THE PITCH: TIMING IS EVERYTHING

Robin Brownlee
February 06 2014 11:28PM

Whether you go by gut-feeling or spreadsheet, there's no way of knowing for sure if Ben Scrivens is the real deal the Edmonton Oilers have been waiting for in the goal crease, but there's no question he's making a compelling and timely case that he is.

I gave my take on Scrivens and Ilya Bryzgalov and Edmonton's goaltending situation a few days ago as both approach UFA status, so I won't re-paint the big picture I outlined, but it's difficult not to look at Scrivens again after he made 35 saves in a 2-1 win over the New York Rangers.

With six games in the books for the Oilers, the 27-year-old stopper from Spruce Grove has stopped 219 of the 231 shots he's faced, which translates to a .948 saves percentage. He's 3-3-0 with a 2.01 goals-against average.

Small sample size (as the stats guys are fond of saying)? Sure. Does six games mean GM Craig MacTavish should back up the Brink's truck for Scrivens to convince him not to test the UFA market? No. This could be a remarkably hot stretch, nothing more.

REALITY CHECK

That said, the reality is MacTavish does not have the luxury of taking a longer look than what he'll get beyond the end of the regular season where Scrivens is concerned. There's an element of risk because of that.

The way I see it, MacTavish would be well-advised to make Scrivens and agent Jay Fee an offer sooner rather than later. At the same time, it makes sense for Scrivens and Fee to let this play out and test the market. I tend to think that's how it'll unfold.

One thing's certain, Scrivens couldn’t have picked a better time to play the best goal of his brief NHL career. Every time he puts in a performance like he did against the Rangers, his price goes up. While he's not going to play at a .948 clip indefinitely, he's going to get paid.

ALL THAT TALK ABOUT SAM

I'd like to think that even Sam Gagner's harshest critics, and there are many who fall into that category, understand that trading him to the Los Angeles Kings for Kyle Clifford straight up is a move only a fool would make. Say what you want about MacTavish, he's no fool.

While it's nonsense on so many levels, at least as a one-for-one swap, there's so much smoke surrounding discussions between L.A. GM Dean Lombardi and MacTavish that there's got to be some fire there. One supposed insider even suggested today via Twitter Gagner would be shipped to Tinseltown before the New York game. Well, no.

The only way a swap involving Gagner and Clifford makes sense – I'm not the first to suggest this – is if there's other players involved on both sides, and I'm not just talking about Lombardi flipping the draft pick the Oilers gave up for Scrivens back to Edmonton.

Youngster Tyler Toffoli, a centre, was the subject of much speculation as an add-in from the L.A. side of things, but that tips the scales too far in favor of the Oilers for Lombardi to bite. If this talk turns into a trade, there's got to be somebody from Edmonton's end going south to square it up.

WHAT ABOUT RAMSAY?

If the Oilers are looking to add a coach to their staff in support of Eakins between now and next season -- they are -- they should be taking a long look at Craig Ramsay, who was sacked by the Florida Panthers last November when head coach Kevin Dineen was let go.

Ramsay, 62, who has made coaching stops with Florida, Ottawa, Boston, Atlanta, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay, where he won the Stanley Cup in 2004, is the kind of teacher and technical coach who'd be a fit here.

WHILE I'M AT IT . . .

. . . I said it on Twitter today and I'll say it again: while I see a need for MacTavish to bolster his forwards with grit and size that can play in the top six, I'd like to think he's making calls about proven defensemen. You won’t get a top-pairing blueliner for Gagner, but I'd like to think he can fetch a veteran capable of playing in the second pairing here.

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#1 2004Z06
February 07 2014, 09:51AM
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Anyone else find it interesting that Scrivens pads and mask still retain his old teams colors? At least Bryz wore a white mask and pads. Scrivens is not re signing here folks.

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#2 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:55AM
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I'd like to see these three trades made:

-Gagner + next year's first pick for Seth Jones

-Hemsky + next year's second pick for Kyle Clifford

-Scrivens for someone's second pick

Also- I'd much rather get Tyler Toffoli than Kyle Clifford, maybe there's a sweetener to get that.

