GDB 60.0: TO BACK OR NOT TO BACK

Jason Gregor
February 07 2014 01:15PM

Ilya Bryzgalov will start tonight in New Jersey. The stats suggest it makes sense to start him instead of going back-to-back with Ben Scrivens, but considering the Oilers are winning by getting out shot, I wonder if combining that along with going back to Scrivens would guarantee a win.

We'll never know, but it is good to look at the possibilities.

I looked at the top-ten goalie leaders in wins to see how many times they played back-to-back and how they fared:

Goalie...           result           SV%                    saves
Fleury                 L                 .902             stopped 18 of 21
Niemi                 W               .903              stopped 28 of 31
Varlamov           W               .926              stopped 25 of 27
Bishop               W               .941             stopped 48 of 51 (played night before allowed 5 goals)
Bishop               W               .933             stopped 28 of 30
Rask                  L                 .750             stopped 9 of 12 and was pulled.
Rask                  W                .977             stopped 43 of 44
Rask                  W                .915             stopped 21 of 23
Price                  L                 .943             stopped 33 of 35 (had exact same stats night before)
Price                  L                 .846             stopped 22 of 26 (had identical SV% and GAA night before)
Hiller                 W                1.000           stopped 22 of 22
Hiller                 W                 .955            stopped 42 of 44
Mason              W                 .944            stopped 34 of 36
Crawford          W                .935             stopped 29 of 31
Crawford          W                .958             stopped 23 of 24 (allowed 5 goals the previous night)
Crawford          W                .826             stopped 19 of 23 (defeated the Oilers)
CrawFord        OTL             .900             stopped 27 of 30

Most coaches don't go back-to-back very often, but in these 17 instances with the top goalies their combined record was 12-4-1 with a .917 SV%.

It should be noted that Price's two back-to-back situations came on January 25th and February 2nd. He had been struggling so Michel Therrien went against the grain to try and get him out of a funk. It was odd to see Price have the exact same stats in the first and second games. In the January sets he was bad on both nights and lost both games, but on February 1st and 2nd he had .944 and .943 SV% on consecutive nights, and allowed only two goals both nights.

Jon Cooper went back to Bishop after he allowed five goals the night before. He wanted his starter to bounce back and he did with a huge 48 save performance. Joel Quenneville did the same thing with Crawford this year and he rewarded his coach with a strong effort the second night.

Eric T from NHLnumbers.com wrote a very indepth piece on the drop in SV% on the second night of back-to-backs, so I understand why Eakins is going with Bryzgalov, but the above numbers show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights. This year they have had success doing it, and I'm sure it helps when you are on a good team, but it shows that coaches do go with gut feel sometimes and won't always play the odds.

Scrivens has the highest SV%, .937, amongst goalie who has started 20+ games, and the only time he played back-to-back this year he was perfect. He stopped all 26 shots in a 2-0 Kings victory, and two days later he shutout the Rangers as well.

After beating the Rangers again last night, I wouldn't have had an issue at all if Eakins went back to Scrivens.

Sometimes you have to go against the odds, just like I predicted in yesterday's GDP and OGDP. That might have been my best prediction ever.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: This is a low scoring affair, and the Oilers continue to buck the shooting trend with a 2-1 victory. Gagner scores just to add fuel to the trade speculation. 

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Rangers outshoot the Oilers. Scrivens has faced an average of 39 shots in his five starts with the Oilers, but tonight he gets an "easier" night facing only 36. 

LINEUP....

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Hemsky
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Marincin-Petry
N.Schultz-J.Schultz
Fraser-Ference

Bryzgalov

The Oilers didn't skate this morning, but Jack Michaels hinted there would be one forward change. Maybe it is simply Joensuu back in for Jones or possibly something else. Likely on the 4th line, unless someone in the top-nine got banged up last night.

QUICK HITS...

  • A rare twitter mistake by Gene Principe last night when he jumped the gun tweeting out that Ryan Smyth was now top-100 in goals. Smyth scored his 384th goal last night, but Patrick Elias has scored four in the last two weeks and he sits 100th with 386. 
  • Alex Ovechkin scored his 40th goal of the seaon last night, and he is on pace to get 50 for the 5th time in his career, and when he does he will join a very select group of players who have scored 50 goals five times.

