LOTTERY PICKS FOR 2014

Lowetide
February 09 2014 10:45AM

Be Bad for Ekblad. Death Rattle for Draisaitl. The early draft chants for 2014 aren't exactly poetry, and the sheer number of them tells us there's no clear cut favorite for the top spot this time. The new year does bring us some clarity, and the top 5 seem to be surrounded. Here's a guess about the current lay of the land for the 2014 NHL entry draft.

Since 2010, Edmonton Oiler fans have received an education with the entry draft. At this point, NHL teams could probably hire a group of people at any area Oodle Noodle and get an in-depth summary of how the draft works, the value of taking a defenseman in the lottery picks, and how well you can answer "Taylor versus Tyler" four years later.

Here are the 7 best prospects for this year's Entry draft:

  1. D Aaron Ekblad, Barrie (OHL) 41, 18-23-41 -4. Despite a tough outing this week, Ekblad remains the top man on the list at this time. 6.04, 216 and sporting a mature frame, Ekblad might be the most able plug-and-play defenseman in some time. If he's on the board when the  Oilers pick, expect a MacGregor sprint to the podium.
  2. C Sam Reinhart, Kootenay (WHL) 43, 27-49-76 +17. Reinhart is going to make this difficult if his offense continues to blossom. In his last 10 games, Reinhart is 11-15-26 and is rocking the dub. His NHL equivalency (82, 15-28-43) is clear of RNH's in his draft year. Similar to Nuge in that he's a cerebral player with a wide range of skills.
  3. C Sam Bennett, Kingston (OHL). 46, 29-50-79 +33. This player could end up jumping past Ekblad/Reinhart for a couple of reasons. His offense is on par with Reinhart, and his range of skills is also his equal. Bennett's "kicker" is that he's a physical center and that might tip the balance. The fact that he plays in superstar factory OHL may also benefit him. His equal strength goal totals and birthdate may also help.
  4. C Leon Draisaitl, Prince Albert (WHL). 46, 22-44-66 -1. Big center with playmaking skill was a contender for #1 overall until a disappointing World Junior tournament. Draisaitl is sometimes called "the German Gretzky" because of his excellent skills and anticipation. Scouts love the tool box inside his 6'1", 209-pound frame, but would like him to use his size more often.
  5. L Michael Dal Colle, Oshawa (OHL). 53, 32-44-76 +9. In his last 18 games, Dal Colle is 9-11-20, so he's down slightly from the fast train start to his season. 6.02, 171 he's a very good skater and has plus skills. NHL teams would love Dal Colle to play a more physical style, but his offense probably gets him inside the top 5 anyway.
  6. L Jake Virtanen, Calgary (WHL). 55, 33-18-51 +14. A terrfic skater with great hands and a late birthday, Virtanen is 6.01, 210. His 85pims and playing style suggest he may have a future as a power forward in the NHL, making him the most attractive option of that player-type in this year's draft.
  7. C Ivan Barbashev, Moncton (QMJHL). 40, 21-35-56 -7. The young Russian is trending courtesy a terrific recent run. In his last 11 games, Barbashev is 8-11-19 and ripping up the Q. Bob McKenzie had him number 13 but this recent run should get him well inside the top 10.

EDMONTON'S LIST!

Since 2008 (and Stu MacGregor's hiring) the Oilers have been "risk averse" with their first round selections. There have been no Jesse Niinimaki's, nary a trade down for Pouliot and not one Schremp in the boat. First round selections since 2008: Eberle, Paajarvi, Hall, Nuge, Klefbom, Yakupov and Nurse. Risk. Averse. In fact, the McKenzie list is now an excellent guide for Oiler fans, a far cry from "there's no picture of Alexei Mikhnov in the Hockey news, no stats online and he appears to have no passport to get out of upper Balticica."

I expect that the Oilers will select Ekblad if he's there, but if Buffalo selects first and they take the defender, the Oilers will either trade out (a very real possibility) or grab one of Reinhart or Bennett. Would they draft Sam Reinhart and trade for Griffin Reinhart same day? They could.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

This is going to be a tough draft to judge, because all of the prospects are so close. It'll be years before we know, and the Oilers have a nice group to choose from if they keep their first round selection. Keep an eye on the defenseman.

We'll look at this year's class again before the end of the season, but this group of 7 has emerged from the pack.

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#51 Serious Gord
February 09 2014, 01:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Hemsky to Pittsburgh for the Penguins 1st or Simon Depres?

I laughed out loud when I read the above. We probably have to pay the pens to take hemsky.

