THE PITCH: TIMING IS EVERYTHING

Robin Brownlee
February 06 2014 11:28PM

Whether you go by gut-feeling or spreadsheet, there's no way of knowing for sure if Ben Scrivens is the real deal the Edmonton Oilers have been waiting for in the goal crease, but there's no question he's making a compelling and timely case that he is.

I gave my take on Scrivens and Ilya Bryzgalov and Edmonton's goaltending situation a few days ago as both approach UFA status, so I won't re-paint the big picture I outlined, but it's difficult not to look at Scrivens again after he made 35 saves in a 2-1 win over the New York Rangers.

With six games in the books for the Oilers, the 27-year-old stopper from Spruce Grove has stopped 219 of the 231 shots he's faced, which translates to a .948 saves percentage. He's 3-3-0 with a 2.01 goals-against average.

Small sample size (as the stats guys are fond of saying)? Sure. Does six games mean GM Craig MacTavish should back up the Brink's truck for Scrivens to convince him not to test the UFA market? No. This could be a remarkably hot stretch, nothing more.

REALITY CHECK

That said, the reality is MacTavish does not have the luxury of taking a longer look than what he'll get beyond the end of the regular season where Scrivens is concerned. There's an element of risk because of that.

The way I see it, MacTavish would be well-advised to make Scrivens and agent Jay Fee an offer sooner rather than later. At the same time, it makes sense for Scrivens and Fee to let this play out and test the market. I tend to think that's how it'll unfold.

One thing's certain, Scrivens couldn’t have picked a better time to play the best goal of his brief NHL career. Every time he puts in a performance like he did against the Rangers, his price goes up. While he's not going to play at a .948 clip indefinitely, he's going to get paid.

ALL THAT TALK ABOUT SAM

I'd like to think that even Sam Gagner's harshest critics, and there are many who fall into that category, understand that trading him to the Los Angeles Kings for Kyle Clifford straight up is a move only a fool would make. Say what you want about MacTavish, he's no fool.

While it's nonsense on so many levels, at least as a one-for-one swap, there's so much smoke surrounding discussions between L.A. GM Dean Lombardi and MacTavish that there's got to be some fire there. One supposed insider even suggested today via Twitter Gagner would be shipped to Tinseltown before the New York game. Well, no.

The only way a swap involving Gagner and Clifford makes sense – I'm not the first to suggest this – is if there's other players involved on both sides, and I'm not just talking about Lombardi flipping the draft pick the Oilers gave up for Scrivens back to Edmonton.

Youngster Tyler Toffoli, a centre, was the subject of much speculation as an add-in from the L.A. side of things, but that tips the scales too far in favor of the Oilers for Lombardi to bite. If this talk turns into a trade, there's got to be somebody from Edmonton's end going south to square it up.

WHAT ABOUT RAMSAY?

If the Oilers are looking to add a coach to their staff in support of Eakins between now and next season -- they are -- they should be taking a long look at Craig Ramsay, who was sacked by the Florida Panthers last November when head coach Kevin Dineen was let go.

Ramsay, 62, who has made coaching stops with Florida, Ottawa, Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay, where he won the Stanley Cup in 2004, is the kind of teacher and technical coach who'd be a fit here.

WHILE I'M AT IT . . .

. . . I said it on Twitter today and I'll say it again: while I see a need for MacTavish to bolster his forwards with grit and size that can play in the top six, I'd like to think he's making calls about proven defensemen. You won’t get a top-pairing blueliner for Gagner, but I'd like to think he can fetch a veteran capable of playing in the second pairing here.

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#51 2004Z06
February 07 2014, 09:51AM
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Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

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#52 madjam
February 07 2014, 09:51AM
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If Scrivens is better than Dubbie , then I see him getting offered a similar contract minimum .

