Edmonton Oilers recall Anton Lander, again

Jonathan Willis
March 12 2014 03:57PM

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On Wednesday, the Edmonton Oilers announced that Anton Lander had been recalled from the minors on an emergency basis. It's the second time in four days the team has brought Lander up due to being down to less than 12 forwards.

As we found out last time this happened, the recall doesn't necessarily mean that Lander will get any NHL game action. The Oilers may have a player who is banged up but a gameday decision, but they can't wait until the actual day of the game to recall Lander because at that point it would be too late.

Sam Gagner

It's likely that Lander's up as insurance for Sam Gagner. He took a hit from Matt Cooke late in the Oilers' win over Minnesota, and didn't skate in practice on Wednesday; head coach Dallas Eakins said that he had "tweaked his ankle" and that they felt rest was what was best for Gagner. 

If Gagner can play, it seems probable that the Oilers would return Lander to the minors so as to avoid burning a recall. Edmonton only gets four post-deadline (non-emergency) recalls, and they've used two of them (on Philip Larsen and Oscar Klefbom). 

If Gagner can't play, though, this is a great chance to get a look at Lander in a role other than uber-conservative fourth liner. Gagner's been playing between Taylor Hall and David Perron, so it's possible that Lander would plug right into that slot. Alternatively, the top-six could be rejigged, which would leave Lander with two of Hall, Perron, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov. It's not likely that Boyd Gordon would get bumped out of third line duty, and it's virtually certain that Ryan Smyth won't move up. 

So it's an all or nothing situation. Either Gagner will be well enough to play and Lander will sit, or Lander will have a great chance between quality players to show that he should be in the Oilers' plans beyond this season. 

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#1 G bear
March 12 2014, 09:07PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

The second line spot is up for grabs.

Seize the moment Lander.

Lander= too SMALL! We have enough small players for the whole division on our team! Let's call up some size and Truculence- Pinnizotto? MacIntyre?

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#2 **
March 12 2014, 08:43PM
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~STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Lander has been recalled, AGAIN!!!!!~.

This article just found a new low on my give a $hito-meter.

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#3 Quicksilver ballet
March 13 2014, 11:56AM
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If Edmonton wins the lotto again. Do they take Reinhart, or Ekblad? Trash if you feel they should take Ekblad with the first.

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#4 **
March 12 2014, 04:13PM
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bwar wrote:

While he might not play, man is he racking up the frequent flier miles.

The Oilers are.

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#5 Dave
March 12 2014, 08:02PM
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I have a theory that Gagner's parents took away his soother too soon hence his constant sucking on his mouth guard.

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#6 RexHolez
March 12 2014, 11:15PM
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Oilers recall Lander?! Awesome!! This will solve 8 years of a failed rebuild with the same incompetent management group in charge!

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#7 New Season New Hope
March 12 2014, 06:53PM
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I see alot of posts to replace Gagner. However, if the Oilers trade him, they better get good value for him. I know his stats look quite bad on the year as a whole but if you break them down, its not nearly as bad as it seems overall. He has been returning to form recently.

First 7 games - 1 point and -10

Next 22 games - 12 points and -7

Last 24 games - 18 points and -2

Considering how bad the Oilers are, you don't want to trade a guy who can be on pace (based on his last 24 games) for 62 points in an 82 game schedule without getting good value. That is also about the pace he played at last year (38 pts in 48 games). If we keep trading actual NHL caliber players for spare parts (i.e. Horcoff for Larsen) and low draft picks (i.e. Hemsky), we will stay in the basement forever. Unless Lander can get similar points, we should not be getting rid of Gagner without getting either a top six forward or top 4 d-man. No combination of draft picks, bottom six forwards, or 5-6 d-men are going to be worth it. Especially if we see Gagner light it up on another team.