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#3 The Last Big Bear
February 06 2014, 11:35PM
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Fist things first - If you allow fewer pucks on net, you don't need exceptional goaltending, and so you don't need to be backed into a corner by a flash-in-the-pan goalie on a hot streak.

Fix the defence, and things will start coming together for the Oilers, regardless of who is in net.

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#4 tileguy
February 07 2014, 12:33AM
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They did with Eakins so shut the fok up.

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#5 AHHH
February 07 2014, 08:42AM
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DangerSteve wrote:

Friend that lives in LA was texting me that after the Kings game last night the buzz was that it was a massive deal between Edmonton and LA. But a domino was to fall with the NYI. Apparently Brown or Richards were talked about heading to Edmonton, and Gagner with another player and a high draft pick going back to LA. So most likely if Vanek ends up in LA,then the Edmonton trade would be involving one of those guys. Lombardi looking for a big shakeup, and wants more skill to go with the size he has.

Ganger is not worth a bag of pucks. Slow, insignificant player against a good team. He would not make the top 2 lines on any top 10 team in the NHL.

We are going to get nothing for him. Good to get rid of his contract.

The important thing to not is the mismanagement of Gagner. They should have traded him and kept Cogliano. Well another management mistake by Lowe et al.

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#6 Serious Gord
February 06 2014, 11:49PM
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Robin:

Re: Scrivens

Two words: Roman Turek.

Far too early to sign Scrivens

Re: Ramsay

No way the FOKs allow someone as distinguished and independently respected to come inside the organization and put the FOKs at risk of damning questioning and criticism.

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#7 Retsinnab5
February 07 2014, 12:39AM
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Offer Scrivens 3mil for 2 years?

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#8 Help Me
February 07 2014, 10:40AM
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Scrivens is gone at the end of the year. No way will he sign with the worst managed team in the league. Wife is from the sunny south.

Some other team that actually wins will sign him, because his stock is going up.

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#9 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 12:14PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

MacT isn't firing Eakins between now and the start of next season.

He will add a veteran coach -- my vote as of now is Ramsay -- before they change the head coach again. My sense is Smith and Buchberger are on shakier ground than Eakins.

Even you have the democratic right to be wrong Robin. Don't let your post announcement routine taint your 30 yrs of watching this game.

This experiment has crashed and burned. The players haven't improved at all during the season. It tells me the important players on this team have already tuned him out. These kids want/need an example. What has Dallas done besides demand their respect. He doesn't have the balls/experience to side step earning their respect.

He's already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game. Don't think MacT has the time to allow the players to send him this message even further. A veteran coach like Maurice is worth 20 more points in the standings. What the frigg has Eakins done, besides start making every mistake in the book once or twice. I'm sure Yakupov can't wait for Dallas to get the boot.

Me score goals, win game.....good, no? Love his passion for the game.

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#10 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 11:05AM
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Bens holding all the cards at this table. I'd use this break and make the decision if he's part of this group going forward. There should be enough faith earned from the Oilers for a 10 million over 4 yr offer I think. If he wants the full UFA experience, he could probably get 3.5 per out of a desperate Oiler squad July 1st. See if he'll jump at that 10 over 4 yrs. If not, move him at the deadline. 3.5 on July 1st will trump all other offers he'll get by a country mile. Save the possible July 1st snub and try and get it done now. Marincin/Pronger jr. looks like a lock to be inside that top 3 group as far as blueliners go on this team.

If Gagner for Clifford are the only players trading places in that deal. Only thing that makes sense is if the Kings take on the full 4.8 over the duration of his deal. Thought Gags and Hemsky together would fetch something decent at the deadline for a playoff bound team with a little cap space left. Maybe get back a second and a third rounder they lost in the Paajarvi /Scrivens deals.

Should be interesting to see if this team can force Eakins into the gas chamber before the summer. Many a night it appears they don't care much at all for this passionless leader when it comes to game time. It doesn't matter if a 6th coach inside of 7 yrs is needed. If the players aren't going to respond to the coaching staff, it needs to be removed again despite what's happened in recent years/coaching changes. These kids need competent direction now. Not in a few years when Eakins finally gets his act together.... FREE YAKUPOV!

