GDB 59.0: A NEW FORMULA

Jason Gregor
February 06 2014 12:35PM

In theory, outshooting the opposition will increase your chances of success, but for short windows that isn't always the case. The Oilers are 4-3-1 in their last eight games. In the five games they picked up at least one point they were out shot 204-124. They gave up 16 more shots per game (40.8-24.8), but they got nine of a possible ten points.

In the three losses they outshot their opponents twice, 58-56, leaving the loss to Boston as the only game where getting outshot meant a loss.

The Oilers are bucking the shooting trend lately and seeing success, so maybe they should continue to do so, considering how well it has worked for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

For the past two seasons the Maple Leafs have continually been outshot, yet they win more than they lose, much to the chagrin of those who believe strongly in Corsi. Outshooting the opponents increases your chances of winning, unless you are the Maple Leafs.

In 58 games this season the Leafs have outshot their opponents a measly nine times and once they were tied in shots. In those ten games, the Leafs are 5-5. In the 48 games they've been outshot they are 25-17-6. For reasons unexplained their chance of success increases when they get outshot.

In 48 games last year they fired more shots than their opponent 11 times, but they had a losing record, 5-6, in those games. During the 37 games that they were outshot they went 21-11-5. Our friend Cam Charron over at Leafsnation is constantly befuddled and in awe of the trend setting Maple Leafs.

During their last 106 games they've been outshot, or tied, with the opposition 21 times. They picked up 20 points.
They were outshot in the other 85 games but they skated away with a total of 103 points.

They even continued that trend in the playoffs. They lost both games where they outshot the Bruins, but went 3-2 in the game the Bruins fired more pucks on goal.

The Oilers have two former Maple Leafs coaches on their bench, and now they have Ben Scrivens and Mark Fraser in the lineup. Maybe the Oilers are trying to become the Maple Leafs of the west; buck the shooting trend and win.

I know it is an incredibly small sample size, and the Oilers don't have a 47-year Stanley Cup drought to counter their lucky streak, but they do have the longest active streak, 8 years, with no playoffs and their Cup drought is just over half as long as the Leafs, 24. Could a get-out-shot-and-win strategy really be that bad of an idea?

I don't see why not. What's the worst thing that could happen? They stay in 29th place.

All joking aside, the Oilers have won four of their last five and the players, coaches and fans should take an ugly win over a "solid effort" loss any day. 

Seriously though, would you really care if the Oilers kept getting outshot, but went 46-28-11?

RANGERS...

The Rangers are one of those ~ boring ~ teams that consistently outshot their opponents on home ice. In 30 home games, the Rangers have only been oushot five times; however, they are only 14-13-3 at Madison Square Gardens.

Tonight could be the perfect storm for the Oilers. They face a team that likes to outshoot their opponents, but has limited success when they do it. The Rangers are 10-10-1 when firing more shots, 0-2-1 when tied in shots and 4-2 when they get outshot at MSG.

If you are playing the odds, then the Oilers game plan should be to let the Rangers outshoot them.

That might not be that difficult considering the Rangers are playing very well lately, 11-4-1 in 2014, and they are starting to feel comfortable under Alain Vigneaut. The Rangers are playing an up-tempo, fast-paced, aggressive game and it seems to mesh well with their personnel.

LINEUP....

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Fraser-Ference

Scrivens

Scrivens gets his 2nd start of the season at MSG. He made 37 saves in a 1-0 victory on November 17th as a member of the Kings, and he'll look to remain perfect against the Rangers.

Eberle and Yakupov have switched lines so fans get to see a line of all 1st overall picks playing together. Yakupov and Gagner have struggled as a duo, so trying something else makes sense. Jones replaces Joensuu and the defence stays the same.

QUICK HITS...

  • The Oilers and Rangers have almost identical offensive production. The Rangers are 18th in the NHL with 2.58 goals per game, while the Oilers are 19th at 2.55. The difference is goals against. The Rangers are 10th at 2.44 while the Oilers are 30th at 3.34.
     
  • The Oilers have allowed 55 more goals than the Rangers. The Oilers need a good start. They've given up the most goals in the first period, 61, while New York has had great starts in their recent 7-2 hot streak. The Rangers have scored 9 goals in the first period during those seven wins. They have 34 first period goals in their other 50 games combined.
     