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#8 Smokey
March 12 2014, 05:58PM
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Should be Arco

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#9 John Chambers
March 12 2014, 04:18PM
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Gagner has been playing well and putting up points, and my hope is that he can continue to score and through to the end of the year so that he can return actual value in a trade.

By the same token I'd like to see Lander get some at-bats as a 2nd line C to see if he's capable of producing points while providing greater defensive accountability.

Lander to #2 C, while trading the pick and Gagner for a top pairing D - yes please!

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#10 RexHolez
March 12 2014, 11:45PM
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Let me guess.... This will be a chance to see what the oilers have and give management a chance to see what they need to improve upon in the offseason. At the same time it will give the young guys a taste of big game experience and allow them to recognize what aspects of their game they need to improve upon.... Heard this story 8 years running now....

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#11 RexHolez
March 13 2014, 12:00AM
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Oh wait, I'm missing somthing. This will also give the team a chance to learn the "ups and downs" of what it takes to compete in this league and provide them with learning experiences that they can draw upon once their fighting for the stanley cup year after year like we've all been told is an inevitable outcome of this grand rebuild we're all so privelaged to be witnessing. Cuz if their's 1 guy who knows about winning, it's the guy in charge of this master piece!!

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#12 Sevenseven
March 12 2014, 05:15PM
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I think if Gagner is good to go, play him. The oilers have more to gain by playing him on the top line and him performing well. His trade value should be much higher this summer than at the trade deadline. We can always look at Lander next camp, this is the last chance to showcase Gagner before his NMC kicks in. Good luck to both players, and please play well Gagner! You need a fresh start, and we need a differnt type of player.

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#13 Lochenzo
March 13 2014, 10:13AM
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@TKB2677

Don't expect any offence from Legwand or Vermette.

Bozak is only good when Kessel is having a good game.

Gagner is way ahead of Dubinsky and Turris in career points.

Hanzal I might go for because of his size, but he has yet to break the 20 goal plateau.

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#14 Quicksilver ballet
March 12 2014, 06:05PM
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Might be a player in there after all.

Here's hoping...

Paul, thought you were a card carrying member of the Ekblad or bust club. Resistance is futile remember.

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#15 Dave
March 12 2014, 09:10PM
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Dave wrote:

I have a theory that Gagner's parents took away his soother too soon hence his constant sucking on his mouth guard.

OK I am kidding but I do wonder if had a mouth guard that was somewhat fixed perhaps he would not have needed so much dental work when he got slugged by the high stick.

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#16 Zarny
March 13 2014, 10:35AM
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TKB2677 wrote:

Gagner makes more than: Legwand 4.5 Bozak 4.2 Vermette 3.75 Hanzal 3.1 Oshie 4.175 Backes 4.5 Dubinsky 4.2 Turris 3.5

Except for Giroux next season, Gagner will make more than every forward on the Flyers. That includes Harnell, Simmonds, Vorechek.

I'd take any of the guys I listed above over Gagner in a heart beat. Everyone of them is bigger, better all around game and produces as many if not more points than Gagner does.

These are only a few guys that I quickly came up with. Most are centers to be direct comparisons but there are many, many, many more in the league.

And in reality neither Bozak, Vermette or Turris are bigger than Gagner, none of them have particularly good all-around games and most years Gagner has outscored them. Turris is the only upgrade to Gagner.

Legwand would better compliment Nuge but he's also 33 y/o and in his 15th season.

Hanzal is certainly bigger than Gagner and much better than Gagner at face-offs. He's also never once in his career topped 40 pts...prior to this year 35 pts was the most he's ever put up.

Backes is exactly what the Oilers need.

Oshie is actually smaller than Gagner, worse at face-offs than Gagner and has the same defensive liabilities as Gagner.

Dubinsky would also better compliment Nuge but has been outscored by Gagner at least half the seasons he's played.

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#17 Andrew
March 13 2014, 01:32AM
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Do I smell smoke? Is that MacTavish fiddling over there in the corner office while the 2014 season is burnng?