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#53 camdog
February 07 2014, 09:55AM
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@GriffCity

Scrivens is UFA at the end of the season. If he continues to play like he has for the remainder of the season, you can give him 4, over 3 years. Either that or you watch as he goes to Calgary to play for his former GM. This is the one contract that can set Scrivens up for life, he'd be crazy to sign before the season ends for anything less.

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#54 Oiler Al
February 07 2014, 09:57AM
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I think the Bernier model would be appropriate for Scrivens as well: 13-14 = $2.400 .. 14-15=$3.400[cap numbers]/

Bishop was signed to 2.33 x 2 yrs. Schnider 4.00x 2 yrs Backstrom 3.400 and Harding 1.900 Mason 4.100 x 3 yrs. [ new contract ]

So lets not think in millions here. He still has to prove himself for a long term deal.

Will have to find a cheaper and younger back up. Bryz.. see ya.

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#55 Manfly
February 07 2014, 09:57AM
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GriffCity wrote:

Scrivens has been excellent yes, but he has not proven that he is a starter over 82 games and cannot justify being worth 4 mil just yet even to play in Edmonton. I do agree that the Oilers should sign the Spruce Grove native but not as a lock for the #1 position. Sure if he keeps up his great play through then end of the year and somehow the Oilers claw there way back to .500 hockey then I would say he is our guy for sure. In either case I feel that the Oilers should sign him asap and if he falls off over the rest of the season at least you have a viable backup for next year who could push for the #1 spot. Back ups don't make 4 millions dollars a season and up to this point in his NHL career that is all Scrivens has been. Signing him now will be cheaper than signing him at seasons end regardless of how well or poorly he plays from here moving forward. 2 -2.5 million would be fair on both ends.

i doubt Scrivins is going to get $4 mil from the Oilers anyways, but look at Jonathan Bernier. he was "unproven" in LA having backed up Quick for many seasons and played no more than 25 games in a season for them. he's not getting $4 mil either, but he has clearly become the Leafs #1 goalie as the season has progressed. so i'm hoping we can have the same thing happen here with Scrivins. have him and another goalie battle it out next season and see if he can become the #1 we have long sought. i am willing to gamble on this guy.

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#56 Rama Lama
February 07 2014, 10:02AM
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Given our recent history of really bad goaltender........I would be ready to sign a cut out. I think it would be wise to make Scrivens an offer now on a two year deal, if he will accept that?

Robin I heard your assesment along with Gregor and you both brought up some good points on Gagner. What if LA offered their first round pick along with Clifford, would that do it?

The asset would be gold around the draft and could be traded for a real player that the Oil need.

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#57 camdog
February 07 2014, 10:04AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

Isn't it quite a bit of work to break in a new set of pads? Doesn't the mask go good with the pads?

Personally I don't think he's made his mind up yet.

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#58 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:06AM
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tileguy wrote:

I think he is at that age where the security of 10 mil in the bank will let him sleep at night and if his carear goes up in smoke ie injury, then he is set. He is till young enough that after 3 years he is still in his prime and the big contract can come then.

Perhaps it reflects the difference between our personality.

I am more aggressive and am willing to take risk for more profit, and that is also reflected in my retirement investment.

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#59 Death Metal Nightmare
February 07 2014, 10:06AM
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players this, players that... what concerns me after watching the final 1/4 of the second and full third yesterday against the Rangers was that this team is just extremely sloppy with (and without) the puck.

the "puck possession" model here is complete bogus. this team plays in a panic and rarely executes a crisp pass that sets the tempo (it's been like this for at least 3 seasons, anyway). they are NOT in control of the game. adding bigger bodies going to fix that? adding some non-skinny Nintendo Hockey D-men going to fix that? adding one assistant going to fix that? it might help a little but are those truly the fixes or is there something deeper and more fundamental about the hockey IQ and overall passivity of this collective?

Jeff Petry's brain farts worry me at his age.

mad props to the Taylor Hall being the chaos creator yesterday for Gagner to get that pass to Yak. must be nice having someone who works their butt off and isnt scared to help create something for your teammates. get Gagner out of here - sooner the better. ive been waiting 3 seasons, at minimum, for that sham to be over.

