BIG OPPORTUNITY

Lowetide
February 07 2014 09:13PM

The trade for Ben Scrivens looks like a quality move by Oilers GM Craig MacTavish. However, Oiler fans have gone from "well, maybe Scrivens will be okay" to "why didn't they sign him right away!?!?!" and Oiler management is being cast as incompetent in a whole new way. The Oilers have something of value for young Srivens—beyond money. That one thing is probably the key to signing him, and doing it in due time.

WORK!

The Oilers can offer Ben Scrivens work, and plenty of it. Now, he might not get 50+ shots a night, but he'll be busy until these young players mature and begin pushing back against good NHL teams (all of the good NHL teams are in the Pacific Division—I'm kidding but only a little).

Edmonton could go to Scrivens during the Olympic break and offer a lucrative contract that goes beyond his resume. If they extended a two or three-year offer with dollars between $2M and $3M a season, I can't imagine the young man turning it down. There's some real security in that contract for Scrivens.

It's still a risky contract for the Oilers, as Scrivens doesn't have a lot of experience and the club just went through a disaster in goal early this season. What if Scrivens is unable to repeat his season in 2014-15? Once bitten, twice shy is a cliche for a reason.

WHAT ABOUT SIGNING SCRIVENS TO A ONE-YEAR DEAL?

If he signs a one year deal, wins the #1 job and kills it, you're paying a lot of money for additional free agent seasons. Then again, if the Oilers have another poor season that may not be MacTavish's problem. Among decisions to be made in the next six months, starting goaltender is pretty damn big.

DAMMIT MAN, WHAT'S THE BETTER PLAN?

A good General Manager looks to solve the problem longer term, so a multi-year deal is likely the better plan. A two-year deal—and a veteran backup with plenty of experience—may be the route to take. However, I believe MacTavish would be wise to wait until the rest of this season rolls out, and for the Oilers to play Ben Scrivens in 15 (or so) games after the Olympics. His price may go up, but the Oilers have to be sure on this one.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I believe Craig MacTavish was on his way to signing a Jonas Hiller in the offseason before Scrivens happened. The Oilers may still sign a veteran starter, but the opportunity to solve a massive problem with a player in his prime is very attractive. The asset cost was low, the dollar investment (money and term) should still be reasonable.

Edmonton and Scrivens may be a very good match. The carrot is the money married to the opportunity. Ben Scrivens will probably be as interested in a multi-year deal and the #1 job in the spring as he is now, and the Oilers will get a longer look before committing to another masked man before they are completely convinced he can succeed as a starting goalie.

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#1 DSF
February 07 2014, 09:49PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Oh Good Christ. MacTavish just traded for a guy who he wanted to look at, and so far the young man has delivered. I don't think there's any harm in signing him now, but would suggest seeing more of him. Trading him now is nuts, unless he absolutely has no interest in being an NHL starting goalie in Edmonton.

I trust he's got the gumption to dream big.

If he has the gumption to dream big he will likely look elsewhere,

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#2 DSF
February 07 2014, 09:31PM
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Hi Jay (Fee).

This is Brian (Burke).

I don't have any established goaltenders on my roster for next season so, if you have any clients you think I might be interested in, or if you have any goaltending clients who would like an offer on July 1st, please let me know.

(Fee) Hahahahahaha

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#3 DSF
February 07 2014, 10:10PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Scrivens signs here for two or three years, he's going to notch a few W's against that failing Vancouver team of yours.

Teams likely in the market for goaltending next season:

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Detroit

Philadelphia

St. Louis

New Jersey

Buffalo

CALGARY

NYI

Florida

I would wager that picking up a couple of wins against Vancouver won't factor into Scrivens decision at all.

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#4 DSF
February 07 2014, 09:36PM
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vetinari wrote:

Still think that sooner may be better than later... I think the worry is that the season will end, both goalies will walk and there are only a couple of worthwhile starting goalies who may hit the UFA market and we are unlikely to be their first destination choice. Go with the devil you know.

Also, with the March trade deadline, if Scrivens won't sign an extension, you can likely flip him again and recoup a first or second rounder or a decent prospect or a depth role player for his services as a playoff rental.

I think you're right and both goalies will walk.

The Oilers need to flip both of them.

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#5 Hall the time
February 08 2014, 08:29AM
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I can't stand this team!, they win games i don't want them to win or care for and lose the games i really want them to win, witch is most. I cant seem to put any kind of emotional investment into this team at all because it always ends in disappointment.

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#6 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 10:11PM
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With the Blues going after Ryan Miller. It could free up a guy like Chris Stewart. His stock in St. Louis appears to have fallen this yr. With Miller signed long term it could force the Blues to unload some salary/Stewart. Could be another Perron type opportunity this coming summer for a team. Offer up both Lander and Musil.

