THE PITCH: TIMING IS EVERYTHING

Robin Brownlee
February 06 2014 11:28PM

Whether you go by gut-feeling or spreadsheet, there's no way of knowing for sure if Ben Scrivens is the real deal the Edmonton Oilers have been waiting for in the goal crease, but there's no question he's making a compelling and timely case that he is.

I gave my take on Scrivens and Ilya Bryzgalov and Edmonton's goaltending situation a few days ago as both approach UFA status, so I won't re-paint the big picture I outlined, but it's difficult not to look at Scrivens again after he made 35 saves in a 2-1 win over the New York Rangers.

With six games in the books for the Oilers, the 27-year-old stopper from Spruce Grove has stopped 219 of the 231 shots he's faced, which translates to a .948 saves percentage. He's 3-3-0 with a 2.01 goals-against average.

Small sample size (as the stats guys are fond of saying)? Sure. Does six games mean GM Craig MacTavish should back up the Brink's truck for Scrivens to convince him not to test the UFA market? No. This could be a remarkably hot stretch, nothing more.

REALITY CHECK

That said, the reality is MacTavish does not have the luxury of taking a longer look than what he'll get beyond the end of the regular season where Scrivens is concerned. There's an element of risk because of that.

The way I see it, MacTavish would be well-advised to make Scrivens and agent Jay Fee an offer sooner rather than later. At the same time, it makes sense for Scrivens and Fee to let this play out and test the market. I tend to think that's how it'll unfold.

One thing's certain, Scrivens couldn’t have picked a better time to play the best goal of his brief NHL career. Every time he puts in a performance like he did against the Rangers, his price goes up. While he's not going to play at a .948 clip indefinitely, he's going to get paid.

ALL THAT TALK ABOUT SAM

I'd like to think that even Sam Gagner's harshest critics, and there are many who fall into that category, understand that trading him to the Los Angeles Kings for Kyle Clifford straight up is a move only a fool would make. Say what you want about MacTavish, he's no fool.

While it's nonsense on so many levels, at least as a one-for-one swap, there's so much smoke surrounding discussions between L.A. GM Dean Lombardi and MacTavish that there's got to be some fire there. One supposed insider even suggested today via Twitter Gagner would be shipped to Tinseltown before the New York game. Well, no.

The only way a swap involving Gagner and Clifford makes sense – I'm not the first to suggest this – is if there's other players involved on both sides, and I'm not just talking about Lombardi flipping the draft pick the Oilers gave up for Scrivens back to Edmonton.

Youngster Tyler Toffoli, a centre, was the subject of much speculation as an add-in from the L.A. side of things, but that tips the scales too far in favor of the Oilers for Lombardi to bite. If this talk turns into a trade, there's got to be somebody from Edmonton's end going south to square it up.

WHAT ABOUT RAMSAY?

If the Oilers are looking to add a coach to their staff in support of Eakins between now and next season -- they are -- they should be taking a long look at Craig Ramsay, who was sacked by the Florida Panthers last November when head coach Kevin Dineen was let go.

Ramsay, 62, who has made coaching stops with Florida, Ottawa, Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay, where he won the Stanley Cup in 2004, is the kind of teacher and technical coach who'd be a fit here.

WHILE I'M AT IT . . .

. . . I said it on Twitter today and I'll say it again: while I see a need for MacTavish to bolster his forwards with grit and size that can play in the top six, I'd like to think he's making calls about proven defensemen. You won’t get a top-pairing blueliner for Gagner, but I'd like to think he can fetch a veteran capable of playing in the second pairing here.

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#51 Help Me
February 07 2014, 10:40AM
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Scrivens is gone at the end of the year. No way will he sign with the worst managed team in the league. Wife is from the sunny south.

Some other team that actually wins will sign him, because his stock is going up.

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#52 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 01:58PM
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@tabs

You would trade the hardest working, most productive player on the Oilers...

Are you the same kind of person that would trade Crosby or Ovechkin off your team?

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#53 DangerSteve
February 07 2014, 08:00AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Don't tease me with those names. It would never happen for E-town...