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#61 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:10AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

I think the Bernier model would be appropriate for Scrivens as well: 13-14 = $2.400 .. 14-15=$3.400[cap numbers]/

Bishop was signed to 2.33 x 2 yrs. Schnider 4.00x 2 yrs Backstrom 3.400 and Harding 1.900 Mason 4.100 x 3 yrs. [ new contract ]

So lets not think in millions here. He still has to prove himself for a long term deal.

Will have to find a cheaper and younger back up. Bryz.. see ya.

Isn't a cheaper and younger back up with a young and unproven starter the problem that the Leafs ran into 2 years ago?

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#62 tileguy
February 07 2014, 10:11AM
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pkam wrote:

Perhaps it reflects the difference between our personality.

I am more aggressive and am willing to take risk for more profit, and that is also reflected in my retirement investment.

I thought the gov't took care of you in retirement. *)

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#63 tileguy
February 07 2014, 10:14AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Linus Omark waived by the Sabres . . . another organization that has failed to understand his offensive brilliance and potential. If you can't hack it in the NHL on two bottom-feeders, then chances are you just can't hack it in the NHL, period.

Don't we loose a draft choice because he didn't play 15 game? Iam so full of crow on this guy let's never speak his name again.

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#65 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 10:23AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

6th round conditional pick, so it's a big blow to the Oilers. They always uncover gems that deep in the draft.

Lots of people who should be eating crow on the underlying brilliance of Mr. Omark. You're one of the few who admits it.

Well obviously we should pick him up off waivers...

He could slot right into the top 6 right? I am pretty sure I read an article once where he was deemed "good"!

Or at the very least we could try and trade him for a conditional 6th round pick again!

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#66 Rama Lama
February 07 2014, 10:25AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

6th round conditional pick, so it's a big blow to the Oilers. They always uncover gems that deep in the draft.

Lots of people who should be eating crow on the underlying brilliance of Mr. Omark. You're one of the few who admits it.

Omark and his career was a direct result of the power of social media....... also goes to show how desperate Oiler fans were for a good news story.

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#67 K Pal
February 07 2014, 10:25AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

Don't forget Scrivens has been using his mask and pads this season. Bryz on the other hand, most likely burned his old equipment the day he was bought out. I'm pretty sure a comparison is not relevant.

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#68 GriffCity
February 07 2014, 10:27AM
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camdog wrote:

Scrivens is UFA at the end of the season. If he continues to play like he has for the remainder of the season, you can give him 4, over 3 years. Either that or you watch as he goes to Calgary to play for his former GM. This is the one contract that can set Scrivens up for life, he'd be crazy to sign before the season ends for anything less.

Ya maybe. Or maybe his superhuman play slows down and he ends up looking very average or worse through the remainder of the season and his value goes way down. If he has a good agent, he should be talking contract asap while he holds high value. Even now though his value is higher than it probably has ever been, he has not proven that he can maintain his excellent play over a long stretch of games. I hope that he can, but he has yet to prove it. On the other hand if he plays lights out for the rest of the year his value will continue to increase and we will have to overpay to retain him. Oilers are famous for paying players too much for good performance over a short period ie: Torres, Pisani, Horcoff and might as well list Gagner as well.

So sign Scrivens and let him play but reserve some $ for another goalie whether he's #1 or #2 cuz Scrivens may or may not be the stud he has looked like over the past 6 games.

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#69 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:30AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

6th round conditional pick, so it's a big blow to the Oilers. They always uncover gems that deep in the draft.

Lots of people who should be eating crow on the underlying brilliance of Mr. Omark. You're one of the few who admits it.

Does it mean we still get a 7th round pick?

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#70 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 10:31AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Do you think Justin Schultz might be having some regret with his decision?