Scrivens and Hemsky to the Penguins at the deadline for a first rounder and a prospect.

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#7 a lg dubl dubl
February 08 2014, 08:46AM
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Id like to see Scrivens signed to a 2 yr deal in the 2mil ball park imo, see what the guys really like after a full year on this team. I think he'd sign just so he can prove himself at home.

Bryz, let him walk,or trade him go after a more reliable goalie that can play upwards of 50 games like Cam Ward. I know MacT probably cant fleece the canes for him but with Khudobin playing the way he has been Ward could be had on the some what cheap so the Canes can save some cap space, and Ward is only signed for 2 more years after this season. Plus having 2 Alberta boys in net that want to be the #1 might make for great goaltending.

Cam Ward for NShultz and Bryz at the deadline

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#8 David S
February 07 2014, 11:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Hi Jay (Fee).

This is Brian (Burke).

I don't have any established goaltenders on my roster for next season so, if you have any clients you think I might be interested in, or if you have any goaltending clients who would like an offer on July 1st, please let me know.

(Fee) Hahahahahaha

Ah what the heck. I know this won't be a popular opinion but welcome back man!

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#9 **
February 07 2014, 11:30PM
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ugggh wrote:

it was so nice while that DSF troll was gone, im done again

r u kidding? not even 2 hours back and he made lowetide get his panties in a bunch:

NOW, THAT'S WHAT I CALL ENTERTAINMENT!!

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#10 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 09:21AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Why keep him after the deadline if he has no intention of signing here?

That is poor asset management.

It is not like they are in a playoff battle.Losing one, two or three more games at this point is not a bad thing. This season is a write off.Unfortunately once again we are forced to look forward towards another lotto pick.If that pick is a couple spots better because they lost three meaningless games at the end of another disappointing season ,great a better pick.

MacT traded for him not knowing whether he could sign him. I think its safe to assume that he planned on seeing him play well past the deadline before deciding to try and sign him.

For the record I opposed the trade in the first place - I thought it bad asset management to give up a pick for twenty games in a write off season. Still do.

That Said, not signing him yet is wise - there is far too little evidence to support making a deal the size Scrivens and his agent are going to demand in lieu of forfeiting a chance at free agency with - presumably - a solid record for the balance of this season in his CV.

Again I urge readers to look up roman turek. That was a disaster for the flames and it was a result of panic on managements part.

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#11 Comrade GT
February 07 2014, 09:34PM
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What if he has a kid and he tanks like Dubby and Kiprusoff? Just saying, there's a trend happening here.

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#12 ugggh
February 07 2014, 11:06PM
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it was so nice while that DSF troll was gone, im done again

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#13 @Oilanderp
February 07 2014, 10:33PM
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DSF wrote:

If he has the gumption to dream big he will likely look elsewhere,

It was so nice when you were gone. Unfortunately it was not as easy to enjoy as the Oilers were dive-bombing headfirst into the toilet. Now they actually seem to be trying to play team defence and are getting some great goaltending. They've strung some points together and... you're back you grumpy rain cloud.

Am I not permitted to enjoy anything in this gord-forsaken world?

*shakes fist at the sky*

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#14 God
February 08 2014, 09:11AM
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I heard there was a PR firm hired to patrol Oilers websites and trash negative comments while leaving silly positivity about a team obviously stuck in the ditch of mediocrity (at best).

After seeing some of the numbers on here, I wonder if it isn't just a sly rumour for our man-drama.

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#17 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 09:26AM
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Spydyr wrote:

It is the NHL if you don't try in win every game you end up like the Oilers.

All kidding aside every game should be played to win.At this point if your goalie sucks and you lose a few oh well better lotto pick.

They needed Scrivens at the start of the year when the game mattered.They might not have been out by Halloween then.

To his credit Mac-T tried. Obviously in hindsight not hard enough.

How hard did MacT try to get at least a solid backup for dubnyk?

We will likely never know, but I think that MacT overvalued dubnyk. The same way he overvalued gagner and grebs and belov and ...

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#18 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 09:49PM
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Not a lot of miles on this goaltender. He could be another late bloomer/Dwayne Roloson. Both Bryzgalov and Scrivens ended up here hoping to use this opportunity to find work elsewhere. Ben has seized this opportunity and will surely land on his feet again this summer.

As in courting any other UFA pending player, a 10 million over 4 yrs may appear to be the overpay that could get him to hang around a few more yrs. If he doesn't sign that during the Olympic break, trade him at the deadline to the highest bidder. He's played over his head behind this swiss cheese group of blueliners here. I'm sure his last couple weeks haven't gone unnoticed. If they don't force this issue now, after March 5th he'll hold all the cards.

