Edmonton Oilers recall Anton Lander, again

Jonathan Willis
March 12 2014 03:57PM

51-Lander-1

On Wednesday, the Edmonton Oilers announced that Anton Lander had been recalled from the minors on an emergency basis. It's the second time in four days the team has brought Lander up due to being down to less than 12 forwards.

As we found out last time this happened, the recall doesn't necessarily mean that Lander will get any NHL game action. The Oilers may have a player who is banged up but a gameday decision, but they can't wait until the actual day of the game to recall Lander because at that point it would be too late.

Sam Gagner

It's likely that Lander's up as insurance for Sam Gagner. He took a hit from Matt Cooke late in the Oilers' win over Minnesota, and didn't skate in practice on Wednesday; head coach Dallas Eakins said that he had "tweaked his ankle" and that they felt rest was what was best for Gagner. 

If Gagner can play, it seems probable that the Oilers would return Lander to the minors so as to avoid burning a recall. Edmonton only gets four post-deadline (non-emergency) recalls, and they've used two of them (on Philip Larsen and Oscar Klefbom). 

If Gagner can't play, though, this is a great chance to get a look at Lander in a role other than uber-conservative fourth liner. Gagner's been playing between Taylor Hall and David Perron, so it's possible that Lander would plug right into that slot. Alternatively, the top-six could be rejigged, which would leave Lander with two of Hall, Perron, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov. It's not likely that Boyd Gordon would get bumped out of third line duty, and it's virtually certain that Ryan Smyth won't move up. 

So it's an all or nothing situation. Either Gagner will be well enough to play and Lander will sit, or Lander will have a great chance between quality players to show that he should be in the Oilers' plans beyond this season. 

RECENTLY BY JONATHAN WILLIS

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#51 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 09:43AM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Cheers
24
cheers

Gagner makes more than: Legwand 4.5 Bozak 4.2 Vermette 3.75 Hanzal 3.1 Oshie 4.175 Backes 4.5 Dubinsky 4.2 Turris 3.5

Except for Giroux next season, Gagner will make more than every forward on the Flyers. That includes Harnell, Simmonds, Vorechek.

I'd take any of the guys I listed above over Gagner in a heart beat. Everyone of them is bigger, better all around game and produces as many if not more points than Gagner does.

These are only a few guys that I quickly came up with. Most are centers to be direct comparisons but there are many, many, many more in the league.

Avatar
#52 Reg Dunlop
March 13 2014, 09:44AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
26
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Hold on a second. Are you insinuating that after only 5 years of rebuilding the oil should be showing signs of improvement? Typical unrealistic fan expectations.

Did that sound sarcastic enough?

Avatar
#53 Vinotintazo
March 13 2014, 10:00AM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Well our rebuild started in 2010, so next year it is :)

Avatar
#54 Jay
March 13 2014, 10:00AM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
12
cheers
Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy! wrote:

Gagner never seems to get there for a guy who's always "on pace".

Time to part ways.

And sometimes, he looks like he doesn't even care to be there.

Avatar
#55 Spydyr
March 13 2014, 10:01AM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Cheers
14
cheers
Hopeless in Etown wrote:

Fine lets go with his last two seasons (which did not include the 8 point night). Thats 69 points in Gagner's last 101 games. That's a 56 point per 82 game pace including the 7 games after he came back from a broken jaw. Does that seem like cherry picking stats to you still. I am just asking that the return for Gagner in a trade is based on a young 50-60 point per year NHL player. Combinations of draft picks and 5-6 D-men don't cut it.

Now look at the his contract and beyond his offensive stats to the rest of his game.

He is no good at face offs,he is weak defensively,he has a weak shot,weak fore-check,does not win one on one battles, is not a good player without the puck.It goes on and on.

There are younger better players to fill a skill position on the top two lines.

It is time Sam went away.With his contract don't expect much back.

That is on "the braintrust".

Avatar
#56 Lochenzo
March 13 2014, 10:13AM
Trash it!
10
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers

@TKB2677

Don't expect any offence from Legwand or Vermette.