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#11 Still Hoping
February 07 2014, 08:39AM
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Think about this. Scrivens plays for the worst defensive team in the NHL, which has given up the most shots. He is a free agent at the end of the year.

He will be noticed by a better managed team. What is his agent going to say. Stay in Edmonton where they can only trade 4th liners for 4th liners or move to another team. My bet, he's gone.

Again, the problem is no credible management with Lowe and Mac T around.

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#12 NJ
February 07 2014, 06:15AM
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Seriously? Can we get rid of the PINK background? Find a new sponser pls!

Re: Scrivens. Trade bait? Fine. Sign him? Fine. He is not going to make or break the next season and a couple weeks ago he was worth nothing more than a draft pick. This streak hasn't changed anything except our concept of what Scrivens is worth.

My personal opinon? 1 Year. 3 million. Heck, play him 4 if he wants it. But for heaven's sake play him 60 games. Find out what you have. It took us forever to find out Duby wasn't a number one. Let's please not make that mistake again.

We don't have cap problems (really) next year so a million extra or 2 in a potential number one is no problem. Especially with 4.8 off the books.

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#13 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:52PM
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@tabs

If MacT was considering a bold move I'd be in favor of Hall for Doughty but I seriously doubt the Kings would do that deal.

I would trade Hall for 5 or 6 D-men in the league.

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#14 tileguy
February 07 2014, 12:37AM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Martin Marincin playing like a veteran has me more excited than Scrivens. In today's NHL goalies go through hot and cold streaks all the time. If you can land Scrivens at 2 years, 1.5 - 2 million I say go for it, but we need another goalie to battle with him for the #1 spot. I don't think Bryz is the guy to push him.

Anybody here think you can sign Scrivens for 2 mil, raise your hands...didn't think so, try 3 for 3 years min.

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#15 fig pucker
February 07 2014, 05:53AM
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the oilers have the problem of a huge demand and a limited supply when it comes to goaltending. what does that mean, well it means forget about a fair deal if we want to keep scrivens, just a guess but i think it will cost 4 million and 4 yrs to keep him. look miller or hiller aren't coming, so what choice do the oil have but to massively overpay and hope scrivens wants to stay. the bright side is remember schnider and bernier, they both played only backup for 2 of the better teams in the league. scrivens has played backup in tor and la and done well and seems to be up to the task of carrying the mail in edm. my point is how many of us would have complained if mact overpayed to land either of them? scrivens i think has made the case his pedigree is as good as theirs. in my opinion he's the best shot we have right now of landing a number 1. if he does sustain his current play 4 mill is reasonable.

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#16 RexHolez
February 07 2014, 07:39AM
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Scrivens plays for the oilers, so don't sign him now. Wait until his gaudy save % goes down, which it will as he plays more games behind this team

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#17 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 09:08AM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

They did convince Justin Schultz to come to the frozen tundra...so I will give them a single nugget of success.

Nothing more though, one good deed doesn't make up for the landslide of dropped nuggets.

And I love me some nuggets.

Do you think Justin Schultz might be having some regret with his decision?

Remember when they sent that DVD then went to Kelowna begging Heatly to come here.Awwwww good times.

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#18 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:40PM
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Zarny wrote:

You're delusional.

The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.

The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at.

Eakins has already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game?

Get a grip. Maybe you are weak-minded and quit that easily.

Guys that make the NHL? Umm no.

You honestly believe organizations have never stalled/impaired a players development?

And you're calling someone else delusional!

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#19 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 08:20AM
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Hopefully the "braintrust" have put out feelers to Scrivens agent.To see if he is even interested in signing here and what price would work to get that done.Get a feel for the lay of the land.

Then again the "braintrust" here never fails to show their arrogance and ineptitude when it comes to dealing with players.

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#20 NJ
February 07 2014, 10:35AM
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Paq Twinn wrote:

That in secure with youself that you cant deal with a little pink for a month or so. Deal with it tough guy.

