GDB 59.0: A NEW FORMULA

Jason Gregor
February 06 2014 12:35PM

In theory, outshooting the opposition will increase your chances of success, but for short windows that isn't always the case. The Oilers are 4-3-1 in their last eight games. In the five games they picked up at least one point they were out shot 204-124. They gave up 16 more shots per game (40.8-24.8), but they got nine of a possible ten points.

In the three losses they outshot their opponents twice, 58-56, leaving the loss to Boston as the only game where getting outshot meant a loss.

The Oilers are bucking the shooting trend lately and seeing success, so maybe they should continue to do so, considering how well it has worked for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

For the past two seasons the Maple Leafs have continually been outshot, yet they win more than they lose, much to the chagrin of those who believe strongly in Corsi. Outshooting the opponents increases your chances of winning, unless you are the Maple Leafs.

In 58 games this season the Leafs have outshot their opponents a measly nine times and once they were tied in shots. In those ten games, the Leafs are 5-5. In the 48 games they've been outshot they are 25-17-6. For reasons unexplained their chance of success increases when they get outshot.

In 48 games last year they fired more shots than their opponent 11 times, but they had a losing record, 5-6, in those games. During the 37 games that they were outshot they went 21-11-5. Our friend Cam Charron over at Leafsnation is constantly befuddled and in awe of the trend setting Maple Leafs.

During their last 106 games they've been outshot, or tied, with the opposition 21 times. They picked up 20 points.
They were outshot in the other 85 games but they skated away with a total of 103 points.

They even continued that trend in the playoffs. They lost both games where they outshot the Bruins, but went 3-2 in the game the Bruins fired more pucks on goal.

The Oilers have two former Maple Leafs coaches on their bench, and now they have Ben Scrivens and Mark Fraser in the lineup. Maybe the Oilers are trying to become the Maple Leafs of the west; buck the shooting trend and win.

I know it is an incredibly small sample size, and the Oilers don't have a 47-year Stanley Cup drought to counter their lucky streak, but they do have the longest active streak, 8 years, with no playoffs and their Cup drought is just over half as long as the Leafs, 24. Could a get-out-shot-and-win strategy really be that bad of an idea?

I don't see why not. What's the worst thing that could happen? They stay in 29th place.

All joking aside, the Oilers have won four of their last five and the players, coaches and fans should take an ugly win over a "solid effort" loss any day. 

Seriously though, would you really care if the Oilers kept getting outshot, but went 46-28-11?

RANGERS...

The Rangers are one of those ~ boring ~ teams that consistently outshot their opponents on home ice. In 30 home games, the Rangers have only been oushot five times; however, they are only 14-13-3 at Madison Square Gardens.

Tonight could be the perfect storm for the Oilers. They face a team that likes to outshoot their opponents, but has limited success when they do it. The Rangers are 10-10-1 when firing more shots, 0-2-1 when tied in shots and 4-2 when they get outshot at MSG.

If you are playing the odds, then the Oilers game plan should be to let the Rangers outshoot them.

That might not be that difficult considering the Rangers are playing very well lately, 11-4-1 in 2014, and they are starting to feel comfortable under Alain Vigneaut. The Rangers are playing an up-tempo, fast-paced, aggressive game and it seems to mesh well with their personnel.

LINEUP....

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Fraser-Ference

Scrivens

Scrivens gets his 2nd start of the season at MSG. He made 37 saves in a 1-0 victory on November 17th as a member of the Kings, and he'll look to remain perfect against the Rangers.

Eberle and Yakupov have switched lines so fans get to see a line of all 1st overall picks playing together. Yakupov and Gagner have struggled as a duo, so trying something else makes sense. Jones replaces Joensuu and the defence stays the same.

QUICK HITS...

  • The Oilers and Rangers have almost identical offensive production. The Rangers are 18th in the NHL with 2.58 goals per game, while the Oilers are 19th at 2.55. The difference is goals against. The Rangers are 10th at 2.44 while the Oilers are 30th at 3.34.
     