Remember when they sent that DVD then went to Kelowna begging Heatly to come here.Awwwww good times.

He's a 1/2 Defensemen on the Oilers playing big minutes every night likely to get a big pay raise. I don't think he regrets a thing. This team will be good in a few seasons...I don't think he's too worried just yet.

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#71 SlowTalker
February 07 2014, 10:33AM
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vetinari wrote:

Where are the Barons today and if something happened by 1:00 pm, would the Oilers have enough time to call up a player or two for tonight's game?

I don't think Spydyr is the guy to ask. He might know more about the whereabouts of Vancouver's AHL team.

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#72 NJ
February 07 2014, 10:35AM
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Paq Twinn wrote:

That in secure with youself that you cant deal with a little pink for a month or so. Deal with it tough guy.

Putting me down because I'm tired of the pink doesn't say a thing about me, says a lot about you. Regardless, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed child.

You've just been Scrivened ...

Scrivened - verb Screwed Stopped Irrevocably denied

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#73 Help Me
February 07 2014, 10:40AM
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Scrivens is gone at the end of the year. No way will he sign with the worst managed team in the league. Wife is from the sunny south.

Some other team that actually wins will sign him, because his stock is going up.

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#74 Ed in Edmonton
February 07 2014, 10:41AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Linus Omark waived by the Sabres . . . another organization that has failed to understand his offensive brilliance and potential. If you can't hack it in the NHL on two bottom-feeders, then chances are you just can't hack it in the NHL, period.

The Predators must be laughing now. They will be able to pick up Omark and not have to give up Weber!!

If only fancy shoot out goals in the KHL makes an NHL player.

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#75 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 10:54AM
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@Help Me

See I think what you forget is that as much as we all see the negativity around KLowe and the FOKs we forget that on any other team in the league these players would be getting severely reduced minutes or starts.

You don't think Scrivens is doing his best right now because he wants to be a starter. He's not going to get magically signed elsewhere in the league to be a starter. He'll get signed as a backup goaltender. Why would he want that? He wants to play hockey and show that he is a starter. If that means playing a 60 game worth season for the Oilers and bringing them up the standings teams will notice and he'll get signed the big bucks.

How do you think Luongo became such a high end goaltender on the losing Florida Panthers? Because they let him start he proved he is an NHL starter and then moved on from there. If Scrivens can prove he is a legit starter in the NHL then when his Oilers contract ends (if he resigns here) he'll move on and get paid top dollars.

Until then, the best he does is backup to someone who has a winning record and an established goaltender.

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#76 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 11:05AM
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Bens holding all the cards at this table. I'd use this break and make the decision if he's part of this group going forward. There should be enough faith earned from the Oilers for a 10 million over 4 yr offer I think. If he wants the full UFA experience, he could probably get 3.5 per out of a desperate Oiler squad July 1st. See if he'll jump at that 10 over 4 yrs. If not, move him at the deadline. 3.5 on July 1st will trump all other offers he'll get by a country mile. Save the possible July 1st snub and try and get it done now. Marincin/Pronger jr. looks like a lock to be inside that top 3 group as far as blueliners go on this team.

If Gagner for Clifford are the only players trading places in that deal. Only thing that makes sense is if the Kings take on the full 4.8 over the duration of his deal. Thought Gags and Hemsky together would fetch something decent at the deadline for a playoff bound team with a little cap space left. Maybe get back a second and a third rounder they lost in the Paajarvi /Scrivens deals.

Should be interesting to see if this team can force Eakins into the gas chamber before the summer. Many a night it appears they don't care much at all for this passionless leader when it comes to game time. It doesn't matter if a 6th coach inside of 7 yrs is needed. If the players aren't going to respond to the coaching staff, it needs to be removed again despite what's happened in recent years/coaching changes. These kids need competent direction now. Not in a few years when Eakins finally gets his act together.... FREE YAKUPOV!

