THE PITCH: TIMING IS EVERYTHING

Robin Brownlee
February 06 2014 11:28PM

Whether you go by gut-feeling or spreadsheet, there's no way of knowing for sure if Ben Scrivens is the real deal the Edmonton Oilers have been waiting for in the goal crease, but there's no question he's making a compelling and timely case that he is.

I gave my take on Scrivens and Ilya Bryzgalov and Edmonton's goaltending situation a few days ago as both approach UFA status, so I won't re-paint the big picture I outlined, but it's difficult not to look at Scrivens again after he made 35 saves in a 2-1 win over the New York Rangers.

With six games in the books for the Oilers, the 27-year-old stopper from Spruce Grove has stopped 219 of the 231 shots he's faced, which translates to a .948 saves percentage. He's 3-3-0 with a 2.01 goals-against average.

Small sample size (as the stats guys are fond of saying)? Sure. Does six games mean GM Craig MacTavish should back up the Brink's truck for Scrivens to convince him not to test the UFA market? No. This could be a remarkably hot stretch, nothing more.

REALITY CHECK

That said, the reality is MacTavish does not have the luxury of taking a longer look than what he'll get beyond the end of the regular season where Scrivens is concerned. There's an element of risk because of that.

The way I see it, MacTavish would be well-advised to make Scrivens and agent Jay Fee an offer sooner rather than later. At the same time, it makes sense for Scrivens and Fee to let this play out and test the market. I tend to think that's how it'll unfold.

One thing's certain, Scrivens couldn’t have picked a better time to play the best goal of his brief NHL career. Every time he puts in a performance like he did against the Rangers, his price goes up. While he's not going to play at a .948 clip indefinitely, he's going to get paid.

ALL THAT TALK ABOUT SAM

I'd like to think that even Sam Gagner's harshest critics, and there are many who fall into that category, understand that trading him to the Los Angeles Kings for Kyle Clifford straight up is a move only a fool would make. Say what you want about MacTavish, he's no fool.

While it's nonsense on so many levels, at least as a one-for-one swap, there's so much smoke surrounding discussions between L.A. GM Dean Lombardi and MacTavish that there's got to be some fire there. One supposed insider even suggested today via Twitter Gagner would be shipped to Tinseltown before the New York game. Well, no.

The only way a swap involving Gagner and Clifford makes sense – I'm not the first to suggest this – is if there's other players involved on both sides, and I'm not just talking about Lombardi flipping the draft pick the Oilers gave up for Scrivens back to Edmonton.

Youngster Tyler Toffoli, a centre, was the subject of much speculation as an add-in from the L.A. side of things, but that tips the scales too far in favor of the Oilers for Lombardi to bite. If this talk turns into a trade, there's got to be somebody from Edmonton's end going south to square it up.

WHAT ABOUT RAMSAY?

If the Oilers are looking to add a coach to their staff in support of Eakins between now and next season -- they are -- they should be taking a long look at Craig Ramsay, who was sacked by the Florida Panthers last November when head coach Kevin Dineen was let go.

Ramsay, 62, who has made coaching stops with Florida, Ottawa, Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay, where he won the Stanley Cup in 2004, is the kind of teacher and technical coach who'd be a fit here.

WHILE I'M AT IT . . .

. . . I said it on Twitter today and I'll say it again: while I see a need for MacTavish to bolster his forwards with grit and size that can play in the top six, I'd like to think he's making calls about proven defensemen. You won’t get a top-pairing blueliner for Gagner, but I'd like to think he can fetch a veteran capable of playing in the second pairing here.

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#101 tileguy
February 07 2014, 10:11AM
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pkam wrote:

Perhaps it reflects the difference between our personality.

I am more aggressive and am willing to take risk for more profit, and that is also reflected in my retirement investment.

I thought the gov't took care of you in retirement. *)

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#102 GriffCity
February 07 2014, 10:27AM
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camdog wrote:

Scrivens is UFA at the end of the season. If he continues to play like he has for the remainder of the season, you can give him 4, over 3 years. Either that or you watch as he goes to Calgary to play for his former GM. This is the one contract that can set Scrivens up for life, he'd be crazy to sign before the season ends for anything less.