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#19 Woogie63
February 07 2014, 11:32PM
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Yikes this seems like we keep gambling, hoping the stars align and then our goalie situation will be solved ... Dubynk all over again.

Toronto took a long look at him and chose.....Remier

LA took a long look at him and chose....Jones

I don't think either of these goalies would be my pick as our 2-3 year solution in goal.

I would offer him 1a/b money and term of $1.8M 2 years plus a team option. If he does not like it move on.

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#20 Cameron
February 08 2014, 08:05AM
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Hey DSF

I don't often agree but always read your posts. Don't be a stranger.

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#21 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 08:56AM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you are saying hold on to him past the trading deadline then if he does not sign here he walks for nothing.

You have to take chances and make hard decisions in a rebuild.The "braintrust" has done neither up to this point.

IMO letting an asset walk for nothing is wrong either sign him before the deadline or trade him at the deadline.One or the other.

I'm saying trade him if a desparate team comes along.

Failing that wait until the end of the season. Scrivens could refuse to sign now if he's planning on going elsewhere or wanting to at least keep his options open (that's what I would do if I were him).

I find it hard to believe that MacT planned on signing or trading him before the deadline when he traded for him. Why would he change and now - because of five games? Surely he's not that easily panicked.

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#22 vetinari
February 07 2014, 09:35PM
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Still think that sooner may be better than later... I think the worry is that the season will end, both goalies will walk and there are only a couple of worthwhile starting goalies who may hit the UFA market and we are unlikely to be their first destination choice. Go with the devil you know.

Also, with the March trade deadline, if Scrivens won't sign an extension, you can likely flip him again and recoup a first or second rounder or a decent prospect or a depth role player for his services as a playoff rental.

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#23 Oilcruzer
February 07 2014, 10:40PM
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Welcome back DSF. BTW, do you know Cam Cole?

The way I see it, Scrivens is fighting to show he's option 1 over Bryz. He's also toiled for years as the second or third option.

Here, and certainly more than anywhere else, his style fits with the Oilers style. It goes that way for goalies. Sometimes it's just a good fit.

He would be crazy to risk trying to be the guy for another team. The fans in Edmonton will cut him slack, as they have adopted him. If he goes on a Tier 1 team, there's too much pressure. Conversely, if he goes to a crap team to be their saviour, and especially one that has a down arrow *cough* Calgary *cough*, he's under a different pressure in a bad situation.

He's been the number two guy on LA. That's not what he wants.

Signing is a good deal for both sides.

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#24 gus1000
February 07 2014, 11:18PM
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DSF wrote:

Teams likely in the market for goaltending next season:

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Detroit

Philadelphia

St. Louis

New Jersey

Buffalo

CALGARY

NYI

Florida

I would wager that picking up a couple of wins against Vancouver won't factor into Scrivens decision at all.

Chicago - Why? Raanta and Crawford seem like a competent duo. Emery is still kicking around.

Pittsburgh - Backup, possibly fight for 25 games. Unless Fleury is traded, he is number 2

Detroit - Must have missed the guy going to the Olympics as the starter. A backup spot is there, but you must have missed Mrzac as an up and comer. Likely the backup there.

Philadelphia - Mason just signed a massive extension, starter at least until November, second worst place for a goalie to get killed behind E-town. Back up position open.

St. Louis - They have two starters right now, one is likely gone, but that only leaves a back up spot.

New Jersey - Brodeur retires, and they got this other guy, looked pretty good tonight against us... So there is a back up spot here.

Buffalo - Miller leaves, they have Enroth. Poor season, but worst team, so he is the defacto starter, but there is a competition here.

CALGARY - Exact same situation as here. Rebuilding team. Only difference is they have guys named Stepniak and Stajan to build around. We have guys like Hall and RNH. Going forward they are a year behind us after Burke guts the team at the deadline and the draft to bring in young truculence.

NYI - My guess is they back the truck up to land Miller, or Hiller. Maybe even trade for Ward. At this second there is a starting position free for next season, but Snow is bat sh&t crazy. He will make a deal.

Florida - Thomas has already stated he likes where the club is going, is thinking about sticking around. Markstrom is the guy anyone who comes in has to battle for the starter spot if Timmy T leaves. It is a possibility.

Edmonton - You forgot a town with the real only starters spot open besides cowtown. Winter sucks, but hey Spruce Grove has the same winters, he understands. He is working on that starters role now. He has a long history with Eakins, who looks like we are stuck with for awhile yet, and we have a top six that has major potential, some already that have arrived see Hall, over a ppg, RNH, every game starts looking more and more like a Toews type player, and Perron, cheaply signed, likes it here and can score. I am worried Eberle or Yak get dangled for defense, but if not, they are pretty goo too ;)

So I think we have a scenario where we are willing to spend to the cap to build a team, we have opportunity, as in he gets handed the role, and we have nowhere to go but up. I say that tongue in cheek as we all know the situation here.