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#52 Serious Gord
February 09 2014, 01:54PM
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The oil need ready to play nhlers. If MacT doesn't trade the pick he should be fired.

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#53 DSF
February 09 2014, 01:58PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

@DSF

Francesco Acquilinni, the Canucks owner, met with the team last night after the Toronto game, to assure them that he believes the Canucks are on the right track under Gillis.

This is usually the "Kiss of Death" for someone in the organization when the owner says this, when healthy the have a good defense but I don't see the secondary scoring coming after the break either. The Sedin's have been two of the best players in the league since the 05 lockout but to me it looks like their bodies are starting to breakdown from all the abuse, I don't follow their prospects too closely, do they have a Calvary coming from their system?

Who knows about how solid Gillis' footing really is but I would imagine he'll get cut some slack because of all the injuries.

He actually has done some pretty good work in finding actual NHL players in unusual places.

He picked up Ryan Stanton on waivers and he's been really solid.

He also picked up Mike Santorelli on waivers and he was having a pretty nice season (49GP 10G 18A 28P +9) but he's out for the season.

Gillis also picked up Yannik Webber and Rafael Diaz for spare parts but his D have been dropping like flies.

All of Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Tanev, Stanton and Alberts have been injured since January so it's not surprising they've been losing but those injuries certainly don't explain why their goal scoring has dropped off the map.

Burrows, for example has ZERO goals in 28 games.

Daniel and Henrik were very good to start the season and then fell into an elevator shaft.

Some pundits think it's because Tortorella has played them too much and had them killing penalties and there may be something to that.

Among forwards in TOI/G, Kesler is 1st in the league and the Sedins rank 5th and 6th.

As for their prospects, their system looks quite a bit better than a couple of years ago with Bo Horvat, Hunter Shinkaruk (injured) Brendan Gaunce, Niklas Jensen and Frankie Corrado all playing either in junior or in the AHL.

And one move that may pay off is the signing of C Dane Fox.

He is an undrafted over ager who is tearing up the OHL (53GP 55G 35A 90P +36).

Interestingly enough, Fox plays on a line with Calgary Flames 6th round pick Connor Brown who leads the OHL in scoring with 107P.

Hard to read overagers...but that some serious offensive pop.

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#54 speeds
February 09 2014, 01:58PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The oil need ready to play nhlers. If MacT doesn't trade the pick he should be fired.

Again, they are trying to build a winner for 10-15 years, holding on to the pick is not an indefensible position.

There's nothing saying they can't make moves to improve the team while also retaining one of the most valuable pieces in the entire organization.

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#55 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 09 2014, 01:59PM
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The range in Hemsky valuation has got to be one of the bigger spreads.

Other nominations?

Semin comes to mind.

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#56 Rod from Viking
February 09 2014, 02:02PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I laughed out loud when I read the above. We probably have to pay the pens to take hemsky.

In a way they will, probably maximum amount of his contract.

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#57 DSF
February 09 2014, 02:07PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

I laughed out loud when I read the above. We probably have to pay the pens to take hemsky.

I don't think so.

GM's traditionally have overpaid at the trade deadline when they have a specific need and Pittsburgh desperately needs a scoring winger.

Depres was the Penguins 30th overall pick in 2009 and, with the emergence of Olli Matta, and with Derek Pouliot in the pipeline, I think the Oilers could grab him.

Pouliot BTW is ripping up the WHL with 52P in 42 GP

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#58 Chainsawz
February 09 2014, 02:15PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

It's a term of art.

Language doesn't adhere to the strict rules of contemporary designation you are trying to assign it. We know this.

I doubt you have the authority to speak for the "we" you are attempting to speak for.

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#59 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 09 2014, 02:15PM
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DSF wrote:

Who knows about how solid Gillis' footing really is but I would imagine he'll get cut some slack because of all the injuries.

He actually has done some pretty good work in finding actual NHL players in unusual places.

He picked up Ryan Stanton on waivers and he's been really solid.

He also picked up Mike Santorelli on waivers and he was having a pretty nice season (49GP 10G 18A 28P +9) but he's out for the season.

Gillis also picked up Yannik Webber and Rafael Diaz for spare parts but his D have been dropping like flies.

All of Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Tanev, Stanton and Alberts have been injured since January so it's not surprising they've been losing but those injuries certainly don't explain why their goal scoring has dropped off the map.

Burrows, for example has ZERO goals in 28 games.

Daniel and Henrik were very good to start the season and then fell into an elevator shaft.

Some pundits think it's because Tortorella has played them too much and had them killing penalties and there may be something to that.