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#78 Marcus
February 07 2014, 11:11AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

BTW, NHL goalies don't get their equipment from Sport Check. Custom made and it's on the way.

https://twitter.com/VaughnHockey/status/425681312754569217

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#79 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:16AM
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oilabroad wrote:

Its not just 6 games for Scrivens, his GA for the season are far better than anything we are likely to get in the offseason. He is a local kid (which seems to be something management has identified as important), he is the right age, and the dollars wont be huge... sign him up and move on to the other holes that need to be filled

this is bang on, but...

regarding those holes that need to be filled - we should not be rushing on Scrivens (or Gags), we should let this ride closer to the trade deadline. There is a real roadblock of teams gunning for Wildcard spots - 11 teams vying for 2 spots.

We can certainly offer one of our extra small skilled forwards and now we can also offer a red-hot goalie. And since Scrivens might be a flash in the pan, and since goalies can be added closer to a real run... we need to consider using this.

#1D and a big top 6 guy please.

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#80 Oiler Al
February 07 2014, 11:24AM
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pkam wrote:

Isn't a cheaper and younger back up with a young and unproven starter the problem that the Leafs ran into 2 years ago?

Recall when and young , unproven, starter beat the Oilers in the 2006 Stanley Cup.

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#81 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 11:32AM
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@Spoils

Or this will work the opposite as you are seeing it. The closer we get to the trade deadline the more teams will decide to be sellers and Gags value goes further down the sewer. And as a team that has been begging for average goaltending, is it really wise to put scrivens in play? Its about time the the oilers started solidifying(sp?) some roster spots or there will be no chance of signing anyone useful in the offseason.

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#82 pkam
February 07 2014, 11:32AM
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tileguy wrote:

I thought the gov't took care of you in retirement. *)

Sorry, no such luck. I am not a senator, MP, MLA, or government employee.

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#83 Randaman
February 07 2014, 11:32AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

MacT isn't firing Eakins between now and the start of next season.

He will add a veteran coach -- my vote as of now is Ramsay -- before they change the head coach again. My sense is Smith and Buchberger are on shakier ground than Eakins.

I pray that you are correct about Smith & Buchberger. They need to be gone. PERIOD!!

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#84 pkam
February 07 2014, 11:42AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Recall when and young , unproven, starter beat the Oilers in the 2006 Stanley Cup.

That may work in hockey deserts like the Carolina.

It is different under the pressure in crazy Canadian hockey cities like Toronto and Edmonton.

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#85 Oilbaron
February 07 2014, 11:55AM
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Ok this is one of those times when you have to put the stats aside and instead use your eyes with your brain to judge goal-tending capability.

Look at the way Scrivens plays. Look at the Callahan stop and listen to him explain his reaction on the play.

Look at the San Jose game... Dubnyk would never make be able to make some of those stops

Sign this guy up now, he'll be worth every penny

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#86 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:55AM
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I'd like to see these three trades made:

-Gagner + next year's first pick for Seth Jones

-Hemsky + next year's second pick for Kyle Clifford

-Scrivens for someone's second pick

Also- I'd much rather get Tyler Toffoli than Kyle Clifford, maybe there's a sweetener to get that.

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#87 Max
February 07 2014, 12:13PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

If that's all you have to be concerned about, you are a sad character. Maybe he LIKES his Shakespeare quotes, maybe he's too busy worrying about relocating his family, schools for his kids etc., maybe, just maybe his spare time is occupied with intense training to be the number 1, with trying to find a home for his family and with less mundane things to think about rather than changing his mask right now.

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#88 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 12:14PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

MacT isn't firing Eakins between now and the start of next season.

He will add a veteran coach -- my vote as of now is Ramsay -- before they change the head coach again. My sense is Smith and Buchberger are on shakier ground than Eakins.

Even you have the democratic right to be wrong Robin. Don't let your post announcement routine taint your 30 yrs of watching this game.

