Marking Time

Jonathan Willis
March 12 2014 10:21AM

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Mark Arcobello is set to become an unrestricted free agent at season’s end, and if I were him I’d look hard at moving on to another NHL organization. If I were the general manager of the Edmonton Oilers, on the other hand, I’d put some effort into keeping him, but it isn’t clear that will happen here.

As It Stands

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It’s probable that Arcobello has played his last game in an Oilers’ jersey this season and, given his contract status, possibly ever.

For one, the Oklahoma City Barons need him. OKC is (somehow) in the thick of a run for a post-season berth (the team won again last night, giving them six wins and a shootout loss in their last seven). Arcobello has been dynamite for the team, scoring two points per game, and there’s no question that he’s the top pure offensive player in Oklahoma City. That works against him getting a call-up.

Further working against Arcobello is that the organization has a desire to give Anton Lander a chance in offensive minutes. Lander’s been excellent all season for Oklahoma City but especially of late (he has 20 points in his last 15 games). He’s younger than Arcobello, bigger than Arcobello, and more of an unknown at the NHL level than Arcobello. If a centre goes down and a spot opens up on the big team, Lander’s the guy who will be given a shot.

Finally, the coach has shown his view of the player. Arcobello’s versatility – he wins draws, he hits, he kills penalties, he plays both centre and right wing – put him in the mix for a depth job in the NHL, along with a bunch of other players. Dallas Eakins has chosen to employ people like Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones in the available jobs at right wing, opting for size over skill.

Arcobello’s Choice

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This summer, Arcobello has the option to try and hang around with the Oilers (they’d almost certainly keep him on a two-way deal) or try his luck elsewhere. Elsewhere’s probably the right move (especially if current coach Todd Nelson gets picked for a major league job in another city, an entirely plausible eventuality).

Arcobello earned a job on this year’s Oilers team on merit. He got a chance thanks to injury, has outplayed Sam Gagner all season and showed so much in other roles that there isn’t much doubt he’s one of the top-12 players on the team. He doesn’t have a job because it’s hard for a team to bump a sixth overall pick in favour of an undrafted 25-year-old, and because the team would rather have a 6’4” behemoth like Joensuu than a 5’9” guy who can do a little bit of everything. Both reasons are understandable for a team perspective, but it does indicate the difficulty of Arcobello’s position.

The story might be different elsewhere. A team with size up front might be more willing to look at Arcobello – Los Angeles, for example. A team with serious cap concerns might even be open to bringing on a cheap forward and giving him a shot in the top-six. Given the choice between trying to win a job (again) on a team that has made it clear it doesn’t see him as a fit and trying elsewhere, elsewhere seems the logical choice.

MacTavish’s Choice

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The Oilers are in a difficult position this summer, and there are a lot of moving parts. Gagner seems likely to move on over the offseason, and his replacement seems uncertain. Is it crazy to bring up both Lander and Arcobello and hope that one of them can fill the role? It’s not something a contending team would do, or even a team certain of its playoff hopes, but with help needed in so many places it’s at least plausible.

More likely, though, the Oilers make a move to add some size up the middle – a team like Columbus seems a logical trading partner in that regard – and that opening vanishes.

For the Oilers, Arcobello is a nice option because he does a lot of different things. If the club employs 14 forwards next year, having Arcobello as one of the spares would be a good fit because he can plug in anywhere in the lineup and at some point an extra centre is going to be needed or the top-six is going to need help.

There’s downside, too, however. Clearly, the Oilers want more size in the top-six, and just as clearly they aren’t interested in small players in the bottom-six. Arcobello’s a better centre than Ryan Smyth, but the coaching staff opted to move Smyth to the pivot position on line four and send Arcobello back to the minors rather than leave both in their natural positions.

That’s why Arcobello’s probably just marking time in Oklahoma. His best shot at an NHL employment likely lies in another city. The Oilers kept putting him in a position to fail and he kept not failing, but eventually it became clear that it didn’t matter: the team wasn’t going to look past the combination of size, pedigree and immediate need.

Good players sometimes get lost in bad teams, and Arcobello shows all the signs. He may or may not turn out, but he will be a nice cheap bet for some smart team out there.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Oil Fan in Flames Town
March 12 2014, 01:07PM
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This story is kind of a downer. The idea that Arco AND Nelson might move on due to a lack of opportunity is frustrating. Merit seems to be another meaningless word for this organization, much like accountability.