He needs to get the plug out of his a** and get Arco, Pitlick and Lander PLAYING. Are these decisions part of Eakins insanity? Ryan Smyth might be here next season but he shouldn't be. How is it that one of the aforementioned can't replace Ryan Jones, Smyth or Joensuu? These guys are not now nor will ever be part of the future.

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#18 Spydyr
March 13 2014, 07:31AM
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New Season New Hope wrote:

I see alot of posts to replace Gagner. However, if the Oilers trade him, they better get good value for him. I know his stats look quite bad on the year as a whole but if you break them down, its not nearly as bad as it seems overall. He has been returning to form recently.

First 7 games - 1 point and -10

Next 22 games - 12 points and -7

Last 24 games - 18 points and -2

Considering how bad the Oilers are, you don't want to trade a guy who can be on pace (based on his last 24 games) for 62 points in an 82 game schedule without getting good value. That is also about the pace he played at last year (38 pts in 48 games). If we keep trading actual NHL caliber players for spare parts (i.e. Horcoff for Larsen) and low draft picks (i.e. Hemsky), we will stay in the basement forever. Unless Lander can get similar points, we should not be getting rid of Gagner without getting either a top six forward or top 4 d-man. No combination of draft picks, bottom six forwards, or 5-6 d-men are going to be worth it. Especially if we see Gagner light it up on another team.

OK I will bite. Gagner once scored 8 points in one game. You don't want to trade a guy who can be on pace (based on his one game)for 672 points. See, cherry picking stats is crap.

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#19 Oiler Al
March 13 2014, 12:26PM
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Zarny wrote:

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

Zarny, stop with the crap already, are you telling me that if the Oilers had Johnson, Hejda, and Varlamov, this year that they would be at the top of the league... not likely, give your head a shake. You are a spin doctor.

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#20 Oiler Al
March 12 2014, 09:19PM
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Lander is not the answer for Oilers Top 6. Maybe third line, but you have Gordon and Arcobello ahead of him for 3rd line duties.

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#21 TigerUnderGlass
March 13 2014, 09:15AM
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Spydyr wrote:

OK I will bite. Gagner once scored 8 points in one game. You don't want to trade a guy who can be on pace (based on his one game)for 672 points. See, cherry picking stats is crap.

You don't think it's fair to point out that he played pretty well last season and since returning from his injury this season has been gradually returning to that form?

A response like yours actually makes his position look better because it suggests you have no reasonable counter point.

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#22 pelhem grenville
March 12 2014, 04:33PM
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memo to mact

draft a centre at the draft

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#23 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 13 2014, 08:30AM
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New Season New Hope wrote:

I see alot of posts to replace Gagner. However, if the Oilers trade him, they better get good value for him. I know his stats look quite bad on the year as a whole but if you break them down, its not nearly as bad as it seems overall. He has been returning to form recently.

First 7 games - 1 point and -10

Next 22 games - 12 points and -7

Last 24 games - 18 points and -2

Considering how bad the Oilers are, you don't want to trade a guy who can be on pace (based on his last 24 games) for 62 points in an 82 game schedule without getting good value. That is also about the pace he played at last year (38 pts in 48 games). If we keep trading actual NHL caliber players for spare parts (i.e. Horcoff for Larsen) and low draft picks (i.e. Hemsky), we will stay in the basement forever. Unless Lander can get similar points, we should not be getting rid of Gagner without getting either a top six forward or top 4 d-man. No combination of draft picks, bottom six forwards, or 5-6 d-men are going to be worth it. Especially if we see Gagner light it up on another team.

Now lets look at his true value. We will put his salary beside his stats:

First 7 games - 1 point and -10 - $410,000

Next 22 games - 12 points and -7 - $1,290,000

Last 24 games - 18 points and -2 - $1,405,000

His contract is terrible and his point production (even if it goes back up to ~40-45 points a year, is still not good value. Id rather pay $1,200,000 more and get a 70pt player in Hall.