...would it? D:

I am not trying to tease. He just told me that and like yourself I was pretty excited. I doubt it will be something that big, but if they do land Vanek I think one of those guys would be on the move out. Especially if they want to re-sign Vanek after this season.

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#54 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 11:05AM
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Bens holding all the cards at this table. I'd use this break and make the decision if he's part of this group going forward. There should be enough faith earned from the Oilers for a 10 million over 4 yr offer I think. If he wants the full UFA experience, he could probably get 3.5 per out of a desperate Oiler squad July 1st. See if he'll jump at that 10 over 4 yrs. If not, move him at the deadline. 3.5 on July 1st will trump all other offers he'll get by a country mile. Save the possible July 1st snub and try and get it done now. Marincin/Pronger jr. looks like a lock to be inside that top 3 group as far as blueliners go on this team.

If Gagner for Clifford are the only players trading places in that deal. Only thing that makes sense is if the Kings take on the full 4.8 over the duration of his deal. Thought Gags and Hemsky together would fetch something decent at the deadline for a playoff bound team with a little cap space left. Maybe get back a second and a third rounder they lost in the Paajarvi /Scrivens deals.

Should be interesting to see if this team can force Eakins into the gas chamber before the summer. Many a night it appears they don't care much at all for this passionless leader when it comes to game time. It doesn't matter if a 6th coach inside of 7 yrs is needed. If the players aren't going to respond to the coaching staff, it needs to be removed again despite what's happened in recent years/coaching changes. These kids need competent direction now. Not in a few years when Eakins finally gets his act together.... FREE YAKUPOV!

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#55 Lochenzo
February 07 2014, 12:24PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

Yak looked great to me last night. Good positionally, not all over the map as he was earlier in the year. The goal he scored was due to him being in position, third man high.

Yak's got plenty of emotions and talent. He just needs to channel it in the right way and last night, I did see a lot of that.

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#56 Rdubb
February 07 2014, 08:49AM
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I don't think MacT has to back up the brinks truck, but he should offer Scrivens a 2 or 3 yr deal worth about $1.7-$2.4 per season, & if by chance MacT also signs a big name tender in the off season and signs them to a $4M per deal, then you still only have $6-$7M tied up in 2 goalies, which isn't too bad, and if MacT can only get a capable journey man back-up signed for $1m per, well, now you have very little monies tied up in your goalies and you can go out and try and sign one or two big D men. Plus, I thought Ben carried the load real good when Quick went down and he has carried it over to Edmonton. When we first got Ben, I didn't know a lot about him, but from what I have seen these past 2 weeks, he just may be our goalie for 4 or 5 yrs, or until Broissiot (you know who I mean) is ready to come up, back up for a yr or two and then take the reins, in a perfect world that is... It sounds like Ben is fitting in very good in the Oil room, and it sounds like his mates like him a lot, although stopping the puck helps that out a TON too... Sign Scrivens soon & go from there... Peck

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#57 camdog
February 07 2014, 09:55AM
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@GriffCity

Scrivens is UFA at the end of the season. If he continues to play like he has for the remainder of the season, you can give him 4, over 3 years. Either that or you watch as he goes to Calgary to play for his former GM. This is the one contract that can set Scrivens up for life, he'd be crazy to sign before the season ends for anything less.

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#58 Manfly
February 07 2014, 09:57AM
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GriffCity wrote:

Scrivens has been excellent yes, but he has not proven that he is a starter over 82 games and cannot justify being worth 4 mil just yet even to play in Edmonton. I do agree that the Oilers should sign the Spruce Grove native but not as a lock for the #1 position. Sure if he keeps up his great play through then end of the year and somehow the Oilers claw there way back to .500 hockey then I would say he is our guy for sure. In either case I feel that the Oilers should sign him asap and if he falls off over the rest of the season at least you have a viable backup for next year who could push for the #1 spot. Back ups don't make 4 millions dollars a season and up to this point in his NHL career that is all Scrivens has been. Signing him now will be cheaper than signing him at seasons end regardless of how well or poorly he plays from here moving forward. 2 -2.5 million would be fair on both ends.

i doubt Scrivins is going to get $4 mil from the Oilers anyways, but look at Jonathan Bernier. he was "unproven" in LA having backed up Quick for many seasons and played no more than 25 games in a season for them. he's not getting $4 mil either, but he has clearly become the Leafs #1 goalie as the season has progressed. so i'm hoping we can have the same thing happen here with Scrivins. have him and another goalie battle it out next season and see if he can become the #1 we have long sought. i am willing to gamble on this guy.