At the same time though Mac T does seem to have some kind of vision for the team he wants to build, which is something I guess. Hemsky hurt. Past that I'm prepared to watch any and all of these players leave in the hopes that Mac T's vision is a winning one. If Arco isn't in the plan there's nothing you can do but wish him all the luck in the world wherever he ends up. He deserves an honest shot somewhere.

I hate hating this team as much as I do so here's hoping Mac T knows what he's doing and Arco won't just be another bullet point in a long list of organizational failures!

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#52 Fish
March 12 2014, 01:14PM
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Successful organizations find a place for people like Arco. One thing that all good teams need is a man playing deep in the roster who is a jack of all trades, and has the ABILITY TO PLAY HIGHER in the line up when injury strikes the top 6. That is what they have here, and he's proved it. Not only did he put up points, he won draws and wasn't bleeding scoring chances as a rookie. Letting him walk is a terrible idea. He plays bigger than he is and can play C/RW on pretty much any line, while getting special teams duty on top of a regular shift. I also love the fact that he lead the team in hits while he was regular. LEAD the TEAM in HITS at 5'9. If i'm the coach he's on my roster just so I can point that out to everyone in the room and asking them to look in the mirror, step up and ask if he can do it, why can't you. To me a 4th line of Smyth, Lander, and Arcobello would be worth a look. Could they out play our current 4th line? Absolutely. Are they cheap? Yes. Can Gazdic be our 13F? Yes he can. And I do like Gazdic, yes, but he will never be a part of a line that produces as well as those three would.

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#53 Cogs
March 12 2014, 01:16PM
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Does anyone remember Cogliano? JW? We don't need him, he's small and fast.

Well, the Ducks, a legit team, decided they did, and look at the good player he has become.

This will happen with Arco too I presuppose. Who needs value contracts?

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#54 Spoils
March 12 2014, 01:28PM
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"If the club employs 14 forwards next year, having Arcobello as one of the spares would be a good fit because he can plug in anywhere in the lineup and at some point an extra centre is going to be needed or the top-six is going to need help."

This is pretty compelling to me. Injuries are inevitable in the NHL, let alone our smaller, younger guys...

plus he is smart, which is a pretty great intangible.

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#55 CaptainLander
March 12 2014, 01:29PM
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Cogs wrote:

Does anyone remember Cogliano? JW? We don't need him, he's small and fast.

Well, the Ducks, a legit team, decided they did, and look at the good player he has become.

This will happen with Arco too I presuppose. Who needs value contracts?

The Ducks don't just have a bunch of small and fast players. The point is not whether Arco is good enough to be on the Oil, is he a better option the RNH, Hall, Ebs, Yak, Perron? An argument can certainly be made for Gags but the realty is they are all they same type of player and that is the problem in Edmonton. How would adding Cogs make this team better? It wouldn't, and nor does Arco. Cogs works because the Ducks do not have a ton of small players.

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#56 bazmagoo
March 12 2014, 01:40PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Hi Jonathan, if that's the case why does CapGeek have him listed as an RFA?

I think I would be absolutely livid if the Oilers let this guy go for nothing, complete waste of another asset. You mentioned signing him and Ladner to small one way deals in a previous article - I'd be all over that. Two years at the maximum salary amount that can be buried in the minors without affecting cap space. I believe that would be $925,000 per season. Considering we are wasting $4.8 million on Gagner that looks like a deal to me. Gordon should be our 4th line center, so they could both compete for 3rd line minutes.

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#57 oilerjed
March 12 2014, 01:45PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

The Ducks don't just have a bunch of small and fast players. The point is not whether Arco is good enough to be on the Oil, is he a better option the RNH, Hall, Ebs, Yak, Perron? An argument can certainly be made for Gags but the realty is they are all they same type of player and that is the problem in Edmonton. How would adding Cogs make this team better? It wouldn't, and nor does Arco. Cogs works because the Ducks do not have a ton of small players.

I agree and disagree with this comment. YOu are right we need to move some lack of size off the team BUT... Removing those off the team that are not meeting expectations would be a far wiser choice. Gags has got to go whcih hurts me to say as I have been pulling for him. Its eiother him or RNH and we all know that is not happening. He is not a better option then Perron or hall though and Im not sure he can do what Ebs can do playmaking wise. And cutting Yak loose this early would be a bigger mistake then losing Acro. Though this only matters if MacT doesnt go out and find a big nasty center for next year, otherwise I feel like Acro is a better fit then Gags or Lander. My choice is still to go get a true #1C which RNH is not and may not be for 2-3 more years.