    Wayne Gretzky and Mike Bossy did it 9 times.
    Guy Lafleur, Marcel Dionne and Mario Lemieux did it 6 times.
    Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull and Pavel Bure did it 5 times.
     
  • Since 2005/2006 there has been 17 occasions where a player scored 50 goals.
    Ovechkin has done it 4 times.
    Steven Stamkos, Ilya Kovalchuk and Dany Heatley did it twice.
    Jonathan Cheechoo, Jaromir Jagr, Jarome Iginla, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Corey Perry and Evgeni Malkin did it once.
     
  • Despite playing in an era where goals are hard to come by Ovechkin has still produced, and at a rate better than everyone except Steven Stamkos. He has a realistic shot to become only the 3rd player in NHL history to have seven 50-goal seasons. I hope he gets there.
     
  • I've had many fans text the show and I've seen some people write how Nail Yakupov's one-timer is similar to Ovechkin. Yakupov shoots the puck hard, but he isn't close to the goal scorer Oveckhin is. That isn't a knock on Yakupov, because Ovie is one of the greatest goal scorers the NHL has ever seen , but stop comparing the two. They aren't close. Ovechkin is much better at finding an open spot, plus his shot is much harder. He regularly beats goalies from above the hash marks.
     
  • Here is a shot chart of Nail Yakupov (goals in red) courtesy of somekindofninja.com.  You will notice that Yakupov has one goal from outside the top of the circles. Now look at Ovechkin's shot and goal chart. He has 12 goals from outside the top of the circle. To beat today's goalies from that far out you need a heavy shot and accuracy.
     
  • That being said, I liked how Yakupov found the soft spot in the high slot last night, and buried the game winner. It was a great pass from Gagner, but one of the most important parts of being a good goal scorer is finding the open spots and Yakupov found it at the most important time of the game. He has a very good shot and he should use it more, but let's stop comparing him to Ovechkin. It is unfair to both of them.
     
  • Gagner's assist is why you can't trade him for spare parts. He has very good offensive abilities. I know he doesn't show them all the time -- consistency is what separates 50-point players from 80-point guys -- but he has great skill. If MacTavish trades him, he needs to get a decent return.

TONIGHT...

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers are in the midst of their best stretch of the season, and they'll head into the break on a high after a 3-2 win over the Devils.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers will continue on their successful get-out-shot-but-win streak, but tonight they allow fewer shots than usual getting out shot 29-26.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The ageless wonder Jaromir Jagr scores a pair of goals giving him 19 on the season, but 700 in his career. He heads to the Olympics having scored 50 points. Unreal.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 The Big G
February 07 2014, 03:53PM
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Jordanzza wrote:

So I've added up the shots for per game, and I think that really reveals why LA would hesitate on this deal:

Brown/Carter [52 pts] combined for 332 shots in 107 GP (3.11)

To Gagner/Hemsky/Arcobello [66 pts] combined 247 shots in 138 GP (1.79)

That said Brown's better producing days seem to be behind him: http://kings.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8470606

... and if I were the Kings, at this point I'd rather have Hemmer + Gagner in my top 6 than him, and although he's undersized, Arco has made a case as well.

I've seen bad trade offers, but this might take the cake.

We are going to send to a stanley cup contender a UFA and two small centers, so going into the playoffs they can have acrobello and Gagner to go up against Perry, Getzlaf, Thorton and Pavelski or Toews. In exchange we get their Captain and hits leader, along with their best goal scorer. Why don't you ask them to toss in Drew Doughty too as i'm sure if you add Belov then lombardi will be all over this deal.

Carter hated the playing in Columbus, i don't think he has any desire to leave the warmth and cup contending ways of LA to head on up to Edmonton.

Mind you by your trade offer there, we can package him up with Matt Hendricks and Pittsburgh will send us Crosby and three first rounders.