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#59 Rama Lama
February 07 2014, 10:02AM
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Given our recent history of really bad goaltender........I would be ready to sign a cut out. I think it would be wise to make Scrivens an offer now on a two year deal, if he will accept that?

Robin I heard your assesment along with Gregor and you both brought up some good points on Gagner. What if LA offered their first round pick along with Clifford, would that do it?

The asset would be gold around the draft and could be traded for a real player that the Oil need.

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#60 tileguy
February 07 2014, 10:14AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Linus Omark waived by the Sabres . . . another organization that has failed to understand his offensive brilliance and potential. If you can't hack it in the NHL on two bottom-feeders, then chances are you just can't hack it in the NHL, period.

Don't we loose a draft choice because he didn't play 15 game? Iam so full of crow on this guy let's never speak his name again.

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#61 NJ
February 07 2014, 10:35AM
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Paq Twinn wrote:

That in secure with youself that you cant deal with a little pink for a month or so. Deal with it tough guy.

Putting me down because I'm tired of the pink doesn't say a thing about me, says a lot about you. Regardless, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed child.

You've just been Scrivened ...

Scrivened - verb Screwed Stopped Irrevocably denied

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#62 pkam
February 07 2014, 09:02AM
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tileguy wrote:

Anybody here think you can sign Scrivens for 2 mil, raise your hands...didn't think so, try 3 for 3 years min.

If I was Scrivens I will prefer a 1 year bridge at 2M or 2 year bridge at 2.5M to prove myself and get the big contract earlier.

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#63 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 07 2014, 09:47AM
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Just heard Letang is out six weeks after suffering a stroke? Lordy, hope he's okay.

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#64 pkam
February 07 2014, 11:32AM
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tileguy wrote:

I thought the gov't took care of you in retirement. *)

Sorry, no such luck. I am not a senator, MP, MLA, or government employee.

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#65 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:29PM
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oilerjed wrote:

Next Year?!?! Enough with the next year talk. When is a good time next year? around the trade deadline when another season is already decided. There is a finite amount of time with these players and the time for them to start learning winning is NOW! Then when they actually get in the playoffs they may stand a chance instead of 1-2 one and dones and suddenly we are talking extensions on our core with no history of being able to win. Not advocating cleaning out the cupboards of the future, just start fillingholes now. It may take 2-3 years to fillem all.

Gagner has already been here 4 years too long, WTF give him another 2 or 3 years to prove himself.

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#66 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 01:55PM
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@tabs

Umm..re-read my comment..

I'm telling you that I don't think he's worth the $4.8mil and that there is no way Lombardi wants to pick up that kind of contract straight up in exchange for a big forward. Unless the Oilers were retaining a huge chunk of Gagners salary it's not happening.

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#67 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 02:12PM
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@tabs

He's also a franchise player, a player like Eberle, Yak or Gagner are expendable assets. Hall is the kind of player you try and build a team around. Is he the same caliber as Crosby, no, but he's the kind of player you don't ever want to trade because of what he does for your team.

I would trade some serious pieces for Weber in a heart beat, but certainly not our best player.

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#68 Danger Pay
February 07 2014, 02:16PM
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Make an Offer. Management practically gave the net to Duby and he blew it, Big time. The problem is, does Scrivens want to play here?

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#69 Zarny
February 07 2014, 02:37PM
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tabs wrote:

You honestly believe organizations have never stalled/impaired a players development?

And you're calling someone else delusional!

Stalling or not developing a player properly is not the same as "damaging their desire to play the game".

It's clear from comments that many posting on ON are quitters, because they assume that's how hyper-competitive athletes think. They don't and that mentality is pathetic and embarrassing.

I'm sure Eakins isn't Yak's favorite coach, but "damaging his desire to play the game".

Get a grip.