Among forwards in TOI/G, Kesler is 1st in the league and the Sedins rank 5th and 6th.

As for their prospects, their system looks quite a bit better than a couple of years ago with Bo Horvat, Hunter Shinkaruk (injured) Brendan Gaunce, Niklas Jensen and Frankie Corrado all playing either in junior or in the AHL.

And one move that may pay off is the signing of C Dane Fox.

He is an undrafted over ager who is tearing up the OHL (53GP 55G 35A 90P +36).

Interestingly enough, Fox plays on a line with Calgary Flames 6th round pick Connor Brown who leads the OHL in scoring with 107P.

Hard to read overagers...but that some serious offensive pop.

Gillis is a really interesting GM. He's exceptional at finding bargain value. Really elite level.

But, a lot of picks higher up the chart blow up in his face.

His worst move might just be the coach shuffle. That team isn't built for Torts' style revolution. AV's hard zone push makes a lot more sense… and worked a lot better.

Burrows has a league worst PDO… luck couldn't have picked a nicer guy to eff with ;)

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 09 2014, 02:17PM
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Chainsawz wrote:

I doubt you have the authority to speak for the "we" you are attempting to speak for.

Ok… if you don't know this, you are ignorant. If you do, yet insist on such a silly point you are a pedant. take your pick.

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#61 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 09 2014, 02:18PM
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speeds wrote:

Again, they are trying to build a winner for 10-15 years, holding on to the pick is not an indefensible position.

There's nothing saying they can't make moves to improve the team while also retaining one of the most valuable pieces in the entire organization.

They also have the entire future's worth of picks they can deal.

Next year's 1st rounder is probably worth a lot too.

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
February 09 2014, 02:20PM
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Now that Ekblad is in the bag, can we focus on how to land McDavid now LT?

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#63 **
February 09 2014, 02:28PM
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Well MAc Tavish is all wet for Ekblad, so expect them to do everything they can to get him.

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#64 Maverick007
February 09 2014, 02:32PM
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DSF wrote:

Who knows about how solid Gillis' footing really is but I would imagine he'll get cut some slack because of all the injuries.

He actually has done some pretty good work in finding actual NHL players in unusual places.

He picked up Ryan Stanton on waivers and he's been really solid.

He also picked up Mike Santorelli on waivers and he was having a pretty nice season (49GP 10G 18A 28P +9) but he's out for the season.

Gillis also picked up Yannik Webber and Rafael Diaz for spare parts but his D have been dropping like flies.

All of Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Tanev, Stanton and Alberts have been injured since January so it's not surprising they've been losing but those injuries certainly don't explain why their goal scoring has dropped off the map.

Burrows, for example has ZERO goals in 28 games.

Daniel and Henrik were very good to start the season and then fell into an elevator shaft.

Some pundits think it's because Tortorella has played them too much and had them killing penalties and there may be something to that.

Among forwards in TOI/G, Kesler is 1st in the league and the Sedins rank 5th and 6th.

As for their prospects, their system looks quite a bit better than a couple of years ago with Bo Horvat, Hunter Shinkaruk (injured) Brendan Gaunce, Niklas Jensen and Frankie Corrado all playing either in junior or in the AHL.

And one move that may pay off is the signing of C Dane Fox.

He is an undrafted over ager who is tearing up the OHL (53GP 55G 35A 90P +36).

Interestingly enough, Fox plays on a line with Calgary Flames 6th round pick Connor Brown who leads the OHL in scoring with 107P.

Hard to read overagers...but that some serious offensive pop.

FYI, Connor Brown was drafted by Toronto not Calgary..

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#65 DSF
February 09 2014, 02:33PM
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Maverick007 wrote:

FYI, Connor Brown was drafted by Toronto not Calgary..

Mibad.

You're correct.

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#66 BC BOY
February 09 2014, 02:35PM
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Oilers have to look at whats harder to get a 2C or a first pairing D. IMO its a first pairing D. So if Ekblad is still on the board oilers have to take him. Then they can use what they have (loaded with D prospects and Ganger) to get a true 2C.

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#67 Quicksilver ballet
February 09 2014, 02:35PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The oil need ready to play nhlers. If MacT doesn't trade the pick he should be fired.

I'm another one of your biggest fans Gord.

Trading the pick isn't in our best interests. As much as this current state sucks, waiting patiently one lottery pick at a time is the only option available to this B market. It's rather obvious they still need to add even more blue chippers to the rather small pile of legitimate assets.

If the price of patience costs the Oilers Taylor Hall, then so be it... they'll still get value back if he wants out. This team really only has 6-8 assets of value.