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#25 Woogie63
February 08 2014, 06:28AM
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** wrote:

This is what Scrivens has going for him: He posted an NHL record. Ask Gagner if that doesn't factor in salary negotiations.

He is currently leading the league in sv% and is top 5 in GA average.

He is at the end of a 2 year contract that paid him very little. Given his performance he is due for a raise, not because I think so but based of seeing how goalies get raises in this league.

As for your negatives (this is just me speculating): The leafs offered Reimer his first big contract after 3 years of playing pro. At that point Scrivens had only one pro season. (HE played at Cornell university 4 years, was undrafted). It seems logical the more veteran guy got more money first.

That same year Gustaffson and Reimer (2011-2012) were battling for the starting job in Toronto, Scrivens was the third string.

The next year (2012-2013) Gustafson was let go as FA and it became Reimer and Scrivens. (possibly because they thougt Reimer was ready to be a starter and saw Scrivens as a competent cheap back up, so they saved money).

Gustaffson has been a great back up for the Red wings, playing more because of injuries to Howard.

After the shortened season, both goalies had decent numbers, with Reimer having the bigger contract and the majority of the games played. I don't think it had anything to do with Scrivens, I think the leafs decided to test Reimer as the starter and ran with it. Obviously he didn't impress enough.

That brings us to the trade of Bernier for Scrivens. Bernier was a RFA, he wanted more playing time, which he was not going to get on LA, and he wanted more money, which LA couldn't afford because they gave Quick that massive 7 million contract. So LA needed a cheaper capable not rookie backup and Toronto bought into Bernier's hype. Toronto even now retains some of Scrivens' salary.

LA was never going to take Reimer at his price tag, and I guess Toronto wanted Bernier pretty bad, which says more about the leafs management than it does about Scrivens' abilities.

LA figured they could offer Scrivens what they were paying Bernier as backup. But then Martin Jones came in and dazzled. LA figured they get at least one more season with a really cheap backup and delay payment for an extra year.

LA is set for a starting goaltender for years to come, so even if Scrivens is good enough to be a starter, there was simply no room, nor money for him with the kings. Again, the situation says more about the organization than it does about Scrivens.

That's how Scrivens ends up in Edmonton, because of a chain of money saving moves orchestrated by LA. In all this, Scrivens is finishing off his first real NHL contract (according to cap geek).

So now the guy is ready for a starting job, or at least a tandem job, and a salary raise. he backs it up with an NHL record of 57 games, .922 sv% and 2.47 GAA. Pretty solid numbers for an NHL starting goaltender.

So in conclusion I disagree with you that he was passed up twice. Many in Toronto feel the leafs let go of the wrong goalie, and his departure from LA was entirely motivated by finances.

The leafs gave Bernier a 2 year contract at 2.4 and 3.4 mill with these NHL totals: 62 games, .912 sv% and 2.35 GAA.

He didn't set an NHL record, and he didn't lead the league at any point. At around the same number of games, Scrivens is the superior goalie by all counts. One more thing, Bernier at 62 games had faced 1553 shots, while Scrivens in 57 has faced 1596. not a big difference, but still a difference. Also, Bernier always played behind the defensive power house LA, while Scrivens has had the fun of doing so against two teams that leak scoring chances like a waterfall.

I'd say Scrivens is going to go for at least 2.5 million a year unless he implodes from now until season's end. Given his numbers, I don't see that happening. About Bryzeee, I'm a fan. If he accepts the role of backup/1b and get paid accordingly, he is solid, he has a career .913 sv% and 2.57 GA, plus he is durable and still young enough not to be worried about a sudden decline in performance. Plus, he might be enjoying not being the lightning rod nor the star of the freak show for once.

I apologize for the long post, didn't realize it until I was done.

I don't see many examples of two organization that our choosing between a second and third string, young, cheap goalie and both of them get it wrong.

My belief is it goaltending in the NHL is the most competitive job in the league (like a QB in the NFL). Teams play the guy who give them the best chance to win.

The fact is TML and LAK both took a long look at Scriven, and both chose someone else that would give him a better chance win.

With 57-75 NHL games under his belt, I don't think he has the leverage suggested in other posts. I don't see a top 15 team in the NHL that would want to start the year with Scrivens as your clear numbef 1. I think he is headed for at best a 1 a/b situation.