Bozak is only good when Kessel is having a good game.

Gagner is way ahead of Dubinsky and Turris in career points.

Hanzal I might go for because of his size, but he has yet to break the 20 goal plateau.

Avatar
#57 Zarny
March 13 2014, 10:35AM
Trash it!
9
trashes
Cheers
13
cheers
TKB2677 wrote:

Gagner makes more than: Legwand 4.5 Bozak 4.2 Vermette 3.75 Hanzal 3.1 Oshie 4.175 Backes 4.5 Dubinsky 4.2 Turris 3.5

Except for Giroux next season, Gagner will make more than every forward on the Flyers. That includes Harnell, Simmonds, Vorechek.

I'd take any of the guys I listed above over Gagner in a heart beat. Everyone of them is bigger, better all around game and produces as many if not more points than Gagner does.

These are only a few guys that I quickly came up with. Most are centers to be direct comparisons but there are many, many, many more in the league.

And in reality neither Bozak, Vermette or Turris are bigger than Gagner, none of them have particularly good all-around games and most years Gagner has outscored them. Turris is the only upgrade to Gagner.

Legwand would better compliment Nuge but he's also 33 y/o and in his 15th season.

Hanzal is certainly bigger than Gagner and much better than Gagner at face-offs. He's also never once in his career topped 40 pts...prior to this year 35 pts was the most he's ever put up.

Backes is exactly what the Oilers need.

Oshie is actually smaller than Gagner, worse at face-offs than Gagner and has the same defensive liabilities as Gagner.

Dubinsky would also better compliment Nuge but has been outscored by Gagner at least half the seasons he's played.

Avatar
#58 Zarny
March 13 2014, 10:46AM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Cheers
11
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

Avatar
#59 DrDave
March 13 2014, 11:06AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Zarny wrote:

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

Varlamov may be the surprise of this season...

Avatar
#60 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 11:53AM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

@Lochenzo

Really? Legwand and Vermette don't provide offense? Legwand has 2-20 goal season one was 27. He has 2- 50+ point seasons. One was 63pts. He's got 11 goals, 44 points right now. Over his career, he averages mid to teens in goals and mid 40's in pts. Hmmm Gagner has none of the above and averages pretty exactly that.

Vermette has 4 - 20 goal seasons. His career high was 27. He has 2 - 50+ points seasons one was 65. He currently has 22 goals and 41 points right now. Again, he seems to average around mid teens in goals, 40 points a year. Hmm, sounds a lot like Gagner and Gagner has none of the above numbers. Plus these guys have a pretty well rounded game.

Bozak has very similar numbers to Gagner and currently has 15 goals and 40 pts. Plus again is WAY better all around.

Who cares about Gagner's "career" points. Gagner has been in the league longer than Turris and Dubinsky only trails Gagner by 17 pts. The jury is still out on Turris as it took him a while to find his game but with 21 goals and 46 points, he's going to blow Gagner's career highs out of the water and at the same age is bigger and already has a better all around game.

Dubinsk has 2- 20+ goal seasons, over 50 pts and averages very close to Gagner year after year. Plus he is way bigger and has a far superior all around game. I'd take him over Gagner any day

Avatar
#61 Quicksilver ballet
March 13 2014, 11:56AM
Trash it!
23
trashes
Cheers
5
cheers

If Edmonton wins the lotto again. Do they take Reinhart, or Ekblad? Trash if you feel they should take Ekblad with the first.

Avatar
#62 HardBoiledOil
March 13 2014, 12:01PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
7
cheers

^i think that's a no brainer! Props if you agree.

Avatar
#63 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 12:02PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers

@Zarny

Vermette, Bozak and Turris aren't bigger? Gagner is 5'11 198. Vermette is 6'1, 200. Bozak is 6'1, 195, Turris is 6'1, 195. How are they not bigger? Vermette is 56.3% on the dot and only -6. Those are all better than Gagners in terms of all around game.

Turris is 50.3% on the dot and +16.

Bozak is 48.% and +6 when his linemate Kessel is -1.