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#52 VK63
February 07 2014, 03:58PM
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she has very shiny lips.

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#53 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 04:03PM
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oilerman53 wrote:

Yak needs to be able to find those spaces in which he can get his shot away better. His biggest problem is his over excitement with the puck. The coaching staff should realize he can't be relied upon to lug the puck in. Maybe on a quick dump in and to best utilize him he needs to play on a line where his center and left wing can dish him the puck on the right side even the slot. Its up to him to be able to find these areas, the Oilers when and if they do trade Gagner should be looking for a big strong center to play with Yak for next year. Horcoff wasn't good at a lot of things but in the month where Yak scored 11 goals he played almost exclusively with Horcoff who would battle for the puck.

As for tonight the Devils will probably be having a nice long look at Hemsky. With the acquisition of Hendricks and the effectiveness of the third line with him there Hemsky's time here seems to be coming to an end. Kind of sad when you think of all the abuse he took at the hands of guys like Regehr and Kronwall and always bounced back up. This year he may get his chance to play with his buddies Jagr and Elias. Devils tonight 4-3.

I agree with your Yakupov assessment. The kid panics with the puck as much as i do in beer league. He's too busy trying to stick handle as fast as he can instead of just moving it the right way to make a play.

Hall, Nuge and Ebs are great at making plays. Yak is certainly on the outside looking in in that regard.

I like how Hall was quoted last night as saying that he told Yak to just get open and get that shot ready. This acknowledges and confirms what fans are seeing in Yaks game.

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#54 #ThereGoesTheOilers
February 07 2014, 04:14PM
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MacT wrote:

He knows Sochi is underway, its just that his audience doesn't care about anything except Oilers hockey.

Given how disappointing this season has been, that's an incredibly sad statement. You would think this would be a welcome distraction.

Besides, you don't have to care about Sochi to appreciate that we have some very good looking Canadians over there right now.

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#55 MacT
February 07 2014, 04:19PM
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#ThereGoesTheOilers wrote:

Given how disappointing this season has been, that's an incredibly sad statement. You would think this would be a welcome distraction.

Besides, you don't have to care about Sochi to appreciate that we have some very good looking Canadians over there right now.

I didnt mean this to be a slam.

Im actually just saying what Jason told me via text yesterday when I tried to bring up the topic of the Olympics instead of Gagner rumours. He said and I quote "yes our audience really wants to talk about team figure skating... I know what audience wants....it isn't team figure skating."

basically got blasted by trying to suggest there was more to talk about than the sad Oilers.

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#56 **
February 07 2014, 04:23PM
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16 data points over the course of one season hardly "show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights." Of the top 10 teams in the league this season, according to the data in this article, only 5 goalies have been used more than once in back to backs. Only four have a winning record, that's a success rate of 40%, even the data on this article, when interpreted right, supports going with a different goalie on back to backs.

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#57 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 04:23PM
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MacT wrote:

I didnt mean this to be a slam.

Im actually just saying what Jason told me via text yesterday when I tried to bring up the topic of the Olympics instead of Gagner rumours. He said and I quote "yes our audience really wants to talk about team figure skating... I know what audience wants....it isn't team figure skating."

basically got blasted by trying to suggest there was more to talk about than the sad Oilers.

Well in that instance, i agree with him.

This fan doesnt give a rats Arse about team figure skating, canadian or otherwise. I care about hockey! And right now NHL hockey is still in session. In between the Oilers and Team Canada, we can talk about all the snowboarders, figure skaters or short track racers.. But once team canada laces up their skates, it's Back to hockey baby! WOOOOOOOooo =)

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#58 GoCanadaGo
February 07 2014, 04:26PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Well in that instance, i agree with him.

This fan doesnt give a rats Arse about team figure skating, canadian or otherwise. I care about hockey! And right now NHL hockey is still in session. In between the Oilers and Team Canada, we can talk about all the snowboarders, figure skaters or short track racers.. But once team canada laces up their skates, it's Back to hockey baby! WOOOOOOOooo =)

He's a "sports" show not an exclusive hockey show.

We go to CHED and Oilers Now for that.