  • The Oilers have allowed 55 more goals than the Rangers. The Oilers need a good start. They've given up the most goals in the first period, 61, while New York has had great starts in their recent 7-2 hot streak. The Rangers have scored 9 goals in the first period during those seven wins. They have 34 first period goals in their other 50 games combined.
     
  • I like Kyle Clifford as a player. I think he could help the team, but if the Oilers trade Sam Gagner for him and a pick, they will lose the trade. The pick likely will be a 2nd rounder at best, and 15% of 2nd round picks play more than 200 games. The chances of that pick panning out are slim. I understand Gagner has limitations, and his cap hit doesn't help things, but if the Oilers have to eat half or a bit less of his salary, and only get Clifford and a maybe in return, it will be hard to win that trade.

    Clifford did score 28 goals and 57 points in 58 games as a 19-year-old in the OHL, so he does have skill; however, he has 22 goals and 45 points in 253 NHL games. I know he's played essentially on the 4th line, moonlighting a bit on the 3rd and 2nd, but he would need to become one of the biggest surprises ever to become a top-six forward. I realize he would be a complimentary guy and playing with Hall, RNH or Eberle would give him more opportunities to score, but it would still be almost impossible for him to suddenly become a 40-point player.

    Last year, I wrote I'd have offer sheeted him for $1-1.5 million, because the Kings didn't have much cap space, so I do believe he would help, but not at the cost of Gagner and half of Gagner's salary.
     
  • I've said and written in the past I would sacrifice a small forward with 30-goal potential for a bigger body, who is a proven 20-goal man, but who bangs, crashes and battles. But you can't trade a 45-point player for Clifford. His best season was last year 7-7-14 in 48 games, and if you prorate he'd be a 23-point player in 82 games. I have no problem if the Oilers move a skill forward for a big body with a bit less skill, but not half the offensive production.
     
  • Nice to see Marty St.Louis make Team Canada, but I'm curious if he plays or is the 14th forward. Is Matt Duchene still the 14th guy, because he is young, or does he move up and now St.Louis is the extra body? I'm curious to see how Mike Babcock handles that situation.
     
  • Jimmy Fallon is way better than Jay Leno. The tonight show will be much better with Fallon.

TONIGHT...

***Female readers always ask why I only post pictures of attractive women, so to be fair here you go ladies. The best looking man in the NHL.***

GAME DAY PREDICTION: This is a low scoring affair, and the Oilers continue to buck the shooting trend with a 2-1 victory. Gagner scores just to add fuel to the trade speculation.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Rangers outshoot the Oilers. Scrivens has faced an average of 39 shots in his five starts with the Oilers, but tonight he gets an "easier" night facing only 36.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Most fans are more concerned with Gagner trade talk than that game, and they should be. Game 59 in another losing season isn't as juicy as trade rumours. The next 24 hours -- trade freeze starts tomorrow at 1 p.m. MST -- will be fun, but likely not as interesting as the stretch from February 24th to the March 05th trade deadline.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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#51 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 02:24PM
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Dean Belanger wrote:

Damn that is a fine looking bastard!

Back in the day he would have a face like a hamburger being a goalie and all...

Nowadays goalies are the most likely players to finish their careers unscarred and with all of their teeth.

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#52 Spoils
February 06 2014, 03:08PM
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I don't think the oil should be trading for picks, they should be trading their picks -

Gagner + our 1st overall next year = what?

Gagner + Pitlick/Lander/Simpson + our 2nd pick = what?

how else do we get a true blue big strong #2C that can take on Smyth's tough blue paint minutes, or a #1 pairing D?

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#53 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 03:08PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

The deal should be:

Gagner, Klefbom and Hemsky to NJ for Adam Larsson and Adam Henrique.

New Jersey can't score, so they get an offensive boost from Gagner as well as Hemsky as a rental. They also get Klefbom to replace Larsson in thier pipeline.

The Oilers get a strong two-way centre with history playing with Hall and a 6'3" future top pairing defender.

Sounds interesting. Plus it would be FOK deal with slats on the NYR side of the deal...

