GDB 60.0: TO BACK OR NOT TO BACK

Jason Gregor
February 07 2014 01:15PM

Ilya Bryzgalov will start tonight in New Jersey. The stats suggest it makes sense to start him instead of going back-to-back with Ben Scrivens, but considering the Oilers are winning by getting out shot, I wonder if combining that along with going back to Scrivens would guarantee a win.

We'll never know, but it is good to look at the possibilities.

I looked at the top-ten goalie leaders in wins to see how many times they played back-to-back and how they fared:

Goalie...           result           SV%                    saves
Fleury                 L                 .902             stopped 18 of 21
Niemi                 W               .903              stopped 28 of 31
Varlamov           W               .926              stopped 25 of 27
Bishop               W               .941             stopped 48 of 51 (played night before allowed 5 goals)
Bishop               W               .933             stopped 28 of 30
Rask                  L                 .750             stopped 9 of 12 and was pulled.
Rask                  W                .977             stopped 43 of 44
Rask                  W                .915             stopped 21 of 23
Price                  L                 .943             stopped 33 of 35 (had exact same stats night before)
Price                  L                 .846             stopped 22 of 26 (had identical SV% and GAA night before)
Hiller                 W                1.000           stopped 22 of 22
Hiller                 W                 .955            stopped 42 of 44
Mason              W                 .944            stopped 34 of 36
Crawford          W                .935             stopped 29 of 31
Crawford          W                .958             stopped 23 of 24 (allowed 5 goals the previous night)
Crawford          W                .826             stopped 19 of 23 (defeated the Oilers)
CrawFord        OTL             .900             stopped 27 of 30

Most coaches don't go back-to-back very often, but in these 17 instances with the top goalies their combined record was 12-4-1 with a .917 SV%.

It should be noted that Price's two back-to-back situations came on January 25th and February 2nd. He had been struggling so Michel Therrien went against the grain to try and get him out of a funk. It was odd to see Price have the exact same stats in the first and second games. In the January sets he was bad on both nights and lost both games, but on February 1st and 2nd he had .944 and .943 SV% on consecutive nights, and allowed only two goals both nights.

Jon Cooper went back to Bishop after he allowed five goals the night before. He wanted his starter to bounce back and he did with a huge 48 save performance. Joel Quenneville did the same thing with Crawford this year and he rewarded his coach with a strong effort the second night.

Eric T from NHLnumbers.com wrote a very indepth piece on the drop in SV% on the second night of back-to-backs, so I understand why Eakins is going with Bryzgalov, but the above numbers show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights. This year they have had success doing it, and I'm sure it helps when you are on a good team, but it shows that coaches do go with gut feel sometimes and won't always play the odds.

Scrivens has the highest SV%, .937, amongst goalie who has started 20+ games, and the only time he played back-to-back this year he was perfect. He stopped all 26 shots in a 2-0 Kings victory, and two days later he shutout the Rangers as well.

After beating the Rangers again last night, I wouldn't have had an issue at all if Eakins went back to Scrivens.

Sometimes you have to go against the odds, just like I predicted in yesterday's GDP and OGDP. That might have been my best prediction ever.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: This is a low scoring affair, and the Oilers continue to buck the shooting trend with a 2-1 victory. Gagner scores just to add fuel to the trade speculation. 

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Rangers outshoot the Oilers. Scrivens has faced an average of 39 shots in his five starts with the Oilers, but tonight he gets an "easier" night facing only 36. 

LINEUP....

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Fraser-Ference

Bryzgalov

The Oilers didn't skate this morning, but Jack Michaels hinted there would be one forward change. Maybe it is simply Joensuu back in for Jones or possibly something else. Likely on the 4th line, unless someone in the top-nine got banged up last night.

QUICK HITS...

  • A rare twitter mistake by Gene Principe last night when he jumped the gun tweeting out that Ryan Smyth was now top-100 in goals. Smyth scored his 384th goal last night, but Patrick Elias has scored four in the last two weeks and he sits 100th with 386. 
  • Alex Ovechkin scored his 40th goal of the seaon last night, and he is on pace to get 50 for the 5th time in his career, and when he does he will join a very select group of players who have scored 50 goals five times.