Putting me down because I'm tired of the pink doesn't say a thing about me, says a lot about you. Regardless, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed child.

You've just been Scrivened ...

Scrivened - verb Screwed Stopped Irrevocably denied

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#21 CdnMaDCoW
February 07 2014, 09:19AM
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Scrivens sure has looked good for us so far but I have a baaad feeling that he doesn't even want to sign here. After all that BS about our media tyrants bashing his wife's twitter remarks, I figure the Scrivens' are looking to get outta Dodge. Thanks for the ride Ben. It was fun while it lasted.

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#22 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:37PM
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@tabs

Gagner for Dwight King straight up and LA picks up 100% of Gagner's contract would be a super for the Oilers. Though I doubt LA would do the deal.

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#23 Serious Gord
February 07 2014, 02:24PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

MacT isn't firing Eakins between now and the start of next season.

He will add a veteran coach -- my vote as of now is Ramsay -- before they change the head coach again. My sense is Smith and Buchberger are on shakier ground than Eakins.

That's what they said last year - that they were just going to get an assistAnt to help kreuger...

My guess is that if a FOK coach becomes available in the summer Eakins is out on his ear. And if it's messier who's interested he could be gone as early as this afternoon.

And no way they hire an idependent-minded assistant.

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#24 mlcselli
February 07 2014, 12:58AM
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My spidey senses are telling me we have just seen Gagner play his last game as an Oiler. He'll be heading to LA tomorrow, and for the love of all that is Holy, win the trade. As far as the Professor signing here, hopefully his wife likes her in laws enough to support 3 for 3.

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#25 Mason Storm
February 07 2014, 04:07AM
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bwar wrote:

I thought the going rate for a player who has one amazing game was 4.8 mill for 3 years.

Zing!!!!

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#26 NJ
February 07 2014, 06:21AM
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fig pucker wrote:

the oilers have the problem of a huge demand and a limited supply when it comes to goaltending. what does that mean, well it means forget about a fair deal if we want to keep scrivens, just a guess but i think it will cost 4 million and 4 yrs to keep him. look miller or hiller aren't coming, so what choice do the oil have but to massively overpay and hope scrivens wants to stay. the bright side is remember schnider and bernier, they both played only backup for 2 of the better teams in the league. scrivens has played backup in tor and la and done well and seems to be up to the task of carrying the mail in edm. my point is how many of us would have complained if mact overpayed to land either of them? scrivens i think has made the case his pedigree is as good as theirs. in my opinion he's the best shot we have right now of landing a number 1. if he does sustain his current play 4 mill is reasonable.

Had to reply.

If Scrivens sustain's his current play, that would make him the #1 goalie in the league.

4 Mill wouldn't be reasonable. It would be a bargain. 6+ would be reasonable. The question is not what's reasonable, it's "Can he sustain his current level of play" and how much are you willing to gamble on that?

The one thing I'm convinced of is that Scrivens WANTS to be a number one and will battle for it. Bryz I think could be the backup we're looking for and could even push for the #1 job. Plus, who doesn't like a crazy Russian.

Sorry for the double post.

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#27 Paq Twinn
February 07 2014, 06:30AM
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@NJ

That in secure with youself that you cant deal with a little pink for a month or so. Deal with it tough guy.

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#30 tabs
February 07 2014, 01:29PM
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oilerjed wrote:

Next Year?!?! Enough with the next year talk. When is a good time next year? around the trade deadline when another season is already decided. There is a finite amount of time with these players and the time for them to start learning winning is NOW! Then when they actually get in the playoffs they may stand a chance instead of 1-2 one and dones and suddenly we are talking extensions on our core with no history of being able to win. Not advocating cleaning out the cupboards of the future, just start fillingholes now. It may take 2-3 years to fillem all.

Gagner has already been here 4 years too long, WTF give him another 2 or 3 years to prove himself.

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#31 Zarny
February 07 2014, 01:34PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Even you have the democratic right to be wrong Robin. Don't let your post announcement routine taint your 30 yrs of watching this game.

