw_rocks
February 06 2014, 03:00PM
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The deal should be:

Gagner, Klefbom and Hemsky to NJ for Adam Larsson and Adam Henrique.

New Jersey can't score, so they get an offensive boost from Gagner as well as Hemsky as a rental. They also get Klefbom to replace Larsson in thier pipeline.

The Oilers get a strong two-way centre with history playing with Hall and a 6'3" future top pairing defender.

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#36 Spoils
February 06 2014, 03:03PM
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classic strategy - let the other team get tired from beating on you.

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#37 Spoils
February 06 2014, 03:08PM
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I don't think the oil should be trading for picks, they should be trading their picks -

Gagner + our 1st overall next year = what?

Gagner + Pitlick/Lander/Simpson + our 2nd pick = what?

how else do we get a true blue big strong #2C that can take on Smyth's tough blue paint minutes, or a #1 pairing D?

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#38 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 03:08PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

The deal should be:

Gagner, Klefbom and Hemsky to NJ for Adam Larsson and Adam Henrique.

New Jersey can't score, so they get an offensive boost from Gagner as well as Hemsky as a rental. They also get Klefbom to replace Larsson in thier pipeline.

The Oilers get a strong two-way centre with history playing with Hall and a 6'3" future top pairing defender.

Sounds interesting. Plus it would be FOK deal with slats on the NYR side of the deal...

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#39 TonyT
February 06 2014, 03:09PM
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@They're $hittie

When I say it, I mean the Cup (this isn't Vancouver). The owner and management didn't decide the scorched earth route just for the end goal of making the playoffs. I also agree that the team can't win with Yak and Eberle, if you believe that this team is one Chris Pronger away from the playoffs than I strongly disagree. As previously discussed in every blog on this site for the past little while the top 6 is not balanced and do I believe a few years of seasoning will make them a better team? Maybe, when Getzlaf, Perry, Kopitar, Brown, Thornton, Burns, Doan, Hanzal, Sedin, Kesler all retire or get up and switch divisions. Again, I am not advocating for this trade, however if that is the only offer on the table I would at the very least consider it given that I don't believe that top 6 wins the Cup, makes the playoffs, or gets out of the draft lottery even with three years more experience.

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#40 Ales Hallsky
February 06 2014, 03:12PM
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Who Cares...Its like trading your Vladimir Ruziczka o-pee-chee for the other guy's Mariusz Czerkawski

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#41 mlcselli
February 06 2014, 03:13PM
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We all agree that change is necessary. We all agree that we need to be bigger and harder to play against. We all agree that Gagner has been very ineffective this year. We all agree that Gagner hasn't really shown an obvious improvement in the last 7 years with the Oilers. We can't agree on the timing. Is a trade better now, March 5 or over the summer? Do we need to take Clifford and some salary, or is there someone else and we don't eat any salary? Does the trade have to be with the Kings or is there another dance partner? All I know is that whatever and whenever MacT pulls the trigger, we will all agree to disagree on the decision. We are never be satisfied. That's the beauty of being a fan. Tonight, in the city that never sleeps, I hope the Oil take the win. Go Oilers.

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#42 Brad
February 06 2014, 03:42PM
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After 3 #1 picks + + Oilers are going backwards.

Horrible organization.

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#43 Serge
February 06 2014, 03:46PM
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Clifford is a complimentary play, that plays well with great players and a organization that is committed to winning.

Clifford would come to the Oilers end up as a 4th liner. He would hate it here.

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#44 jack
February 06 2014, 03:48PM
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it will probably be garner and someone for clifford green and someone else good, green when in the lineup, la has only won a few games, but we will probably have to take salary back

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#45 jack
February 06 2014, 03:49PM
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sorry gagner (spelling)

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#46 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 04:01PM
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LA is trying to make this trade without giving us a player that can make a big difference to the Oilers, a division rival. They refused to deal Jonathan Bernier to us over the summer and it looks like they were right about that.

So why would the Oilers send the Kings a player who just might be a difference-maker? You want Gagner, I want Slava Voynov.

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#47 fasteddy
February 06 2014, 04:03PM
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You folks are hilarious, you want Gagner to retire and work at Home Depot one minute, and then when there's speculation he may be traded the management are idiots for not getting enough. Maybe time to re-evaluate your lives when the sky is falling no matter what happens.

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#48 NJ
February 06 2014, 04:05PM
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Gagner is a "2B" center. Arcobello is an unproven 2B. Trading Gagner for almost nothing won't help us. It's like watching Souray walk for nothing. We can talk all day about getting rid of the guy but the facts are nobody is gonna fill that spot, unless MacT is looking to the draft for that... And we know how that's worked so far for us right?

I wonder if we could get McKinnon (sp?) out of Colorado for Gagner and Eberle. We eat some of Gagner's contract... But RNH and McKinnon down the middle looks better than our current situation, Hemmer moves us for Eberle and we dump all sorts of salary to sign Nate long term! Just a thought.

Also ... Yak for Jones = win. I'd even go as far as Eberle for Jones. Nashville needs scoring, Jones IS a future #1 D.

Lastly: I think Gagner's NTC, when it kicks in, is fluff. Who wouldn't waive it to get out of Edmonton. Cold hard sucky FACT.

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#49 6 ring circus
February 06 2014, 04:10PM
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Trading for Magic Beans, Oilers management has read Jack and the bean stock to many times,whatever happened to buy low sell high ? In Edmonton it's totally the opposite, know wonder they are a lottery team with decision makers like this.

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#50 DrunkGuyTy
February 06 2014, 04:11PM
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He looks as much like a hockey player as I look like an olympic gymnast. He probably washes the smell out of his equipment regularly and smiles when they take team pictures too. pfft...goalies

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