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#58 hockeycrazed
March 12 2014, 01:46PM
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It's a sin to even contemplate to dispose of blue collar players like Arcobello, and Fedun is not far behind him! Both deserve the chance to be playing in the NHL, yet both being buried in the minors, discarded like a useless rag! It's inconceivable to wish them luck catching on with another team, yet, that is the ugly truth! Here we are yearning to have 'good D', yet, Fedun is playing for OKC! We needed forwards that plays like Kenny Linsman, and lo and behold, Arco is also playing for the Barons, and likely be gone next year.... If that's not mismanagement, I don't know what is??!!

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#59 Mike Krushelnyski
March 12 2014, 01:47PM
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I don't see why we can't move Gagner out for a 2C with size, bump Gordon down to 4C and let Arco and Lander battle it out for the 3C spot.

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#60 Oiler63
March 12 2014, 01:48PM
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Led all rookies in assists when he played; win draws; kill penalties; plays bigger than his size and always finish checks... what more could this kid have done?

Playing time should be determined by performance, not cap hit. Thought that's in NHL Managing 101...

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#61 Taylor Gang
March 12 2014, 01:53PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

I don't see why we can't move Gagner out for a 2C with size, bump Gordon down to 4C and let Arco and Lander battle it out for the 3C spot.

Gagner's stock is at an all time low, but if he keeps improving his play, he may see some good offers.

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#62 CaptainLander
March 12 2014, 02:00PM
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oilerjed wrote:

I agree and disagree with this comment. YOu are right we need to move some lack of size off the team BUT... Removing those off the team that are not meeting expectations would be a far wiser choice. Gags has got to go whcih hurts me to say as I have been pulling for him. Its eiother him or RNH and we all know that is not happening. He is not a better option then Perron or hall though and Im not sure he can do what Ebs can do playmaking wise. And cutting Yak loose this early would be a bigger mistake then losing Acro. Though this only matters if MacT doesnt go out and find a big nasty center for next year, otherwise I feel like Acro is a better fit then Gags or Lander. My choice is still to go get a true #1C which RNH is not and may not be for 2-3 more years.

Still removing Gags and replacing him with someone like Arco does not make the Oilers better as it does not change the dynamic of the top 6. Arco showed that he is a good player and has proved he can compete and perforn at this level and if he finds a position on a team like Cogs has I believe he will find success. In fact I think if Gags is moved to a team that can surround him with a different type of player the is currently on the Oilers roster that he to would find more success. As for the Oil more Arcos, Gags, Cogs type players will do nothing to improve this team.

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#63 Total Points
March 12 2014, 02:00PM
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I got sick reading this article.

Arco should have played in Gagner's spot all season and now he will be lost and Gagner will stay because he is MacT' s pet. or MacT will finally swallow his pride and trade Gagner for nothing or buy him out and we wont have Arco.

These guys don't know what they are doing. Sick sick situation

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#64 bazmagoo
March 12 2014, 02:01PM
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@Mike Krushelnyski

Absolutely agree. Throw big money at either Statsny or Legwand, have Arco and Ladner battle it out for 3rd line minutes (one sitting in the press box), keep Gordon on the 4th line and for important faceoffs.

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#65 Tikkanese
March 12 2014, 02:03PM
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I like Arcobello but he is just more of the same.

Playing him now just makes the lineup even smaller. Trading Gagner or Ebs or Yak and replacing them with Arcobello makes us even smaller still. Arco is not the big two-way 2C everyone says we need. He isn't a 4C for that matter either. Arco doesn't really address any of the Oilers' needs except arguably 'compete level'. We already have lots of cap room so that argument is almost moot as well.

Oilers need to get bigger, meaner and buy into whatever system is put forth. Not smaller, slower and slightly less offense just because he is cheaper. It's a lateral move, won't really fix anything.

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#66 bazmagoo
March 12 2014, 02:10PM
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@Tikkanese

"Arguably compete level?" I agree Arcobello is not the answer, but would you agree that he is at least as good as Gagner? If we can trade Gagner for an asset, and have a replacement ready in Arcobello/Ladner it would seem pretty foolish not to follow that course of action.