Ya maybe. Or maybe his superhuman play slows down and he ends up looking very average or worse through the remainder of the season and his value goes way down. If he has a good agent, he should be talking contract asap while he holds high value. Even now though his value is higher than it probably has ever been, he has not proven that he can maintain his excellent play over a long stretch of games. I hope that he can, but he has yet to prove it. On the other hand if he plays lights out for the rest of the year his value will continue to increase and we will have to overpay to retain him. Oilers are famous for paying players too much for good performance over a short period ie: Torres, Pisani, Horcoff and might as well list Gagner as well.

So sign Scrivens and let him play but reserve some $ for another goalie whether he's #1 or #2 cuz Scrivens may or may not be the stud he has looked like over the past 6 games.

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#103 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:16AM
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oilabroad wrote:

Its not just 6 games for Scrivens, his GA for the season are far better than anything we are likely to get in the offseason. He is a local kid (which seems to be something management has identified as important), he is the right age, and the dollars wont be huge... sign him up and move on to the other holes that need to be filled

this is bang on, but...

regarding those holes that need to be filled - we should not be rushing on Scrivens (or Gags), we should let this ride closer to the trade deadline. There is a real roadblock of teams gunning for Wildcard spots - 11 teams vying for 2 spots.

We can certainly offer one of our extra small skilled forwards and now we can also offer a red-hot goalie. And since Scrivens might be a flash in the pan, and since goalies can be added closer to a real run... we need to consider using this.

#1D and a big top 6 guy please.

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#104 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 01:16PM
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Help Me wrote:

Nope, he's gone. There is some smart manager out there on a winning team that will recognize his value.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but 14 years worst team in the league. What agent would give advice to sign with this team over a dumb one. Not any smart agent that's for sure.

Until management changes and the agents and players don't view Edmonton as a joke, the Oilers are going nowhere.

The kind of agent who is thinking about his players future moneymaking efforts rather than a short term gain.

If Scrivens develops while playing as the starter here, he will be much better off getting lots of shots a night and proving he's the best damn thing. Compared to sitting on the bench behind another tendy watching them play all the time, getting a few nights in.

You forget that players, coaches, managers and fans recognize that the Oilers are just missing a few pieces before they are a contender for being a competitive team in this league. Everyone knows that when they play their game they will light you up BADLY. It's playing consistent and getting the defensive zone covered.

THEY ARE MISSING A TOP TWO DEFENCE AND THEY WILL BE UP THERE.

So for Scrivens to fly away now from his home town team, he would be giving up a prime opportunity to play and make lots of money if he doesn't Devan Dubnyk this whole thing.

We all talk about the management and team as a joke because we are the ones who watch every game and feel angry every time we see a loss.

Besides KLowe, who else in management do you want gone? MacT, he's done more to improve this team than any GM in years here. He tried Eakins out at coaching, he is struggling in his first year but slowly things are coming together and improving.

They had a set back this year in their progression through the rebuild, players they thought would perform clearly are not. So now MacT has the hard task of putting in a temporary fix to the defensive game and the small forward mix he's given. Those are EXTREMELY HARD PROBLEMS TO SOLVE BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS THOSE PLAYERS.

If MacT makes no attempt at improving the concern areas over the next 9 months, then you are absolutely right fire them all and start fresh with a new expansion team in Seattle or Greater Toronto.

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#105 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 01:23PM
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K_Mart wrote:

Gagner is playing the worst hockey of his career right now, and sure enough everyone in Edmonton thinks that now is the right time to trade him.

so brutal. Why the hell would you trade a guy when his value is at its lowest?

The offseason was the right time, before the jaw injury. Now he's worth nothing more than a package that is centered around Clifford? wow.

Gagner will rebound next year, that's when you trade him. Trading him now would be devastating.

Next Year?!?! Enough with the next year talk. When is a good time next year? around the trade deadline when another season is already decided. There is a finite amount of time with these players and the time for them to start learning winning is NOW! Then when they actually get in the playoffs they may stand a chance instead of 1-2 one and dones and suddenly we are talking extensions on our core with no history of being able to win. Not advocating cleaning out the cupboards of the future, just start fillingholes now. It may take 2-3 years to fillem all.

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#106 oilerman53
February 07 2014, 01:28PM
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A few thoughts on some of the issues and topics at the moment for the Oilers. First off their play has seemed to settle down quite a bit, their are those moments where they still look like a fire drill in their own zone so this needs to be remedied by adding a couple of veterans. Second is the play of Scrivens, if I were this guy I would accept a tabled offer from the Oilers at say maybe a 2 yr deal to show what he can do next season. 2 yrs for a tryout seems a bit much but in the end its Scrivens himself who holds all the cards as of now. His play has given the team some of its lost confidence knowing he can be relied upon to make the big save if need be. He would be wise to accept an offer like that too because he basically got given up on by both LA and Toronto in favor of Bernier and Jones.