So explain to me how Gagner's all around game is better when his numbers don't say that.

How much has Gagner actually outscored those guys? I just listed off seasons where these guys have scored more goals and more pts than Gagner's career highs and they all average very close to the same numbers as Gagner's mid teens and mid 40's numbers.

Gagner has 7 goals, 31 pts and is -19 right now. He's going to have to go on a hell of a hot streak to even tie is career low in his rookie season of 13 goals. He's going to be lucky to hit low 40's in points and is on pace to have his WORST +/- in his career. PLUS he makes WAY more money than those guys.

You seriously think he's better?

Avatar
#64 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 13 2014, 12:04PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If Edmonton wins the lotto again. Do they take Reinhart, or Ekblad? Trash if you feel they should take Ekblad with the first.

Reinhard shouldnt even be in the mix. We have 7 of him, already. We dont need to get smaller and more talanted. If its not Ekblad (which im praying it is), then its Bennett. Otherwise the pick should be packaged up and traded for immediate blue line help or top 6 winger with size and preferably one that shoots as everyone else on the team seems to prefer passing (other than Yak but he is a long way from helping in the top 6).

Avatar
#65 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 13 2014, 12:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
3
cheers

whoops, i should have stated that 2C is currently what we need the most, after 1D, 2D, 3D. Winger with size wouldnt hurt, though.

Avatar
#66 Quicksilver ballet
March 13 2014, 12:13PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
6
cheers
2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

whoops, i should have stated that 2C is currently what we need the most, after 1D, 2D, 3D. Winger with size wouldnt hurt, though.

Figure it's time to get someone in here to grab that first line center position. RNH has been slotted in there before he's earned it. He's starting in on a 6 mill per contract without having really even earned it yet.

Hopkins needs to be pushed now. He's no lock to be a number one center in my books. Maybe in 3 yrs he could be.

Ryans first 3 seasons can be summed up with, meh, from my vantage point.

Avatar
#67 HardBoiledOil
March 13 2014, 12:20PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

whoops, i should have stated that 2C is currently what we need the most, after 1D, 2D, 3D. Winger with size wouldnt hurt, though.

and all are available in the top 10 at this year's draft. too bad we couldn't weasel another top 10 pick, so after we pick either Ekblad or Draisaitl, we could pick a big tough winger with talent like Nick Ritchie or the 2nd best d-man in the draft Haydn Fleury.

Avatar
#68 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 13 2014, 12:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Figure it's time to get someone in here to grab that first line center position. RNH has been slotted in there before he's earned it. He's starting in on a 6 mill per contract without having really even earned it yet.

Hopkins needs to be pushed now. He's no lock to be a number one center in my books. Maybe in 3 yrs he could be.

Ryans first 3 seasons can be summed up with, meh, from my vantage point.

While i do agree, i just cant see how we would get a 1C back without RNH going the other way. And i also feel that a 2C is easier to come by and cheaper to get then a true 1C. Right now, we have a far more concerning problem on our back end that needs to be addressed so i just dont think we can get another 1C to push RNH.

He isnt worth $6M, and we all know that. Management always gives before they deserve in order to intice them to stay. And i understand why they did it (in this one case) as RNH appeared as a rookie, to be so above and beyond his age that this could have turned out to be a steal of a deal, contract wise. Unfortunately, it has not happened yet. YET. But i still feel it will and we will get great value out of him.

So, if there is a way we can bring in another center to compete against RNH for top line minutes, then go for it! But i just dont see how we can consider that a priority with all of the other holes in our lineup.

Avatar
#69 Oiler Al
March 13 2014, 12:26PM
Trash it!
8
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Zarny wrote:

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

Zarny, stop with the crap already, are you telling me that if the Oilers had Johnson, Hejda, and Varlamov, this year that they would be at the top of the league... not likely, give your head a shake. You are a spin doctor.