How gagner makes more then Perron is just an example of how our management is clueless.

Dont expect a thing in return for Gagner except a bad contract, or another 5/6/7 dman or bottom line/depth forward.

And im very fine with that. I might be the minority, but im also realistic when it comes to Gagner, and i would have EASILY taken the Clifford for Gagner straight up from LA (but i refuse to belive this was ever actually offered).

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#24 Zarny
March 13 2014, 10:46AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Colorado finished 29th last year. Which should be a lesson for all the chicken littles as to how fast it can turn around when you get a solid top pairing D and good G.

You can't really gloss over Erik Johnson on D. He was drafted 1st overall and is in his prime. He's also 6'4" 232 lbs and plays on the top pair with Hejda who is 6'4" 237 lbs.

No Vezina trophy candidates? Varlamov might be one this year. Not a coincidence Colorado has done much better because of it.

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#25 New Season New Hope
March 13 2014, 08:44AM
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@Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!

Gagner was second last year in points on the team - ahead of Eberle in the same number of games. Neither Perron nor RNH had as many points this year at 48 games as Gagner did last year. So are they just the next ones that never seem to get there or are the expectations on Gagner too high. He makes way less than RNH will next year. A 50-60 point per year guy is a pretty good 2nd line center on most teams. There are teams in the playoffs that don't have 2nd line centers who get that many points per year.

I am not saying that we should keep him, we have too many players of similar size on the team, but we need to get appropriate value for him. Either we get a D-man that is equivalent to a 50-60 point per year forward or a bigger forward that is at a minimum a 45 to 50 point per year guy. Other than that, we are getting rid of an asset without adequate return.

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#26 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 09:43AM
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Gagner makes more than: Legwand 4.5 Bozak 4.2 Vermette 3.75 Hanzal 3.1 Oshie 4.175 Backes 4.5 Dubinsky 4.2 Turris 3.5

Except for Giroux next season, Gagner will make more than every forward on the Flyers. That includes Harnell, Simmonds, Vorechek.

I'd take any of the guys I listed above over Gagner in a heart beat. Everyone of them is bigger, better all around game and produces as many if not more points than Gagner does.

These are only a few guys that I quickly came up with. Most are centers to be direct comparisons but there are many, many, many more in the league.

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#27 Vinotintazo
March 13 2014, 10:00AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Well our rebuild started in 2010, so next year it is :)

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#28 majin_oil
March 12 2014, 06:03PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

memo to mact

draft a centre at the draft

Anymore wins and we just might be. Whats interesting, is Draisaitl is having a killer 2nd half to his season and has now has more points than Reinhart(granted 4 more games in hands but he's been narrowing the gaps for weeks regardless). If we can't get Ekblad it has to be Draisaitl!!

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#29 bwar
March 12 2014, 06:45PM
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My guess is that this call up also pretty much guarantees that Arcobello won't be signing back on with the club this summer. I was really hoping that Gagner would be traded and that we would get to see both Lander and Arcobello getting a shot as the 2C to close out the season.

I think most people are over Gagner and feel its time to move on. I think we also want to know if we have a legit replacement in the system or if its an issue that need to be address via free agency/draft/trade.

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#30 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
March 12 2014, 08:09PM
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@New Season New Hope

Gagner never seems to get there for a guy who's always "on pace".

Time to part ways.

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#31 Mason Storm
March 12 2014, 09:17PM
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Dave wrote:

OK I am kidding but I do wonder if had a mouth guard that was somewhat fixed perhaps he would not have needed so much dental work when he got slugged by the high stick.

That high stick hit him so hard, I think if he had a full cage on it wouldn't have mattered

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#32 nuge2nail
March 12 2014, 09:57PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Should have been Arcobello.

The best thing MacT can do is draft a center, preferably Bennett who is the grittiest.

Next step would be to sign Statsny or Legwand.