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#67 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 12 2014, 02:16PM
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Can we PLEASE stop with the Legwand crap?! HOW EXACTLY IS HE PHYSICAL??? We need a 2nd line center with size and one that actually has his balls still attached. LEGWAND IS NOT THE ANSWER. Statsny is a much better option, if the money was reasonable. But he still isnt the answer. Free agent signing is not going to happen as there is a large demand for 2C, so why choose Edmonton?

A trade is more likely and Coutourier in Philly would be one. Huberdeau in Florida is another. These are trades that we can trade quality for quality as they just havent hit full stride where they are and might need a change of scenery. Although the poor bastard whos scenery changes to the 7-8-0 is not likely to improve.

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#68 **
March 12 2014, 02:19PM
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No playoffs for at least one more season.

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#72 oilfanincalgary
March 12 2014, 02:40PM
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Trade Dallas Eakins for John Tortorella.

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#73 Tikkanese
March 12 2014, 02:41PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

"Arguably compete level?" I agree Arcobello is not the answer, but would you agree that he is at least as good as Gagner? If we can trade Gagner for an asset, and have a replacement ready in Arcobello/Ladner it would seem pretty foolish not to follow that course of action.

He's at least as good as this year's version of Gagner, but a pale comparison to the real Gagner. The real Gagner granted is not a defensive guru but no one questioned his compete and definately not his offensive production. Gagner will probably be traded, but expecting Arco or Lander to be a competent 2C at this stage is foolish.

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#74 Zarny
March 12 2014, 02:43PM
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I like Arco. He's a feel good story but ultimately a depth player at best. He certainly doesn't solve any problems for the Oilers.

He's also an undrafted player who didn't make the NHL until he was 25, which is the peak age for point production by the average NHLer.

Arco will be like David Clarkson where you get 3-4 years in his mid to late 20's and that's it.

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#75 Tikkanese
March 12 2014, 02:51PM
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I do think the Oilers would do well to change their mix.

I don't think Jesse Joensuu is a better third-line RW than Mark Arcobello is, and I don't think Joensuu being 6'4" and reasonably speedy means he deserves a spot over Arcobello this year. Big and fast is good, but results are better if we're picking between the two.

I never said Joensuu was an answer. Although, if he kept playing like he did the first 8(?) games of the year he would be an answer but I don't think that game is in his DNA.

Like I said, I like Arco, but I don't think making the bottom 6 much smaller by adding him alone will make any difference, especially when the top 6 is far too small as is. The Oilers have done nothing but tinker with the bottom 6 almost exclusively the last few years and there is no change in the standings.

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#76 Dangilitis
March 12 2014, 03:06PM
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"Both reasons are understandable for a team perspective, but it does indicate the difficulty of Arcobello’s position"

I thought the team's perspective should be to win hockey games and play the best players, no?

Arcobello is not more of the same. If he was Sam Gagner, he would be defensively irresponsible and not make the most of his minutes when paired with offensive players. He would play like an undersized forward and be unable to compensate for this lack of size by using hockey IQ and being rather adept at being in the right place at the right time, as well as supporting his wingers.

Arcobello is not Sam Gagner. They are similar in size, but virtually everything else, including their path to the NHL, differs.

We are flushing a guy that the team made a smart bet on to begin with, and whom the team's farm system developed into a major leaguer who would be head and shoulders above all other AHL players in points if left to rot in a league where he no longer belongs. Oilers are now giving up on him for reasons unbeknownst to anyone who graded his NHL performance relative to other NHL regulars on the team. Makes me really angry, way more than the continued employment of goons on the 4th line. He could fill a 3rd line role and then move up the batting order in the event of injury. We just flushed Hemsky, and the only other guy I see taking that role is presumably being flushed down the drain as well.

If Lander takes over #2C, that would be great but is not a bet anyone should be making, rather, at best, we should hope for a #3/4 C to eventually take over for Boyd Gordon

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#77 oilerjed
March 12 2014, 03:32PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Still removing Gags and replacing him with someone like Arco does not make the Oilers better as it does not change the dynamic of the top 6. Arco showed that he is a good player and has proved he can compete and perforn at this level and if he finds a position on a team like Cogs has I believe he will find success. In fact I think if Gags is moved to a team that can surround him with a different type of player the is currently on the Oilers roster that he to would find more success. As for the Oil more Arcos, Gags, Cogs type players will do nothing to improve this team.

