Can the Edmonton Oilers afford to trade Sam Gagner? Can they afford not to?

Jonathan Willis
March 18 2014 10:13AM

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There is no more controversial player in Edmonton than Sam Gagner. The payoff for the difficult 2006-07 season, the still-young forward was supposed to be a primary piece for the Oilers to build around at centre. Instead, nearly 500 games into his NHL career, he continues to struggle.

What should Edmonton do with him?

The Case for Moving

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The argument for moving Gagner is that he isn’t a two-way hockey player.

Scoring isn’t really Gagner’s problem. He hasn’t lit the world on fire but he’s been posting very respectable second-line point totals since day one. On a team with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, that’s good enough (or should be eventually), even if it isn’t what the Oilers had in mind when they picked him sixth overall.

Gagner isn’t big, but that isn’t really a primary problem either. History is full of teams that have won Stanley Cups with centres roughly the size of Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner (fun fact for the ‘every team needs size down the middle!’ people: of the 10 centres to play on the Cup winners from Detroit (2008) and Boston (2011), not even one of them was listed at over 200 pounds). There are plenty of ways to win hockey games, and having a bunch of 6’4” guys who can play pivot is one of them, but not the only one.

What every Stanley Cup winner has in common is good players. And while Gagner is certainly an NHL player, it’s fair to wonder if he’s really the guy a team wants in the No. 2 pivot slot. Chicago won with Martin Hanzal (edit: Michal Handzus) there last season, but very few teams can insulate their No. 2 centre with Jonathan Toews in the No. 1 role and people like Patrick Kane and Patrick Sharp and Marian Hossa on the wings.

Watch Gagner on this goal against from Edmonton’s last game in Carolina:

Justin Schultz grabs the puck at the blue line and jumps up ice. Gagner’s in the middle of the zone, behind the pinching Schultz and his two wingers, and sees it all happen. At about the two second mark, he’s at the far left of the screen about halfway up, watching a battle on the side boards. There’s a Carolina player just above and to the right of him. A good centre knows that, knows that Schultz (smartly) pinched, and covers for the defenceman. Gagner wanders past the Hurricanes forward and suddenly there’s a two-on-one, and eventually a goal against.

Every player makes mistakes, and thus any player can be made to look terrible on video. But from what I’ve seen, this is a mistake typical of Gagner. He doesn’t have the defensive commitment a centre needs. He cheats for offence.

The Case Against Moving

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The argument against moving Gagner is equally simple. It’s a stupid idea from an asset management perspective to trade players during low ebbs in value.

The following are Gagner’s totals (projected over 82 games) for the last five seasons:

Season  G A PTS +/-
2009-10 18 31 49 -10
2010-11 18 33 51 -21
2011-12 20 31 51 5
2012-13 24 41 65 -10
2013-14 10  36 46 -31

Gagner is at a low ebb in goal-scoring, a low ebb in point-scoring and a particularly low ebb in plus/minus. I think that in this case the basic statistics reflect reality. He started the year injured, he came back and was brutal, and while he’s improved a little bit lately he simply hasn’t been the Gagner of past seasons.

If the Oilers had traded Gagner two years ago, they likely would have had a better return. Ditto for last season. This year? We’re talking about the Oilers retaining salary and getting back Kyle Clifford.

Bad NHL teams typically bleed talent. One of the reasons is because bad teams generally have managers who make bad decisions, but there’s more to it than that. Bad teams are under more pressure than good teams to move players in off years, because they need everyone performing at a top level just to get within visual range of respectability. Bad teams tend not to have a support system, so when the bottom falls out on a player it really falls out.

Moving Gagner right now will see the Oilers get a 50 cents on the dollar return.

What Should Edmonton Do?

Craig MacTavish10

We are in a situation where the team has competing interests. It needs to get better in the No. 2 centre slot, which means trading Gagner away. But it also needs to get full value (or as close to it as possible) to improve the roster, which means retaining Gagner.

There are all kinds of real world problems here (is Gagner pushing for a trade, which free agents will consider Edmonton, what does the trade market look like) but in theory I think there’s an obvious two-step best course here:

  • 1. Add a replacement for Gagner to the roster.
  • 2. Keep Gagner until his trade value rebounds.