Avatar
#70 SuntanOil
March 13 2014, 12:33PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
10
cheers
TKB2677 wrote:

Gagner makes more than: Legwand 4.5 Bozak 4.2 Vermette 3.75 Hanzal 3.1 Oshie 4.175 Backes 4.5 Dubinsky 4.2 Turris 3.5

Except for Giroux next season, Gagner will make more than every forward on the Flyers. That includes Harnell, Simmonds, Vorechek.

I'd take any of the guys I listed above over Gagner in a heart beat. Everyone of them is bigger, better all around game and produces as many if not more points than Gagner does.

These are only a few guys that I quickly came up with. Most are centers to be direct comparisons but there are many, many, many more in the league.

I know I'll get a bunch of thumbs down on this but hate away, cause that's what haters do.

You complain about the dollar amount of the contract given Gagner this past off-season, and give us a list of players who produce as many if not more points than Gagner does. This is true if you only take this season - an injury riddled season thanks to an injury I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. However, do you know what every one of those players you listed also has in common?

Not ONE of those players were even close to n Sam's production last year.

You can't even blame the quality of linemates since at least a couple of the players you listed are first liners. If you want to blame the system then you also have to concede that maybe Sam's defensive game would be a bit better under a different system.

I get it that Gagner's defensive game sucks. If you had Kelly Buchberger coaching you your game would probably fall to pieces too. I get it that he is not 8' 9" tall and the second coming of Vlad the Impaler. Hate on him all you want, but stop making him out to be something he is not. When healthy he is a smallish but very productive second line center with poor defensive coverage. He is having a nightmare season, but is a much, much better player than you give him credit for.

Unfortunately haters like you historically don't realize these things until you have chased the player out of town.

What else is Gagner's fault? Global Warming? Tornados in Oklahoma? The crisis in the Ukraine? I am so sick of the nonconstructive whining. It is why I rarely come to this site anymore.

For my money I would take Backes or Hanzal in a flash over Gagner. The other ones have deficiencies of their own that would eventually lead to more hating, 'cause haters gotta hate.

Avatar
#71 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 01:15PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Zarny wrote:

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

You make a good point about Colorado finishing 29th just last year. I'm basing my argument in part on all the local prognosticators suggesting that the Oilers may work their way into a 16th to 20th place finish next year. That would still put us a long way back from being as competitive as the Avalanche, and most pundits are suggesting that is a best case scenario.

Although, as you correctly point out, it's possible that an incredible turn around can occur in just one short year, it's really hard to fathom when you look at just how bad the Oilers appear to be playing and just how good Colorado looks.

I don't think I glossed over Erik Johnson or even Jan Hejda. I listed Johnson as one of the young stars. Jan Hejda was added in 2011. My point is that 22 players on the roster including Johnson were added on or after 2009. So why in the same timeframe could the Oilers not have added and/or developed a top pairing D?

I am not aware of Varlamov ever being in the Vezina conversation, but I could be wrong about that.

I get your point about chicken littles and understand that things are seldom ever as good or as bad as they may appear. But I am one of those that think this team is on the wrong track. That adding good goaltending and a #1 Dman is not going to make us contenders. I don't think we'll contend for the cup for at least another 3 years and that would put us squarely three years behind the Avalanche who, while not favourites, are contenders this year. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that there is enough evidence to make it a reasonable assertion....and not just chicken little handwringing.

Avatar
#72 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 01:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If Edmonton wins the lotto again. Do they take Reinhart, or Ekblad? Trash if you feel they should take Ekblad with the first.

To answer the hypothetical question....Ekblad. If we are patient enough to wait three or four years we could end up with one of the better/best Defenses in the league.

But for me a more interesting question is if we are picking 5 or 6th (get bumped down to six by the lottery) and Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett and Draisaitl are gone, who do we take?

Keep in mind the hypothetical is that they are gone...so don't say Draisaitl slips to sixth. Also the hypothetical assumes the Oilers are picking and not moving the pick.

Zarny answered the question with some legitimate choices in a previous post pointing to Micheal Del Colle, Hayden Fluery, and Nick Ritchie. Anyone else in the mix for any of you?