    Wayne Gretzky and Mike Bossy did it 9 times.
    Guy Lafleur, Marcel Dionne and Mario Lemieux did it 6 times.
    Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull and Pavel Bure did it 5 times.
     
  • Since 2005/2006 there has been 17 occasions where a player scored 50 goals.
    Ovechkin has done it 4 times.
    Steven Stamkos, Ilya Kovalchuk and Dany Heatley did it twice.
    Jonathan Cheechoo, Jaromir Jagr, Jarome Iginla, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Corey Perry and Evgeni Malkin did it once.
     
  • Despite playing in an era where goals are hard to come by Ovechkin has still produced, and at a rate better than everyone except Steven Stamkos. He has a realistic shot to become only the 3rd player in NHL history to have seven 50-goal seasons. I hope he gets there.
     
  • I've had many fans text the show and I've seen some people write how Nail Yakupov's one-timer is similar to Ovechkin. Yakupov shoots the puck hard, but he isn't close to the goal scorer Oveckhin is. That isn't a knock on Yakupov, because Ovie is one of the greatest goal scorers the NHL has ever seen , but stop comparing the two. They aren't close. Ovechkin is much better at finding an open spot, plus his shot is much harder. He regularly beats goalies from above the hash marks.
     
  • Here is a shot chart of Nail Yakupov (goals in red) courtesy of somekindofninja.com.  You will notice that Yakupov has one goal from outside the top of the circles. Now look at Ovechkin's shot and goal chart. He has 12 goals from outside the top of the circle. To beat today's goalies from that far out you need a heavy shot and accuracy.
     
  • That being said, I liked how Yakupov found the soft spot in the high slot last night, and buried the game winner. It was a great pass from Gagner, but one of the most important parts of being a good goal scorer is finding the open spots and Yakupov found it at the most important time of the game. He has a very good shot and he should use it more, but let's stop comparing him to Ovechkin. It is unfair to both of them.
     
  • Gagner's assist is why you can't trade him for spare parts. He has very good offensive abilities. I know he doesn't show them all the time -- consistency is what separates 50-point players from 80-point guys -- but he has great skill. If MacTavish trades him, he needs to get a decent return.

TONIGHT...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers are in the midst of their best stretch of the season, and they'll head into the break on a high after a 3-2 win over the Devils.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers will continue on their successful get-out-shot-but-win streak, but tonight they allow fewer shots than usual getting out shot 29-26.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The ageless wonder Jaromir Jagr scores a pair of goals giving him 19 on the season, but 700 in his career. He heads to the Olympics having scored 50 points. Unreal.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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#1 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
February 07 2014, 01:28PM
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I started on the beer pretty early yesterday, I don't remember much of the game... How did the first overalls look skating together?

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#2 West
February 07 2014, 01:31PM
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OGDP: Hall gets 5 points to give team Canada something to chew on.

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#3 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 01:31PM
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To EDM: Carter and Brown To LA: Gagner, Hemsky*, Arcobello, Klefbom and/or Lander

http://fans.oilers.nhl.com/community/topic/15100-la-kings-cap-crunch-trade-relief/

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#4 Chainsawz
February 07 2014, 01:33PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I started on the beer pretty early yesterday, I don't remember much of the game... How did the first overalls look skating together?

They looked like skating on ice made of beer then having the ice melt then drinking it.

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#5 Robin Brownlee
February 07 2014, 01:36PM
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Your predictions should be framed - final score and exact number of shots. No matter what Struddy and everybody else says, you're a very smart man.

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#6 oilerman53
February 07 2014, 01:38PM
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Yak needs to be able to find those spaces in which he can get his shot away better. His biggest problem is his over excitement with the puck. The coaching staff should realize he can't be relied upon to lug the puck in. Maybe on a quick dump in and to best utilize him he needs to play on a line where his center and left wing can dish him the puck on the right side even the slot. Its up to him to be able to find these areas, the Oilers when and if they do trade Gagner should be looking for a big strong center to play with Yak for next year. Horcoff wasn't good at a lot of things but in the month where Yak scored 11 goals he played almost exclusively with Horcoff who would battle for the puck.