The Oilers have tanked it for 4 yrs now and the seats are still full. This market will easily permit them a 5th if it's needed.

Patience young grasshopper. We can all still biotch and moan ever loss along the way. Nobody said this was going to be easy.

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#68 DSF
February 09 2014, 02:36PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Gillis is a really interesting GM. He's exceptional at finding bargain value. Really elite level.

But, a lot of picks higher up the chart blow up in his face.

His worst move might just be the coach shuffle. That team isn't built for Torts' style revolution. AV's hard zone push makes a lot more sense… and worked a lot better.

Burrows has a league worst PDO… luck couldn't have picked a nicer guy to eff with ;)

If anything takes Gillis down it will be all the no trade clauses he's handed out.

8 of them on an older team is just too many.

I agree on the coaching shuffle...I think AV needed to go because it appeared his message was stale but Torts style doesn't seem suited to the team.

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#69 BC BOY
February 09 2014, 02:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm another one of your biggest fans Gord.

Trading the pick isn't in our best interests. As much as this current state sucks, waiting patiently one lottery pick at a time is the only option available to this B market. It's rather obvious they still need to add even more blue chippers to the rather small pile of legitimate assets.

If the price of patience costs the Oilers Taylor Hall, then so be it... they'll still get value back if he wants out. This team really only has 6-8 assets of value.

The Oilers have tanked it for 4 yrs now and the seats are still full. This market will easily permit them a 5th if it's needed.

Patience young grasshopper. We can all still biotch and moan ever loss along the way. Nobody said this was going to be easy.

Hall is the last person I see requesting a trade. He knows he was the oilers first piece of the rebuild and has way too much self pride to pull the chute on the fans and organization that has stayed committed to him.

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#70 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 09 2014, 02:59PM
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DSF wrote:

If anything takes Gillis down it will be all the no trade clauses he's handed out.

8 of them on an older team is just too many.

I agree on the coaching shuffle...I think AV needed to go because it appeared his message was stale but Torts style doesn't seem suited to the team.

He's had some FA trouble.

The NMC/NTC hinder his movement, but for the most part that is all they do. Most players are happy to relent… it's really just about limiting your options, not closing them off.

I'd think buyers would show up for nearly all these guys: http://www.capgeek.com/canucks/

Burrows would be the hardest sell. But as I mentioned… worst PDO in the league. So, he'll probably rebound… having that cage off will help.

I think another coach would have been better than Torts, but the best option would have been to stick with AV IMO. I'm not really sure how much weight to put on "losing the room"… but I'd think it would have to be really bad to pull rank over results.

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#71 Maverick007
February 09 2014, 03:02PM
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BC BOY wrote:

Oilers have to look at whats harder to get a 2C or a first pairing D. IMO its a first pairing D. So if Ekblad is still on the board oilers have to take him. Then they can use what they have (loaded with D prospects and Ganger) to get a true 2C.

Ekblad is not ready to be a first pairing D, if at all. It would take him a few years to find out. Better we take a C because those impact faster. Look at Nathan MacKinnon or Sean Monahan. We just need a few decent stop-gaps on defense so that our good D prospects are ready.

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#72 forsoothed
February 09 2014, 03:07PM
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"Be bad for Ekblad"? Please.

"Breaking Ekblad" is obviously superior :)

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#73 BC BOY
February 09 2014, 03:19PM
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Maverick007 wrote:

Ekblad is not ready to be a first pairing D, if at all. It would take him a few years to find out. Better we take a C because those impact faster. Look at Nathan MacKinnon or Sean Monahan. We just need a few decent stop-gaps on defense so that our good D prospects are ready.

Yes true but how long before that centre turns into the one we need? You don't want to have a second line centre that you have to shelter especially when your first line centre is still figuring his game out. Thats already the same problem we have with gagner.

From what I've been reading lately Ekblad will be NHL ready next year. He is both extremely physically and mentally mature for a kid his age.

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#74 michael
February 09 2014, 04:49PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

The oil need ready to play nhlers. If MacT doesn't trade the pick he should be fired.

He should be fired if he does trade the pick. When do you expect the Oilers to get another Top 5 pick. Oh yeah. Next year and then every year after that because you believe that any player the Oilers pick is useless and will never be a NHL player.

The infibuild continues some build. Some would have you drinking the koolaid and believe that line of BS. The same people who think Klowe is a puppet master and that MacT is a puppet.

The Oilers have a huge opportunity to get a franchise centerto play behind RNH.Or a franchise defenceman to play beside NURSE or Klefbom.

Yup MacT should piss away that pick right now for Kyle Clifford or some other plug because they are already in the NHL.