Third thought is the trade value of lets say Gagner and Hemsky. Everyone knows that they have had a couple of off years and Gagner isn't going to cure you of your ailing defense deficiencies but he is a useful player. He's almost strictly an offensive player at this point of his career. No more no less, any team that wants him will pay handsomely because he can score and pass. All other aspects of his game outside of that are a wash. Gagner straight up for Clifford makes no sense on our end. Best course of action is to wait until the trade deadline or maybe even the draft. At the draft you can package him to get a defenseman unless a team gets really desperate at the deadline and offers us a top 4 defender. Same thing he nothing less then a top 4 dman for Gagner. Hemsky will get us a prospect or a first rounder. A team like lets say Anaheim, Pittsburgh or New Jersey will be choosing late in the first round so something like this doesn't really haunt you. I think the best course is trade away Gagner, Hemsky, Petry and anyone who may get us some picks that we can swap out at the draft. Then we'll be able to retool and use that high pick to net us a top 4 dman and a center for the second line who's north of 6'2 220.

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#107 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:52PM
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@tabs

If MacT was considering a bold move I'd be in favor of Hall for Doughty but I seriously doubt the Kings would do that deal.

I would trade Hall for 5 or 6 D-men in the league.

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#108 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 01:59PM
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SlowTalker wrote:

I don't think Spydyr is the guy to ask. He might know more about the whereabouts of Vancouver's AHL team.

The Barons are in Charlotte but it is after 1pm and no news.Since you asked the heat are home in Abbotsford in the middle of a four game homestand.

Just for the record the only two teams I like less then Vancouver are Calgary and Toronto.

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#109 tabs
February 07 2014, 02:06PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

You would trade the hardest working, most productive player on the Oilers...

Are you the same kind of person that would trade Crosby or Ovechkin off your team?

Yes, I would. A guy like Drew Doughty, Weber etc would do more for the Oilers then someone like Hall imo. Though I respect Hall's game immensely he has traits that he needs to lose.

Taylor Hall is far from the best player in the league, you know that right?

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#110 Serious Gord
February 07 2014, 02:24PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

MacT isn't firing Eakins between now and the start of next season.

He will add a veteran coach -- my vote as of now is Ramsay -- before they change the head coach again. My sense is Smith and Buchberger are on shakier ground than Eakins.

That's what they said last year - that they were just going to get an assistAnt to help kreuger...

My guess is that if a FOK coach becomes available in the summer Eakins is out on his ear. And if it's messier who's interested he could be gone as early as this afternoon.

And no way they hire an idependent-minded assistant.

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#111 help me
February 07 2014, 03:20PM
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@DisappointedFan

The whole works needs to go. Lowe mac t and all the old boys. 14 years. No player wants to come to an organization with the worst management in the league. They will be chasing 4th liners and bottom players as long as they are in charge.

Are u paying 15000 a year for the past 10 yrs to be the last place team. The lowe type 1 fan is tired of it.

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#112 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 05:12PM
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Pittsburgh needs a RW to slot in with Crosby and Kunitz. Hemsky and N. Schultz for the Pens 1st this summer.

After all these years we're still in sell the farm mode.

@ Wes....great, got away for 6 weeks and back at it. Never a dull moment, trying to fix our Oilers. How about yourself?

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#113 oilersfan123
February 07 2014, 05:15PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The first statement, 4-12-2 since then they have improved? Where exactly can a 29th or 30th team go but up? Does it mean there actual getting better? Or are they now seeing other teams Qual Comp less?

When was the last team to play there starting goalie against the Oilers?

How much time did the other teams star players play against the Oilers? (I’ll give you a hint it’s lower then the average)

They have been out shot, out chanced and dominated 5X5 in their last wins, including being dominated at times by the 30th place Buffalo Sabers.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2

“The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at”

This is a bit of a stretch as well, if you recall last season The Oilers were down to just 2 centers for the most of the year, one which couldn’t lift his arm past his head, the Oilers never had a true number 1 or number 2 center almost all of last year due to injuries.

This season they are actually performing worse.