  • I like Kyle Clifford as a player. I think he could help the team, but if the Oilers trade Sam Gagner for him and a pick, they will lose the trade. The pick likely will be a 2nd rounder at best, and 15% of 2nd round picks play more than 200 games. The chances of that pick panning out are slim. I understand Gagner has limitations, and his cap hit doesn't help things, but if the Oilers have to eat half or a bit less of his salary, and only get Clifford and a maybe in return, it will be hard to win that trade.

    Clifford did score 28 goals and 57 points in 58 games as a 19-year-old in the OHL, so he does have skill; however, he has 22 goals and 45 points in 253 NHL games. I know he's played essentially on the 4th line, moonlighting a bit on the 3rd and 2nd, but he would need to become one of the biggest surprises ever to become a top-six forward. I realize he would be a complimentary guy and playing with Hall, RNH or Eberle would give him more opportunities to score, but it would still be almost impossible for him to suddenly become a 40-point player.

    Last year, I wrote I'd have offer sheeted him for $1-1.5 million, because the Kings didn't have much cap space, so I do believe he would help, but not at the cost of Gagner and half of Gagner's salary.
     
  • I've said and written in the past I would sacrifice a small forward with 30-goal potential for a bigger body, who is a proven 20-goal man, but who bangs, crashes and battles. But you can't trade a 45-point player for Clifford. His best season was last year 7-7-14 in 48 games, and if you prorate he'd be a 23-point player in 82 games. I have no problem if the Oilers move a skill forward for a big body with a bit less skill, but not half the offensive production.
     
  • Nice to see Marty St.Louis make Team Canada, but I'm curious if he plays or is the 14th forward. Is Matt Duchene still the 14th guy, because he is young, or does he move up and now St.Louis is the extra body? I'm curious to see how Mike Babcock handles that situation.
     
  • Jimmy Fallon is way better than Jay Leno. The tonight show will be much better with Fallon.

TONIGHT...

***Female readers always ask why I only post pictures of attractive women, so to be fair here you go ladies. The best looking man in the NHL.***

GAME DAY PREDICTION: This is a low scoring affair, and the Oilers continue to buck the shooting trend with a 2-1 victory. Gagner scores just to add fuel to the trade speculation.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Rangers outshoot the Oilers. Scrivens has faced an average of 39 shots in his five starts with the Oilers, but tonight he gets an "easier" night facing only 36.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Most fans are more concerned with Gagner trade talk than that game, and they should be. Game 59 in another losing season isn't as juicy as trade rumours. The next 24 hours -- trade freeze starts tomorrow at 1 p.m. MST -- will be fun, but likely not as interesting as the stretch from February 24th to the March 05th trade deadline.

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#1 YEGFan
February 06 2014, 01:21PM
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I know there hasn't been any buzz about this... but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about an Oilers Rangers trade.

Oilers send: Hemsky (50% retained salary) Gagner Klefbom

Rangers send: Girardi Moore

Both players coming our way are UFAs meaning the Rangers might be willing to deal them, but they address major needs on our team and having the extra time to shower them with money might give us a shot at a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

Hemsky could be useful down the stretch, and would have a high chance of resigning on the cheap, Klefbom would be another cheap defensive prospect benefitting from their system's exceptional capacity to shelter rookies, and Gagner is a forward who can produce in a middle six role.

Is it crazy to think they might move Girardi?

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#2 Ari Gold
February 06 2014, 09:24PM
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Scribbles is good.

Gagner needs to go, no matter the return. Clifford and a 2nd rounder would be nice with Arco ready to take his spot. Gagner is over-valued in this article. He got big minutes with a team that refuses to play defense. That 8 point game was an enigma. His performance as a 2C is terrible.

Oilers are getting heavily out-shot and thus have terrible puck possession numbers. Contenders don't do that.

This will likely get worse before it gets better.

Eakins needs to go. Just watch the Seahawks rally around Pete Carroll. Think that'd happen in Etown?

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#3 Shredder
February 06 2014, 02:33PM
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"TRADE GAGNER, he sucks, he's way too small, he's never even hit 50 pts!"

"OK, I'll give you Kyle Clifford."

"NO WAY, I"M KEEPING GAGNER, HE'S A 50 PT GUY, MAYBE MORE"

"Kyle Clifford plus..."

"PLUS WHAT? BETTER BE GOOD, GAGNER IS PART OF THE OFFENSIVE CORE THAT SCORES 60+ PTS EVERY YEAR"

"I dunno, a pick, maybe Dwight King and a low pick"

"FORGET IT, WE LOSE THAT DEAL, GAGNER IS THE BEST PLAYER, AND WHOEVER GETS THE BEST PLAYER WINS THE DEAL"

"...ok, well I dunno then, we're making a run for the cup and we need our players, and we're trying to improve our team here"

"..."