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#70 j
February 07 2014, 08:42AM
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719 wrote:

Never thought about Ramsay before but that would make alot of sense for this team.

As for Gagner trade. I can see the Oilers wanting Mike Richards. He would be a perfect veteran type the Oilers would need as a second line centre. I thought he had a no trade clause though?

If it was Mike Richards coming back, the Oilers would have to include more than Gagner, so the idea of a multi player trade that the rumor mill has been churning out would make sense.

It depends. If the Kings are coveting Vanek then it is the NYI who we have to appease. And Vanek is a UFA. Would Gagner, a prospect and a 2 rounder in 2016 work? I mentioned Richards the other day as I really think he could be in play. The Kings have too many players that grind out games. They need some finesse. Richards is 4 years older and likely to wear down much faster given the type of game he plays. Would be a great deal for the Oil.

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#71 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 09:08AM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

They did convince Justin Schultz to come to the frozen tundra...so I will give them a single nugget of success.

Nothing more though, one good deed doesn't make up for the landslide of dropped nuggets.

And I love me some nuggets.

Do you think Justin Schultz might be having some regret with his decision?

Remember when they sent that DVD then went to Kelowna begging Heatly to come here.Awwwww good times.

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#72 CdnMaDCoW
February 07 2014, 09:19AM
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Scrivens sure has looked good for us so far but I have a baaad feeling that he doesn't even want to sign here. After all that BS about our media tyrants bashing his wife's twitter remarks, I figure the Scrivens' are looking to get outta Dodge. Thanks for the ride Ben. It was fun while it lasted.

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#73 Manfly
February 07 2014, 09:23AM
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CdnMaDCoW wrote:

Scrivens sure has looked good for us so far but I have a baaad feeling that he doesn't even want to sign here. After all that BS about our media tyrants bashing his wife's twitter remarks, I figure the Scrivens' are looking to get outta Dodge. Thanks for the ride Ben. It was fun while it lasted.

bull....that would be the day that a hand full for tweetheads makes the decision on whether or not Ben signs here!

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#74 pkam
February 07 2014, 09:35AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Do you think Justin Schultz might be having some regret with his decision?

Remember when they sent that DVD then went to Kelowna begging Heatly to come here.Awwwww good times.

The management should not get credit for beating the other 28 team in landing Justin if he regrets about his decision? Really?

So the Ducks management must be much worse than ours because a player they drafted regretted to be drafted by them so much and wanted out before his ELC with them.

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#75 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:10AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

I think the Bernier model would be appropriate for Scrivens as well: 13-14 = $2.400 .. 14-15=$3.400[cap numbers]/

Bishop was signed to 2.33 x 2 yrs. Schnider 4.00x 2 yrs Backstrom 3.400 and Harding 1.900 Mason 4.100 x 3 yrs. [ new contract ]

So lets not think in millions here. He still has to prove himself for a long term deal.

Will have to find a cheaper and younger back up. Bryz.. see ya.

Isn't a cheaper and younger back up with a young and unproven starter the problem that the Leafs ran into 2 years ago?

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#76 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 10:54AM
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@Help Me

See I think what you forget is that as much as we all see the negativity around KLowe and the FOKs we forget that on any other team in the league these players would be getting severely reduced minutes or starts.

You don't think Scrivens is doing his best right now because he wants to be a starter. He's not going to get magically signed elsewhere in the league to be a starter. He'll get signed as a backup goaltender. Why would he want that? He wants to play hockey and show that he is a starter. If that means playing a 60 game worth season for the Oilers and bringing them up the standings teams will notice and he'll get signed the big bucks.

How do you think Luongo became such a high end goaltender on the losing Florida Panthers? Because they let him start he proved he is an NHL starter and then moved on from there. If Scrivens can prove he is a legit starter in the NHL then when his Oilers contract ends (if he resigns here) he'll move on and get paid top dollars.

Until then, the best he does is backup to someone who has a winning record and an established goaltender.