Let’s call Gagner’s replacement “Brandon Dubinsky” (we’re picking on Columbus here because they have Ryan Johansen and Boone Jenner and Artem Anisimov and because virtually any of their four good centres would be a nice fit for the Oilers – but the general idea is just to add a player-type, not a specific player). If the Oilers add “Dubinsky” in the off-season without off-loading Gagner, they could start next year by putting him at centre on the third line and bumping Boyd Gordon down into the role of fourth-line defensive specialist (it’s the role Manny Malhotra played in Vancouver).

That puts Nugent-Hopkins’ line in the power-vs.-power role, the “Dubinsky” line in a secondary tough minutes role, the Gordon line in a defensive zone role, and leaves all kinds of soft minutes for the Gagner line. In that situation, it’s pretty conceivable that Gagner recovers offensively and his trade value increases dramatically, at which point Edmonton’s free to deal him for something else and bump “Dubinsky” into a more offensive role.

As we said, there are real-world considerations that might make this scenario an impossibility. But if possible, I think it’s the best route forward for Edmonton.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 They're $hittie
March 18 2014, 10:44AM
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Trade Eberle for the center we need and move gagner to the RW.

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#2 Guy Lafleur
March 18 2014, 11:44AM
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I would keep Gagner and Trade NUGE for a real 1st line centre , one who has more strength than a small child .

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#3 Tuningout
March 18 2014, 10:40AM
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Trade Gagner. Odds are no good free agent center will sign here. And I love placing 18 year old kids (probably Drasaitl) into positions on the Oilers they can't possibly succeed in like second line center duties. No problem. Maybe if they package Gagner and Yakupov they can get Torontos first rounder this year, retaining salary of course.

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#4 Doctor Smashy
March 18 2014, 10:23AM
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Is there any merit to continue our search for a 2C but not move Gagner to get it? Gagner is great passer so might he be better on the wing (and improve his value at that position)? Also, he just wasn't this bad any other year in terms of stupid plays (they're not even lazy really)...none of these conversations were going on last year were they?

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#5 chris
March 18 2014, 12:19PM
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gagner has no trade value because he sucks, and he will suck next year too. let him go.

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#6 **
March 18 2014, 02:09PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Your answer is Yakimov?!? Wow!

When the best defensemen in the KHL (Belov) cannot even play regularily on the worst defense in the NHL, how is a depth KHL center supposed to instantly become a 2nd line center in the NHL?!?

Dang it boy!! where did I write Yakimov was the answer? I just wrote it would be interesting to see him in camp. I didn't even write he would make the team. Get a grip boy, get a grip. Also, you are writing about a 28 yr old man already molded vs a 19 yo boy who is just starting. You're an idiot, and I say that with all my heart.

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#7 They're $hittie
March 18 2014, 10:46AM
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Why are people so hard for Draisaitl. Ya he is big and talented, but I just got a bad feeling that says bust. I still think if we go with a center it has to be one of the sams. Pick the best player not the biggest.

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#8 They're $hittie
March 18 2014, 10:55AM
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TKB2677 wrote:

SO not only do they down grade their right wing position by changing Eberle for Gagner because Eberle is a better player than Gagner and he has the numbers to back that up. But they also do nothing to address the size problem in the top 6? Eberle and Gagner are basically the same size.

Uh center is more important than wing. And who is to say you dont get size in the trade for Eberle.

And again size has nothing to do with it. Trading Eberle 185lbs makes your team bigger than trading Gagner 200 lbs.

It is about a stronger two way center. I would love to see Eberle at center. Than all you people who are still lost in the fantasy of one good season and his play years ago at the wjc would see Eberle for what he really is. A good player with defensive deficiencies who is a 60 pt player and not worth 6M a year,

Eberle away from Hall is not as good, so how much are we really down grading at rw. A down grade at RW to upgrade center is what you need to do.

As for asset management selling eberle high is the right thing to do, and so is not giving away gagner for nothing.

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#9 Jed
March 18 2014, 10:56AM
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Ekblad

Drasaitl

Bennett

Michael Dal Colle

Nick Ritchie.

Oilers will take 1 of these players.

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#10 A-Mc
March 18 2014, 12:30PM
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The Yak fan club is going to hate this, but why not send Yak to OKC, Move Gagner to wing, and fill Center with either Lander/Arco/UFA/DraftedCenterman.