This experiment has crashed and burned. The players haven't improved at all during the season. It tells me the important players on this team have already tuned him out. These kids want/need an example. What has Dallas done besides demand their respect. He doesn't have the balls/experience to side step earning their respect.

He's already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game. Don't think MacT has the time to allow the players to send him this message even further. A veteran coach like Maurice is worth 20 more points in the standings. What the frigg has Eakins done, besides start making every mistake in the book once or twice. I'm sure Yakupov can't wait for Dallas to get the boot.

Me score goals, win game.....good, no? Love his passion for the game.

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#89 Lochenzo
February 07 2014, 12:21PM
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Trading away Gagner for a winger seems inconsistent with the stated goal of this team being a possession type team. You need guys at centre and defence that can control the puck. The Oilers don't have enough of these possession-type guys at either position. I can understand moving Gagner and filling the void with a better 2-way centre for the 2nd line, but that means you'd better have another deal in your back pocket.

And then there is the issue of finding a top-2 Dman, which means another deal, but you've traded away two bargaining chips already.

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#90 nuge2nail
February 07 2014, 12:24PM
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Draft the future second line center at the draft this year....

Gagner is too small, dump his cap, trade him and fill some team holes...

Clifford, King and Muzzin

For

Gagner @2.4 for 2 years

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#91 Lochenzo
February 07 2014, 12:24PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

Yak looked great to me last night. Good positionally, not all over the map as he was earlier in the year. The goal he scored was due to him being in position, third man high.

Yak's got plenty of emotions and talent. He just needs to channel it in the right way and last night, I did see a lot of that.

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#92 SRELIOFAN
February 07 2014, 12:31PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but his equipment doesn't even have the Kings logo on it! It looks pretty awesome, so why should Scrivens rush getting new gear when he doesn't even know if he's going to be staying here?

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#93 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:41PM
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Remember folks, There are only 4 games between now and the trade deadline. The situation teams are in today is likely the same come March 5th.

You wont know any more about Scrivens as a player by the Trade Deadline than you already do. Mac T has this time to negotiate and see where the scrivens camp is at.

Also, In terms of teams grabbing players in the next 20 mins, it doesn't make much sense for them because they'll be paying that salary over the olympic break w/o any games being played. Might as well wait until afterwards.

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#94 Help Me
February 07 2014, 12:48PM
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See I think what you forget is that as much as we all see the negativity around KLowe and the FOKs we forget that on any other team in the league these players would be getting severely reduced minutes or starts.

You don't think Scrivens is doing his best right now because he wants to be a starter. He's not going to get magically signed elsewhere in the league to be a starter. He'll get signed as a backup goaltender. Why would he want that? He wants to play hockey and show that he is a starter. If that means playing a 60 game worth season for the Oilers and bringing them up the standings teams will notice and he'll get signed the big bucks.

How do you think Luongo became such a high end goaltender on the losing Florida Panthers? Because they let him start he proved he is an NHL starter and then moved on from there. If Scrivens can prove he is a legit starter in the NHL then when his Oilers contract ends (if he resigns here) he'll move on and get paid top dollars.

Until then, the best he does is backup to someone who has a winning record and an established goaltender.

Nope, he's gone. There is some smart manager out there on a winning team that will recognize his value.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but 14 years worst team in the league. What agent would give advice to sign with this team over a dumb one. Not any smart agent that's for sure.

Until management changes and the agents and players don't view Edmonton as a joke, the Oilers are going nowhere.

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#95 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:50PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Draft the future second line center at the draft this year....

Gagner is too small, dump his cap, trade him and fill some team holes...

Clifford, King and Muzzin

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Gagner @2.4 for 2 years

There is no possible way that trade would ever happen.

Muzzin has the 3rd highest TOI of all LA defensemen (making him part of the 3/4 tandem) and his salary is 1m/yr. LA wouldnt part with that kind of value even if it were straight up Muzzin for Gagner @ 2.4.