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#54 Ales Hallsky
February 06 2014, 03:12PM
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Who Cares...Its like trading your Vladimir Ruziczka o-pee-chee for the other guy's Mariusz Czerkawski

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#55 fasteddy
February 06 2014, 04:03PM
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You folks are hilarious, you want Gagner to retire and work at Home Depot one minute, and then when there's speculation he may be traded the management are idiots for not getting enough. Maybe time to re-evaluate your lives when the sky is falling no matter what happens.

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#56 DrunkGuyTy
February 06 2014, 04:11PM
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He looks as much like a hockey player as I look like an olympic gymnast. He probably washes the smell out of his equipment regularly and smiles when they take team pictures too. pfft...goalies

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#57 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 04:50PM
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TonyT wrote:

When I say it, I mean the Cup (this isn't Vancouver). The owner and management didn't decide the scorched earth route just for the end goal of making the playoffs. I also agree that the team can't win with Yak and Eberle, if you believe that this team is one Chris Pronger away from the playoffs than I strongly disagree. As previously discussed in every blog on this site for the past little while the top 6 is not balanced and do I believe a few years of seasoning will make them a better team? Maybe, when Getzlaf, Perry, Kopitar, Brown, Thornton, Burns, Doan, Hanzal, Sedin, Kesler all retire or get up and switch divisions. Again, I am not advocating for this trade, however if that is the only offer on the table I would at the very least consider it given that I don't believe that top 6 wins the Cup, makes the playoffs, or gets out of the draft lottery even with three years more experience.

I get you. But trading Gagner just to make a trade hurts us it doesnt help us. Yes there are defensive liabilities but until 2lc is filled he is your best option at this position. Trading for a 4RW leaves us with another large hole. With the Cap going up his salary wont bother us. Keeping him and putting him on wing would help with center depth in case of injury.

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#58 Reg Dunlop
February 06 2014, 06:29PM
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Gagner's drop pass illustrates reason 38 of 52 why he needs to go.

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#59 pkam
February 06 2014, 07:47PM
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Wow, does JG have a crystal ball? We did win 2-1 and Rangers did put 36 shots on Scriven. And everyone is talking about the Gagner trade here. What is the chance of that?

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#60 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 07:51PM
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Gregor on Fire last few weeks! Time to start wagering!

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#61 The Soup Fascist
February 06 2014, 07:55PM
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..... And now Jason Gregor will provide the winning numbers for tomorrow's Lotto Max $40 million grand prize.

And all h-e-double hockey sticks breaks out when 237 loyal ON readers show up to each claim their share.

FFS Gregor. You are a WITCH!

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#62 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 08:00PM
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Nick Kyprios reporting Gagner to LA likely to get done before Olympic break. Meaning TOMORROW!

All eyes will be on Oilers morning skate if they have one.

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#63 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 08:43PM
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Arius Mumin wrote:

Oiler better keep Marincin. The kid will grow to be Lil'Euro'Rake.

Who is Big Euro Rake? Chara?

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#64 Abby Oil
February 06 2014, 09:40PM
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@God

I'm sure if we were celebrating a Cup win down Whyte Ave, yes the Oilers would be rallying around Eakins. Also kind of silly to compare the Seahawks and Carroll against the Oilers and Eakins at this time. Is it not?

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#65 dougtheslug
February 06 2014, 10:19PM
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Intercepted text from MacT to Klowe:

Who could have predicted that competent goaltending makes such a difference? I'm going to have to re-think my theory that the key to winning is a solid 4th line.

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#66 Arius Mumin
February 06 2014, 11:32PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

No idea! I just thought because Marincin is 6'5" and you used Lil....that there must be already be a big one somewhere.

Anyway, Euro Rake is a very cool very original nickname for Marincin!

He's a young pup compared to Pronger, a lil' guy.

Plus it rolls off the tongue funny.

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#67 Oiler Al
February 06 2014, 02:32PM
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Why would you give a player a $4.8 contract and then several months later decide that all he is worth is a fourth line plugger, who barely score 10 points per year?[ and take back salary]

MacT should be run out of town if he did this deal.