We would finally have enough depth up the Middle to compete in our Division.

Statsny - Hopkins - Bennett - Gordon - Lander

Than trade Gagner for a #3-#4 Dman.

Finally Dump A Truck Load(30+ Million to be exact) on UFA Defenseman this offseason - preferably on 2-3 year deals.

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#33 TigerUnderGlass
March 13 2014, 09:25AM
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2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

Now lets look at his true value. We will put his salary beside his stats:

First 7 games - 1 point and -10 - $410,000

Next 22 games - 12 points and -7 - $1,290,000

Last 24 games - 18 points and -2 - $1,405,000

His contract is terrible and his point production (even if it goes back up to ~40-45 points a year, is still not good value. Id rather pay $1,200,000 more and get a 70pt player in Hall.

How gagner makes more then Perron is just an example of how our management is clueless.

Dont expect a thing in return for Gagner except a bad contract, or another 5/6/7 dman or bottom line/depth forward.

And im very fine with that. I might be the minority, but im also realistic when it comes to Gagner, and i would have EASILY taken the Clifford for Gagner straight up from LA (but i refuse to belive this was ever actually offered).

I love it when people seriously suggest that the team should have made a trade that could potentially have gone down as one of the worst in history.

Lets trade a real player for a guy with no room for improvement and has no value outside of GRRRRR.

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#34 Spydyr
March 13 2014, 10:01AM
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New Season New Hope wrote:

Fine lets go with his last two seasons (which did not include the 8 point night). Thats 69 points in Gagner's last 101 games. That's a 56 point per 82 game pace including the 7 games after he came back from a broken jaw. Does that seem like cherry picking stats to you still. I am just asking that the return for Gagner in a trade is based on a young 50-60 point per year NHL player. Combinations of draft picks and 5-6 D-men don't cut it.

Now look at the his contract and beyond his offensive stats to the rest of his game.

He is no good at face offs,he is weak defensively,he has a weak shot,weak fore-check,does not win one on one battles, is not a good player without the puck.It goes on and on.

There are younger better players to fill a skill position on the top two lines.

It is time Sam went away.With his contract don't expect much back.

That is on "the braintrust".

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#35 Will
March 12 2014, 04:17PM
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I hope they do give him a bump on the second line to see what he can do.

I also hope they sign a legit second line centre in the off season. Stasny, Legwand, all of the above.

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#36 Rama Lama
March 12 2014, 05:47PM
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Playing Lander on the fourth line and expecting him to turn heads is simply stupid.

Unless this guy gets a chance to play with a little skill expect nothing!

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#37 BLAKPOO
March 13 2014, 12:13AM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Lander is not the answer for Oilers Top 6. Maybe third line, but you have Gordon and Arcobello ahead of him for 3rd line duties.

Arcobello is ahead of nobody for no jobs on the Oilers.

Look at the size of the teams in our conference, now look at the size of our top 9.

No chance they slide a smurf that can't score goals into the mix. Good guy, decent compete, heart-warming story, whatever. He's small and he doesn't score and he's done here. Let it go.

Lander, if he performs well, provides a stop-gap at 2C that would allow MacT to move Gagner for assets we actually need, namely defence. Lander's really going to have to impress if he hopes to figure into any kind of long term plan though.

Ultimately, I doubt Lander, Arco or Gagner are around for training camp next year. Say what you want about MacT, but one thing he is not is idle.

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#38 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 09:15AM
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I'm looking forward to the day when Gagner is traded and we can once and for all call him EX. OILER SAM GAGNER.

To me Gagner is the poster boy for what is wrong with the mix in the Oilers top 6 and what is wrong with the Oilers "core" of young players.

Problem #1: He's too small especially given the size of the more talented wingers.