Gregor has educated us about the percentages regarding draft picks making it to the NHL. The ones picked in the top 5 funnily are the most likely to be impact players.

Franchise players do not come along very often. You have to suck as badly as we do to attain one or more of them. As a fan I want success. Longterm. That means not pissing away a top 5 pick because the pundits want more grit and size in the lineup today so we can win for a year or two and satisfy their own visions of playoff glory. This franchise has been around since 1979 and will around a lot longer. We need to ensure the long term viability of this team.

My pick is Bennet because he brings a skill set that is different from RNH's. Drafting SR would give the team more of the same up the middle. Eckblad I would love to have but if I have my druthers I take the center over the defenceman.

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#75 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
February 09 2014, 04:57PM
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Not going to try and predict what the Oilers will do at the draft but they HAVE to be in the top 4 to get the D or C they so desperately need. So while I will not be cheering for them to lose games after the break....when they do lose I will not be complaining as much.

Please let them bring up 4 or 5 guys from OKC after the break.

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#76 flyin ryan
February 09 2014, 06:05PM
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** wrote:

Well MAc Tavish is all wet for Ekblad, so expect them to do everything they can to get him.

Good! He should! Quit over thinking this deal already...like what happened two year's ago with Yak & Murray. Looking back we need/wanted a big center or big D-man, we got a not so big winger, how in the *ell did that happen?!?! I don't hate Yak but he's not ALL that & a bag of chips, offensively talented, agreed, but far from even a semi-complete package, as we are finding out under Mr. Eakins. #27 is looking awfully good for the Jacket's right now, trending very nicely. If Buffalo & the Oilers finish as they currently sit, or even if they don't for that matter, if we don't end up with the first pick, probably won't, Mac T. should do whatever he must to get the team(s) ahead of us in the draft to lay off Eckblad. Focus on who we want/need & go after it, be bold. Look back a number of years at how Brian Burke landed the twins...didn't give up a lot in hindsight. Got a pair of pretty nice hockey players for a bunch of years. I'm not a Burke fan, but the guy has vision, give him that. For me, there is only one guy in this draft for the Oilers, Eckblad. Not arguing some nice players that'll have good careers, Reinhart/Bennett I like, but not for the Oilers in the here & now. I will say I don't hate the idea of draft a Reinhart & trade for the other one...but too much moon & stars having to align to pull that off. Better to go after who we need/want right at the hit! IMO...

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#77 THRNHJE
February 09 2014, 06:19PM
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Heres my 2 cents. The Oilers priority in this draft should be C over D because not only do we have a logjam of capable D in our future, but D are harder to predict. So Oilers go with options 1. Bennett 2. Reinhart. 3. Ekblad and if we dont pick in the top 3, if you can get value for the pick trade it, if not hopefully you can get value enough in trading down into the 8-10 range where you can safely draft Barbashev (not really sold on Draisatl (sp?)

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#78 THRNHJE
February 09 2014, 06:23PM
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Oh and if we get Sam and trade for Griffin, why not see how much it would take to get Max from the Lames? Lol maybe some brotherly competition is just what Max needs to take it to the next level.

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#79 Rick Stroppel
February 09 2014, 06:37PM
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Chainsawz wrote:

What are "lottery picks" anyway? I hear the term "lottery team" used by bloggers on this site and I'm not sure if they understand the changes to the draft lottery after the CBA was ratified. Every non-playoff team is a "lottery team" with a shot at first overall.

SERIOUS QUESTION, SERIOUS ANSWER

Google "NHL Draft Odds and History" and you will find an article that explains it quite nicely. EVERY team that misses the playoffs has a theoretical chance at first overall. Before 2013, a team could only move up a maximum of four spots, meaning only the bottom five teams had a chance at number one. Now, for instance, the team that finishes seventeenth overall, missing the playoffs by one place, has a 0.5 chance of picking first overall (one chance in 200).

So every team that misses the playoffs is a "lottery team".

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#80 gcw_rocks
February 09 2014, 07:09PM
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If Ekblad is of the board, I hope the go for Bennett. Seems a better fit for the roster.

I don't see how Griffin fits with the Oilers unless the plan is to trade Klefbom. The Oilers already have to many left defence prospects.

Now, if the deal was Yakupov and Klefbom for Hamonic and one of Grabner or Clutterbuck I could see the Oilers doing it.

Islanders defence takes a hit, but you give Tavares his Kurri.

Oilers get a probable top pairing defender to keep Petry on second pair and a lesser RW replacement for Yakupov or a RW to play with Gordon.