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#68 Blucifer Copperballs
February 06 2014, 02:43PM
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Wigswag wrote:

It would be nice to know if the wins where they were outshot are come from behind wins or sit on a lead wins.

Interesting. That really would be a great factor to include in the stats.

I would say that no oiler on this years team would have the gall or nerve to "sit" on a lead after maybe game 3 of this season, and they have had some high scoring games this year, so i dont think its sitting on a lead at all.

But that would be an interesting scope to view the shooting stats thru, for any team.

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#69 S cottV
February 06 2014, 02:52PM
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If a given team has the right d zone system and executes it well, you would be surprised at how much time can be spent in your own zone - giving up little else than low scoring chance shots.

The kind of system I am talking about would be the opposite of the swarm. Swarm - forces the opposition attack into a turnover, almost like offense on defence. Done properly - you get the forced turnover and move out of your zone on offence. Done improperly - you give up glaring scoring chances.

A more traditional zone coverage system focuses more on patient positioning and taking a turnover when it is more easily or naturally presented to you. Done properly the offence runs out of options or get's impatient - making a high risk offensive move that turns into an easy turnover. Or - they throw the puck on net from an outside position with no damage done. Done properly - you can give up a fair number of outside shots but you rarely give up glaring scoring chances.

To pull it off, you need execution, good goaltending, a d corp that can command things around the net and strong low support centremen that know what they are doing in their own end.

Oilers don't have much of the above, so getting outshot on a consistent basis is probably best avoided...

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#70 TonyT
February 06 2014, 03:09PM
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@They're $hittie

When I say it, I mean the Cup (this isn't Vancouver). The owner and management didn't decide the scorched earth route just for the end goal of making the playoffs. I also agree that the team can't win with Yak and Eberle, if you believe that this team is one Chris Pronger away from the playoffs than I strongly disagree. As previously discussed in every blog on this site for the past little while the top 6 is not balanced and do I believe a few years of seasoning will make them a better team? Maybe, when Getzlaf, Perry, Kopitar, Brown, Thornton, Burns, Doan, Hanzal, Sedin, Kesler all retire or get up and switch divisions. Again, I am not advocating for this trade, however if that is the only offer on the table I would at the very least consider it given that I don't believe that top 6 wins the Cup, makes the playoffs, or gets out of the draft lottery even with three years more experience.

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#71 6 ring circus
February 06 2014, 04:10PM
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Trading for Magic Beans, Oilers management has read Jack and the bean stock to many times,whatever happened to buy low sell high ? In Edmonton it's totally the opposite, know wonder they are a lottery team with decision makers like this.

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#72 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 05:18PM
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RexHolez wrote:

So you think the oilers will lose 5-3?

5-4 in ot.

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#73 bwar
February 06 2014, 05:26PM
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I don't care what the return is on a Gagner trade as long as we don't have to eat salary. If we are eating salary then the return better be big.

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#74 NJ
February 06 2014, 05:30PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

As much as I would love Mackinnon on the Oilers, I don't see the Avs trading him any time soon.

That may be true. I don't know why Sakic would unless he feels that Eberle fits better short and wants the experience. Gagner would fill the spot (3c) that Mackinnon currently fills.

Anyhow, I suppose one can dream. I've been dreaming of winning side I loved to Etown in 99.... Couple more decades won't hurt.

/facepalm

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#75 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 06:25PM
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How can you review intent to blow the whistle? The broadcast crew is saying it's the intent to blow the whistle but yet the play is under review. Doesn't make sense.

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#76 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 07:03PM
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Anyone else a little worried about Team Canada? .....Nash, St. Louis, Carter, Kunitz, and suspect goaltending. Don't get me wrong, cheering like hell....but uneasy feeling. I hope it's just the fish I ate for supper.

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#77 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 07:04PM
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tabs wrote:

Yak has looked good, like to see him stay there for the rest of the season.

I agree. I mean really, why not?

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#78 Mason Storm
February 06 2014, 07:12PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I agree. I mean really, why not?