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#26 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 08:23AM
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As has been noted above Scrivens has been passed over by two other teams; he was undrafted; he has played precious few games.

I will reiterate: Roman Turek.

The risk of screwing up and paying too much is far greater than missing a diamond in the rough.

Let him play out the season and then - if he remains solid - offer him a contract. Let's see how he does against top flite opposition in the last ten games of the year.

That said I agree with rob brown: if a team comes looking to trade for him before the deadline to fill a need - trade him.

....

Good to see DSF re-engaging in the fray. I wondered why he had gone on sabbatical. I loled at his saying he'd been away on Elba. I would laugh even harder were that actually true.

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#27 sizedoesmatter
February 08 2014, 05:42AM
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Welcome back DSF your always(mostly)wrong but hour not boring.

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#28 Mike Modano's Dog
February 08 2014, 06:36AM
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I love readng everybody's comments here.

I really like Scrivens. I have long felt the Oilers need a goaltender that plays the way Scrivens does.

'Water off his back' and 'ice in his veins' - a steady demeanour. Case in point: his play that very first game told me a lot about him. He played every bit as hard and didn't hang his head after he got lit up and the game got out of hand. There was no quit in this guy.

Also no blaming the other guys on the team...which is important here because the Oilers always have given up an inordinate amount of shots. And personally, I never want to see another goalie throw his stick in the air after a goal, and stare our defence men down after the fact. That already makes him a better fit for us than others who have played here..but this isn't about putting others down who have done their best; just showing how rare his qualities are - no matter how many games you've played in this league.

Another plus; this guy doesn't believe in lucky streaks or rituals to follow. Case in point, his NHL record. He never needed to keep things the same, or change others; you wouldn't have known whether he just played a terrible game or had a record setting performance for us. There is only one other goalie who played here with that kind of coolness - that rattled other teams' confidence (when it mattered most.). I'm not saying he belongs in the same league or has proven anything at this point, but he reminds me so much of Fuhr, watching him play. I think, given his age and the Oilers point in their rebuild, the style of team (defence) playing in front of him - I think he is the perfect fit. We're not a 'trap team' and never will be. That's just not Edmonton's game.

The Oilers also have to have someone interested in actually staying with the team and building that team long-term HERE, in Edmonton. We haven't had that forever now, when combined with those other qualities. I will say that I have no idea if he has any interest in staying here, or in staying here - long-term. I am only stating that has ruined what could have been in the past - to play for another team instead the first opportunity they had. We need somebody who would be interested in being the Oilers goalie 'long-term', if the Oiler fans can keep from being too big of a$$holes.* *'see 1982, Oilers.'

Only one player I can remember sucessfully made it through that intact. The guy who called it like it was, never let it change who he was - and chose to stay with us... That kind of thick skin is going to be necessary here, because of our passion for the team and the fact that the last line of defence is always going to be obvious, and stand out! Edmonton fans will show more adoration and heap praise and love on our goalie like few others when he is playing well, and we are intelligent enough to cut him some slack even when it isn't. But, if that play dips substantially, for some time due to how much we care we aren't exactly the easiest fans to to play in front of - so our goalie of the future will have to be mentally very strong, and strong-willed!!

I have always maintained that the Oilers need to find another goalie 'like' Grant Fuhr was when he was here. Don't hammer me for saying so, as I don't mean "really good," or 'they just need to find the 'best' goaltender!" No - I mean the Oilers, as long as they play offensive hockey and give up the so many of those five star chances we always have in doing so...NEED a goalie with that exact temperament to be successful.

Is it a coincidence that Scrivens grew up in the same area as Fuhr did, and has adopted so many of his underappreciated traits? Perhaps not... maybe he looked up to him, maybe he even went to him for advice. Heck , maybe he even got those tips from Glenn Hall himself, and Grant did the same once upon a time - I don't know! The only thing I do know is I love his approach to the game from what I've seen so far. He has never let what happened so far in the game change his approach. His one and only concern - not giving up the next one...and he'll never give up on a goal! Because you never know which goal could actually sink you - even in an apparent loss, that is so important to have; even moreso with the offensive power TO COME BACK in any game as the Oilers now have - once again.

To me he isn't only the best fit now but to me in my humble opinion, the best one we've had since the days when #31 wasn't in the rafters, but on the ice.

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#29 a lg dubl dubl
February 08 2014, 08:48AM
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Hall the time wrote:

I can't stand this team!, they win games i don't want them to win or care for and lose the games i really want them to win, witch is most. I cant seem to put any kind of emotional investment into this team at all because it always ends in disappointment.

see ya back on the band wagon in a year or 2 then ;)

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#30 tileguy
February 08 2014, 09:43AM
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L.T. wrote

If they extended a two or three-year offer with dollars between $2M and $3M a season, I can't imagine the young man turning it down.