"..."

"MACT SUCKS, HE CAN'T EVEN TRADE GAGNER. GAGNER SUCKS, JUST GIVE HIM AWAY FOR A BAG OF PUCKS. IF MACT WAS ANY GOOD, WE'D HAVE WEBER BY NOW"

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#4 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 04:56PM
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NJ wrote:

Gagner is a "2B" center. Arcobello is an unproven 2B. Trading Gagner for almost nothing won't help us. It's like watching Souray walk for nothing. We can talk all day about getting rid of the guy but the facts are nobody is gonna fill that spot, unless MacT is looking to the draft for that... And we know how that's worked so far for us right?

I wonder if we could get McKinnon (sp?) out of Colorado for Gagner and Eberle. We eat some of Gagner's contract... But RNH and McKinnon down the middle looks better than our current situation, Hemmer moves us for Eberle and we dump all sorts of salary to sign Nate long term! Just a thought.

Also ... Yak for Jones = win. I'd even go as far as Eberle for Jones. Nashville needs scoring, Jones IS a future #1 D.

Lastly: I think Gagner's NTC, when it kicks in, is fluff. Who wouldn't waive it to get out of Edmonton. Cold hard sucky FACT.

With oilers management at the wheel probably easier to tank for mcdavid, than to move out of the bottom 5. just terrible.

Trade Eberle and Klefbom + pick for a (pietrangelo) type

Move Gagner to RW or trade plus pick for Simmonds

Hall-Mcdavid-Yak Perron-Nuge-Gagner ?????-Gordon-????? ?????-??????-?????

(pietrangelo type)-Nurse Ekblad-Petry Marancin-Schultz Gernat

Much better than now.

We can say we want to win now and no more losing, but this is the oilers do you see any winning on the horizon?

sooooooo frustrating as a 7 year season ticket holder to watch this.

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#5 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 09:49PM
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Gagner and our 2014 first round pick to Florida for Aleksander Barkov.

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#6 Doctor Smashy
February 06 2014, 09:55PM
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Wow. Imagine that. Gagner is 50% in the dot and sets up the winning goal. Maybe he isn't the worst hockey player in the Universe after all.

Can we please just agree to keep Gagner now? He might be the guy we trade in a few years for OUR cup run. Right now we have >50 minutes (almost half) of our minutes on defence being playing by three dudes who are really not that good at hockey...maybe even 70 minutes. Let's deal with that first before we try to marginally upgrade our 2C...by adding a third/fourth line winger....Jebus.

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#7 ?
February 06 2014, 04:26PM
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Oilers lose tonight, 5-2. Richards with a pair, Yahoo (ya kupov, sounds like a cool nickname to me) scores one off a wrist shot fivehole on the King.

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#8 bazmagoo
February 06 2014, 01:24PM
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In my opinion I'd trade Gags for a signed King with the Oil keeping half of the difference between King's extension and Gagner's salary. Or Gagner for Clifford if no salary is retained. We've been saying it for years now, the Oilers have too many of the same type of player. Shake up the mix and get tougher.

We can't have 2 wingers on that 2nd line who barely play defence with a centre who also barely plays defence. It just doesn't work. It's not about Gagner hate, it's about the make up of the team.

Sign a UFA, give Ladner and Arco the chance to battle for those minutes, anything. But right now the team mix isn't working, so change is needed. Addition through substraction, sorry Gags but you got go!

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#9 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:28PM
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GDP: Oil lose 5-2 Nash is a beast and hopefully Hall takes notes...

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#10 toprightcorner
February 06 2014, 04:22PM
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I don't get the push to trade Gagne before the deadline, those trades are typically for playoff teams adding players for a pick, non roster players or players that don't benefit their team.

The goal is/should be to get an asset to help fill a hole on team, which will likely take a package, like a top pairing damn or a top 6 power forward. No team that is in the hunt will give up a quality everyday player. That leaves maybe 3 teams that would trade a player like that, Buf, Fla and Cal.

MacT should wait until the draft or just before July 1 when Gagner's NMC kicks in. There will be many more options to get a proven player in return for a package and knowing where we pick will give certain value to that pick.

There is no reason a package with Gagne and a combination of Klefbom, Lander, Arcobello, Fedun, other prospects and 1st round pick couldn't get a top pairing damn or top 6 power forward or big 2 way 2nd line center in return.