This experiment has crashed and burned. The players haven't improved at all during the season. It tells me the important players on this team have already tuned him out. These kids want/need an example. What has Dallas done besides demand their respect. He doesn't have the balls/experience to side step earning their respect.

He's already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game. Don't think MacT has the time to allow the players to send him this message even further. A veteran coach like Maurice is worth 20 more points in the standings. What the frigg has Eakins done, besides start making every mistake in the book once or twice. I'm sure Yakupov can't wait for Dallas to get the boot.

Me score goals, win game.....good, no? Love his passion for the game.

You're delusional.

The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.

The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at.

Eakins has already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game?

Get a grip. Maybe you are weak-minded and quit that easily.

Guys that make the NHL? Umm no.

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#32 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 04:04PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The first statement, 4-12-2 since then they have improved? Where exactly can a 29th or 30th team go but up? Does it mean there actual getting better? Or are they now seeing other teams Qual Comp less?

When was the last team to play there starting goalie against the Oilers?

How much time did the other teams star players play against the Oilers? (I’ll give you a hint it’s lower then the average)

They have been out shot, out chanced and dominated 5X5 in their last wins, including being dominated at times by the 30th place Buffalo Sabers.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2

“The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at”

This is a bit of a stretch as well, if you recall last season The Oilers were down to just 2 centers for the most of the year, one which couldn’t lift his arm past his head, the Oilers never had a true number 1 or number 2 center almost all of last year due to injuries.

This season they are actually performing worse.

All the core players are.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/05/has-craig-mactavish-done-better-than-steve-tambellini-did-as-gm-of-the-oilers/

If you can’t see the change in Yakupov’s game the I guess almost everyone including the stats are wrong? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing

Zarny is another one of those Oiler employees trying to contain this supposed disturbance in the force. Guess we should just forgive him of his sins since he's only doing his job.

If I cherry picked 20 "chosen" games out of this seasons shedule, I could argue that 2+2=5 as well.

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#33 bwar
February 07 2014, 04:04AM
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I thought the going rate for a player who has one amazing game was 4.8 mill for 3 years.

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#34 Rama Lama
February 07 2014, 10:02AM
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Given our recent history of really bad goaltender........I would be ready to sign a cut out. I think it would be wise to make Scrivens an offer now on a two year deal, if he will accept that?

Robin I heard your assesment along with Gregor and you both brought up some good points on Gagner. What if LA offered their first round pick along with Clifford, would that do it?

The asset would be gold around the draft and could be traded for a real player that the Oil need.

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#35 Death Metal Nightmare
February 07 2014, 10:06AM
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players this, players that... what concerns me after watching the final 1/4 of the second and full third yesterday against the Rangers was that this team is just extremely sloppy with (and without) the puck.

the "puck possession" model here is complete bogus. this team plays in a panic and rarely executes a crisp pass that sets the tempo (it's been like this for at least 3 seasons, anyway). they are NOT in control of the game. adding bigger bodies going to fix that? adding some non-skinny Nintendo Hockey D-men going to fix that? adding one assistant going to fix that? it might help a little but are those truly the fixes or is there something deeper and more fundamental about the hockey IQ and overall passivity of this collective?

Jeff Petry's brain farts worry me at his age.

mad props to the Taylor Hall being the chaos creator yesterday for Gagner to get that pass to Yak. must be nice having someone who works their butt off and isnt scared to help create something for your teammates. get Gagner out of here - sooner the better. ive been waiting 3 seasons, at minimum, for that sham to be over.

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#36 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 10:23AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

6th round conditional pick, so it's a big blow to the Oilers. They always uncover gems that deep in the draft.

Lots of people who should be eating crow on the underlying brilliance of Mr. Omark. You're one of the few who admits it.

Well obviously we should pick him up off waivers...

He could slot right into the top 6 right? I am pretty sure I read an article once where he was deemed "good"!

Or at the very least we could try and trade him for a conditional 6th round pick again!