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#81 Zarny
February 09 2014, 07:43PM
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Plan A should be to trade the pick.

Not for Kyle Clifford or a package of players. That's silly. The goal is to trade the pick for what Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett will be in their prime.

Never assume. Seguin was traded last year. Phi might consider a package for Couturier and Simmons. I would sweet talk Bowman about a succession plan for Seabrook and Keith. I'd talk to Bos about Lucic. I'd make David Poile specifically say the words "I won't trade Shea Weber". I'd anonymously mail Bergevin a video compilation of Subban acting like a spoiled brat with a CGI'd grill of gold $$$. You only need one yes. A lottery pick is something every GM is interested in.

If MacT can't trade the pick Ekblad or Bennett make the most sense. A bookend for Nurse or a second 1C.

If the difference between prospects remains marginal trading down and getting Draisaitl or Dal Colle plus something useful might be the answer.

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#82 Zarny
February 09 2014, 07:51PM
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michael wrote:

He should be fired if he does trade the pick. When do you expect the Oilers to get another Top 5 pick. Oh yeah. Next year and then every year after that because you believe that any player the Oilers pick is useless and will never be a NHL player.

The infibuild continues some build. Some would have you drinking the koolaid and believe that line of BS. The same people who think Klowe is a puppet master and that MacT is a puppet.

The Oilers have a huge opportunity to get a franchise centerto play behind RNH.Or a franchise defenceman to play beside NURSE or Klefbom.

Yup MacT should piss away that pick right now for Kyle Clifford or some other plug because they are already in the NHL.

Gregor has educated us about the percentages regarding draft picks making it to the NHL. The ones picked in the top 5 funnily are the most likely to be impact players.

Franchise players do not come along very often. You have to suck as badly as we do to attain one or more of them. As a fan I want success. Longterm. That means not pissing away a top 5 pick because the pundits want more grit and size in the lineup today so we can win for a year or two and satisfy their own visions of playoff glory. This franchise has been around since 1979 and will around a lot longer. We need to ensure the long term viability of this team.

My pick is Bennet because he brings a skill set that is different from RNH's. Drafting SR would give the team more of the same up the middle. Eckblad I would love to have but if I have my druthers I take the center over the defenceman.

It's rather silly to think anyone would trade a top 3 pick for Kyle Clifford or to think that is who a team would offer.

Franchise or potential franchise players get traded. Not many and the price is steep. Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett get a lot of conversations started.

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#83 Serious Gord
February 09 2014, 07:54PM
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Again, they are trying to build a winner for 10-15 years, holding on to the pick is not an indefensible position.

There's nothing saying they can't make moves to improve the team while also retaining one of the most valuable pieces in the entire organization.

Taking the pick means that a full rebuild will be required before this team is top five in the league - two or three of the current stars will have to be dealt to make room before the prospects picked this coming year are ready.

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#84 Serious Gord
February 09 2014, 07:58PM
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He should be fired if he does trade the pick. When do you expect the Oilers to get another Top 5 pick. Oh yeah. Next year and then every year after that because you believe that any player the Oilers pick is useless and will never be a NHL player.

The infibuild continues some build. Some would have you drinking the koolaid and believe that line of BS. The same people who think Klowe is a puppet master and that MacT is a puppet.

The Oilers have a huge opportunity to get a franchise centerto play behind RNH.Or a franchise defenceman to play beside NURSE or Klefbom.

Yup MacT should piss away that pick right now for Kyle Clifford or some other plug because they are already in the NHL.

Gregor has educated us about the percentages regarding draft picks making it to the NHL. The ones picked in the top 5 funnily are the most likely to be impact players.

Franchise players do not come along very often. You have to suck as badly as we do to attain one or more of them. As a fan I want success. Longterm. That means not pissing away a top 5 pick because the pundits want more grit and size in the lineup today so we can win for a year or two and satisfy their own visions of playoff glory. This franchise has been around since 1979 and will around a lot longer. We need to ensure the long term viability of this team.

My pick is Bennet because he brings a skill set that is different from RNH's. Drafting SR would give the team more of the same up the middle. Eckblad I would love to have but if I have my druthers I take the center over the defenceman.

Trading a top five would bring back tremendous right now tangible talent - it is not like such trades are always losers.

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#85 Walter Sobchak
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Plan A should be to trade the pick.

Not for Kyle Clifford or a package of players. That's silly. The goal is to trade the pick for what Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett will be in their prime.