I have no problem trading our lottery pick in a package for a top pair damn or top 6 power forward. That pick will take 3-4 years to benefit the team and the Oilers really need a player that will help the team starting next year.

The options and possible destinations increase substantially if MacT waits until after the season to trade Gagner.

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#11 Hoss83
February 06 2014, 09:17PM
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Have to disagree with you on the Fallon vs. Leno Gregor. I have seen them both live and hands down Leno wins. Laughed so hard I could barely breathe.

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#12 The Big Dummy
February 06 2014, 12:42PM
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F-it I'll Shoot Tomorrow

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#13 Fresh Mess
February 06 2014, 02:37PM
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Gagner basically has negative value for the Oilers right now. I would have no problem with Clifford +pick or King straight across as long as the Oilers don't pick up any of Sam's contract. Just ditching Gagner's contract with out having to take anything else back would almost be a positive for the Oilers right now.

Fallon is annoying as hell. Tries to be too cutesy. The constant singing and dancing gets old. A show for women who like Ellen and Glee.

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#14 Brad
February 06 2014, 03:42PM
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After 3 #1 picks + + Oilers are going backwards.

Horrible organization.

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#15 Oilerz4life
February 06 2014, 07:16PM
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That line-up is pretty weak. The bottom six was stronger with Hendricks-Gordon-Jones, Gazdic-Smyth-Joensuu. That's part of the pussy factor anyway.

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#16 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 01:45PM
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Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

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#17 Reg Dunlop
February 06 2014, 05:26PM
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Can anyone explain why Hall chased the ranger D into the corner and as the D dumps the puck out Hall almost breaks an ankle stopping before he so much as touched him. AMAZING. I have never seen hockey played this way. Not even no-hit beer league. Not even women's hockey.

Maybe Hall scored before the game and didn't want to break the baggie in his pocket.

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#18 Rick Stroppel
February 06 2014, 05:47PM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

Can anyone explain why Hall chased the ranger D into the corner and as the D dumps the puck out Hall almost breaks an ankle stopping before he so much as touched him. AMAZING. I have never seen hockey played this way. Not even no-hit beer league. Not even women's hockey.

Maybe Hall scored before the game and didn't want to break the baggie in his pocket.

I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY!

I heard that too. My brother-in-law's cousin's kid's teacher's friend heard it from a guy he met at the bar! IT'S GOTTA BE TRUE!

PS: And some people wonder why some UFA's are reluctant to come play in Edmonton.

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#19 Rod from Viking
February 06 2014, 07:37PM
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Don't trade anyone and extend all the FA's and assistant coaches.

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#20 TonyT
February 06 2014, 12:47PM
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I'm really torn on this Gagner deal. Do I think Gagner for Clifford is a good trade? No, that's a loss hands down. However, if that's the best (or only deal) out there, will this team ever be in a position where Gagner is traded for similiar value? I'd argue and the past four seasons (outside of that 8 pt night) have displayed that the answer is no. The question for me then becomes are the Oilers a better team with or without Gagner? As currently constructed, I'd argue the team (outside of trading from the top line) is not better with Gagner.

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#21 GB
February 06 2014, 12:54PM
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Gregor, I remember reading and hearing you talk about offer sheeting Clifford in the summer and thought it would have been a smart, bold (well, somewhat) move.

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#22 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:13PM
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Oilers check list

1. Sign Gagner to one year deal giving him all the leverage for his next contract, (not buying low)

2. Over value Eberle and buy high by signing to an overpaid contract (buying high)

3. Have gagner out perform Eberle lasy year and have reasonable demands for huge contract (buy high)

4. Have Gagner get hurt play poorly and trade for the sake of trading to get another 4th line player because he is big, instead of getting these players for free on the waiver wire. (sell low)

So glad these guys arent managing my money

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#23 NJ
February 06 2014, 04:05PM
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Gagner is a "2B" center. Arcobello is an unproven 2B. Trading Gagner for almost nothing won't help us. It's like watching Souray walk for nothing. We can talk all day about getting rid of the guy but the facts are nobody is gonna fill that spot, unless MacT is looking to the draft for that... And we know how that's worked so far for us right?

I wonder if we could get McKinnon (sp?) out of Colorado for Gagner and Eberle. We eat some of Gagner's contract... But RNH and McKinnon down the middle looks better than our current situation, Hemmer moves us for Eberle and we dump all sorts of salary to sign Nate long term! Just a thought.