By and large, Yakupov has been relatively ineffective in the NHL this season. He is in a state of transition and i think he could develop his game faster down in OKC.

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#11 Cold Hard Truth
March 18 2014, 05:25PM
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In mid-July 2013, Vic Michaels asked MacTavish if he was going to make any more moves to improve the team.

MacTavish stated: "Not really at this point."

"when I sit down and look at our roster, I’m reasonably comfortable that we’ve made some progress and reasonably comfortable with the depth of our line-up.”

"I’m reasonably optimistic that we’re going to be a real good hockey team.”

My Point: MacTavish ignored, or did not see, the blindingly obvious holes we have in the roster. MacTavish demonstrated poor judgement. He does not have some Grand Strategy for the team, but is flying by the seat of his pants.

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#12 TKB2677
March 18 2014, 10:40AM
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Question:

If you resign Smyth like Willis talked about in a different article. If you don't trade Yakupov because he's still young, it's unknown how good he could be but the main reason being his trade value is too low because he isn't playing well to get what people think is "fair value". If you don't trade Gagner even if it looks as though at 24 yrs old and 7 seasons in, Gagner is what he is and his holes in his game are probably not going away. Plus he isn't the long term solution at the 2nd line center position but like Yakupov, because his trade value is low due to poor play, you probably won't get what people think is "fair value".

In order to be a better team for next season, they need more size and better 2 way play in their top 6.

Clearly you can't get rid of Hall because he is hands down their best player.

You can't get rid of Nuge because they already lack depth at center and he is their best center especially offensively.

I would say they can't get rid of Perron because he's their top goal scorer right now plus he's one of the few top 6 guys that plays with any real, consistent bite.

Eberle right now is their best right winger by a mile and will be in my opinion the better all around player. Yak might score a few more goals in his career buy Eberle will be a better all around player because he has way better hockey sense.

So if you keep all of the above for the reasons I stated and you keep Gagner and Yakupov who are 2 top 6 players for any team but you don't want to trade them right now because their trade value is "too low". If the Oilers do all of that, how will they be better any better next season?

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#13 BobbyCanuck
March 18 2014, 11:26AM
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This is what I take away from all the articles today:

1) Cannot fire Eakins, because we need continuity 2) Cannot trade Gagner until he starts to play better 3)Infact, cannot trade any of the core until they start playing better (RNH,Eberle being the best trade bait)

Personally I want to keep Hall, Perron, and Yakipov as they all seem to display what the Oilers need. (Talent, heart)

Give MacT time, well for me he has had his three strikes

1) Treatement of Krueger 2) Treatment of Smid 3) Gagner contract

Someone mentions that give Eakins the first 15 games next season to prove his worth, and if we go 3-12-2 or something, get rid of him. Realize if we go with that kind of record in the first 15 games, the season is done by the end of Novemenber, much like this one.

Fundamentally we are saying that next season is toast, and we are gearing up for the McDavid sweepstakes, is that what we are saying? If so, you all now know exactly why Katz has zero impetuous to make the team better.

The Kool-Aid is tasting mighty fine in E-town

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#14 **
March 18 2014, 12:15PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

I agree with JW. Keep Gagner at least until his trade value increases. Or doing an underachiever swap, such as Gagner for Myers.

What if Gagner suddenly learns to play two-ways? Do you still trade him? Gagner's offense cannot be learned at the NHL level, defense can.

It took Yzerman years to finally buy in to playing defense(not that Gagner is Yzerman). Stranger things have happened. Fedorov went from being a Hart winning center to an almost Norris caliber defensemen.

YEah, let's keep working with the "what if" strategy, it has worked great so far.

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#15 mayorblaine
March 18 2014, 12:21PM
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i like Gagner. i like his effort, his willingness, his team mentality.

that aside we should trade him for what we need, and not keep for what we hope. he won't be more than he is. which is ok, but not here.

of course like stated prior, he should have been gone before, when the asset had value. management can't foreshadow worth a crap.

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#16 **
March 18 2014, 12:23PM
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TKB2677 wrote:

Question:

If you resign Smyth like Willis talked about in a different article. If you don't trade Yakupov because he's still young, it's unknown how good he could be but the main reason being his trade value is too low because he isn't playing well to get what people think is "fair value". If you don't trade Gagner even if it looks as though at 24 yrs old and 7 seasons in, Gagner is what he is and his holes in his game are probably not going away. Plus he isn't the long term solution at the 2nd line center position but like Yakupov, because his trade value is low due to poor play, you probably won't get what people think is "fair value".