As for tonight the Devils will probably be having a nice long look at Hemsky. With the acquisition of Hendricks and the effectiveness of the third line with him there Hemsky's time here seems to be coming to an end. Kind of sad when you think of all the abuse he took at the hands of guys like Regehr and Kronwall and always bounced back up. This year he may get his chance to play with his buddies Jagr and Elias. Devils tonight 4-3.

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#7 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 01:38PM
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Your NSOGDP(sp?) is in the wrong spot as Jaromir always scores against the oilers.

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#8 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 01:40PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

To EDM: Carter and Brown To LA: Gagner, Hemsky*, Arcobello, Klefbom and/or Lander

http://fans.oilers.nhl.com/community/topic/15100-la-kings-cap-crunch-trade-relief/

did you really just quote the oilers fan blog for your trade proposal?

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#9 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 01:43PM
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oilerjed wrote:

did you really just quote the oilers fan blog for your trade proposal?

I assume he is pushing his post, because it makes so much sense...

Although we could save Klefbom by picking up Omark on waivers and substituting him into the trade.*

*As long as we are being absolutely ridiculous...

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#10 TayLordBalls
February 07 2014, 01:44PM
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I used to walk into a room full of people and wonder if they liked me. Now I look around and wonder if I like them.

Go Oil

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#11 West
February 07 2014, 01:44PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

To EDM: Carter and Brown To LA: Gagner, Hemsky*, Arcobello, Klefbom and/or Lander

http://fans.oilers.nhl.com/community/topic/15100-la-kings-cap-crunch-trade-relief/

Trading Klefbom at this point is bordering on insane.

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#12 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 01:45PM
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West wrote:

Trading Klefbom at this point is bordering on insane.

Expecting the Kings to give up 2 players from their core is completely over the line of insane....

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#13 West
February 07 2014, 01:49PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Expecting the Kings to give up 2 players from their core is completely over the line of insane....

I agree, but I didn't notice who we were to get, just who we were going to give up.

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#14 Keg on Legs
February 07 2014, 01:50PM
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Let me be the fist to say, go back to Scrivens again

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#15 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 01:52PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Expecting the Kings to give up 2 players from their core is completely over the line of insane....

I wonder, some reporters in LA are suggesting that if the Isles land Vanek Richards or Brown my become available. Im curious who besides Gagner is sent away. maybe some D prospects?

Edit: oops meant if the kings land vanek

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#16 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 01:52PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Expecting the Kings to give up 2 players from their core is completely over the line of insane....

What's insane is that the Kings are last in the West in G/G at 2.25, and would be DEAD last in the league if it weren't for the Sabres (1.82)

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#17 oilerman53
February 07 2014, 01:52PM
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Trading Carter and Brown almost makes no sense but with Vanek recently turning down the contract offer from the Islanders this might have a bit of traction. You trade for Gagner and Hemsky and then turn around and trade for Vanek and maybe even Moulson. Suddenly you get an injection of offensive power for a cup run. There have been rumors that Brown's contract is a little too rich for the Kings and he has been mentioned in trade rumors. But at this point of the season it is borderline insane. Having Carter come over too would be awesome. I have yet to see any real speculation on any trusted rumor sources not named Hockeybuzz. It sounds crazy but the Kings aren't afraid to wheel and deal. It's way better then the Gagner for Clifford deal.

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#18 West
February 07 2014, 01:57PM
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Keg on Legs wrote:

Let me be the fist to say, go back to Scrivens again

How about Bryz gets to play tonight and Scrivens plays the rest of the season.

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#19 S cottV
February 07 2014, 02:01PM
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Good to see a different look on the first two lines.

Yak has a reasonable chance at having success with RNH and Hall.

While Gagner got an assist on Yak's goal, it was Hall's bull work that made it possible - not to take anything away from Gagner on that particular play.

Understandable that Yak looked a little disjointed at times, trying to get used to new linemates and visa versa. Will be interesting to see if it gets better tonight.

I think Yak did better with RNH and Hall vs what Gagner looked like with Eberle and Perron. Nice play by Gagner on the Yak goal, but he was the weakest link on the Ranger goal. Gagner should not have skated ahead of an uncertain puck possession at the half boards. He vacated the middle of the ice and otherwise would have been a safety valve on the turnover. Just doesn't get it - in his own end...