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#59 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 04:27PM
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** wrote:

16 data points over the course of one season hardly "show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights." Of the top 10 teams in the league this season, according to the data in this article, only 5 goalies have been used more than once in back to backs. Only four have a winning record, that's a success rate of 40%, even the data on this article, when interpreted right, supports going with a different goalie on back to backs.

I think you missed the Point. He wasn't saying that his data proves you should always play your good goalie in game 2 of the back to back. He was saying that the data shows that sometimes a coach goes with his gut and plays his starter in game 2 EVENTHOUGH he knows full well the STATS say to go with the backup on Night 2.

Basically he's just pointing out that Gut instinct trumps stats every once in a while, and when it does it appears to Pay off.

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#60 A-Mc
February 07 2014, 04:33PM
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GoCanadaGo wrote:

He's a "sports" show not an exclusive hockey show.

We go to CHED and Oilers Now for that.

Sure, i get that, but Hockey is a sport too and this is a Hockey crazed town.

I am a member of his target audience and IN MY OPINION, i think he did the right thing to talk about Gagner trade rumors instead of some random olympic event that i dont really care about.

So the long and short of it is.. atleast in my case, his hunch was right. Perhaps in your case, he was wrong.

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#61 Bloodsweatandoil
February 07 2014, 04:36PM
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Good luck to the Oil tonight!!! Would be an awesome finish before the Olympic break!

Also, all the best to Kris Letang! Hope for a speedy recovery and seeing you playing again in the near future! Very lucky to catch that one!

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#62 Spydyr
February 07 2014, 04:38PM
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OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: After tonights game the Oilers will not lose another game for twenty-one days.

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#63 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 04:42PM
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I'd be celebrating that prediction as well, after that Clarkson for Yakupov suggestion. 5-2 Jersey with Eakins starting the wrong goalie tonight.

All in for Ekblad. Might as well grab McDavid too while we're wandering in this desert.

Not at all concerned with the longevity of said suckage. Management drove this franchise face first into the mud, so what's another year of being the laughing stock if McDavid can be had. The pride in those who run this hockey club left long ago. Management is obviously all right with it. It's where this losing culture begins.

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#64 **
February 07 2014, 04:45PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'd be celebrating that prediction as well, after that Clarkson for Yakupov suggestion. 5-2 Jersey with Eakins starting the wrong goalie tonight.

All in for Ekblad. Might as well grab McDavid too while we're wandering in this desert.

Not at all concerned with the longevity of said suckage. Management drove this franchise face first into the mud, so what's another year of being the laughing stock if McDavid can be had. The pride in those who run this hockey club left long ago. Management is obviously all right with it. It's where this losing culture begins.

McDavid was pretty underwhelming at the World Juniors.

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#65 DealGagner
February 07 2014, 04:48PM
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MacT wrote:

I didnt mean this to be a slam.

Im actually just saying what Jason told me via text yesterday when I tried to bring up the topic of the Olympics instead of Gagner rumours. He said and I quote "yes our audience really wants to talk about team figure skating... I know what audience wants....it isn't team figure skating."

basically got blasted by trying to suggest there was more to talk about than the sad Oilers.

I listened yesterday...He had the one segment with Brownlee...unless I missed another one...

He talked NBA, had Garry Galley on powerplays, lacrosse, Rangers and almost seemed to avoid the Oilers...

I wish he'd talk more Oilers, I guess we hear different things. I wish he would do it more.

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#66 **
February 07 2014, 04:48PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I think you missed the Point. He wasn't saying that his data proves you should always play your good goalie in game 2 of the back to back. He was saying that the data shows that sometimes a coach goes with his gut and plays his starter in game 2 EVENTHOUGH he knows full well the STATS say to go with the backup on Night 2.

Basically he's just pointing out that Gut instinct trumps stats every once in a while, and when it does it appears to Pay off.

I was afraid that's what the article meant to say. That's the same logic behind buying a lottery ticket every week. Not really a recipe for success, and not really something worth writing about (twice) imo. It is silly and funny to me that someone goes through all that trouble to show and use numbers to support his idea that coaches should NOT always use numbers to select the starter of back to backs. IT sort of defies logic.