Dallas Eakins

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#79 @Oilanderp
February 06 2014, 07:22PM
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I love how when our skill lines actually dump it in instead of turning it over at the blue, our wingers get in there fast and.... slam on the breaks and hug the boards 1 ft from the d-man. It takes more effort to do that than actually just coast in the same direction and accidentally bang into them. That would be called a hit. Brutal.

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#80 hoss83
February 06 2014, 09:18PM
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Their stand up routines not the shows.

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#81 The Soup Fascist
February 06 2014, 09:46PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

It was put up on Sportsnet, not a tweet.

Apparently subtle, deeply insightful satire on social media is not my strong suit.

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#82 The Soup Fascist
February 06 2014, 09:48PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

That's just silly Soupy....the Gretzky trade wasn't even on Twitter.

Right you are. I heard it on something called AM radio on the old Bill and Bill show on CJCA.

A simpler time, ORG. A simpler time.

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#83 Sevenseven
February 06 2014, 10:23PM
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Maybe, just maybe, a stretch of good goaltending brings this teams young players to the next level.....

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#84 Oilcruzer
February 06 2014, 11:11PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Team Sweden loses one Sedin for Olympics.

I would give them a healthy Henrik if Canada could have a healthy Steven.

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 06 2014, 11:14PM
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Arius Mumin wrote:

There is a Big Euro Rake?

No idea! I just thought because Marincin is 6'5" and you used Lil....that there must be already be a big one somewhere.

Anyway, Euro Rake is a very cool very original nickname for Marincin!

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#86 Rdubb
February 07 2014, 08:40AM
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HOLY SMOKES Gregor, what the heck did you do, go back and make your "game day predications" after the Oilers games last night? Or maybe you went back, erased and re-wrote it? Anyhow, you NAILED IT (no pun intended)!!! You got the correct score and the correct shot totals (close enough anyways, plus, depending upon where or whom you read/listen to, the shot total varies)... Since you got your predications BANG ON, I think that maybe you should give your buddy Johnathon Willis a call, and teach him how to make these? In every article that I can remember him writing and making predications, I have NEVER seen him come even remotely close to getting any correct, heck, he usually cannot even pick the correct team let alone the score and shot totals... So, long story short, congrats...plus, I do agree with you about the Gagner trade. Would MacT not be better off getting Muzin plus a 2nd rounder, or am too far off here? MacT needs to bring in bigger, stronger, & more defensively reliable personnel over another 4th liner, who, by all accounts, is more or less Luke Gadzik with a wee bit more skill, but not much more. Even Clifford and a 2nd wouldn't really be enough for Sam, let alone having Edmonton retaining some of his salary. Should that be the deal everyone is talking about, than I'd much rather keep Sam and go and pick-up a bigger 3rd or 4th liner via free agency this summer. And if MacT can bring in a somewhat skilled bigger body who plays C, than, even at his salary, wouldn't we have the makings of a good 3rd line with Gagner centring the 3rd line, or playing the left side with Nail on the R and the big guy @ C, not a bad POTENTIAL 2nd line if you ask me... Peck

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#87 ubermiguel
February 06 2014, 01:13PM
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I did some quick number crunching with all the teams in the NHL this year. I looked at the correlation between wins and other stats. The closer to 1, the more the stats move together and there’s a strong chance they are related.

Winning% and shots per game: 0.51

Winning% and shots against per game: 0.46

Winning% and shot differential: 0.63

So it is safe to say a team wins more if they maximize the shots for and minimize the shots against. You correctly identified that the sample size of 5 games and one Leafs team is too small to draw any conclusions.

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#88 Wigswag
February 06 2014, 01:27PM
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Oil win 3 - 1 Yak loves his new linemates and pots 2.

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#89 Lochenzo
February 06 2014, 01:37PM
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YEGFan wrote:

I know there hasn't been any buzz about this... but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.

What about an Oilers Rangers trade.