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#37 Spoils
February 07 2014, 11:16AM
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oilabroad wrote:

Its not just 6 games for Scrivens, his GA for the season are far better than anything we are likely to get in the offseason. He is a local kid (which seems to be something management has identified as important), he is the right age, and the dollars wont be huge... sign him up and move on to the other holes that need to be filled

this is bang on, but...

regarding those holes that need to be filled - we should not be rushing on Scrivens (or Gags), we should let this ride closer to the trade deadline. There is a real roadblock of teams gunning for Wildcard spots - 11 teams vying for 2 spots.

We can certainly offer one of our extra small skilled forwards and now we can also offer a red-hot goalie. And since Scrivens might be a flash in the pan, and since goalies can be added closer to a real run... we need to consider using this.

#1D and a big top 6 guy please.

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#38 Help Me
February 07 2014, 12:48PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

See I think what you forget is that as much as we all see the negativity around KLowe and the FOKs we forget that on any other team in the league these players would be getting severely reduced minutes or starts.

You don't think Scrivens is doing his best right now because he wants to be a starter. He's not going to get magically signed elsewhere in the league to be a starter. He'll get signed as a backup goaltender. Why would he want that? He wants to play hockey and show that he is a starter. If that means playing a 60 game worth season for the Oilers and bringing them up the standings teams will notice and he'll get signed the big bucks.

How do you think Luongo became such a high end goaltender on the losing Florida Panthers? Because they let him start he proved he is an NHL starter and then moved on from there. If Scrivens can prove he is a legit starter in the NHL then when his Oilers contract ends (if he resigns here) he'll move on and get paid top dollars.

Until then, the best he does is backup to someone who has a winning record and an established goaltender.

Nope, he's gone. There is some smart manager out there on a winning team that will recognize his value.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but 14 years worst team in the league. What agent would give advice to sign with this team over a dumb one. Not any smart agent that's for sure.

Until management changes and the agents and players don't view Edmonton as a joke, the Oilers are going nowhere.

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#39 oilerman53
February 07 2014, 01:28PM
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A few thoughts on some of the issues and topics at the moment for the Oilers. First off their play has seemed to settle down quite a bit, their are those moments where they still look like a fire drill in their own zone so this needs to be remedied by adding a couple of veterans. Second is the play of Scrivens, if I were this guy I would accept a tabled offer from the Oilers at say maybe a 2 yr deal to show what he can do next season. 2 yrs for a tryout seems a bit much but in the end its Scrivens himself who holds all the cards as of now. His play has given the team some of its lost confidence knowing he can be relied upon to make the big save if need be. He would be wise to accept an offer like that too because he basically got given up on by both LA and Toronto in favor of Bernier and Jones.

Third thought is the trade value of lets say Gagner and Hemsky. Everyone knows that they have had a couple of off years and Gagner isn't going to cure you of your ailing defense deficiencies but he is a useful player. He's almost strictly an offensive player at this point of his career. No more no less, any team that wants him will pay handsomely because he can score and pass. All other aspects of his game outside of that are a wash. Gagner straight up for Clifford makes no sense on our end. Best course of action is to wait until the trade deadline or maybe even the draft. At the draft you can package him to get a defenseman unless a team gets really desperate at the deadline and offers us a top 4 defender. Same thing he nothing less then a top 4 dman for Gagner. Hemsky will get us a prospect or a first rounder. A team like lets say Anaheim, Pittsburgh or New Jersey will be choosing late in the first round so something like this doesn't really haunt you. I think the best course is trade away Gagner, Hemsky, Petry and anyone who may get us some picks that we can swap out at the draft. Then we'll be able to retool and use that high pick to net us a top 4 dman and a center for the second line who's north of 6'2 220.

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#40 Walter Sobchak
February 07 2014, 02:07PM
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Zarny wrote:

You're delusional.

The Oilers started 4-14-2 in their first 20 games. They are just below 0.500 since so they've obviously improved.

The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at.

Eakins has already damaged Yakupovs desire to play the game?

Get a grip. Maybe you are weak-minded and quit that easily.

Guys that make the NHL? Umm no.

The first statement, 4-12-2 since then they have improved? Where exactly can a 29th or 30th team go but up? Does it mean there actual getting better? Or are they now seeing other teams Qual Comp less?