Problem #2: He's completely 1 dimensional. That dimension is an inconsistent offensive player. That one dimension isn't elite, it's good but only when he is playing well. When he isn't playing well, his one dimension is completely invisible and he actually hurts your team. He probably only plays well half the year at best. Case in point. For a guy who's only dimension is offense, when you are playing in your 7th NHL season and your best goal total is 18 and your best point total is 49 pts, there's a problem.

Problem #3. He can't play defense what so ever and seems to be unwilling to learn how. When you are in your 7th NHL season, playing primarily offensive minutes, not getting difficult own zone starts, you can't be -19. I'm sorry, that's totally unacceptable. He's second worst on the team to a freaking 19 yr old. I know the Oilers defense sucks and their goaltending for more than half the year sucked and Gagner is still technically young but a 7 yr vet has to be better and has to better example for the younger players. Especially when you aren't used in tough defensive situations. How can you expect the other kids to buy in when their buddy and 7 yr vet Gagner doesn't.

Problem #4: He still sucks at faceoffs. He's 7 yrs in and he's this season 45.9%. Now that's a little better than last year but that's not saying much given he was 43.9 last year. It's has to be better especially 7 yrs in. It again comes back to the dimension thing. If your one dimension that you bring isn't elite, then you have to do something else or LEARN how to do something else.

Problem #5: Gagner makes to much money for what he brings to the team. Part of the problem for the Oilers is Gagner's age. If Gagner was in his 30's then you know exactly what you have with him and he probably makes a little less given his production and the holes in his game. But Gagner is still technically young so the Oilers had to pay him a little more for the "potential" that he will get better. I think on the Oilers, Gagner is about as good as he is going to get. ON the Oilers in a "good year" he will top out at high teens in goals and 50ish points, being a high negative +/- and a 45% faceoff guy. On a different team with a different mix of players, he might add to those totals getting over 20 goals and 60ish pts but he will NEVER do it on the Oilers. On the Oilers, based on what he brings and his production. He makes about 1 mill per year too much. He's making 4.8 this season.

Good example. Grabovski took a while to sign. Signed a 1 yr with the Caps. Grabovski is a 30yr old center. He's 5'11, 185lbs. He has 12 goals, 33 pts, +4 and is 54.1% on the dot. He makes 3 mill. When his contract is up, I doubt he gets a almost 1.8 mill raise per year to match Gagner's contract. You telling me that Gagner is worth 1.8 mill more than Grabovski? HOW?

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#39 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 13 2014, 09:15AM
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Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

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#40 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 11:53AM
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@Lochenzo

Really? Legwand and Vermette don't provide offense? Legwand has 2-20 goal season one was 27. He has 2- 50+ point seasons. One was 63pts. He's got 11 goals, 44 points right now. Over his career, he averages mid to teens in goals and mid 40's in pts. Hmmm Gagner has none of the above and averages pretty exactly that.

Vermette has 4 - 20 goal seasons. His career high was 27. He has 2 - 50+ points seasons one was 65. He currently has 22 goals and 41 points right now. Again, he seems to average around mid teens in goals, 40 points a year. Hmm, sounds a lot like Gagner and Gagner has none of the above numbers. Plus these guys have a pretty well rounded game.

Bozak has very similar numbers to Gagner and currently has 15 goals and 40 pts. Plus again is WAY better all around.

Who cares about Gagner's "career" points. Gagner has been in the league longer than Turris and Dubinsky only trails Gagner by 17 pts. The jury is still out on Turris as it took him a while to find his game but with 21 goals and 46 points, he's going to blow Gagner's career highs out of the water and at the same age is bigger and already has a better all around game.

Dubinsk has 2- 20+ goal seasons, over 50 pts and averages very close to Gagner year after year. Plus he is way bigger and has a far superior all around game. I'd take him over Gagner any day

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#41 TKB2677
March 13 2014, 12:02PM
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Vermette, Bozak and Turris aren't bigger? Gagner is 5'11 198. Vermette is 6'1, 200. Bozak is 6'1, 195, Turris is 6'1, 195. How are they not bigger? Vermette is 56.3% on the dot and only -6. Those are all better than Gagners in terms of all around game.