As for Scrivens vs Bryz, it all probably has more to do with trying to position everything in the best light possible for the Oilers - in terms of what ends up happening with both goaltenders.

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#20 RexHolez
February 07 2014, 02:06PM
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@JasonGregor

This is very similar to the GDB 55.0: BACK-TO-BACK ON EVEN GROUND article you threw together.

We get it, you are not a fan of Bryzgalov. However, Bryzgalov won his last game with a 42 save performance only allowing 2 goals. Last time you also assumed he would go with Scrivens both nights in a back to back because your stats say Scrivens is better overall. Correct, but a smart man doesn't always rely on stats. Bryzgalov got the start on the second night of that back to back and beat the Canucks with a 25 save performance there. Maybe its time your assumptions start going against the odds?

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#21 THRNHJE
February 07 2014, 02:06PM
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GDP: Bryz shows again that he is incosistent, and our offense shows another flash of what it can do. Oil win 6-4

OGDP: Jaromir is an uncontrollable beast, as per his usual outings vs. the Oilers.

NSOGDP: Gagner scores a hat trick, and people on oilers blogs everywhere find a defensive mistake he made and shout 'but do you see how he is a defensive liability? He was only 48% on the dot!'

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#22 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 02:15PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

What's insane is that the Kings are last in the West in G/G at 2.25, and would be DEAD last in the league if it weren't for the Sabres (1.82)

Doesn't matter, Carter is their 2nd leading scorer and Brown while having an off year is a proven 50+ pt player.

It's ridiculous, not to mention it doesn't actually provide them offense.

Your offering a team looking to contend 13 goals 35 assist, 48 pts and at a combined -31 along with prospects, for 26 goals 31 assist, 57 pts at a combined +7.

So you are making their current team worse and they get some prospects?

Carter's proven offensive upside is miles greater than any of those players...

Arcobello has no trade value, notwithstanding the fact giving up him AND Lander would leave us with 0 centres for depth...

How would this make any sense...

Shall I go on? Or should I just drink the coolaid and mindlessly click the props button?

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#23 pkam
February 07 2014, 02:22PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I started on the beer pretty early yesterday, I don't remember much of the game... How did the first overalls look skating together?

If scoring goal is the measuring stick, they had accomplished nothing last night.

I believe Eakins put Gagner with Hall and Yak for one shift near the end of the game and the trio scored the GWG.

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#24 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 02:26PM
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@Clyde Frog

I don't know where you are getting your numbers. It is 66 points to 52 for Carter & Brown. Carter has no more upside. He's a proven 2C, but LA has Richards already.

You can't realistically compare the +/- of these players, which IMHO, has more to do with goaltending.

I haven't done the Corsi/Fenwick analysis yet. That would be more useful I think, adding up total NHL shots for players going both ways.

Did you even read the thread?

This is more about LA adding scoring/playmaking DEPTH and freeing CAP SPACE.

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#25 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 02:29PM
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oilerjed wrote:

did you really just quote the oilers fan blog for your trade proposal?

Yes, but not as a primary source to validate my comment here. I think it has merit and wanted to generate some discussion.

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#27 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 02:39PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

I don't know where you are getting your numbers. It is 66 points to 52 for Carter & Brown. Carter has no more upside. He's a proven 2C, but LA has Richards already.

You can't realistically compare the +/- of these players, which IMHO, has more to do with goaltending.

I haven't done the Corsi/Fenwick analysis yet. That would be more useful I think, adding up total NHL shots for players going both ways.

Did you even read the thread?

This is more about LA adding scoring/playmaking DEPTH and freeing CAP SPACE.

Are you adding Arcobello's totals into your calculation?

If so, why? Who are the King's pulling from their lineup to slot him in? At best he sits in the pressbox, he is the exact opposite of the player type the Kings have built their team around. At worst he goes straight to the AHL, neither situation would encourage anyone to include his point totals in the trade.

So we still end up with the Kings becoming demonstrably worse...

Saying I can't compare +/- is kind of silly... Look I did it, -31 to +7. Done. Compared, obvious loser. If you were looking at -2 to +2 sure you could look deeper into a ratio of shots etc to figure it out, but at a 38 goal spread it is safe to say which group isn't committed to defense.