All the core players are.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/05/has-craig-mactavish-done-better-than-steve-tambellini-did-as-gm-of-the-oilers/

If you can’t see the change in Yakupov’s game the I guess almost everyone including the stats are wrong? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing

Winning is the main thing. Who cares if they get outchanced on occasion?

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#114 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 07 2014, 05:33PM
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If only Hall could get that second assist on his goal. It might help bump his numbers some.

Just keepin it real.

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#115 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 07 2014, 09:26AM
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When does the trade freeze kick in? 1 PM?

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#116 camdog
February 07 2014, 09:43AM
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CdnMaDCoW wrote:

Scrivens sure has looked good for us so far but I have a baaad feeling that he doesn't even want to sign here. After all that BS about our media tyrants bashing his wife's twitter remarks, I figure the Scrivens' are looking to get outta Dodge. Thanks for the ride Ben. It was fun while it lasted.

Man oh man when a guy from Toronto, aka a LEAF FAN bashes E-town and it's published across the country in a nationally covered paper, it doesn't mean the local media are TYRANTS!

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#117 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:30AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

6th round conditional pick, so it's a big blow to the Oilers. They always uncover gems that deep in the draft.

Lots of people who should be eating crow on the underlying brilliance of Mr. Omark. You're one of the few who admits it.

Does it mean we still get a 7th round pick?

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#118 pkam
February 07 2014, 11:42AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Recall when and young , unproven, starter beat the Oilers in the 2006 Stanley Cup.

That may work in hockey deserts like the Carolina.

It is different under the pressure in crazy Canadian hockey cities like Toronto and Edmonton.

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#119 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:55AM
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I'd like to see these three trades made:

-Gagner + next year's first pick for Seth Jones

-Hemsky + next year's second pick for Kyle Clifford

-Scrivens for someone's second pick

Also- I'd much rather get Tyler Toffoli than Kyle Clifford, maybe there's a sweetener to get that.

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#120 SRELIOFAN
February 07 2014, 12:31PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but his equipment doesn't even have the Kings logo on it! It looks pretty awesome, so why should Scrivens rush getting new gear when he doesn't even know if he's going to be staying here?

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#121 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:41PM
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Remember folks, There are only 4 games between now and the trade deadline. The situation teams are in today is likely the same come March 5th.

You wont know any more about Scrivens as a player by the Trade Deadline than you already do. Mac T has this time to negotiate and see where the scrivens camp is at.

Also, In terms of teams grabbing players in the next 20 mins, it doesn't make much sense for them because they'll be paying that salary over the olympic break w/o any games being played. Might as well wait until afterwards.

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#122 Help Me
February 07 2014, 12:48PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

See I think what you forget is that as much as we all see the negativity around KLowe and the FOKs we forget that on any other team in the league these players would be getting severely reduced minutes or starts.

You don't think Scrivens is doing his best right now because he wants to be a starter. He's not going to get magically signed elsewhere in the league to be a starter. He'll get signed as a backup goaltender. Why would he want that? He wants to play hockey and show that he is a starter. If that means playing a 60 game worth season for the Oilers and bringing them up the standings teams will notice and he'll get signed the big bucks.

How do you think Luongo became such a high end goaltender on the losing Florida Panthers? Because they let him start he proved he is an NHL starter and then moved on from there. If Scrivens can prove he is a legit starter in the NHL then when his Oilers contract ends (if he resigns here) he'll move on and get paid top dollars.

Until then, the best he does is backup to someone who has a winning record and an established goaltender.

Nope, he's gone. There is some smart manager out there on a winning team that will recognize his value.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but 14 years worst team in the league. What agent would give advice to sign with this team over a dumb one. Not any smart agent that's for sure.

Until management changes and the agents and players don't view Edmonton as a joke, the Oilers are going nowhere.

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#123 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:50PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Draft the future second line center at the draft this year....

Gagner is too small, dump his cap, trade him and fill some team holes...

Clifford, King and Muzzin

For

Gagner @2.4 for 2 years

There is no possible way that trade would ever happen.

Muzzin has the 3rd highest TOI of all LA defensemen (making him part of the 3/4 tandem) and his salary is 1m/yr. LA wouldnt part with that kind of value even if it were straight up Muzzin for Gagner @ 2.4.

There was an LAK insider on the Gregor show last night that said LA is quite high on Muzzin and they have no plans to move him for anything other than part of a much bigger deal. Specifically, nothing involving Gagner as the sole item coming back.