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#67 Quicksilver ballet
February 07 2014, 04:52PM
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** wrote:

McDavid was pretty underwhelming at the World Juniors.

His next one or two WJ'rs should be considerably different. Difficult to dominate at 16 when most everyone else is 19.

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#68 Oiler Al
February 07 2014, 04:53PM
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Its old men against the kids. Heck Devils top point getter is 41 years old . Come on kids you can do it. Should be able to skate around them and beyond.

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#69 **
February 07 2014, 04:59PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

His next one or two WJ'rs should be considerably different. Difficult to dominate at 16 when most everyone else is 19.

I hope he does, he definitively looked his age at the tournament. Also, I wonder if the big ice was a big adjustment for him, it might have been the first time he ever played on it.

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#70 DisappointedFan
February 07 2014, 05:01PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Pretty sure Crosby got 5 points in 6 games in his first WJC.

McDavid got 4points in 7, I don't think anyone should be going tossing "underwhelming" for a kid who should have been playing an age division below that.

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#71 vetinari
February 07 2014, 05:11PM
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Apparently the good people of NJ have decided to stay home tonight rather than watch these titans play.

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#72 Zarny
February 07 2014, 05:13PM
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** wrote:

16 data points over the course of one season hardly "show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights." Of the top 10 teams in the league this season, according to the data in this article, only 5 goalies have been used more than once in back to backs. Only four have a winning record, that's a success rate of 40%, even the data on this article, when interpreted right, supports going with a different goalie on back to backs.

No, actually if 4 out of 5 goalies who have been used more than once in back to backs have a winning record that's 80%.

If the other 5 teams have never played their goalies in back to backs you don't get to count them against the results of doing so.

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#73 **
February 07 2014, 05:13PM
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DisappointedFan wrote:

Pretty sure Crosby got 5 points in 6 games in his first WJC.

McDavid got 4points in 7, I don't think anyone should be going tossing "underwhelming" for a kid who should have been playing an age division below that.

the fact is he was underwhelming, and a good reason might be that, as you pint out, he was maybe in over his head in that tournament. No one is saying he won't be a superstar, don't get your panties in a bunch.

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#74 Zarny
February 07 2014, 05:23PM
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Yakupov will never be Ovechkin, but he needs to learn how to hit the gaps at the right time like Ovi.

And he needs to learn how to play off his linemates and quit thinking he can beat opponents 1 on 1. It's not junior anymore.

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#75 **
February 07 2014, 05:24PM
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Zarny wrote:

No, actually if 4 out of 5 goalies who have been used more than once in back to backs have a winning record that's 80%.

If the other 5 teams have never played their goalies in back to backs you don't get to count them against the results of doing so.

Gregor wrote: "I looked at the top-ten goalie leaders in wins to see how many times they played back-to-back and how they fared:".

Then he wrote: "...the above numbers show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights.", the key phrase being "a few times".

So, he looked at 10 goalies (known a the sample size, from where all the results will come from), out of which five went back to back more than once (a few times), out of which 4 got a winning record. If my elementary school math is correct, 4 out of 10 is 40%. But if I messed that one up please feel free to correct me. "If the other 5 teams have never played their goalies in back to backs you don't get to count them against the results of doing so. " This is false, so it is irrelevant. All 10 goalies he looked at played for a different team, 9 of which played back to back, I don't know where you got that 5 teams never played their goalies in back to back. Or IF we are making random IF assumptions, then what IF unicorns played hockey, and what IF they puked rainbows?.

In conclusion, your argument is massively invalid.

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#76 **
February 07 2014, 05:49PM
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tabs wrote:

Why is someone editing/removing posts? Someone is being very thin-skinned.......

who knows

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#77 dougtheslug
February 07 2014, 05:53PM
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Wow Oilers won 13 out of 15 faceoffs in the first period. At least one source of continuous frustration from last year seems to have been dealt with

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#78 Zarny
February 07 2014, 05:54PM
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** wrote:

Gregor wrote: "I looked at the top-ten goalie leaders in wins to see how many times they played back-to-back and how they fared:".