Avatar
#73 Rod from Viking
March 13 2014, 01:33PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

I don't think anyone has ragged on Sam Gagner more than me the last 3 years and none of it had to do with the amount of points he was getting. My problem was his defensive play, face-offs and foot speed, he did stand up for himself and his team mates and seemed to really be liked by his team. Saying all that I must admit he has been playing a more complete game since the Olympics and instead of 5-6 bad decisions a game it seems to be down to 1 or 2, maybe he is getting it and that will only help this team by increasing his trade value or being a better player for this team going forward.

Avatar
#74 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 01:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Rod from Viking wrote:

I don't think anyone has ragged on Sam Gagner more than me the last 3 years and none of it had to do with the amount of points he was getting. My problem was his defensive play, face-offs and foot speed, he did stand up for himself and his team mates and seemed to really be liked by his team. Saying all that I must admit he has been playing a more complete game since the Olympics and instead of 5-6 bad decisions a game it seems to be down to 1 or 2, maybe he is getting it and that will only help this team by increasing his trade value or being a better player for this team going forward.

Hey Rod. The big issue with me is that the Oilers management appear to have failed on several fronts in incorrectly assessing the value of players and not moving them when they should have. Hind sight is 20/20 but Horcoff, Hemsky and Gagner all carry/carried contracts that made/make them harder to move. (Not saying this is exclusive to Oilers management, it happens all the time in many organizations)

But the part that troubles me the most is that, IMO, the Management has been unwilling to make the HARD decisions. The decisions that take courage and business acumen. The courage to move good players out in order to build a well rounded team. This leads to paranoia on my part that if Gagner's play improves, thus increasing his trade value, the brass will decide to keep him around even though he's not the right fit for this lineup.

I guess in the end all you can do is hope his play improves and hope they grow a pair and hope they move him as a result. That's a lot of hoping.

(Yes PRV and a 2nd for Perron took some nerve....but being a Perron fan from the time he entered the league, I give MacT kudos, but I didn't view the deal as requiring a great deal of courage to make)

Avatar
#75 Quicksilver ballet
March 13 2014, 02:02PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

To answer the hypothetical question....Ekblad. If we are patient enough to wait three or four years we could end up with one of the better/best Defenses in the league.

But for me a more interesting question is if we are picking 5 or 6th (get bumped down to six by the lottery) and Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett and Draisaitl are gone, who do we take?

Keep in mind the hypothetical is that they are gone...so don't say Draisaitl slips to sixth. Also the hypothetical assumes the Oilers are picking and not moving the pick.

Zarny answered the question with some legitimate choices in a previous post pointing to Micheal Del Colle, Hayden Fluery, and Nick Ritchie. Anyone else in the mix for any of you?

Easy call to be in the top 4-5. Only way you get Reinhart is with that first selection. Assuming the Oilers draft 1 or 3. If they're fortunate to be in that 1 spot, I take Reinhart and create some competition in the middle. If outside that spot, than Ekblad or Bennett has to be the goal. Go hard after Tyler Myers to help on the blueline if Ekblad isn't the reality come June..

Zarny mentioned something interesting. If the Oilers fall out of the top 5, would you offer that first and Yakupov for Tavares?

The Islanders were prepared to offer the BlueJackets all seven of their selections in the 2012 draft had the Oilers passed on Nail Yakupov, so there's definitely some Yak interest coming from Garth Snow.

Avatar
#76 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 02:16PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Easy call to be in the top 4-5. Only way you get Reinhart is with that first selection. Assuming the Oilers draft 1 or 3. If they're fortunate to be in that 1 spot, I take Reinhart and create some competition in the middle. If outside that spot, than Ekblad or Bennett has to be the goal. Go hard after Tyler Myers to help on the blueline if Ekblad isn't the reality come June..

Zarny mentioned something interesting. If the Oilers fall out of the top 5, would you offer that first and Yakupov for Tavares?

The Islanders were prepared to offer the BlueJackets all seven of their selections in the 2012 draft had the Oilers passed on Nail Yakupov, so there's definitely some Yak interest coming from Garth Snow.