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#77 Max
February 07 2014, 12:13PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

If that's all you have to be concerned about, you are a sad character. Maybe he LIKES his Shakespeare quotes, maybe he's too busy worrying about relocating his family, schools for his kids etc., maybe, just maybe his spare time is occupied with intense training to be the number 1, with trying to find a home for his family and with less mundane things to think about rather than changing his mask right now.

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#78 nuge2nail
February 07 2014, 12:24PM
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Draft the future second line center at the draft this year....

Gagner is too small, dump his cap, trade him and fill some team holes...

Clifford, King and Muzzin

For

Gagner @2.4 for 2 years

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#79 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:40PM
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Zarny wrote:

You're delusional.

The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.

The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at.

Eakins has already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game?

Get a grip. Maybe you are weak-minded and quit that easily.

Guys that make the NHL? Umm no.

You honestly believe organizations have never stalled/impaired a players development?

And you're calling someone else delusional!

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#80 Zarny
February 07 2014, 02:24PM
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James Mirtle wrote an great article chronicling the rise of Finnish and Swedish goaltenders over the last 10-15 years. I would include the US too but for different reasons.

Finland realized that goal-tending could be a great equalizer for a tiny country. They invested heavily in G development to the point where most minor league G in Finland have trained G coaches. Sweden then started borrowing from Finland improving on the system.

The results are evident. Finland beat Sweden for the Gold at this year's World Jr's. Finnish and Swedish goalies dominate the best league in the world.

I think there are parallels between tiny countries like Finland & Sweden and a small market like Edmonton.

Short of being Stanley Cup favorites, Edmonton will always have difficulties attracting top free agents. As we've seen with Scrivens goaltending can be a great equalizer.

Since drafting Dubnyk in 2004, the Oilers have only drafted 5 G in 9 drafts and only 1 in the first 4 rounds. They bet it all on Dubnyk and lost.

I agree MacT should make Scrivens an offer sooner rather than later. He's unproven so anything over 2-3 years is risky; and the only teams who will be looking for starting G are Edm, Florida, NYI, Buf (if they trade Miller) and maybe Calgary.

MacT can't stop there. The mentality of waiting for 1 prospect/player and assuming they'll develop has to end. Especially in such a critical position like G.

There are numerous young G who have done well this year. They won't cost Yakupov, Eberle or a 1st round pick. Go get one to push Scrivens.

Going forward the Oilers should always be heavily investing in G. Anh has 4 G who are better than anything Edm has except maybe Scrivens. That should be the Oilers.

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#81 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 04:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The first statement, 4-12-2 since then they have improved? Where exactly can a 29th or 30th team go but up? Does it mean there actual getting better? Or are they now seeing other teams Qual Comp less?

When was the last team to play there starting goalie against the Oilers?

How much time did the other teams star players play against the Oilers? (I’ll give you a hint it’s lower then the average)

They have been out shot, out chanced and dominated 5X5 in their last wins, including being dominated at times by the 30th place Buffalo Sabers.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2

“The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at”

This is a bit of a stretch as well, if you recall last season The Oilers were down to just 2 centers for the most of the year, one which couldn’t lift his arm past his head, the Oilers never had a true number 1 or number 2 center almost all of last year due to injuries.

This season they are actually performing worse.

All the core players are.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/05/has-craig-mactavish-done-better-than-steve-tambellini-did-as-gm-of-the-oilers/

If you can’t see the change in Yakupov’s game the I guess almost everyone including the stats are wrong? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing

Zarny is another one of those Oiler employees trying to contain this supposed disturbance in the force. Guess we should just forgive him of his sins since he's only doing his job.

If I cherry picked 20 "chosen" games out of this seasons shedule, I could argue that 2+2=5 as well.

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#82 Manfly
February 07 2014, 09:19AM
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yup, we must sign him! and the Oilers will likely try to find another goalie in the off season to share the duties with Scrivins.

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#83 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 09:30AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

When does the trade freeze kick in? 1 PM?

Yup, 3pm eastern 1pm mountain time.

Are your fingers crossed?

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#84 tileguy
February 07 2014, 09:34AM
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pkam wrote:

If I was Scrivens I will prefer a 1 year bridge at 2M or 2 year bridge at 2.5M to prove myself and get the big contract earlier.