Then he wrote: "...the above numbers show that winning teams will go with their starter a few times a year on consecutive nights.", the key phrase being "a few times".

So, he looked at 10 goalies (known a the sample size, from where all the results will come from), out of which five went back to back more than once (a few times), out of which 4 got a winning record. If my elementary school math is correct, 4 out of 10 is 40%. But if I messed that one up please feel free to correct me. "If the other 5 teams have never played their goalies in back to backs you don't get to count them against the results of doing so. " This is false, so it is irrelevant. All 10 goalies he looked at played for a different team, 9 of which played back to back, I don't know where you got that 5 teams never played their goalies in back to back. Or IF we are making random IF assumptions, then what IF unicorns played hockey, and what IF they puked rainbows?.

In conclusion, your argument is massively invalid.

Only 5 G played back to back "more than once"; of which 4 had a winning record. So 4 of 5 goalies who have played back to backs more than once have a winning record. 80%.

There were 17 instances where the top 10 G played back to back. Their record overall was 12-4-1. That's a 70.6% success rate overall.

Your 40% is a massively meaningless stat. 1 out of the 10 G never attempted playing a back to back so there's no attempt. It's neither success nor failure. You don't count it in a success rate. It's a non-attempt.

You didn't take Stats 101 did you.

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#79 Another1stpick
February 07 2014, 05:55PM
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@Nucleaic acid

Standing up for yourself isn't being a baby. I love that Gregor calls people out when they are making up things or flat out wrong.

Also, it is hard to take your opinion seriously with that bad of grammar. I'd listen to someone's opinion if they came up with precise, articulate and accurate points, but I wouldn't worry at all about someone who comes across as less than bright.

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#80 Cynic
February 07 2014, 06:02PM
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I always thought Gregor's show was one of the few places where "sports radio" meant more than just fapping over the Oilers ad nauseam. He even has that - I assume - paid segment with the dude who talks about fitness. I could see that going over the head of the average fat-ass Oiler fan.

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#81 OILERSORDEATH
February 07 2014, 06:10PM
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Oilers skating well, like what I see. BS call on Frasher

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#82 **
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@Zarny

Wow, this is what you wrote: "If the other 5 teams have never played their goalies in back to backs you don't get to count them against the results of doing so. "

The key phrase being "never played their goalies back to backs".

Now you change it to: "Only 5 G played back to back "more than once"".

You don't even follow your own train of thought, how can I expect you to understand simple statistics?.

My bad. I won't argue with you again, "never argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell the difference"

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#83 Johnnydapunk
February 07 2014, 06:34PM
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Is it me or has Yakupov become a lot better defensively, like not only more responsible, but a better player overall for that?

I don't want to feel the rain of trashes for actually suggesting that maybe what Eakins did with Yak worked to make him a better player?

Yakupov has been all over the ice and checking a lot more in the defensive zones, at least the last few games I've noticed.

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#84 DSF
February 07 2014, 06:39PM
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Wow Oilers won 13 out of 15 faceoffs in the first period. At least one source of continuous frustration from last year seems to have been dealt with

They're 21st in the league.

Last season they were 24th.

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#85 Oilcruzer
February 07 2014, 06:41PM
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Bloodsweatandoil wrote:

Good luck to the Oil tonight!!! Would be an awesome finish before the Olympic break!

Also, all the best to Kris Letang! Hope for a speedy recovery and seeing you playing again in the near future! Very lucky to catch that one!

Nicely played. Classy even.

The game is better with Letang in it.

Thoughts and prayers for a speedy, full recovery.

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#86 D-Unit
February 07 2014, 06:42PM
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Some of the comment on this post are making my mind hurt tonight. I had hoped after a long week at work I wouldn't have to do much math for a couple days. Instead I come here and get a grade school math word problem.

If Zarny and G Bear go to the GDB to argue the statistics and math of how to properly calculate starting a goalie in back to back games, how far downhill has the Oilers season gone?