Turris is 50.3% on the dot and +16.

Bozak is 48.% and +6 when his linemate Kessel is -1.

So explain to me how Gagner's all around game is better when his numbers don't say that.

How much has Gagner actually outscored those guys? I just listed off seasons where these guys have scored more goals and more pts than Gagner's career highs and they all average very close to the same numbers as Gagner's mid teens and mid 40's numbers.

Gagner has 7 goals, 31 pts and is -19 right now. He's going to have to go on a hell of a hot streak to even tie is career low in his rookie season of 13 goals. He's going to be lucky to hit low 40's in points and is on pace to have his WORST +/- in his career. PLUS he makes WAY more money than those guys.

You seriously think he's better?

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#42 Taylor Gang
March 12 2014, 04:08PM
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The second line spot is up for grabs.

Seize the moment Lander.

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#43 bwar
March 12 2014, 04:08PM
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While he might not play, man is he racking up the frequent flier miles.

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#44 Shredder
March 12 2014, 04:24PM
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I really hope Lander can develop into that 2 way centre that we've been hoping for since 2009. I truly believe he can be that guy, and ultimately replace Gagner. I'd rather have 2 2way wingers ala Gordon than 2 scoring forwards. As I said in the last post, goaltending is our strongest position, let's build from the net out as we should, which means 2way centres...Nuge can create offense along with his 2way play, and he's only 20. Perfect #1C, and I HOPE Lander can push it for 2nd line C.

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#45 **
March 12 2014, 10:37PM
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G bear wrote:

Lander= too SMALL! We have enough small players for the whole division on our team! Let's call up some size and Truculence- Pinnizotto? MacIntyre?

why are you usurping my former self?. There is only one G bear, I'm coming for you boy

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#46 bazmagoo
March 12 2014, 10:45PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Doubtful, only team I can see us passing is Florida. 940% save percentages don't last forever my friend.

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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

With our improved goaltending there's a pretty good chance well be drafting 5th or 6th ....if Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett and Draisaitl are gone....who do you pick?......

I would say if those guys are gone come the Oilers' turn, trade the pick. This year's draft class is relatively weak, I think the team can get better return trading the pick in a package than getting a so so prospect.

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#48 New Season New Hope
March 13 2014, 08:56AM
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@Spydyr

Fine lets go with his last two seasons (which did not include the 8 point night). Thats 69 points in Gagner's last 101 games. That's a 56 point per 82 game pace including the 7 games after he came back from a broken jaw. Does that seem like cherry picking stats to you still. I am just asking that the return for Gagner in a trade is based on a young 50-60 point per year NHL player. Combinations of draft picks and 5-6 D-men don't cut it.

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#49 Reg Dunlop
March 13 2014, 09:44AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Enough of the talk about the Oilers "Kids" needing more time to mature. or our rebuild being on track.

The Colorado Avalanche Young stars are 18, 21, 23, 23 and 25.

The Avalanche rebuild started in 2009. Twenty Two players on the roster were added on or after 2009.

They do not have ANY Norris Trophy or Vezina Trophy candidates.They do not have a coach with NHL experience.

Matt Duchene C 23 2009, Erik Johnson D 25 2011, Gabriel Landeskog 21 2011, Nathan MacKinnon 18 2013, Ryan O'Reilly 23 2009

The Oilers drafted wrong, recruited wrong, are coached wrong, are managed wrong......what other explanation could there be that Colorado has become an Elite Team in second place in the Western Conference standings while the Oilers are dead last and playing like a perenial lottery pick team?

Hold on a second. Are you insinuating that after only 5 years of rebuilding the oil should be showing signs of improvement? Typical unrealistic fan expectations.

Did that sound sarcastic enough?

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#50 HardBoiledOil
March 13 2014, 12:01PM
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^i think that's a no brainer! Props if you agree.

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