LoL, a UFA with one of the best save% signing for 2Mil. All those that beleive this will happen say yea.

crickets

We definitely have to archive this article and see what he actually signs for. I'm doubtful 3yrs at $3mil will get it done.

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#31 Walter Sobchak
February 08 2014, 10:35AM
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@DSF

Welcome back.

It wasn’t the same without you.

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#32 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 03:20PM
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David S wrote:

If by "over valued" Dubnyk and Gagner you mean "signed them to league-average deals based on uptrending performances which ranked them well within the salary ranges offered", well then by all means you're correct.

We all know what happened to Gagner and Dubnyk, both situations which could NOT have been foretold when they were signed. In Gagner's case only a fool would think this year's play is any indication of his true value. In fact I'd bet a crisp plastic hundie if he's here after the break he'll be markedly better.

MacT took a flyer on Grebs as vet insurance on a Charmin soft D. When he didn't work out, he shipped him to OKC. Belov is still adjusting to the North American game but shows promise (and buddy has a cannon for a shot). Don't you think it's better a GM takes chances than do the Tambellini "I'll just sit on my hands and see how things work out" schtick.

AND I'm still waiting to hear how this ends up with some version of "Fire Lowe", because that's where things always end up, right?

I and others have long said that duby and gagner and Greba were over-valued and signed by oilers management for contracts that no one else would have done.

We have been prove right thusfar and you (and oilers management) have been wrong.

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#33 gus1000
February 07 2014, 09:31PM
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There are a couple of big ifs there. Does he want to stay? I sure hope so, and if the team chemistry works, we don't truly know what goes on in the room, then sign him to a two or three year deal. He is consistent, whichever team, be it Toronto, LA or here, his numbers are relatively steady.

Before anyone says he hasn't played enough, well I give you exhibit A, J. Bernier, in Toronto. He had a small resume, and is doing what needs to be done. He had pedigree sure, but not many proven starts.

I think the professor should be signed, if it works in the room and he wants to stay.

I also think we should sign Bryz too. Now hear me out. His numbers aren't atrocious, another good night tonight, with our mediocre defense. I think this is a solid tandem, both guys could play 40 games, or close to it. If an injury pops up, the other guy is good. Think Vernon Osgood. It truly could be a good deal, if we get some defense.

Again, not sure how his circus act is in the room, but if it is working, keep running. I like Hiller, but he has had vertigo issues, a groin the pops now and again, and he is easily $5 mil a season, especially here. I'd rather two $3 mil guys than one $5 mil guy and Bachmann or whomever backing him up, and have the injury bus hit.

Save money, work on the defense. Sign what we have and keep building.

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#34 Curcro
February 07 2014, 09:33PM
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Quite a number of teams have a back-up goalie at/or near $2M. Scrivens definitely seems to be at the very least capable of being an NHL back-up goalie. With the Salary Cap going up significantly this year as well as next (when the TV Deal kicks in). I think you could take a bit of a gamble on Scrivens if you can get him in the $2M range over 3 years. If he doesn't pan out as a starter he would still be in the salary price point of a back up goalie.

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#35 gus1000
February 07 2014, 10:03PM
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** wrote:

The whole team has been a big if for 8 years now, and management keeps banking on those ifs. I had a change of mind so I edited this post, I now agree with you that Scrivens needs to be re signed ASAP, and BRyz too for that matter. I just made a long post further down explaining my reasoning. In the end though, if the d corps is not improved before next season opener, it will matter little who's on net. Just ask Ryan Miller.

Ryan Miller is an excellent example of why we need to fix the defense in front of the net first. He is an Olympian, great goaltender, on the worst team in the league. He isn't getting much help, and neither are our guys.

Keep what we have, and build with some veteran guys on the back end.

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#36 D
February 07 2014, 10:26PM
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This Scrivens goaltending situation will make for a great Game Theory study down the road.

Four quadrants - (1) Oilers pay a lot for Scrivens and get great goaltending, (2) Oilers pay a lot for Scrivens and get poor goaltending, Oilers watch him walk and Scrivens (3) provides great goaltending elsewhere, or (4) provides poor goaltending elsewhere.

How do you price a contract when a scenario like this presents itself?

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#37 RexLibris
February 07 2014, 10:57PM
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DSF wrote:

Teams likely in the market for goaltending next season:

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Detroit

Philadelphia

St. Louis

New Jersey

Buffalo

CALGARY

NYI

Florida

I would wager that picking up a couple of wins against Vancouver won't factor into Scrivens decision at all.

You've left Edmonton off your list, and presumably have Calgary in bold as a point of emphasis.