Never assume. Seguin was traded last year. Phi might consider a package for Couturier and Simmons. I would sweet talk Bowman about a succession plan for Seabrook and Keith. I'd talk to Bos about Lucic. I'd make David Poile specifically say the words "I won't trade Shea Weber". I'd anonymously mail Bergevin a video compilation of Subban acting like a spoiled brat with a CGI'd grill of gold $$$. You only need one yes. A lottery pick is something every GM is interested in.

If MacT can't trade the pick Ekblad or Bennett make the most sense. A bookend for Nurse or a second 1C.

If the difference between prospects remains marginal trading down and getting Draisaitl or Dal Colle plus something useful might be the answer.

Holy Jebus!! We finally agree on something!!

I particularly like the Couturier and Simmons package with a Colburn thrown in. Possible the 1st and….

If a great trade doesn’t present I’m with both DSF and Rom on this, I take the big center before I take a defensemen(Sam Bennett).

I’m really liking the 1st to Philly, both those players have length & term, this make’s a lot of sense.

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#86 madjam
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Lets see ? Ristolainen , Armia , Konopka and Miller for Brez , Gagner , Hemsky and our first .

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#87 Walter Sobchak
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Lets see ? Ristolainen , Armia , Konopka and Miller for Brez , Gagner , Hemsky and our first .

Step away from the bong.......

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There are a few things that come to mind with the draft coming up. First off the Oilers need to use this deadline in order to get back some picks in the upcoming draft. Also use it to plug a couple holes by getting a bigger player or two for the forward ranks.

Gagner and Hemsky are the two biggest names out there as trade bait. I never liked the Clifford package from LA one bit. I think if we were going to send Gagner there then Brown should be on the way back. Either way I'd love to see the Oilers trade away Gagner for a roster player. Preferably a big bruising forward ala Dustin Brown. If we can somehow swing a deal for a top 4 defenseman then even better but to deal Gagner right now would be better for the Oilers to get a big forward for the top six.

Hemsky as I have been saying all along gets you a higher draft pick. Some of the deals that come a long at the 11th hour are the ones that make the least sense. You'll have Hemsky available at the final hour and some GM of a contending team will need that extra scoring help for the stretch drive. So with all of that being said the Oilers need to come out of this deadline with 1 big bruising forward for the top six 1 prospect and a high draft pick. At the draft you dangle your top five pick to a team thats willing to part with a number 2 defenseman and you use the free agency to sign a couple of veterans. Makes the most sense to me.

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#89 tphillers
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Sat down this Sunday afternoon to take in the Frontenacs/Sting game in Kingston and got a bird's eye view of 5 players in the top 50 rankings: Bennett, D McKewon (KGN), F Goldobin (SRN), F Watson (KGN), and D DeAngelo (SRN).

It was McKewon and Bennett I was paying close attention to, for Oilers sake. And I was somewhat disappointed. I have yet to "see Bennett good" this year. Yesterday, his line was outplayed by the Goldobin line for stretches and Bennett looked overworked and tired. When he loses a battle he likes to lay on the ice, picking himself up slowly, and he is almost always the last man back into the defensive zone. Don't get me wrong, he has a gamebreaking skillset, and I admit that his job isn't on the defensive side of things but Sam Reinhart and Michael Dal Colle are more complete players at this point in time. Hands down.

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#90 HardBoiledOil
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with all due respect to those who want the 1st rounder traded for immediate help, the top 5 is just too deep to be trading it and the Oilers should just make the pick.

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#91 wintoon
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Many Oiler fans are getting impatient for improvement by the team. Many of the same fans are advocating for the Oilers to draft Ekblad yet it is a known fact that Dmen are less predictable and take longer to develop.

Given the foregoing, it makes good sense to draft a 2C rather than a D man. From my perspective Bennett appears to be a very good candidate. He can score, plays 200 feet and plays fairly tough from a physical perspective if you look at his PIMs.

If you look at Cup winning teams almost every one has had two very good Centres. Those teams that never get into contention for a cup lack this one two punch. I would prefer to see the Oilers draft a top 1C or 2C candidate this June.

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I would explore trading next years 1st round pick and a 4th or prospect to Calgary or Florida for this years first round, then grab 2 centres, and develope them in OKC next year, Sammy gets the 2014-15 season to redeem himself, perhaps as high quality trade bait or 3rd line C. Nurse is going to be our #1 D in 2 years and G will be taken care of via free agency.