If you really care though Brown and Carter have taken 332 shots so far this season to Gagner and Hemsky's 177...

On that note, you are taking 2 terrible defensive players who produce LESS than the people you are asking for and saying anybody in their right mind would accept that deal?!?

What is the point of DEPTH(lol? seriously) and CAP SPACE mid-season when you lose the core of your team and replace it with a 2nd liner who is struggling to find his game and a 3rd liner who can't crack the top six on the worst team in the NHL.

You understand that would be the equivalent of the Kings packing it in midseason for the futures of Lander, Klefbom and some cap space.

Sigh, the coolaid is strong with this one...

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#28 Oil Is My Blood
February 07 2014, 02:44PM
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26 comments to date, and not one about the beautiful woman in the jpg?? Shame, ON readers, shame

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#29 pkam
February 07 2014, 02:45PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

Yes, but not as a primary source to validate my comment here. I think it has merit and wanted to generate some discussion.

I will be thrilled if we can get Jeff Carter. He is big, can play both center and wings, best PPG amongst all Kings, great FO @54.6%, good +/-, and has an excellent contact at 5.3M per for 7 more years.

Lombardi would be crazy to even think about it. Why would any team struggling to score goal trade away their top goal scorer?

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#30 Lowe Expectations
February 07 2014, 02:46PM
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Let's get this game over with so we can get ready for the real games. If nothing else, being an Oiler fan makes me more excited for Olympic hockey.

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#31 The Farmer
February 07 2014, 02:48PM
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I can understand going with Bryzgalov tonight... If we were fighting for a playoff spot. The numbers strongly support playing your rested goalie.

(I will however point out many times coaches will go back to back following a shutout to throw the keeper a bone for the great effort. Obviously if you give up even one goal the next game your sv% will be lower, thus skewing this stat somewhat.)

However this time right now is decision time with Scrivens. I'd like to see him keep playing, he may be the best option going forward, and I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper than fishing for Hiller or Miller with a 7 million dollar lure.

Neither of whom I am convinced is better than Scrivens anyway.

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#32 Rob...
February 07 2014, 02:50PM
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I'm going to be cheering for a 6 point night from Snowpants. It would be awesome to have GM's from around the league going nuts trying to win the Sam Gagner Sweepstakes when the Olympics end. As far fetched as that is, it's more likely that one or more of the many C's participating in the Olympics goes down with injury. Making at least one team desperate for a replacement.

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#33 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 02:51PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Are you adding Arcobello's totals into your calculation?

If so, why? Who are the King's pulling from their lineup to slot him in? At best he sits in the pressbox, he is the exact opposite of the player type the Kings have built their team around. At worst he goes straight to the AHL, neither situation would encourage anyone to include his point totals in the trade.

So we still end up with the Kings becoming demonstrably worse...

Saying I can't compare +/- is kind of silly... Look I did it, -31 to +7. Done. Compared, obvious loser. If you were looking at -2 to +2 sure you could look deeper into a ratio of shots etc to figure it out, but at a 38 goal spread it is safe to say which group isn't committed to defense.

If you really care though Brown and Carter have taken 332 shots so far this season to Gagner and Hemsky's 177...

On that note, you are taking 2 terrible defensive players who produce LESS than the people you are asking for and saying anybody in their right mind would accept that deal?!?

What is the point of DEPTH(lol? seriously) and CAP SPACE mid-season when you lose the core of your team and replace it with a 2nd liner who is struggling to find his game and a 3rd liner who can't crack the top six on the worst team in the NHL.

You understand that would be the equivalent of the Kings packing it in midseason for the futures of Lander, Klefbom and some cap space.

Sigh, the coolaid is strong with this one...

In 58 GP Brown has 10G and 6A for 0.28 P/PG In 41 GP Arcobello has 4G amd 14A for 0.44 P/PG

I'm not saying Brown is less of a player but on purely offensive numbers for this season, you cannot seriously think that Arco has zero trade value?

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#34 RexHolez
February 07 2014, 02:51PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Did you read the article? I said I understand why he is starting Bryz.

I showed proof that coaches go with their gut in back-to-back and they have had really good success. Pretty simple to see.