On your topic of Scrivens going to Calgary, something reminiscent of the Glencross issue, why not look at Burke's long history of chasing goaltending through trade and free-agency. He doesn't always do very well (Potvin, Auld, Weekes, Cloutier, Gustavsson).

This isn't to say that he wouldn't be interested in signing Scrivens, but please provide a reason why would Scrivens choose Calgary over Edmonton - without using Brian Burke as some sort of managerial deus ex machina who can simply will players to his side.

Let's look at it from a less subjective point of view:

If team A has traded to acquire backup goaltender X after his having been moved twice in less than a calendar year because neither of his previous employers felt he was capable of a starting job, what leads you to believe that after having been given a chance to prove that he is capable of being a starting goaltender, X would then decide to eschew team A's contract offer and pursue free-agency amongst a market that has otherwise been less than welcoming to this point in his career?

I don't remember you being this cynical about a player's interests or a manager's abilities so quickly.

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#38 Quintana
February 07 2014, 10:57PM
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DSF wrote:

Teams likely in the market for goaltending next season:

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Detroit

Philadelphia

St. Louis

New Jersey

Buffalo

CALGARY

NYI

Florida

I would wager that picking up a couple of wins against Vancouver won't factor into Scrivens decision at all.

Out of those teams only Buffalo and NYI will be looking for starters . Scrievens wants to be a numero uno!! Are you Stupid? Oh...Welcome back DSF!!!!!

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#39 Chainsawz
February 07 2014, 11:32PM
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Haha, can Josh please reply to DSF's list of teams that are apparently looking for goaltending? The universe has been waiting for this moment in history.

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#40 pelhem grenville
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Q...I'm more happy to see you on here than ever before and I'm happy to see you tapping out your good old takes on all things in the Ballet...moreover I'm here to say if there ever was a place that needs a troll it's here and how could anyone deny the fact that if a board needs a troll why not have THE Hall of Fame Troll in our midst...

LT...if Scrivens stays he will need/want some heavy money to do so...I have a feeling that MacT will do his best to not overpay but if the 2 goalies walk and leave it was always going to be that way anyway...no goalie will want to stay here or entertain the idea of coming here until MacT delivers Defence(.)

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#41 Spydyr
February 08 2014, 09:08AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I'm saying trade him if a desparate team comes along.

Failing that wait until the end of the season. Scrivens could refuse to sign now if he's planning on going elsewhere or wanting to at least keep his options open (that's what I would do if I were him).

I find it hard to believe that MacT planned on signing or trading him before the deadline when he traded for him. Why would he change and now - because of five games? Surely he's not that easily panicked.

Why keep him after the deadline if he has no intention of signing here?

That is poor asset management.

It is not like they are in a playoff battle.Losing one, two or three more games at this point is not a bad thing. This season is a write off.Unfortunately once again we are forced to look forward towards another lotto pick.If that pick is a couple spots better because they lost three meaningless games at the end of another disappointing season ,great a better pick.

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#42 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 09:49AM
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michael wrote:

Does Tbay go into the playoffs with Lindback as their backup?

The Rangers are one Lundquist injury away from disaster.

Washington? Even with no team defense they have Neuvirth as a backup. How badly do they want veteran backup going into the stretch run.

IB is a viable option for many of these teams. He has played really well.Been sane.A good teammate.Solid.It adds up to IB being traded at the deadline.

Scrivens has been all that and a bag of chips.To the haters. Bite me. Scrivens has earned the respect of his teammates. Most off all he has earned their confidence.

When DD was in net you could not say that. It was obvious at times how they felt.

Scrivens has stepped and grapped the bull by the horns and is screaming at the top of his lungs that he wants the number 1 job.

Hometown boy who was given an opportunity to play on ice that he dreamed about as a kid. Could you write a better story.

Sign him at 2x2.4 and be happy that your team has a guy that they have faith in.

remember the Labarbera Hissy fit earlier this year. Nuff said.

I for one do not hate Scrivens. It is that five games is far too small a sample size. There is BOLD. And there is panic and recklessness.

And if he refused your measly offer of 2x2.4, would you turn your back on him? Were I him I wouldn't sign for that.

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#43 Woogie63
February 08 2014, 10:27AM
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Lots of talk on asset management. We spent a 3rd round draft pick ( i don't think we have ever had a 3rd rounder make a significant contribution ) so we really gave up nothing.

After 5 games is he worth much more than a 3rd round pick.

I know it is a Scrivens thread, but the much more interesting asset management is the other goalie.