There was an LAK insider on the Gregor show last night that said LA is quite high on Muzzin and they have no plans to move him for anything other than part of a much bigger deal. Specifically, nothing involving Gagner as the sole item coming back.

At this point, I think we might be lucky to get Clifford and King for Gagner but something tells me even that wont happen (from LA's point of view).

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February 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Yak looked great to me last night. Good positionally, not all over the map as he was earlier in the year. The goal he scored was due to him being in position, third man high.

Yak's got plenty of emotions and talent. He just needs to channel it in the right way and last night, I did see a lot of that.

I actually thought he looked a little like a spectator on that line with Hall and Nuge.

I tweeted out that all he should be doing is finding a way to get open in a shooting lane, and let nuge/hall work the puck around (Yak is no good at that part).

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February 07 2014, 12:58PM
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Omark needs to play one more game for any team in the NHL in order for Buffalo to be forced to give the Oilers a 6th round pick. What is stopping the Oilers from picking him up off waivers and dressing him for a game instead of Gazdic?

Is there a rule preventing that?

A six round pick likely turns into nothing at all, but it could also be a lottery ticket to the next Pavel Datsyuk. Better to have a ticket than nothing.

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February 07 2014, 01:01PM
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Gagner is playing the worst hockey of his career right now, and sure enough everyone in Edmonton thinks that now is the right time to trade him.

so brutal. Why the hell would you trade a guy when his value is at its lowest?

The offseason was the right time, before the jaw injury. Now he's worth nothing more than a package that is centered around Clifford? wow.

Gagner will rebound next year, that's when you trade him. Trading him now would be devastating.

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#99 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 01:16PM
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Help Me wrote:

Nope, he's gone. There is some smart manager out there on a winning team that will recognize his value.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but 14 years worst team in the league. What agent would give advice to sign with this team over a dumb one. Not any smart agent that's for sure.

Until management changes and the agents and players don't view Edmonton as a joke, the Oilers are going nowhere.

The kind of agent who is thinking about his players future moneymaking efforts rather than a short term gain.

If Scrivens develops while playing as the starter here, he will be much better off getting lots of shots a night and proving he's the best damn thing. Compared to sitting on the bench behind another tendy watching them play all the time, getting a few nights in.

You forget that players, coaches, managers and fans recognize that the Oilers are just missing a few pieces before they are a contender for being a competitive team in this league. Everyone knows that when they play their game they will light you up BADLY. It's playing consistent and getting the defensive zone covered.

THEY ARE MISSING A TOP TWO DEFENCE AND THEY WILL BE UP THERE.

So for Scrivens to fly away now from his home town team, he would be giving up a prime opportunity to play and make lots of money if he doesn't Devan Dubnyk this whole thing.

We all talk about the management and team as a joke because we are the ones who watch every game and feel angry every time we see a loss.

Besides KLowe, who else in management do you want gone? MacT, he's done more to improve this team than any GM in years here. He tried Eakins out at coaching, he is struggling in his first year but slowly things are coming together and improving.

They had a set back this year in their progression through the rebuild, players they thought would perform clearly are not. So now MacT has the hard task of putting in a temporary fix to the defensive game and the small forward mix he's given. Those are EXTREMELY HARD PROBLEMS TO SOLVE BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS THOSE PLAYERS.

If MacT makes no attempt at improving the concern areas over the next 9 months, then you are absolutely right fire them all and start fresh with a new expansion team in Seattle or Greater Toronto.

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#100 scott
February 07 2014, 01:20PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Given our recent history of really bad goaltender........I would be ready to sign a cut out. I think it would be wise to make Scrivens an offer now on a two year deal, if he will accept that?

Robin I heard your assesment along with Gregor and you both brought up some good points on Gagner. What if LA offered their first round pick along with Clifford, would that do it?

The asset would be gold around the draft and could be traded for a real player that the Oil need.

Rama you have lost your mind. Read my lips NO MORE DRAFT PICKS

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