Like you, I think the Oilers have a lot to gain by adding a top tier centre. It would probably help the team more over the next two years, for the reasons you say, and might carry less risk than choosing Ekblad.

So hard to call because I really don't know which of these guys is closer to a lock to be a top tier NHLer. Reinhart seems less risky because he's almost certainly going to eventually be a top line centre, meaning either he or Nuge would be 2C which seems like it has elite level tandem written all over it.

But if you're the patient type the idea of Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom, J Schultz, has just as much appeal.

In the final analysis I'd be happy with Reinhart/Ekblad, Bennett, Draisaitl...in that order....it's not getting one of these four that most concerns me.

Avatar
#77 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 02:18PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Yes, I would offer the 5th overall and Yak for 23 year old Tavares.

I'd be willing to add more if need be...(Gagner ...haha)

Avatar
#78 Rod from Viking
March 13 2014, 02:24PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hey Rod. The big issue with me is that the Oilers management appear to have failed on several fronts in incorrectly assessing the value of players and not moving them when they should have. Hind sight is 20/20 but Horcoff, Hemsky and Gagner all carry/carried contracts that made/make them harder to move. (Not saying this is exclusive to Oilers management, it happens all the time in many organizations)

But the part that troubles me the most is that, IMO, the Management has been unwilling to make the HARD decisions. The decisions that take courage and business acumen. The courage to move good players out in order to build a well rounded team. This leads to paranoia on my part that if Gagner's play improves, thus increasing his trade value, the brass will decide to keep him around even though he's not the right fit for this lineup.

I guess in the end all you can do is hope his play improves and hope they grow a pair and hope they move him as a result. That's a lot of hoping.

(Yes PRV and a 2nd for Perron took some nerve....but being a Perron fan from the time he entered the league, I give MacT kudos, but I didn't view the deal as requiring a great deal of courage to make)

You won't hear any disagreement from me, I think the Gagner contract was based on the person and how his teammates regard him instead of being the right 2nd line center going forward, we also have to remember Mac T was in a in a bad position because Tambo/Lowe had only signed him for one year and he had only one year left before he was a free agent, you would have thought he could have been signed for 2 years at $3.2m or at the most $3.5.

Avatar
#79 HardBoiledOil
March 13 2014, 02:28PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Yes, I would offer the 5th overall and Yak for 23 year old Tavares.

I'd be willing to add more if need be...(Gagner ...haha)

and the Isles would decline. but i think there are indeed some players on the Isles we could use, so i think there is a deal this off season to be had with them. also if Ekblad is gone if we pick 2 or 3 spots ahead of the Isles, there's the chance we could trade down with them.

Avatar
#80 Rod from Viking
March 13 2014, 02:29PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Easy call to be in the top 4-5. Only way you get Reinhart is with that first selection. Assuming the Oilers draft 1 or 3. If they're fortunate to be in that 1 spot, I take Reinhart and create some competition in the middle. If outside that spot, than Ekblad or Bennett has to be the goal. Go hard after Tyler Myers to help on the blueline if Ekblad isn't the reality come June..

Zarny mentioned something interesting. If the Oilers fall out of the top 5, would you offer that first and Yakupov for Tavares?

The Islanders were prepared to offer the BlueJackets all seven of their selections in the 2012 draft had the Oilers passed on Nail Yakupov, so there's definitely some Yak interest coming from Garth Snow.

I was wondering the same for Tavares but offering Yak this years #1 and one of AHL d-men not named Klesbom, I don't think Yak and this years would do it but who knows, it seems that this Wong doesn't usually get it right.

Avatar
#81 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 03:41PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

@SuntanOil

Gagner is in his 7th NHL season.

Answer this: How many 20 goal seasons has Gagner had? ZERO!!! His career high is 18 2 seasons ago. Not including this year, he's average 15 goals a season. Take a look, the stats don't lie.

How many 50 points seasons has Gagner had? ZERO!! His career high in his rookie year is 49 pts. Not including this year, he averages 43 points. Take a look, the stats don't lie.