In order to be a better team for next season, they need more size and better 2 way play in their top 6.

Clearly you can't get rid of Hall because he is hands down their best player.

You can't get rid of Nuge because they already lack depth at center and he is their best center especially offensively.

I would say they can't get rid of Perron because he's their top goal scorer right now plus he's one of the few top 6 guys that plays with any real, consistent bite.

Eberle right now is their best right winger by a mile and will be in my opinion the better all around player. Yak might score a few more goals in his career buy Eberle will be a better all around player because he has way better hockey sense.

So if you keep all of the above for the reasons I stated and you keep Gagner and Yakupov who are 2 top 6 players for any team but you don't want to trade them right now because their trade value is "too low". If the Oilers do all of that, how will they be better any better next season?

If the Oilers followed JW's recommendations, Dubnyk would still be on net, Hemsky would still be here, Khabibulin would have been resigned, Horcoff would still be here, and nothing would ever change, because the team would still be terrible and no one would increase their value. Hell eve Jason Strudwick would probably be here still.

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#17 michael
March 18 2014, 05:23PM
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Your option are little and none.You cannot trade Gagner based on his play the first 60 games this year. Good land.You have someone smack you upside the head and sip out of a straw for 6 weeks and see how the frick you feel. Gagner gets a mulligan on this season. Gagner deserves and has earned a mulligan.

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#18 vetinari
March 18 2014, 10:49AM
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I think that most forwards and defencemen need about 400 to 500 games under their belt to see what they really bring to the table. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule but it is helpful.

You also have to look at whether their major stats (points, goals, assists, ice time, +/-, corsi, etc.) are generally improving or declining and whether their role on the team has expanded or reduced over that time to get a true sense of the player.

With Gagner, he's at a low and seems, like most of the Oiler youth, to try to cheat for offence and gives up way too many chances during the course of a game. I don't know if he is being a bad example that the others follow or if how the others play is encouraging him to try high risk plays at the offensive blueline, usually leading to a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 the other way.

Sadly, unless you can replace him through the draft or through a UFA signing, I think that the Oilers are stuck with him until he rebounds and I can't see anyone trading anything more than a generic depth player for him or a non-first round draft pick.

In fact, if we can get a different 2C, I would shift him to the wing on a line with defensively responsible partners (Gordon?) and bench him as and when needed to drive home that he's on a short leash until he learns. Hopefully, a more rounded player emerges, otherwise, take your peanuts in a season or two, move on, and try again with a new player.

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#20 Death Metal Nightmare
March 18 2014, 11:20AM
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"The argument for moving Gagner is that he isn’t a two-way hockey player."

FAKE.

the argument is that he is not good at anything and gets carried through his career by better players creating chaos for him. put the defensive stuff to the side for a second and ask yourself how often you see Sam Gagner actual "stir the pot" for the line's he takes part of and how often the more talented players he's paired with create the chaos for Gagner to pick up loose pucks to find an open man or put in a garbage goal.

last snipe goal? who knows

last "highlight reel" play? who knows

one 8 point game and being hot against some russians when youre a teen only carries you so long. the dude is just not that good in the NHL and he's a third wheel.

Lost_in_a_fishbowl_over-analysis_tunnel_vision

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#21 merfer
March 18 2014, 11:33AM
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Gagner and Yakipov for Seth Jones. Win-Win

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#22 RexHolez
March 18 2014, 12:07PM
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This rebuild hasn't been a failure, it's been a disaster! 4 years into it and I still don't know what type of team they're trying to build

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#23 Dave
March 18 2014, 12:18PM
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** wrote:

So the suggestion here, based on current ice time, is to send out the fourth line for the lion's share of defensive zone starts just so Gagner can score maybe 10 more points. Am I the only one seeing a problem with that?.

Gagner is on pace to score just about 5 points below the average he's scored in all his career, so from the point production point of view I don't see his value diminishing that dramatically, and I don't see it improving that dramatically next season with sheltered minutes.

Move him in the summer, maybe in a package. HE would never bring a top d man or a legit second line center back by himself at any point anyways.

Can we hire you to be G.M?