When was the last team to play there starting goalie against the Oilers?

How much time did the other teams star players play against the Oilers? (I’ll give you a hint it’s lower then the average)

They have been out shot, out chanced and dominated 5X5 in their last wins, including being dominated at times by the 30th place Buffalo Sabers.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2

“The first 20 games were an anomaly due to injuries hitting a roster that is paper thin and garbage goaltending. With decent G they would have 5 or 6 more W and would be sitting Nsh, Car and NJ which is a better reflection of where the team is at”

This is a bit of a stretch as well, if you recall last season The Oilers were down to just 2 centers for the most of the year, one which couldn’t lift his arm past his head, the Oilers never had a true number 1 or number 2 center almost all of last year due to injuries.

This season they are actually performing worse.

All the core players are.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/05/has-craig-mactavish-done-better-than-steve-tambellini-did-as-gm-of-the-oilers/

If you can’t see the change in Yakupov’s game the I guess almost everyone including the stats are wrong? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhMC4T3agcfmdG9OWkZvaVQ4bXJtT3Jub29BcnRsMWc&usp=sharing

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#41 tabs
February 07 2014, 02:23PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

He's also a franchise player, a player like Eberle, Yak or Gagner are expendable assets. Hall is the kind of player you try and build a team around. Is he the same caliber as Crosby, no, but he's the kind of player you don't ever want to trade because of what he does for your team.

I would trade some serious pieces for Weber in a heart beat, but certainly not our best player.

You have Hall rated much higher and Yak much lower than I.

Don't get me wrong I like Hall but I don't think he'll have the impact that other "franchise players" have had in the game.

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#42 LOIL99
February 06 2014, 11:46PM
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It can take 200+ games to know if a goalie is the real deal. Sometimes longer. Sign Scrivy, yes. But PLEASE don't overpay based on 6 games, unless he is willing to play for free during the inevitable bad 6 game stretches.

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#43 james_dean
February 07 2014, 12:38AM
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As don cherry would say reguarding felix the cat...

he faces more rubber than the michelin man

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#44 pelhem grenville
February 07 2014, 04:31AM
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...compelling debate on the whether to sign Scrivens or not on the small sample

...and he'd make terrific trade bait too!

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#45 camdog
February 07 2014, 09:55AM
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@GriffCity

Scrivens is UFA at the end of the season. If he continues to play like he has for the remainder of the season, you can give him 4, over 3 years. Either that or you watch as he goes to Calgary to play for his former GM. This is the one contract that can set Scrivens up for life, he'd be crazy to sign before the season ends for anything less.

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#46 pkam
February 07 2014, 10:06AM
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tileguy wrote:

I think he is at that age where the security of 10 mil in the bank will let him sleep at night and if his carear goes up in smoke ie injury, then he is set. He is till young enough that after 3 years he is still in his prime and the big contract can come then.

Perhaps it reflects the difference between our personality.

I am more aggressive and am willing to take risk for more profit, and that is also reflected in my retirement investment.

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#48 SlowTalker
February 07 2014, 10:33AM
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vetinari wrote:

Where are the Barons today and if something happened by 1:00 pm, would the Oilers have enough time to call up a player or two for tonight's game?

I don't think Spydyr is the guy to ask. He might know more about the whereabouts of Vancouver's AHL team.

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#49 nuge2nail
February 07 2014, 12:24PM
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Draft the future second line center at the draft this year....

Gagner is too small, dump his cap, trade him and fill some team holes...

Clifford, King and Muzzin

For

Gagner @2.4 for 2 years

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#50 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 12:54PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Yak looked great to me last night. Good positionally, not all over the map as he was earlier in the year. The goal he scored was due to him being in position, third man high.

Yak's got plenty of emotions and talent. He just needs to channel it in the right way and last night, I did see a lot of that.

I actually thought he looked a little like a spectator on that line with Hall and Nuge.

I tweeted out that all he should be doing is finding a way to get open in a shooting lane, and let nuge/hall work the puck around (Yak is no good at that part).

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