I still think removing Gagner and replacing him with a better player does make the Oilers better. The question is does it make them good enough? Probably not.

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#78 Craig1981
March 12 2014, 03:46PM
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oilerjed wrote:

I still think removing Gagner and replacing him with a better player does make the Oilers better. The question is does it make them good enough? Probably not.

I copy and pasted this from my other comment

"You do realize Gagner started the season injured and since Jan is at 18 points in 24 games. Even when Arco was running hot at the start of the season he had 12 points in 22 games." Gagner is the wipingboy and its unfair. He is a quality forward on ANY NHL team. Is it his fault the Oil do not have any top 3 dmen or lack size up front.......nope.

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#79 Rama Lama
March 12 2014, 03:48PM
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If Mac T does not sign this guy he can look in the mirror and say the following:

I am Sofa King wee-todd-did! I am Sofa King wee-todd-did! I am Sofa KIng wee-todd-did!

Ding Dong!

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#80 David S
March 12 2014, 03:56PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

He's at least as good as this year's version of Gagner, but a pale comparison to the real Gagner. The real Gagner granted is not a defensive guru but no one questioned his compete and definately not his offensive production. Gagner will probably be traded, but expecting Arco or Lander to be a competent 2C at this stage is foolish.

^ THIS.

Such a simple truth. I'm stunned as to why so many guys don't get this.

People look at Arco compared to a player operating at no more than 60% and make grand proclamations without considering how good Gagner was becoming last year. This year's Arco gets walked by last year's Gagner where it counts - goals and points. Not to mention I haven't seen Arco get into a scrap with a guy who can light him up like Gagner does a couple times a year (when healthy). Buddy is freaking fearless.

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#81 **
March 12 2014, 04:12PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Lander's NHL games almost all came as a rookie North American player.

For the sake of perspective: you saw Oscar Klefbom 's struggles last night? He was much worse early in the year in OKC; that's after several months of adapting to the North American game (granting that nerves played a role there).

Lander was the same age when he was rushed to the NHL as a rookie in his first North American season. Judging him off 56 games played in the majors when he should have been learning the North American game in the AHL is an awfully silly thing to do.

We've never seen Lander get a real shot since he's figured things out in the AHL. We don't know what he is.

I've personally seen enough. I agree he should have been playing in the minors instead of being thrown into the fire in his first season here. I believe it is too late to right the ship with him. He is not big, he is not physical, he is not fast enough.

But hey, let's revisit this conversation in two years.

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#82 smacketty
March 12 2014, 04:35PM
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Sam Gagner this season has better PPG than Arco. Arco is overachieving, Gagner is underachieving. With plenty of cap space I take Gags over Arco and hope it turns around, or trade Gags who has some value for someone who fits better on this team. Play Arco on the 4th line or send him away. If he truly has value then Oilers will get something for him.

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#83 John B
March 12 2014, 04:48PM
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I like Arco but I'm not sure he works on this team moving forward. On a better team with true NHL talent & depth, he would be a good 3rd liner who can play competently on the 2nd line when needed due to injury etc. Bumping Gagner out & replacing him with Arco on the 2nd line is NOT an overall improvement to this team; it is once again forcing a player into a position above his ability just like they currently do with defencemen & the long term results are predictable.

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#84 ubermiguel
March 12 2014, 04:56PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

He's at least as good as this year's version of Gagner, but a pale comparison to the real Gagner. The real Gagner granted is not a defensive guru but no one questioned his compete and definately not his offensive production. Gagner will probably be traded, but expecting Arco or Lander to be a competent 2C at this stage is foolish.

The real Gagner?! He's a career 0.63 ppg guy. This year he's at 0.58. That's 3 measely points in a season. This year IS the real Gagner, he is who everyone thinks he is which is a 2/3 tweener centre who is lousy at draws. Arco is very smart, is great at draws, keeps improving and has earned his way into the NHL.

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#85 Smokey
March 12 2014, 06:09PM
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smacketty wrote:

Sam Gagner this season has better PPG than Arco. Arco is overachieving, Gagner is underachieving. With plenty of cap space I take Gags over Arco and hope it turns around, or trade Gags who has some value for someone who fits better on this team. Play Arco on the 4th line or send him away. If he truly has value then Oilers will get something for him.