Boston, SJ, PItt, and Chicago all have legit chances to WIN the cup. Each team has an established started, but might benefit from a UFA with lots of NHL experience as an upgrade. Each team has lots of non roster players that would be interesting to the Oilers

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#44 Serious Gord
February 08 2014, 01:31PM
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** wrote:

Roman Turek played solid goaltending for the first team that gave him the starting job: the St Louis Blues. They finished first in the league on his first season and 6th on his second. Then with the flames he was over .900 and under 2.6 GAA, so it's not like he imploded, the flames were a bad defensive team finishing well out of the playoffs on his first 2 years there. He also posted over .500 in games won in all seasons but his last where he played only 18 games. Even if Scriven were to turn Turek's numbers, it would stil be better than what the Oilers have had in the past few years. Dubnyk may have had better sv%, but he has never posted even a .500 in his career.

I think your memory is faulty. Turek was lights out in the twenty games before button signed him. Then he sucked after it - letting in untimely soft goals in tight situations (sound like someone else we know?).

It eventually cost button his job - he told me so himself.

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#45 **
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gus1000 wrote:

There are a couple of big ifs there. Does he want to stay? I sure hope so, and if the team chemistry works, we don't truly know what goes on in the room, then sign him to a two or three year deal. He is consistent, whichever team, be it Toronto, LA or here, his numbers are relatively steady.

Before anyone says he hasn't played enough, well I give you exhibit A, J. Bernier, in Toronto. He had a small resume, and is doing what needs to be done. He had pedigree sure, but not many proven starts.

I think the professor should be signed, if it works in the room and he wants to stay.

I also think we should sign Bryz too. Now hear me out. His numbers aren't atrocious, another good night tonight, with our mediocre defense. I think this is a solid tandem, both guys could play 40 games, or close to it. If an injury pops up, the other guy is good. Think Vernon Osgood. It truly could be a good deal, if we get some defense.

Again, not sure how his circus act is in the room, but if it is working, keep running. I like Hiller, but he has had vertigo issues, a groin the pops now and again, and he is easily $5 mil a season, especially here. I'd rather two $3 mil guys than one $5 mil guy and Bachmann or whomever backing him up, and have the injury bus hit.

Save money, work on the defense. Sign what we have and keep building.

The whole team has been a big if for 8 years now, and management keeps banking on those ifs. I had a change of mind so I edited this post, I now agree with you that Scrivens needs to be re signed ASAP, and BRyz too for that matter. I just made a long post further down explaining my reasoning. In the end though, if the d corps is not improved before next season opener, it will matter little who's on net. Just ask Ryan Miller.

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#46 emonkee
February 07 2014, 10:02PM
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@Lowetide

Canucks in 9th spot, Phoenix has 2 games in hand @ 8th. You have Dallas 1 pt back of Van with 2 games in hand, Jets 2 pts behind and Nashville 3 pts back with 1 game in hand. Vancouver = free falling....

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#47 srelio
February 07 2014, 10:50PM
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Scivens will want to establish himself as a starting goaltender, no one wants to sit on the bench 70 games a season. Edmonton is the first and best chance hes had at that and if he keeps playing like he is he'll get payed. Plus we've been doing a lot less losing since he got here so he shouldn't be too eager to leave town just because of our record. Sure we get out shot badly almost every game but unlike the players the only chance Scrivens gets to touch the puck is when the play is in our end. Nothing feels better as a goalie than getting way out shot and still managing to pull out the win. Hopefully he signs for a couple years at a couple mill and turns out to be as good as hes been playing.

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#48 book¡e
February 07 2014, 10:52PM
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A lot depends on the insights that the coach and GM have on the player and his fit. If everything seems good and your instincts tell you that he could be a good one, then there is no harm in signing him for 3 years, even if the cost is $3 million per.

Worst case scenerio is a low cost buyout or an expensive back up. I think the risk is worth it for a team having trouble attracting free agents.

If this guy turns out to be golden, then you are well on your way to contending. If not, no harm done.

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#49 Sevenseven
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Bryz is playing good.

Scrivens is playing good.

No one in the nhl is banging at our door to play here.

Maybe this is a viable tandem. And you honestly have to give mac t some credit. Bryz/scrivens is so far ahead of dubnyk/labarbera. All he gave up was a third round pic, and got an asset back in hendricks! So hell sign them cheap. Save money and other tradable assets for a other holes in the team (Defense, big top six center) Bryz and scrivens would be an excellent tandem on a team with a decent defense.

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#50 The Beaker
February 07 2014, 11:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Teams likely in the market for goaltending next season:

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Detroit

Philadelphia

St. Louis

New Jersey

Buffalo

CALGARY

NYI

Florida

I would wager that picking up a couple of wins against Vancouver won't factor into Scrivens decision at all.

yes... all of those teams have spots open for #1 goalies. Not like any of them have signed goalies to longer term deals.

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