How many times has Gagner been over 50% on the faceoff dot for a season? ZERO!! He's 45.9 this season. Over his career, he's 44.6

Looking at those stats that I listed and you can go look them up. www.nhl.com. Are those stats acceptable for you as the Oilers second line center? 15 goals, 43pts, 44.6% on the dot? Those are what he puts up year after year. He's in year 7. He's had an "injury" riddled season like you said so he won't even get close to those numbers this year. (by the way, he's played 53 games this year, only 6 less than Hall).

After 7 seasons in the league, realistically how much better can he get? Take your Gagner sweater off for a minute and think about that. HE'S IN SEASON #7!! Hall in 4 seasons, has gotten better and better. Nuge coming off major shoulder surgery at the beginning of the season in all likelihood will at least tie this rookie numbers and probably go past them.

Gagner in 7 seasons has yet to even tie his career highs and stays the same +/- a goal or 2 and a few points year after year.

I haven't even talked about his defense. Gregor and Brownlie were just talking about him and saying the same thing. How on earth can Gagner after 7 seasons still be this bad defensively, shouldn't he after 7 SEASONS improve? Or maybe, he's as good as he is going to get!! That's acceptable for you as a second line center? Then on top of it, you factor in he's 5"11 and 198lbs playing in a conference where most of the top teams have at least 1 center that's 6'2, 200lbs or bigger.

I'm not blaming Gagner, I'm not a hater I'm just stating the blatantly obvious stats. They don't lie. You can't have Nuge and Gagner as your #1 and #2 centers and expect to win. The stats don't lie. They have had these guys as their #1 and #2 centers for the last 3 seasons and been getting their ass kicked by the bigger teams. SO you have to pick one or the other.

Avatar
#82 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 13 2014, 04:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Tavares isnt going anywhere. If Tavares was in play during or before the draft, even a moron like Tambs would have easily traded for him.

Olympian vs a player that is barely 3rd line capable on the 30th place NHL team (based over the past 7 seasons)...

Id easily trade our 1st at the Draft + Yak + (name a player here not named Hall)

Yak + Eberle is also something i would strongly consider. Then id move gagner to the position he belongs - RW.

Avatar
#83 New Improved G bear
March 13 2014, 04:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
** wrote:

I would say if those guys are gone come the Oilers' turn, trade the pick. This year's draft class is relatively weak, I think the team can get better return trading the pick in a package than getting a so so prospect.

Easy.... If Ekblad is gone you pick Nick Ritchie from Peterborough......6'3" 235lbs 18 great skater, hitter,scorer, passer, outstanding fighter, leader......ETC......,,. A way better Zack Kassian/ Milan Lucic!!! Maybe you pick him 1st overall but you pick him before Brian Burke does..........!! Ritchie= REAL DEAL!!! Better than Doan!!!

Avatar
#84 New Improved G bear
March 13 2014, 04:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
** wrote:

why are you usurping my former self?. There is only one G bear, I'm coming for you boy

Easy.... If Ekblad is gone you pick Nick Ritchie from Peterborough......6'3" 235lbs 18 great skater, hitter,scorer, passer, outstanding fighter, leader......ETC......,,. A way better Zack Kassian/ Milan Lucic!!! Maybe you pick him 1st overall but you pick him before Brian Burke does..........!! Ritchie= REAL DEAL!!! Better than Doan!!!

Avatar
#85 Oiler Al
March 13 2014, 05:19PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
New Improved G bear wrote:

Easy.... If Ekblad is gone you pick Nick Ritchie from Peterborough......6'3" 235lbs 18 great skater, hitter,scorer, passer, outstanding fighter, leader......ETC......,,. A way better Zack Kassian/ Milan Lucic!!! Maybe you pick him 1st overall but you pick him before Brian Burke does..........!! Ritchie= REAL DEAL!!! Better than Doan!!!

Not good, if you are comparing him to Zack Kassian, then your playing low on the totem pole. We need a second line centre not a fourth liner, thats what Kassian is in the real world.

Comments are closed for this article.