Also ... Yak for Jones = win. I'd even go as far as Eberle for Jones. Nashville needs scoring, Jones IS a future #1 D.

Lastly: I think Gagner's NTC, when it kicks in, is fluff. Who wouldn't waive it to get out of Edmonton. Cold hard sucky FACT.

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#24 Brad
February 06 2014, 04:42PM
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@Brad

Funny how get trashed I should have said they were a great organization that has had the worst record in the NHL for about 8 years. What was I thinking.

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#25 Reg Dunlop
February 06 2014, 05:56PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY!

I heard that too. My brother-in-law's cousin's kid's teacher's friend heard it from a guy he met at the bar! IT'S GOTTA BE TRUE!

PS: And some people wonder why some UFA's are reluctant to come play in Edmonton.

You heard something? Wow, I just made it up but if you heard something it must be true. Wait till I tell everybody I know... this is BIG news. Thanks, man!

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#26 Reg Dunlop
February 06 2014, 07:54PM
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What are the oil, say 20 points behind Vancouver with 25 games left? If we catch them, and make no mistake they are falling like a dead hooker into a dumpster, they should fold that pathetic franchise. Go oil. 1 win= uncontainable optimism.

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#27 Max
February 06 2014, 12:49PM
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Enough of the analysis - same old same old, day in and out. Let's just WIN on a regular basis - PLEASE.

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#28 BingBong
February 06 2014, 01:47PM
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What do people think about going after Andrew McDonald in the off-season? I haven't seen him play but from what I've read he's been great this year, playing 25 minutes a night on the 1st pairing. He's experienced, UFA, and we need a top pairing guy in the worst way.

We'd have to overpay, but at least this way we get our 1st pairing guy without giving up any assets. And he's still young enough to be a part of the future.

Apparently he's looking for $5M per year for 5-6 years. With what MacT threw at Clarkson this shouldn't be a problem.

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#29 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:08PM
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TonyT wrote:

I'm really torn on this Gagner deal. Do I think Gagner for Clifford is a good trade? No, that's a loss hands down. However, if that's the best (or only deal) out there, will this team ever be in a position where Gagner is traded for similiar value? I'd argue and the past four seasons (outside of that 8 pt night) have displayed that the answer is no. The question for me then becomes are the Oilers a better team with or without Gagner? As currently constructed, I'd argue the team (outside of trading from the top line) is not better with Gagner.

SO outside his 8 point night he has done nothing else? What about the next game against Detroit? What about the 25 final games of his rookie year?

Gagner may not be the best fit for the team. But trading him and getting a worse player makes this team worse. You may not have a way to win this trade, but there is no harm waiting until draft day when the cap has gone up.

Gagner for Clifford (a terrible hockey player) is a terrible trade.

I agree that he has to go, but the haters need to stop dwelling on low points and the praisers on the high points. There is a hockey palyer there and maye being in a proper organization with some stability Sam will take the next step in his career.

There is no way we can win this trade. But there is no addition by subtraction here (oilers have no center depth, and Arco is temporary fill in). But we dont need to do something right now just to say we did.

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#30 Bucknuck
February 06 2014, 02:04PM
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i think the Oilers are going to get beaten badly by the rangers today: 7-3.

There... now I hope I am wrong.

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#31 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 05:20PM
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GDP: Big and skilled beats Small and skilled. Rangers Win!

Thats if they don't get SCRIVENATED!

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#32 Tuningout
February 06 2014, 08:06PM
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I havent watched a game since early December and things have changed according to this game.

The good

Marincin.. wow, for a kid he's good. I wish he could be a #4 next year but if he has to be 2-3 I won't be too worried.

Hall.. give this kid the C already.

Don't sign Scrivens yet... wait for him to give up a bad goal or three (sarcasm, he looks for reals)

Gagner.. looks like he tried, as did lines 3 and 4. Nothing great, but can't complain. That's good right ?

Gregor.. amazing call, great insight. Should've played poker tonight instead of writing the GDB

The bad

Hemsky.. I love this guy, and I don't want him traded, but unless they can sign him for third line money... sigh

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#33 The Soup Fascist
February 06 2014, 08:09PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Nick Kyprios reporting Gagner to LA likely to get done before Olympic break. Meaning TOMORROW!

All eyes will be on Oilers morning skate if they have one.

Is That Nick Kyprios your local donair restaurant owner?