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#24 **
March 18 2014, 02:55PM
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Curcro wrote:

You don't get the concept of buying low do you? Is Clarkson as bad as his numbers suggest? Historically his number indicate that he normally produces at twice the rate.

What is different this year?

Zone Starts, Clarkson is used in the defensive zone faceoffs more than any other Leaf except McClement. So he has to skate further on every shift to get a scoring opportunity (see Boyd Gordon).

Next Clarkson is seeing allot less Powerplay time in Toronto versus when he was in New Jersey.

Finally, who he is playing with in Jersey, he played with Henrique and Zajac mostly. In Toronto he has had much less consistent linemates, and worse ones in Raymond and McClement.

So depending on how a team would use him, there would be the potential to get more value from his contract. That being said is it worth $5.25M?? Probably not, but buying low perhaps you can get the team to retain salary.

I think you are very stupid to say Willis doesn't know anything about hockey because he ASKED a question about whether or not Clarkson would be a good pick up.

Personally I'd rather get my hockey information from Willis than you.

I think you are very stupid to say I am stupid because I never wrote Willis doesn't know anything about hockey. Personally I'd rather you read things before you drool all over the keyboard.

AS for Clarkson, one word: age. If you agree with Willis so much, see if you have the intelligence to extrapolate what applies to Clarkson form this article of his:

http://oilersnation.com/2014/3/15/the-matt-hendricks-career-curve

I don't think you understand any concept. Buying low means a player who does more than what his salary projects, like David Perron, he's a bargain right now for the Oilers. Buying high, is paying Clarkson over 5 million a season on average for 10 points. So either you had a typo and meant buying high, or you're very, very stupid.

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#25 **
March 18 2014, 03:16PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

For your clarity, the use of "what" in my comments relay the lack of a connection between your statements and anything written by young Willis.

On a related note, here is another bit of rich hypocrisy for everyone's enjoyment.

Personally I'd rather you read things before you drool all over the keyboard.

updated for one more:

I don't appreciate it when someone puts words in my mouth

So troll it is.

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#26 Beer League Hero
March 18 2014, 10:56AM
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I haven't seen Gagner do much of anything all season but he's not the only Oiler with that problem. I would have no problem shoring up other areas of the team with a Gagner package.

Ideally the Oilers should trade Gagner++ for help on defense or 2C. Looking for a team holding a veteran with a bad contract. Or overpaying a defencemen like Brooks Orpik or Andrei Markov. What about Dan Boyle or Kimmo Timmonen?

As posted today on ON, the team lacks proper veteran leadership that the "core" can bend an ear from every now and then. I think it'd be prudent to watch which teams go far into the playoffs this year and see who Edmonton could pick up from said teams. Ference will eventually be seen as an important piece someday as will Hendricks.

Wouldn't Jaromir Jagr be an excellent pick up? What a mentor he'd be for the boys?

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#27 They're $hittie
March 18 2014, 11:03AM
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@TKB2677

So you base how you rate players based on size? Thats good to know.

As for Hockey DB that site lists the weight of the player at his first year pro. Gagner confirmed his weight of 201 on the radio.

As for Draisatl Im not calling him a bust, I have a bad feeling about him. Again this is another player being called lazy and uncommited. Sounds a lot like Grigorenko. As for putting up points. Good for him. Still no where near what Gagner did in 2006, and he did not turn out as planned.

To pikc LD over better players Reinhart and Bennett because his is taller is the stupidiest thing we could do.

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#28 **
March 18 2014, 12:31PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Or they could have just signed Arcobello to a one way contract. I've seen enough to think he's an upgrade defesively on Gagner and with decent wingers (and playing Centre) his production would be similar to Gagners.

No trade needed, and they could concentrate on getting a defender, which is what the team needs most.

Arco might not be a long term solution (read "probably not") but hes a cheaper and better option that Gagner.

Gagner came back too soon from injury because he felt steps on his roof. With Arcobello playing so well, he started making some people look bad. With the unexplained love lust this organization has for Gagner, they couldn't let that happen, so he came back and sucked the big one at the expense of Arcobello's superior play.

I agree with JW when he says size isn't everything, Arcobello on a second line in San Jose for example would be dynamite. THe problem with the Oilers is not that they don't have big centers, but that their centers are not good enough (I still think Nuge will get there) and that, although size isn't everything, it is important to have in the mix(size with skill, not a Joenssu), and the Oilers top six completely lack in that department. (this is specially true in the Oilers division with the California teams leading the charge).