At this point, I think we might be lucky to get Clifford and King for Gagner but something tells me even that wont happen (from LA's point of view).

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#124 Truth
February 07 2014, 12:58PM
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Omark needs to play one more game for any team in the NHL in order for Buffalo to be forced to give the Oilers a 6th round pick. What is stopping the Oilers from picking him up off waivers and dressing him for a game instead of Gazdic?

Is there a rule preventing that?

A six round pick likely turns into nothing at all, but it could also be a lottery ticket to the next Pavel Datsyuk. Better to have a ticket than nothing.

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#125 scott
February 07 2014, 01:20PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Given our recent history of really bad goaltender........I would be ready to sign a cut out. I think it would be wise to make Scrivens an offer now on a two year deal, if he will accept that?

Robin I heard your assesment along with Gregor and you both brought up some good points on Gagner. What if LA offered their first round pick along with Clifford, would that do it?

The asset would be gold around the draft and could be traded for a real player that the Oil need.

Rama you have lost your mind. Read my lips NO MORE DRAFT PICKS

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#126 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 01:45PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Just heard Letang is out six weeks after suffering a stroke? Lordy, hope he's okay.

I cannot prop that but thanks for the news,bad as it is.

Like you I sure hope he is OK.Off to google news.

Edit :link to the story here:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=704165

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#127 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:46PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

If MacT has some serious blackmail on Lombardi then that could happen

When a deal for Gagner is done make sure you stop by to tell everyone that you might just have overvalued Gags a tad.

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#128 tabs
February 07 2014, 02:23PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

He's also a franchise player, a player like Eberle, Yak or Gagner are expendable assets. Hall is the kind of player you try and build a team around. Is he the same caliber as Crosby, no, but he's the kind of player you don't ever want to trade because of what he does for your team.

I would trade some serious pieces for Weber in a heart beat, but certainly not our best player.

You have Hall rated much higher and Yak much lower than I.

Don't get me wrong I like Hall but I don't think he'll have the impact that other "franchise players" have had in the game.

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#129 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 02:35PM
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tabs wrote:

You have Hall rated much higher and Yak much lower than I.

Don't get me wrong I like Hall but I don't think he'll have the impact that other "franchise players" have had in the game.

You could say I rate my "Production" players by performance, points and +/- equal performance when that is why you're on the team. Some players perform and others do not.

Maybe it's the coach, maybe it's the players with him, maybe he doesn't like the professional game; regardless, he is barely visible most nights and an impact player for other teams on other nights. The odd night (like last night) he made a small difference for the Oilers.

But as it is right now, Yakupov is -29 and staying pretty steady where he is.

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#130 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 04:44PM
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help me wrote:

The whole works needs to go. Lowe mac t and all the old boys. 14 years. No player wants to come to an organization with the worst management in the league. They will be chasing 4th liners and bottom players as long as they are in charge.

Are u paying 15000 a year for the past 10 yrs to be the last place team. The lowe type 1 fan is tired of it.

The only people who should be shelling out $15,000/year are people who wouldn't complain about having shelled out $15,000/year for a bad product.

Ever consider no one wants to trade with the Oilers because we don't have anything they want...?

Lowe I can't understand shoo'ing away, same with Bucky and Steve, MacT has no hand to play, and Eakins is still trying to learn to coach the NHL.

The only people who can make an IMMEDIATE difference, are the players on the ice. End of story, if they don't play smart, they won't win. Kevin Lowe isn't magically holding their sticks or threatening them "IF YOU PLAY WELL I'LL CUT YOU!" and if he is, then yeah I can see your point.

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#131 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 05:05PM
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Zarny wrote:

Well Walter...the last team to play their starting G was SJ on January 29th...4 games ago. The game before that Vancouver started Luongo. Nsh starter is injured but the game before that was Phx and they started Smith. The 2 games prior to Phx were Van and Wpg. Again both starters played.

Star players playing lower minutes against the Oilers?

Well let's see...against the Rangers McDonaugh, Girardi, Callahan, Staal, Stralman, Stepan and Nash all played equal to or more than their average TOI/game.

Against Bos Chara played 27:50 compared to his season average of 24.57. Boychuk played 20:09 to his season average of 21:05. Krejci played 20:15 to his season average of 19:31.

So nope...other teams aren't playing their star players less against the Oilers I'm afraid.