Gagner got something called pedigree.

Arco a more complete player. Different skillsets. Arco is better positionally, fundamentally, defensively, on faceoffs, and the penalty kill, and has more compete. Sam has a higher ceiling offensively thats pretty much it. Gagner producing now because hes nut hugging on Hall.

7 years of waiting for Gagner to reach his potential, makes me hope we see him digging pucks out of his own net somewhere else.

Lander's ceiling is a 3rd liner.

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#86 So-patient
March 12 2014, 06:32PM
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ThatGuy109 wrote:

My hope is that they've already spoken to Arco and let him know that he's in the plans for next year and is in OKC to help with the playoff push now that the season is lost.

Ideally Jones isn't re-signed and you can slot Arco on Gordon's wing and bump him into the top 6 when the inevitable injuries occur.

As much as I like Jones, I'd rather spend his 1.5 mil on a one way for Arco.

I agree with you. My most vivid recollection of arcobello is from the oilers 8-2 trouncing of Colorado. Mcguin came charging in on dubnyk after a dump in shot, and giving him a late tap and a face full of snow just before the whistle. Ryan smyth and nick Shultz were right there, but they elected to give mcguin a flyby. Arcobello, who was all the way past the oilers blue line came charging in with all 5"9 of furry and give mcguin a face full of glove and drew a crowd of both avelanche and oilers players. I had been impressed with his numbers up to that point but that game really sold me on arcobello. The guy has some of the best Corsi numbers on the team with average zone start ratios and slightly above average qoc and makes up for his lack of size by playing with grit. I understand the pinch the oilers are in but really the only acceptable reason for the oilers not forcing room up top for him is that he is there to help okc, and MacT has been having serious talks about a contract next year. Letting a cheap but highly effective player go for nothing is what losing teams do, and I'd count it as the third worst mistake of MacT's tenure. Right after announcing to the world he wanted to trade Hemsky, showing his hand and resulting in us moving him for peanuts at the deadline (I think anyways), and signing Labarbera. And I say this as a fan of most of the moves he's done, lol

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#87 oilerman53
March 12 2014, 07:29PM
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The Oilers choice to go with Gagner is most likely a move to increase his trade value. He has been performing better as of late. Arco is a guy who just brings it every game. Another smallish forward who never got a proper oppurtunity and had to make the most of his won the Art Ross twice in his career. Now I'm not going to make comparisons between Arco and St Louis but the moulds are the same. I'd rather keep Arco and trade the smaller guys who don't wanna compete. Eberle and Gagner might be able to get you some good size for the top six. I'd rather see Arco get a chance playing between Hall and or a forward with size over Gagner and his horrible play without the puck.

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#88 oilerjed
March 12 2014, 08:10PM
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^ THIS.

Such a simple truth. I'm stunned as to why so many guys don't get this.

People look at Arco compared to a player operating at no more than 60% and make grand proclamations without considering how good Gagner was becoming last year. This year's Arco gets walked by last year's Gagner where it counts - goals and points. Not to mention I haven't seen Arco get into a scrap with a guy who can light him up like Gagner does a couple times a year (when healthy). Buddy is freaking fearless.

I feel like Im on the wrong side of the fence. Last year I was all Gags this and Gags that but I feel Ive had an awakening. This is starting to look alot like the Hemsky debate that raged for years. Offensive producers that unfortunately didnt bring the team anywhere near where we hoped. Look how long it took to solve the enigma that was Hemsky. In the end his year after year numbers were pretty similar and he NEVER proved any of his backers to be right. Im afraid the same thing is happening with Gagner. I still think he will be a 1000 pt player and play many good years in the NHL, just not here. Unless they dont move him and he turns it all around next year then I take it all back. Damn breaking up is hard to do.

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#89 Slats
March 12 2014, 09:50PM
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Merit is worth something.

On my Oilers:

1. Arco should have been here a long while ago. And after the Gags trade fell through and he was still sucking he would in press box.

2. As for Nelson he should have been here on Sept 1st as an assistant + 1 other of Mr. Bean's picks.

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#90 Slats
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Merit is worth something.

On my Oilers:

1. Arco should have been here a long while ago. And after the Gags trade fell through and he was still sucking he would in press box.