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#29 TigerUnderGlass
March 18 2014, 02:17PM
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** wrote:

Dang it boy!! where did I write Yakimov was the answer? I just wrote it would be interesting to see him in camp. I didn't even write he would make the team. Get a grip boy, get a grip. Also, you are writing about a 28 yr old man already molded vs a 19 yo boy who is just starting. You're an idiot, and I say that with all my heart.

That's rich.

The guy making some of the grossest mischaracterizations I have ever seen saying, "where did I write that?"

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#30 **
March 18 2014, 02:23PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

That's rich.

The guy making some of the grossest mischaracterizations I have ever seen saying, "where did I write that?"

Me no te entiendo muchacho (aka the guy making the grossest generalization I have seen on this particular post, because A: I don't have a idyllic memory to recall all other mis characterizations I have ever seen, and B) because I am not self-serving (well sometimes).

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#31 **
March 18 2014, 03:03PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

No special memory required.

If the Oilers followed JW's recommendations, Dubnyk would still be on net, Hemsky would still be here, Khabibulin would have been resigned, Horcoff would still be here, and nothing would ever change, because the team would still be terrible and no one would increase their value. Hell eve Jason Strudwick would probably be here still.

What?

I never liked Clarkson, and I am the one you're replying to. And you giving credence to the people running a team 8 years out of the playoffs, hmmm.... I know you can make a better argument than that. I can assure you Mac. T. is praying hail marys every night thanking the heavens Clarkson didn't sign here. Pretty much what you are predicting for Hendricks is what is happening to Clarkson right now. IF you are talking about khabibulin then I'm confused as to what your point is.

Again. WHAT?

Not sure if you're trolling or just incapable of reading and arguing.

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#32 **
March 18 2014, 03:40PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

More accurately, I am in the process of pointing out a troll to everyone else.

I call you a troll, you answer:

"I don't even know what that is supposed to mean."

Then you write on another post:

"More accurately, I am in the process of pointing out a troll to everyone else."

Your argument just became massively invalid.

I'm done here. Good night.

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#33 The Last Big Bear
March 18 2014, 06:55PM
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Cold Hard Truth wrote:

In mid-July 2013, Vic Michaels asked MacTavish if he was going to make any more moves to improve the team.

MacTavish stated: "Not really at this point."

"when I sit down and look at our roster, I’m reasonably comfortable that we’ve made some progress and reasonably comfortable with the depth of our line-up.”

"I’m reasonably optimistic that we’re going to be a real good hockey team.”

My Point: MacTavish ignored, or did not see, the blindingly obvious holes we have in the roster. MacTavish demonstrated poor judgement. He does not have some Grand Strategy for the team, but is flying by the seat of his pants.

I like the cut of your jib.

MacTavish should be lapping up the undeserved credit for "turning around" a team that couldn't get any worse, and was inevitably going to get better even if only by virtue of the young players being a year older.

Instead he's getting a free pass for somehow, some way, managing to make the team even WORSE.

Yes, he acquired Scrivens and signed him to a good contract. Yes, he won the Perron-MPS trade.

Virtually everything else he's done has been questionable AT BEST.

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#34 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 18 2014, 10:31AM
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After this Gagner situation, I have a feeling the Oilers will take a centre at the draft. Probably ze German, if he's still there.

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#35 FuManShu
March 18 2014, 10:42AM
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The only issue is who do you move to get "Dubinsky"?

I hope we draft Draisaitl and let him develop another year or two. At 6'1.75 and 210 pounds we could REALLY use him in a couple years.

However we can't dress the same top 6 next year. We can't.

Gagner + 2015 2nd for Artem Anisimov.

Sign Kulemin, Goc, Winnik

Hall Nuge Yakupov

Perron Anisimov Eberle

Kulemin Goc Winnik

Smyth Gordon Hendricks

Let Draisaitl develop

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#36 Racki
March 18 2014, 10:43AM
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Other option is to trade our ubderperforming player for someone else's underperformer (ex. Sabres have an option or two) and hopefully each player does well under new scenery.

There's also the Gagner to wing scenario, but most seem to think Gagner isn't strong enough on the puck for that. Not so sure about that, but they've got to figure out something other than Gagner for Clifford. That's terrible.