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I would explore trading next years 1st round pick and a 4th or prospect to Calgary or Florida for this years first round, then grab 2 centres, and develope them in OKC next year, Sammy gets the 2014-15 season to redeem himself, perhaps as high quality trade bait or 3rd line C. Nurse is going to be our #1 D in 2 years and G will be taken care of via free agency.

ain't gonna happen! Flames and Panthers aren't going to wait 'till next year to make a pick when both are likely going to be in the deep top 5 picks this year. an extra 4th rounder isn't going to do it. ideally though, if it were to happen, the Oilers could end up with 2 of Ekblad, a top end d-man they need and either Bennett or Reinhart, top centers they need or Leon Draisaitl or Dal Colle, power forwards they need.

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#94 tileguy
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@HardBoiledOil

2015 is the Mcdavid draft year, an extra chance at drafting first overall via lottery might prove tempting.

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#95 HardBoiledOil
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^i see what you mean and it's tempting, but in the real world though, the Flames, Isles or Panthers won't do this. McDavid i can understand about wanting, but the team that did this would have a fan mutiny on it's hands. also, what happens if the Oilers pick next year is pick #12 or some such thing because they have figured out how to win more games? then you traded a high pick in 2014 for a mid round pick in 2015.

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I would explore trading next years 1st round pick and a 4th or prospect to Calgary or Florida for this years first round, then grab 2 centres, and develope them in OKC next year, Sammy gets the 2014-15 season to redeem himself, perhaps as high quality trade bait or 3rd line C. Nurse is going to be our #1 D in 2 years and G will be taken care of via free agency.

First, why would Calgary or Florida trades their 1st rounder and 4th or prospect this year for their 1st rounder next year? If the table is turned, would you make that trade?

Second, we cannot assign the players that are drafted this year to OKC. The earlier we may do it is 2015-15 depending on their birthday.

We already have RNH as our 1C and Gordon as our 3C, not sure why we want to draft 2 more centers with our top 5 picks. And why would we would we want to trade Gagner for yet another 3C?

Nurse is not going to be our #1D in 2 years, more like 3-5 years, and only if he pans out, which is too early to tell at this moment.

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#97 john
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Heres my 2 cents. The Oilers priority in this draft should be C over D because not only do we have a logjam of capable D in our future, but D are harder to predict. So Oilers go with options 1. Bennett 2. Reinhart. 3. Ekblad and if we dont pick in the top 3, if you can get value for the pick trade it, if not hopefully you can get value enough in trading down into the 8-10 range where you can safely draft Barbashev (not really sold on Draisatl (sp?)

The point of D being hard to predict is exactly why you do need a flood of players in positions that are absolutely vital for a team like the Oilers in order to move forward. You carry at least 3, maybe 4 or 5 guys that project to be top pairing defencemen in hopes that at least 1 or preferably 2 of those guys actually turn out. Maybe 1 or 2 of the other potential prospects don't quite cut it but turn into great 2nd pairing D men.

This idea of "overstocking" the cupboards in a particular position with high potential prospects is exactly how teams like Nashville, Anaheim,& L.A. keep pumping out high level goaltending & defense.

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TSN Power Ratings now rate Oilers at 26th and Flames dropping to 28th at Olympic break . If we finish in 26th or higher there may be a good chance our first round pick might be up for trade .

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#99 HardBoiledOil
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^looked at the standings the other day and we are within arms length of not just the Flames, but now the Panthers and Isles, so there's always a chance we could be drafting as low as 5th.

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Lowetide why is it that we ALWAYS hear that it takes 3-6yrs for a drafted defense men to become NHL quality and that forwards tend to be able to jump in and make an impact a lot more quickly? If so, why draft another D when we drafted Nurse last yr and have more than a few young D in the wings ready to make the jump such as; MM, Fedun, Klefbom & Gernat. I feel Edmonton would be much better off to draft a big physical C, such as Sam Bennett, he'd fill every criteria that Edmonton is looking for in the top 6, and, it is also much easier to allow other teams develop the young D-men and then trade for them when they are perhaps 6 months to a yr from making the jump, or from trading for an NHL quality D-man or to sign one as a FA? This is where the scouts would make their money, not in drafting within the top 5 year in and year out! You draft good young forwards near the top of the draft and d-men and goalies more towards the middle and bottom of the draft & keep your fingers crossed that you catch a flyer, a guy who'll end up playing in the NHL or even perhaps fill some gaps on the farm... Wouldn't have a big C looked better in an Oiler silk via Yak? Don't get me wrong, Yak will be a good player should he learn to play better defense, but I'd much have rather taken that Barkov kid that FLA took, or even Galyenchuk (you know who I mean) who MTL took, especially when our need was @ C, not on the wing...unless MacT can turn Yak over for a big skilled C? Just my thoughts on how the Oilers should approach the draft and coming FA frenzy..Peck

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