Also I didn't assume he would start Scrivens vs. Van or tonight, I said Eakins wouldn't, but I would. Understand the difference between an assumption and an opinion. :)

Jason. Did you read my post? I stated that that was essentially the same article you wrote a couple of weeks back on why your opinion would be to start Scrivens. I just pointed out your lack of creativity in the writing department.

The reality is, is that very few times in a back to back situation does one goalie start both games, unless that goalie is one of a select few elite goaltenders.

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#35 Taylor Gang
February 07 2014, 02:54PM
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I love seeing the #1 trio together. Yakupov is a thoroughbred that needs top line minutes in order to succeed. You can see how bad he wants that goal, it's amazing! Keep Hall and Yak together. They seem to have great chemistry.

As for the game, I think we see a 2-0 shutout. Boyd and Ebs with the goals. Bryz looks shaky but gets bailed out by Marincin.

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#36 Rip van Winkle
February 07 2014, 02:55PM
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Oil Is My Blood wrote:

26 comments to date, and not one about the beautiful woman in the jpg?? Shame, ON readers, shame

meh, too much makeup!

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#37 Dog Train
February 07 2014, 02:57PM
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A game with the Devils just before the Olympic break has all the makings of a snoozer. I'll say 3-1 Oilers. Elias scores for the Devils making it harder for Smyth to crack the top 100 scorers while Hall, Yakupov and Jones get the Oilers goals.

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#38 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 02:58PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

In 58 GP Brown has 10G and 6A for 0.28 P/PG In 41 GP Arcobello has 4G amd 14A for 0.44 P/PG

I'm not saying Brown is less of a player but on purely offensive numbers for this season, you cannot seriously think that Arco has zero trade value?

Yup, Brown is big, strong, hits and has 6+ seasons of 50+ points in the NHL.

Acrobello is small, albiet fiesty and has 1 season of 50+ points in the AHL.

One of these things is not like the other and one of these things would have trade value; the other is 100% unproven and would have 4th to 6th round draft pick value in a trade...

Please see Linus Omark's first NHL season for a comparable.

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#39 Randaman
February 07 2014, 02:59PM
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So, Kypreos (insert IDIOT here)breaks a story of an impending trade between L.A. and the Oil and everyone goes bonkers. The man just likes to see his name in the press. No deal? What a shock. Nothing will happen until after the break because of salary/cap issues. Even I know that much. Wonder how much he gets paid. Looking forward to the deal with Rogers so we can be the first to know when something isn't going to happen. LOL

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#40 Jordanzza
February 07 2014, 03:07PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

To EDM: Carter and Brown To LA: Gagner, Hemsky*, Arcobello, Klefbom and/or Lander

http://fans.oilers.nhl.com/community/topic/15100-la-kings-cap-crunch-trade-relief/

So I've added up the shots for per game, and I think that really reveals why LA would hesitate on this deal:

Brown/Carter [52 pts] combined for 332 shots in 107 GP (3.11)

To Gagner/Hemsky/Arcobello [66 pts] combined 247 shots in 138 GP (1.79)

That said Brown's better producing days seem to be behind him: http://kings.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8470606

... and if I were the Kings, at this point I'd rather have Hemmer + Gagner in my top 6 than him, and although he's undersized, Arco has made a case as well.

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#41 pkam
February 07 2014, 03:11PM
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Oil Is My Blood wrote:

26 comments to date, and not one about the beautiful woman in the jpg?? Shame, ON readers, shame

JG had pictures of prettier women in his previous GDB, but for the first time this year, the Oilers won 5 of their last 6 and have a decent chance to win another one tonight to make in 6 of the last 7.

If Oilers win, I couldn't care if there is picture of pretty woman in the GDB.

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#42 Clyde Frog
February 07 2014, 03:18PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

So I've added up the shots for per game, and I think that really reveals why LA would hesitate on this deal:

Brown/Carter [52 pts] combined for 332 shots in 107 GP (3.11)

To Gagner/Hemsky/Arcobello [66 pts] combined 247 shots in 138 GP (1.79)

That said Brown's better producing days seem to be behind him: http://kings.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8470606

... and if I were the Kings, at this point I'd rather have Hemmer + Gagner in my top 6 than him, and although he's undersized, Arco has made a case as well.