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#37 baggedmilk
March 18 2014, 10:53AM
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Poor Sam. Guy just cannot figure out the defensive end. If he is around, I'd like to see him playing wing. Too many defensive responsibilities for him where he's at.

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#38 RT26
March 18 2014, 12:09PM
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Do you move Gagner to wing on the second line? Bring in a Dubinsky or Couturier (if that is even possible) and play Gagner on the RW with Perron on the left.

I think Gagner is a quality player if used right, but he is not the holistic center that we need.

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#39 Tikkanese
March 18 2014, 12:14PM
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I agree with JW. Keep Gagner at least until his trade value increases. Or doing an underachiever swap, such as Gagner for Myers.

What if Gagner suddenly learns to play two-ways? Do you still trade him? Gagner's offense cannot be learned at the NHL level, defense can.

It took Yzerman years to finally buy in to playing defense(not that Gagner is Yzerman). Stranger things have happened. Fedorov went from being a Hart winning center to an almost Norris caliber defensemen.

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#40 **
March 18 2014, 12:25PM
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Dave wrote:

Can we hire you to be G.M?

I hope you weren't trolling because I just felt respected. *leans back on his chair and nods approvingly*

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#41 **
March 18 2014, 01:48PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Except for the 80% of fans polled here who approved of that contract. Or, perhaps more pertinently, the people actually running the team.

I never liked Clarkson, and I am the one you're replying to. And you giving credence to the people running a team 8 years out of the playoffs, hmmm.... I know you can make a better argument than that. I can assure you Mac. T. is praying hail marys every night thanking the heavens Clarkson didn't sign here. Pretty much what you are predicting for Hendricks is what is happening to Clarkson right now. IF you are talking about khabibulin then I'm confused as to what your point is.

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#42 **
March 18 2014, 02:18PM
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oilerjed wrote:

Thanks for that. My next question was about Yakimov. How ready is he?

Well he played solid, if not eye popping, hockey at the WJC. Physically he is ready, but he needs to improve his skating, not that he is a coke machine, but he needs to get faster but beyond that I couldn't tell you. That's why I am intrigued to see him at the training camp, not at the prospects camp.

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#43 Tikkanese
March 18 2014, 02:37PM
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** wrote:

Dang it boy!! where did I write Yakimov was the answer? I just wrote it would be interesting to see him in camp. I didn't even write he would make the team. Get a grip boy, get a grip. Also, you are writing about a 28 yr old man already molded vs a 19 yo boy who is just starting. You're an idiot, and I say that with all my heart.

When you reply to the article titled "Can the Edmonton Oilers afford to trade Sam Gagner? Can they afford not to?", then yes you are saying Yakimov is the answer.

Also name calling will not help your cause.

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#44 **
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Tikkanese wrote:

When you reply to the article titled "Can the Edmonton Oilers afford to trade Sam Gagner? Can they afford not to?", then yes you are saying Yakimov is the answer.

Also name calling will not help your cause.

That is your interpretation, and I don't appreciate it when someone puts words in my mouth (or my fingers, for some overly grammar junkies).

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#45 TigerUnderGlass
March 18 2014, 03:23PM
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** wrote:

So troll it is.

More accurately, I am in the process of pointing out a troll to everyone else.

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#46 TigerUnderGlass
March 18 2014, 03:59PM
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** wrote:

Calm your tits, here have a cookie.

Caps are for emphasis. How does one "calm tits" exactly? That's cool though. What's a little misogyny to go with your hypocrisy.

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#47 Cold Hard Truth
March 18 2014, 05:17PM
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Craig MacTavish on Gagner, 2013:

"Sam has really developed into a leader here… he’s a guy that’s really developed into the type of character we want and that’s going to be important when I’m making the decisions, is that we have the type of culture in that room."

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#48 D
March 18 2014, 10:20AM
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Whatever the Oilers do, get a good return on the investment, please.

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#49 Doctor Smashy
March 18 2014, 10:24AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Freudian slip on my part there; naturally I meant Michal Handzus. Man Hanzal's a good player.

props to 1260 here...

Hanzal...He's so hot right now....

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#50 Rick
March 18 2014, 10:29AM
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Oilers have a talent for wanting to trade players when their value is the lowest.

I been saying trade Gagner forever, how come Oilers take so long to figure it out

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