Last season Nuge missed 8 games and Gagner missed none. Horcoff was the 3rd line C not 1 or 2. That's who missed significant time last year.

So I'm afraid last year the Oilers actually had their 1 and 2 C for most of the games. This year both started the year on the IR. Nuge's shoulder bothered him last year but he started the season in peak condition after playing in the AHL during the lockout.

This year he started the year on the IR with Gagner and was not in peak condition when he came back considering he was coming off surgery and wasn't able to train in the off-season.

It's not a stretch in the slightest that the first 20 games were an anomaly considering they've almost been at 0.500 since. That's the definition of an anomaly.

Had the Oilers started 8-10-2 instead of 4-14-2 and picked up 1 or 2 wins after with better G they'd be sitting exactly where I stated with Nsh, Car and NJ.

Now that certainly isn't something to plan a parade around; but it also doesn't warrant wetting your pants and completely losing touch with reality like we've seen on ON.

The two teams you mentioned were NYR who are in a battle to stay in the playoffs & BOS who are trying to catch PITT so those players are playing more.

again, missing the point, my point is the Oilers are going to see more and more of the back up’s, coaches are going to start resting the starters against the Oilers as the season closes, that’s just the way it is.

If by “peak” condition do you mean the same RNH that played 25 minutes in a game upon his return? That same not in peak condition player? The same RNH that has played 25 minutes in a game four or five times this year?

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/02/07/ryan-nugent-hopkins-out-for-up-to-10-days-with-new-shoulder-injury/

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681750

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681375

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/02/06/ryan-

nugent-hopkins-shoulder-injury-means-edmonton-oilers-injury-train-grows-by-one

That goes back to 2012, with RNH & his shoulder injury, so with RNH out basically the whole year last year, that’s your number 1 center going down & not playing anywhere near the way he should have played in the NHL & AHL as he missed time there as well, that means Gagner played a lot of top line minutes, Gagner is not a number 1 center…

As mentioned earlier, both Belanger & Horcoff being down a substantial amount of time that left the Oilers only 1 functional Center.

“It's not a stretch in the slightest that the first 20 games were an anomaly considering they've almost been at 0.500 since. That's the definition of an anomaly”

The first 20 games are what they were a terrible stretch by a bad hockey team, or should I mention that Scrivens 970 SV % is an anomaly and will come crashing down to reality to the mean of around 920 SV% resulting in more goals and loses for the Oilers?

No, I won’t, I am concerned about and what you seem to think where an improvement has been made?

“The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.”

I’m looking at the numbers and they don’t lie

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing#gid=0

You show me the improvement there? You talk about the 4-12-2 as an anomaly, I’m here to tell you that the anomaly is the Oilers recent winning streak & Scrivens while obviously a good goalie will come crashing down.

These numbers tell a different story then the one you preach.

I want the Oilers to start winning just like the next person, but it's hard to get jacked up when numbers like these are being made.

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#132 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 05:08PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Zarny is another one of those Oiler employees trying to contain this supposed disturbance in the force. Guess we should just forgive him of his sins since he's only doing his job.

If I cherry picked 20 "chosen" games out of this seasons shedule, I could argue that 2+2=5 as well.

It's ok, I like his passion, and he reminds me of the good version of DSF. Which can’t be all bad, he keeps guys like me in check anyways.

how you been?

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#133 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 05:40PM
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oilersfan123 wrote:

Winning is the main thing. Who cares if they get outchanced on occasion?

It's not that there just being out-chanced on occasion.

They are being out shot, ,out chanced & the SV% is well above the NHL average almost every game

This is a Disastrous combination.

If Winning is just the main thing then you have the Maple Leafs.

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#134 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 05:43PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Pittsburgh needs a RW to slot in with Crosby and Kunitz. Hemsky and N. Schultz for the Pens 1st this summer.

After all these years we're still in sell the farm mode.

@ Wes....great, got away for 6 weeks and back at it. Never a dull moment, trying to fix our Oilers. How about yourself?

Nice! getting ready to take off somewhere sunny myself, get some golf in.

I like the Hemsky to Pitt, maybe a first back?

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Marcus wrote:

BTW, NHL goalies don't get their equipment from Sport Check. Custom made and it's on the way.

https://twitter.com/VaughnHockey/status/425681312754569217

Thanks for the bulletin. I am well aware of how long it takes to get equipment custom made. But it takes days to get a mask painted, not weeks. You can bet he has a spare!

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