'Cause Nick Kypreos from Sportsnet hasn't tweeted for 6 hours and pretty sure nothing official happens unless it is on Twitter.

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#34 dougtheslug
February 06 2014, 10:58PM
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Intercepted email from Klowe to Brian Burke:

Hey, would you guys knock it off with your "hardest working team in hockey" self-promotion crap. For all your hard work, you're still in 28th place, for Pete's sake! We're only one place behind you, and we're barely trying!

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#35 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:27PM
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Toronto succeeds despite the GA number being higher than the GF number for two main reasons: Kessel and a couple of the other primary scorers are some of the very best shots in the league. They shoot - they score...

And they have some of the very best goaltending in the league.

EDM has neither of those attributes and thus over the long haul will lose more than they win.

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#36 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:34PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

Gagner is as ill-fitted to being a winger as hall is to being a centre. Its been tried several times and fails with out fail.

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#37 #ThereGoesTheOilers
February 06 2014, 02:51PM
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What's the rush? Is Gagner going to bring back more now or in the summer? Time will help his value in my estimation.

What if you paired him with a significant prospect like Klefbom (and a pick depending) - now who can you get back? Probably a hell of a lot more than just Clifford.

Hypothetical of course, but I just can't perceive why we'd trade a significant contract for anything short of a significant piece coming back.

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#38 gcw_rocks
February 06 2014, 03:00PM
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The deal should be:

Gagner, Klefbom and Hemsky to NJ for Adam Larsson and Adam Henrique.

New Jersey can't score, so they get an offensive boost from Gagner as well as Hemsky as a rental. They also get Klefbom to replace Larsson in thier pipeline.

The Oilers get a strong two-way centre with history playing with Hall and a 6'3" future top pairing defender.

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#39 Serge
February 06 2014, 03:46PM
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Clifford is a complimentary play, that plays well with great players and a organization that is committed to winning.

Clifford would come to the Oilers end up as a 4th liner. He would hate it here.

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#40 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 04:01PM
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LA is trying to make this trade without giving us a player that can make a big difference to the Oilers, a division rival. They refused to deal Jonathan Bernier to us over the summer and it looks like they were right about that.

So why would the Oilers send the Kings a player who just might be a difference-maker? You want Gagner, I want Slava Voynov.

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#41 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 05:02PM
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Some nobody in NYR net tonight. Not sure of 5-2 rangers will be the result...

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#42 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 06:45PM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

Gagner's drop pass illustrates reason 38 of 52 why he needs to go.

I find myself enjoying the game watching Scrivens, Marincin, Nuge and Hall stealing pucks, Perron with a 30 ft backhand off the crossbar, etc. Then Gagner does his thing and I cringe. BUZZKILL.

(Yes..it's partly my built in bias.)

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#43 jonny94
February 06 2014, 07:38PM
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Good job Gregor. 2-1 final for the Oilers.

5 wins over the past 6 games... Let's keep it rolling boys.

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#44 Bi-Curious Gord
February 06 2014, 07:58PM
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Whoa! Whoa! We haven't won yet, boys. Lets wait and see if the Corsi Gods say its a legit win.

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#45 Dean Belanger
February 06 2014, 12:50PM
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Damn that is a fine looking bastard!

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#46 Wigswag
February 06 2014, 01:05PM
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It would be nice to know if the wins where they were outshot are come from behind wins or sit on a lead wins.

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#47 Rob...
February 06 2014, 01:10PM
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Any stories from Struds on how he felt after he retired and passed the torch to Lundqvist?

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#48 brad
February 06 2014, 01:26PM
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Clifford alone for Gagner is not worth it but all the rumors say Clifford + for Gagner, that could quickly become worth it. Add center Dwight King and Dman Jake Muzzin and it is a deal we maybe couldn't say no to.

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#49 TonyT
February 06 2014, 01:41PM
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@They're $hittie

Easy there, I never said he hasn't done anything, but clearly if the best deal they can get for him is Kyle Clifford then that may be how the other 29 GMs see him. I don't think he's a bad player, however I strongly believe this team can not be succesful with him and RNH as their 1-2 Centres. Having said that, does his value go up before the draft? Possibly, Gagner regularly has a strong push to finish the season. In the mean time, I believe Arcobello is an adequate low-cost TEMPORARY replacement.

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#50 2004Z06
February 06 2014, 02:13PM
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Rumor is possibly Clifford + Martinez for Gagner with some salary retained.

I thought it was reported this morning that Yakupov was playing with Hall and RNH?

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