Oilers send: Hemsky (50% retained salary) Gagner Klefbom

Rangers send: Girardi Moore

Both players coming our way are UFAs meaning the Rangers might be willing to deal them, but they address major needs on our team and having the extra time to shower them with money might give us a shot at a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

Hemsky could be useful down the stretch, and would have a high chance of resigning on the cheap, Klefbom would be another cheap defensive prospect benefitting from their system's exceptional capacity to shelter rookies, and Gagner is a forward who can produce in a middle six role.

Is it crazy to think they might move Girardi?

Hemsky to NYR maybe for a pick would make sense if they do wind up trading Callahan out of town.

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#90 bazmagoo
February 06 2014, 01:43PM
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Hoping they can trade Hemsky for an actual prospect. How about Hemmer to Pittsburgh for Despres?

I could see Perron being a positive influence on that young guy. He's hit a bit of a bump in his development this year but he's big, a 1st round pick, and a left sided d-man which Edmonton needs some depth on.

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#91 They're $hittie
February 06 2014, 01:55PM
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@TonyT

Granted he has had a bad year.

When you say they cant win with him and RNH do you mean the cup? If so we arent even in the playoffs so why is winning the cup the next step. Gagners value may be low right now and that is why it is stupid to trade him. Get some competant Dman, raise gagners value, wait until we near competitveness and sell high.

Trading Gagner for Clifford is a huge step back.

Can we also say we cant win with both Yak and Eberle on the team?

If these guys were all three years older, had some competent d, and average goaltending there is no reasons they couldnt be competitive with RNH and Gagner. Maybe not top tier but we need to be decent first.

Trading Gagner for a lesser player when this team has no center depth, defense and the season is a wash does nothing to improve the team.

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#92 Dog Train
February 06 2014, 02:15PM
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I felt like St. Louis should have made the team to begin with so good for him to be named to the team. Only two more Oilers games before us fans can turn our attention to a team that actually has a chance to win something. Good luck to all Canadian Olympians!

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#93 Duke
February 06 2014, 02:29PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Sometimes the best trade you make is the one that you don't make. Hmmm, wonder who said that?

Gagner would make a more than competent top 6 winger if let's say, Jordan Eberle got dealt for that top 2 Dman that we've been searching for like forever.

I'll tell you who said it.

Tambellini, on several occasions.

Chant it like a mantra.

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#94 Spoils
February 06 2014, 03:03PM
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classic strategy - let the other team get tired from beating on you.

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#95 mlcselli
February 06 2014, 03:13PM
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We all agree that change is necessary. We all agree that we need to be bigger and harder to play against. We all agree that Gagner has been very ineffective this year. We all agree that Gagner hasn't really shown an obvious improvement in the last 7 years with the Oilers. We can't agree on the timing. Is a trade better now, March 5 or over the summer? Do we need to take Clifford and some salary, or is there someone else and we don't eat any salary? Does the trade have to be with the Kings or is there another dance partner? All I know is that whatever and whenever MacT pulls the trigger, we will all agree to disagree on the decision. We are never be satisfied. That's the beauty of being a fan. Tonight, in the city that never sleeps, I hope the Oil take the win. Go Oilers.

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#96 jack
February 06 2014, 03:48PM
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it will probably be garner and someone for clifford green and someone else good, green when in the lineup, la has only won a few games, but we will probably have to take salary back

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#97 jack
February 06 2014, 03:49PM
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sorry gagner (spelling)

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#98 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 06 2014, 04:20PM
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@NJ

As much as I would love Mackinnon on the Oilers, I don't see the Avs trading him any time soon.

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#99 toprightcorner
February 06 2014, 04:29PM
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jack wrote:

it will probably be garner and someone for clifford green and someone else good, green when in the lineup, la has only won a few games, but we will probably have to take salary back

Not a chance the King's trade Green, he was a vital part of the locker room when they won the cup. Quick said Green was a huge benefit keeping him relaxed yet focused during that run. Character depth defenseman are what contenders trade for, not trade away.

PS, I would love to have Green back but he would only fit as a bottom pair and we have 6 of those already.

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#100 RexHolez
February 06 2014, 05:09PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Some nobody in NYR net tonight. Not sure of 5-2 rangers will be the result...

So you think the oilers will lose 5-3?

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