I think he is at that age where the security of 10 mil in the bank will let him sleep at night and if his carear goes up in smoke ie injury, then he is set. He is till young enough that after 3 years he is still in his prime and the big contract can come then.

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#85 Westcoastoil
February 07 2014, 09:35AM
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You can't get drunk and pay Scrivens on .948 in 6 games. What is the market for a top backup or Potential #1? That plus maybe 15% tops because you're over a barrel, but any more makes no sense because what other team is going to pay him more than that? Spend the rest on fixing the D

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#86 vetinari
February 07 2014, 09:36AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yup, 3pm eastern 1pm mountain time.

Are your fingers crossed?

Where are the Barons today and if something happened by 1:00 pm, would the Oilers have enough time to call up a player or two for tonight's game?

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#87 GriffCity
February 07 2014, 09:42AM
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NJ wrote:

Had to reply.

If Scrivens sustain's his current play, that would make him the #1 goalie in the league.

4 Mill wouldn't be reasonable. It would be a bargain. 6+ would be reasonable. The question is not what's reasonable, it's "Can he sustain his current level of play" and how much are you willing to gamble on that?

The one thing I'm convinced of is that Scrivens WANTS to be a number one and will battle for it. Bryz I think could be the backup we're looking for and could even push for the #1 job. Plus, who doesn't like a crazy Russian.

Sorry for the double post.

Scrivens has been excellent yes, but he has not proven that he is a starter over 82 games and cannot justify being worth 4 mil just yet even to play in Edmonton. I do agree that the Oilers should sign the Spruce Grove native but not as a lock for the #1 position. Sure if he keeps up his great play through then end of the year and somehow the Oilers claw there way back to .500 hockey then I would say he is our guy for sure. In either case I feel that the Oilers should sign him asap and if he falls off over the rest of the season at least you have a viable backup for next year who could push for the #1 spot. Back ups don't make 4 millions dollars a season and up to this point in his NHL career that is all Scrivens has been. Signing him now will be cheaper than signing him at seasons end regardless of how well or poorly he plays from here moving forward. 2 -2.5 million would be fair on both ends.

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#88 Oiler Al
February 07 2014, 09:57AM
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I think the Bernier model would be appropriate for Scrivens as well: 13-14 = $2.400 .. 14-15=$3.400[cap numbers]/

Bishop was signed to 2.33 x 2 yrs. Schnider 4.00x 2 yrs Backstrom 3.400 and Harding 1.900 Mason 4.100 x 3 yrs. [ new contract ]

So lets not think in millions here. He still has to prove himself for a long term deal.

Will have to find a cheaper and younger back up. Bryz.. see ya.

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#89 Death Metal Nightmare
February 07 2014, 10:06AM
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players this, players that... what concerns me after watching the final 1/4 of the second and full third yesterday against the Rangers was that this team is just extremely sloppy with (and without) the puck.

the "puck possession" model here is complete bogus. this team plays in a panic and rarely executes a crisp pass that sets the tempo (it's been like this for at least 3 seasons, anyway). they are NOT in control of the game. adding bigger bodies going to fix that? adding some non-skinny Nintendo Hockey D-men going to fix that? adding one assistant going to fix that? it might help a little but are those truly the fixes or is there something deeper and more fundamental about the hockey IQ and overall passivity of this collective?

Jeff Petry's brain farts worry me at his age.

mad props to the Taylor Hall being the chaos creator yesterday for Gagner to get that pass to Yak. must be nice having someone who works their butt off and isnt scared to help create something for your teammates. get Gagner out of here - sooner the better. ive been waiting 3 seasons, at minimum, for that sham to be over.

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#90 SlowTalker
February 07 2014, 10:33AM
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vetinari wrote:

Where are the Barons today and if something happened by 1:00 pm, would the Oilers have enough time to call up a player or two for tonight's game?

I don't think Spydyr is the guy to ask. He might know more about the whereabouts of Vancouver's AHL team.

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#91 Oiler Al
February 07 2014, 11:24AM
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pkam wrote:

Isn't a cheaper and younger back up with a young and unproven starter the problem that the Leafs ran into 2 years ago?