Yes, but you aren't trading 6 players for Brown; you included Carter...

Which makes this whole thing so laughable.

Also have you found a secret loophole that allows the Kings to play 8 players in their top 6?

If not you actually have to take more than 1 player out of their line-up, see the previous problem I pointed out with including Arcobello's totals in your "equations"...

Long story short:

You have taken Gagner a player the Kings apparently are offering a 4th liner (+prospects or picks) for.

Added Hemsky a player we have struggled to get a 2nd rounder for at past trade deadlines.

Arcobello, a player with roughly the same value as Omark (See the conditional 6th round pick)

Lander and Klefbom, 2 kids doing ok in the AHL (One of whom has 0 NHL experience and the other who has 1 NHL assist)

And somehow come to the conclusion that the all those pieces will garner the Kings best or 2nd best forward in Carter and their Captain in Brown who is having an off year, but up to this point has posted 50+ points in the last 6 straight seasons.

Yeah, how could I have been so blind!? Obviously the Kings will tank the rest of their season to get access to those amazing futures!

/sigh

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#43 Oil Is My Blood
February 07 2014, 03:21PM
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@pkam

6 of the last 7 lipstick on a pig.

lipstick on her, however.....

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#44 admiralmark
February 07 2014, 03:24PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Yup, Brown is big, strong, hits and has 6+ seasons of 50+ points in the NHL.

Acrobello is small, albiet fiesty and has 1 season of 50+ points in the AHL.

One of these things is not like the other and one of these things would have trade value; the other is 100% unproven and would have 4th to 6th round draft pick value in a trade...

Please see Linus Omark's first NHL season for a comparable.

This man(im assuming) is 100% correct.

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#45 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 03:25PM
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Interesting little tidbit...

If the Yotes, Stars, Canucks all continue their current points pace's they would finish with 91, 89, and 88, respectively.

If the Oilers won every single game in the remainder of this season, they would finish with 92 points.

There is still a chance....

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#46 oilerjed
February 07 2014, 03:28PM
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loweblows wrote:

Totally agree with you! It's the Canadian hockey media! They're the TMZ of this country. When Jason Gregor talked about this trade yesterday and started chatting with Robin Brownlee about who they would rather trade for and how they would run the team, was so ridiculous! They basically chased their tails and had water cooler talk for over an hour!

Im surprised what all these guys are gonna talk about over the Olympic break before the hockey starts? Curious to see what kind of drama they're gonna drum up...

Wasnt just Gregor talking about it and I never heard Kypreos mention it all. Seems to me there are more people talking about then normal. And just because it didnt happen today doesnt mean squat, its cheaper for the other team to wait until after the break to save a couple of weeks salary.

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#47 #ThereGoesTheOilers
February 07 2014, 03:36PM
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Hey Jason, you know Sochi has started right?

Here's a more appropriate GDB picture, courtesy of Jenna Blasman who is representing Canada in snowboarding:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=743665548995097&set=a.743665158995136.1073741827.743664325661886&type=1&theater

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#48 MacT
February 07 2014, 03:46PM
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#ThereGoesTheOilers wrote:

Hey Jason, you know Sochi has started right?

Here's a more appropriate GDB picture, courtesy of Jenna Blasman who is representing Canada in snowboarding:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=743665548995097&set=a.743665158995136.1073741827.743664325661886&type=1&theater

He knows Sochi is underway, its just that his audience doesn't care about anything except Oilers hockey.

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#49 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 03:48PM
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I'd be celebrating that prediction as well, after that Clarkson for Yakupov suggestion. 5-2 Jersey with Eakins starting the wrong goalie tonight.

All in for Ekblad. Might as well grab McDavid to while we're wandering in this desert.

Not at all concerned with the longevity of said suckage. Management drove this franchise face first into the mud, so what's another year of being the laughing stock if McDavid can be had. The pride in those who run this hockey club left long ago. Management is obviously all right with it.

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#50 Nucleaic acid
February 07 2014, 03:48PM
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@Jason Gregor

Gregor, like your articles, but man are you a little b!tch when someone calls You out, right or wrong why do you even care? your supposed to be a professional writer, not a professional baby, let the comments generate, grow a pair

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