2. As for Nelson he should have been here on Sept 1st as an assistant + 1 other of Mr. Bean's picks.

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#91 Rod from Viking
March 12 2014, 11:02PM
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Does anyone think that Nelson could be coming up as an assistant next year and maybe Derek Laxdal will take over the head coaching of OKC. As far as Arco goes no one knows how much interest there will be in him from other teams and we don't know what kind of conversation Mac T has had with him. I would like to see him retained on a one way deal since he is so versatile and this team always seems to have injuries, I also don't think Gagner will be traded and Yak will be odd man out next year.

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#92 BLAKPOO
March 13 2014, 01:49AM
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The real Gagner?! He's a career 0.63 ppg guy. This year he's at 0.58. That's 3 measely points in a season. This year IS the real Gagner, he is who everyone thinks he is which is a 2/3 tweener centre who is lousy at draws. Arco is very smart, is great at draws, keeps improving and has earned his way into the NHL.

Arcobello was 0.44 ppg through the 41 games he played here. He had a 5.71 shooting percentage. He played top minutes with quality linemates and scored 4 goals.

Arco's older, slower, shorter and over 35lbs lighter than Gagner. And he can't score. 51% FO is respectable, but hardly "great". Boyd Gordon is "great" at draws.

Arco earned his chance to fill in while Gagner was injured, but that's it. Good for him for working his way up to a temporary roster spot, but to think there's any room for him on this undersized team playing in this oversized division is ridiculous.

His time as an Oiler is finished.

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#93 Rod from Viking
March 13 2014, 06:00AM
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Arcobello was 0.44 ppg through the 41 games he played here. He had a 5.71 shooting percentage. He played top minutes with quality linemates and scored 4 goals.

Arco's older, slower, shorter and over 35lbs lighter than Gagner. And he can't score. 51% FO is respectable, but hardly "great". Boyd Gordon is "great" at draws.

Arco earned his chance to fill in while Gagner was injured, but that's it. Good for him for working his way up to a temporary roster spot, but to think there's any room for him on this undersized team playing in this oversized division is ridiculous.

His time as an Oiler is finished.

Arcobella spent a lot of time on the 4th line and the some on the 3rd when Gordon was out, Gagner only played one game on the 4th line, Arco is faster than Gagner, good on the draws and far better defensively,he does finish his checks and for his size strong on the puck and most importantly not making $4.8mil. He is however as you say too small for a team that is already undersized and is a free agent, I can't see him back here either.

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#94 Rdubb
March 13 2014, 07:44AM
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all said, just another case proving that this coach, & perhaps coaching staff are in the dark of how to win. let's keep a big guy who can't really do anything and send down this guy who absolutely broke out earlier in the year when given a half ass shot...or, lets move the slow moving smyth (and I like smitty a ton) to C and send this natural C down, all he does is kill penalties, win draws, works his butt off every shift and even hits guys who have 5" and 30+lbs on him, not to mention he'd be great on the 2nd pp unit... Peck

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#95 Tikkanese
March 13 2014, 09:50AM
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ubermiguel wrote:

The real Gagner?! He's a career 0.63 ppg guy. This year he's at 0.58. That's 3 measely points in a season. This year IS the real Gagner, he is who everyone thinks he is which is a 2/3 tweener centre who is lousy at draws. Arco is very smart, is great at draws, keeps improving and has earned his way into the NHL.

Other than this injury setback season, Gagner has improved in almost every category each and every season.

Why is everyone so angry at Gagner? It is because deep down you all know he has played much better in the past and is capable of much more. This year IS NOT the real Gagner. Stop trolling.

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#96 Smokey
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Arcobello was 0.44 ppg through the 41 games he played here. He had a 5.71 shooting percentage. He played top minutes with quality linemates and scored 4 goals.

Arco's older, slower, shorter and over 35lbs lighter than Gagner. And he can't score. 51% FO is respectable, but hardly "great". Boyd Gordon is "great" at draws.

Arco earned his chance to fill in while Gagner was injured, but that's it. Good for him for working his way up to a temporary roster spot, but to think there's any room for him on this undersized team playing in this oversized division is ridiculous.

His time as an Oiler is finished.

Cherry picked stats. Look at the quantifiable statistics when he played top line not while he played fourth line and was in Eakins doghouse for inexplicable reasons. Arco was 1st or 2nd in rookie scoring when he got top 6 mins. Once he relegated to the press box and 4th line he did not produce. GO FIGuRE!