Recall when and young , unproven, starter beat the Oilers in the 2006 Stanley Cup.

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#92 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 11:32AM
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@Spoils

Or this will work the opposite as you are seeing it. The closer we get to the trade deadline the more teams will decide to be sellers and Gags value goes further down the sewer. And as a team that has been begging for average goaltending, is it really wise to put scrivens in play? Its about time the the oilers started solidifying(sp?) some roster spots or there will be no chance of signing anyone useful in the offseason.

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#93 Lochenzo
February 07 2014, 12:21PM
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Trading away Gagner for a winger seems inconsistent with the stated goal of this team being a possession type team. You need guys at centre and defence that can control the puck. The Oilers don't have enough of these possession-type guys at either position. I can understand moving Gagner and filling the void with a better 2-way centre for the 2nd line, but that means you'd better have another deal in your back pocket.

And then there is the issue of finding a top-2 Dman, which means another deal, but you've traded away two bargaining chips already.

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#94 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Yak looked great to me last night. Good positionally, not all over the map as he was earlier in the year. The goal he scored was due to him being in position, third man high.

Yak's got plenty of emotions and talent. He just needs to channel it in the right way and last night, I did see a lot of that.

I actually thought he looked a little like a spectator on that line with Hall and Nuge.

I tweeted out that all he should be doing is finding a way to get open in a shooting lane, and let nuge/hall work the puck around (Yak is no good at that part).

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#95 K_Mart
February 07 2014, 01:01PM
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Gagner is playing the worst hockey of his career right now, and sure enough everyone in Edmonton thinks that now is the right time to trade him.

so brutal. Why the hell would you trade a guy when his value is at its lowest?

The offseason was the right time, before the jaw injury. Now he's worth nothing more than a package that is centered around Clifford? wow.

Gagner will rebound next year, that's when you trade him. Trading him now would be devastating.

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#96 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:37PM
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@tabs

Gagner for Dwight King straight up and LA picks up 100% of Gagner's contract would be a super for the Oilers. Though I doubt LA would do the deal.

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#97 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 01:41PM
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@tabs

If MacT has some serious blackmail on Lombardi then that could happen

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#98 tabs
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DisappointedFan wrote:

Umm..re-read my comment..

I'm telling you that I don't think he's worth the $4.8mil and that there is no way Lombardi wants to pick up that kind of contract straight up in exchange for a big forward. Unless the Oilers were retaining a huge chunk of Gagners salary it's not happening.

My bad, you're absolutely right.

Last summer I valued Gagner as high as a low 2nd round pick, King is much better then a 2nd round pick plus the Kings would be paying on an inflated contract.

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#99 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 02:07PM
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Zarny wrote:

You're delusional.

The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.

The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at.

Eakins has already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game?

Get a grip. Maybe you are weak-minded and quit that easily.

Guys that make the NHL? Umm no.

The first statement, 4-12-2 since then they have improved? Where exactly can a 29th or 30th team go but up? Does it mean there actual getting better? Or are they now seeing other teams Qual Comp less?

When was the last team to play there starting goalie against the Oilers?

How much time did the other teams star players play against the Oilers? (I’ll give you a hint it’s lower then the average)

They have been out shot, out chanced and dominated 5X5 in their last wins, including being dominated at times by the 30th place Buffalo Sabers.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2

“The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at”

This is a bit of a stretch as well, if you recall last season The Oilers were down to just 2 centers for the most of the year, one which couldn’t lift his arm past his head, the Oilers never had a true number 1 or number 2 center almost all of last year due to injuries.

This season they are actually performing worse.

All the core players are.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/05/has-craig-mactavish-done-better-than-steve-tambellini-did-as-gm-of-the-oilers/

If you can’t see the change in Yakupov’s game the I guess almost everyone including the stats are wrong? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing

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#100 pkam
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tileguy wrote:

I think he is at that age where the security of 10 mil in the bank will let him sleep at night and if his carear goes up in smoke ie injury, then he is set. He is till young enough that after 3 years he is still in his prime and the big contract can come then.

Perhaps it reflects the difference between our personality.

I am more aggressive and am willing to take risk for more profit, and that is also reflected in my retirement investment.

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