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#87 Reg Dunlop
February 07 2014, 06:48PM
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With regard to the debate over the relative merits of spending air time discussing the Olympics at the expense of oil rumors... come on, the Games are a once every 4 years chance to see a wide range of tobogganing: one guy on his back, one guy on his front, two guys on top of each other. That's way more important than discussing Edmonton's only real major league team(the CFL doesn't count because a good Texas high school team would win the Grey Cup).

Am I seeing true baby steps taken by the oil lately? Or is it the yearly illusion that keeps me going until October? Yak back checking like a buzzsaw. Petry bumping the opposition. Marincin looking like Randy Gregg. The tenders stopping pucks they see. Please oilers don't break my heart again. No more fail for Nail or whatever, just win, baby.

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#88 The Soup Fascist
February 07 2014, 06:49PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Is it me or has Yakupov become a lot better defensively, like not only more responsible, but a better player overall for that?

I don't want to feel the rain of trashes for actually suggesting that maybe what Eakins did with Yak worked to make him a better player?

Yakupov has been all over the ice and checking a lot more in the defensive zones, at least the last few games I've noticed.

Nuge's game is rubbing off on him.

Rumour has it he is going to change his name to Nail Yakupov-Hopkinski to show Eakins he is committed to a 200 foot game.

Don't think Gregor mentioned that in his NSOGDP, thus ending his hot streak.

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February 07 2014, 06:53PM
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@DSF

Do my eyes deceive? A post from the dreaded DSF? Welcome back, brother.

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#90 Mason Storm
February 07 2014, 06:55PM
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Outshot 19-11 in the third. Tied at one. Nothing left to see here, Oilers have it wrapped up.

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February 07 2014, 06:56PM
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who knows

Thanks G Bear but what I posted was an opinion that could hardly be considered offensive.

This site is called Oilersnation where bloggers and fans share opinions and discuss all things hockey. When I post I'am not naive enough to believe everyone here will agree, FWIW my player assessment often differs from the masses.

I've seen enough posts that have been altered or deleted altogether to write this.

It's unsettling that my father, uncles and others of their age fought wars for our freedoms and liberties yet someone feels it necessary to censor posts simply because said person disagrees with someones opinion.

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They're 21st in the league.

Last season they were 24th.

The big D is back!

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They're 21st in the league.

Last season they were 24th.

Hey DSF, did you get banned?

Welcome back

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#94 Brent Lawrence
February 07 2014, 07:18PM
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Nucleaic acid wrote:

Gregor, like your articles, but man are you a little b!tch when someone calls You out, right or wrong why do you even care? your supposed to be a professional writer, not a professional baby, let the comments generate, grow a pair

You have the audacity to call Gregor a bitch? You don't even have the guts to post your own name. Pretty easy to be a nameless troll.

All those who propped your comment are just as gutless. I've noticed a lot of nameless a-holes on here lately. It is easy to rip guys, but Gregor never hides, and whether I agree with him or not, I respect that we know what he believes in.

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#95 Stack Pad Save
February 07 2014, 07:30PM
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That was the worst reffing in the last 10 minutes of that game. Those 2 refs cost the Oilers that game.

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#96 Loweblows
February 07 2014, 07:32PM
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Sometimes nhl reffing is bush league! Could you imagine a superbowl won on a touchdown on a blatant non call?

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February 07 2014, 07:33PM
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Please lord let Hemsky have a Lights out olympics. I am so done with him being an Oiler and the way he is playing he looks done as an Oiler.

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#98 steelymac
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Great Effort boys!!! First New Jersey goal offside by a footno call surprise surprise.Devils winning goal should never have counted surprise surprise.Somewhere Bettman is grinning that the Lowely Oilers didn't show up all his eastern teams.NHL officiating is a joke.Great effort boys!!!

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#99 hankthetank
February 07 2014, 07:38PM
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FFS

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The Oilers have shown on this stretch their best hockey of the season. This is as good as it gets with this group. IT think it is easier now to identify the needs of the team and the failures of the coach. I'd say they hang on to both goalies for dear life.

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