Earlier in the season the guy was a corsi beast, had a great faceoff percentage.

Subjectively, do u honestly think Gagner is faster? Arco no world beater, and historically its been apparant to the average fan Gagner can't skate and it contributes to his poor defensive play and difficulty on the cycle. His offense comes to the detriment of the team.

The Gagner lovers are coming outta the woodworks. Arco could be putting up 18 points in 24 games too if he got a push while keeping the puck out of the net. Gagner is a complementary player as is Arcobello. I'd rather pay my comp guys 900 k, rather then 4.8 m. Neither is a solution to the second line center, if we are building to a Stanley Cup contender, its not happening with either in the 2nd center hole. I think the Oilers will draft Reinhardt or Bennet.

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BLAKPOO wrote:

Arcobello was 0.44 ppg through the 41 games he played here. He had a 5.71 shooting percentage. He played top minutes with quality linemates and scored 4 goals.

Arco's older, slower, shorter and over 35lbs lighter than Gagner. And he can't score. 51% FO is respectable, but hardly "great". Boyd Gordon is "great" at draws.

Arco earned his chance to fill in while Gagner was injured, but that's it. Good for him for working his way up to a temporary roster spot, but to think there's any room for him on this undersized team playing in this oversized division is ridiculous.

His time as an Oiler is finished.

Cherry picked stats. Look at the quantifiable statistics when he played top line not while he played fourth line and was in Eakins doghouse for inexplicable reasons. Arco was 1st or 2nd in rookie scoring when he got top 6 mins. Once he relegated to the press box and 4th line he did not produce. GO FIGuRE!

Earlier in the season the guy was a corsi beast, had a great faceoff percentage.

Subjectively, do u honestly think Gagner is faster? Arco no world beater, and historically its been apparant to the average fan Gagner can't skate and it contributes to his poor defensive play and difficulty on the cycle. His offense comes to the detriment of the team.

The Gagner lovers are coming outta the woodworks. Arco could be putting up 18 points in 24 games too if he got a push while keeping the puck out of the net. Gagner is a complementary player as is Arcobello. I'd rather pay my comp guys 900 k, rather then 4.8 m. Neither is a solution to the second line center, if we are building to a Stanley Cup contender, its not happening with either in the 2nd center hole. I think the Oilers will draft Reinhardt or Bennet.

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#98 BLAKPOO
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Cherry picked stats. Look at the quantifiable statistics when he played top line not while he played fourth line and was in Eakins doghouse for inexplicable reasons. Arco was 1st or 2nd in rookie scoring when he got top 6 mins. Once he relegated to the press box and 4th line he did not produce. GO FIGuRE!

Earlier in the season the guy was a corsi beast, had a great faceoff percentage.

Subjectively, do u honestly think Gagner is faster? Arco no world beater, and historically its been apparant to the average fan Gagner can't skate and it contributes to his poor defensive play and difficulty on the cycle. His offense comes to the detriment of the team.

The Gagner lovers are coming outta the woodworks. Arco could be putting up 18 points in 24 games too if he got a push while keeping the puck out of the net. Gagner is a complementary player as is Arcobello. I'd rather pay my comp guys 900 k, rather then 4.8 m. Neither is a solution to the second line center, if we are building to a Stanley Cup contender, its not happening with either in the 2nd center hole. I think the Oilers will draft Reinhardt or Bennet.

How are they cherry picked stats? Those are his NHL stats from his NHL games. You're implying I choose specific stats based on line position and linemates? Pretty sure that would be what's referred to as "cherry-picking".

Being 2nd in rookie scoring (temporarily) is like being almost the skinniest person at a Weight Watchers meeting. Doesn't mean anything. You look pretty good compared to the others in the room, but you're still too fat and look terrible in a bikini.

I'm not here to shake the Gagner pom-poms, but there's no way Arco at his best touches Gagner at his best.

I do, however, agree with you that both are not likely to be Oilers come training camp. Bennett would be my first pick for the draft - he's exactly the type of player this team needs.

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#99 joshgladu
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good lord, this stupid THE MIX ISN'T RIGHT bs that gregor has been spewing all week has gotten to you.

to hell with the size, just get 12 guys who are actually good at playing hockey.

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