AIRPORT '14?

Lowetide
March 02 2014 01:24PM


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Captain Canada. Mr. Oiler. Ryan freaking Smyth. Does he want to go? Can we endure one more airport moment? Is there a market? Oh my. This again.

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He's a part of us, just like Groat Road or the Wee Book Inn or Wanye or potholes are a part of us. Ryan Smyth is the kid who wanted so badly to be an Oiler and had his dream come true. His tearful exit years ago is a distant bell, but if there's a market—and he's willing—will we repeat the ordeal?

Oiler fans may not have a choice.

IS THERE A MARKET?

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Probably. Smyth is playing a depth role but has delivered offense in that role, and his possession numbers are well clear of most other Oilers. Smyth is having a good season


THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAHMMER

    (CORSI REL)

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This graph compares Smyth to his own teammates (Corsi Rel) in terms of shot differential. It shows us that he's playing tougher opposition and his zone starts are severe. This is the uphill battle area of the graph -- Smyth, Gordon, Hemsky and Perron are facing tough opps AND starting in their own zone a lot. Smyth's bubble color is rich blue, telling us he's doing an exceptional job compared to his teammates.

He's not perfect. Smyth's 5x5 offense is well down the list, but then again those zone starts and quality of competition impact those numbers in a big way.

Smyth is playing 15:30 a game in Edmonton, getting EV, PP and PK time every game. A contending team wouldn't necessarily need to use him as much, and Smyth might be a more effective player.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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These old guys may need a little extra TLC, but come in handy at playoff time. For an NHL team looking for an inexpensive veteran, Ryan Smyth looks like a viable option.

Just don't ask me to drive him to the airport. Or wave goodbye again.

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#51 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 06:17PM
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@**

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

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#52 Dalg
March 02 2014, 06:48PM
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That is the sweetest gif I have seen in a long time.

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#53 LoweBlow
March 02 2014, 07:13PM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

You're out of your mind. Get a psych assessment.

With the Oilers development staff, that'll never happen.

You're delusional.

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#54 Oliveoiler
March 02 2014, 07:34PM
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Smytty is the only player on the roster who is the true example of loyal to the Oil. Many of them should be boiled in oil.

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#55 Quicksilver ballet
March 02 2014, 07:50PM
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@**

There's how they're distributing the money issue as well. With overpays rampant throughout their best 8-10 players (if this ever happens) there'll be so little left to obtain any required depth players.

Unless there's some sort of (15%) Northern (B market) living allowance available to them, they may never be competitive again. Or, the Oilers could revolutionize the game and go with 3 lines and 3 sets of D (totally eliminate the 4th line) in hopes of cutting costs~

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#56 Robert Fraser
March 02 2014, 07:54PM
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Nelson wrote:

How does KLowe Mact, Smith, and Buchberger look at themselves in the mirror?

Simple.....as Larry, Moe and Curly........nuck nuck!

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#57 Chambers
March 02 2014, 08:15PM
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** wrote:

The Oilers have a grim, grim future ahead. Let's say Yak, Hall, Ebs and Nuge turn allright. LEt's say Justin SChultz figures it out. Let's say Scrivens is the real deal and Mac. T. keeps him. Gordon, PErron, Ference and Hendricks (and GAzdick at his particular job description) are game.

Let's even say Eakins figures it out too.

The Oilers still need the 2C that can play at both ends, the power winger, at least 2 more useful top 9 wingers who can score and check. A good back up goalie, and the most important, d men 1, 2 and 3. The Oilers don't have anything to trade for those guys without subtracting where it hurts. They are unable to attract top free agents. They have sucked at drafting top prospects outside the first overall pick.

IF they only started to get it right last summer, we're looking at at least 3 years before they can ice a competitive team.

This is not me being negative, this is not me pouncing on management, this is me just stringing some facts together.

Unfortunately the future is far grimmer than you paint it above. Your assumptions of the players you mention working out may be impossible. You see these young stars who grew up in an environment of winning have been engrained far too long in an Oiler culture of losing that will take many many years to overcome. In case you haven't noticed many of them have already given up on the Oilers and crave a change of scenery so this affects performance and ultimately winning. Also Oiler management does not have the skill set to pull off the major trade and does not recognize that you need to give up quality to attain quality! What further complicates things is that Oiler management has overpaid the young stars at an early stage of development creating expectations from others (Justin Schultz) that they deserve the same value contract.

As all Oiler fans are aware ownership has stopped listening to the fan base. Oiler fans will continue to be frustrated and they certainly deserve better!

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#58 D-Unit
March 02 2014, 08:18PM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

Ryan Smyth might get traded to Blues or Blackhawks I'm guessing. But honestly I don't care, I don't think anyone cares because we want the Oilers in the playoffs and our team might be the exact same next year which means another year of losing. MacT said he wants the draft picks back which means that we aren't getting players that we NEED from what we're trading away. I doubt anyone would want to sign here except for rookies because our team sucks and most players want to be on a contending team.

Deadline deals don't return a lot of useful players, especially players the Oil NEED. What kind of team is going to trade useful pieces for bit part players that hopefully help on a playoff run? For Smyth a draft pick is all that can be expected at this stage of his career. Asset management hopefully gets a draft pick for an expiring contract. Hemsky was available all summer, and with a year left on his contract MacT couldn't get useful pieces. For the Oilers to get needed players, something serious needs to be dealt, not aging players on deals expiring to UFA status.

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#59 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 08:18PM
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LoweBlow wrote:

You're out of your mind. Get a psych assessment.

With the Oilers development staff, that'll never happen.

You're delusional.

It's good to dream isn't it

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#60 D-Unit
March 02 2014, 08:23PM
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@Chambers

Agree with what you say. I just hope that MacT doesn't over pay or term J. Schultz. Bridge contract is the way to go with him, and hope he can get across the bridge. I am not sure he can. Same with Yak if he is still around.

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#61 Serious Gord
March 02 2014, 08:48PM
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Can he just retire and put us and himself out of our collective misery?

He's like old yeller out there (and Lowe tide is little Travis Coates).

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#62 Shredder
March 02 2014, 09:04PM
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It's about the next prospects...the defensemen. I say that because team Canada showed what it took to go all the way...team defense. And the last time we went far we had Pronger. So let's just chill and wait for Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin...and maybe Ekblad? Hopefully we still have Nuge by then.

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#63 HISAM SALEH
March 02 2014, 09:13PM
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How come Ryan Smyth didn't get the call from Stevie Y for team Canada in SOCHI?!

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#64 Dog Train
March 02 2014, 09:21PM
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I think the decision should be up to Smyth. If he wants to go take one last shot at the cup, then best of luck to us. If he wants to go down with the ship, then I hope he announces that he will retire at season's end so we can send him off with one last tearful hurrah. It's really sad that they twilight of his career is being wasted on such a circus squad.

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#65 oilers2k14
March 02 2014, 09:44PM
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Maybe some other fanbase can get used to the Smyth blueline clapper.

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#66 Casey
March 02 2014, 09:45PM
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Smyth for Ryan Suter, and Zach Parise would be a steal for Minnesota. They get a very dynamic, high octane scorer and a guy younger the Saku Koivu

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#67 Alsker
March 02 2014, 10:19PM
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62 hours left until we begin the debate on who we get(trade) for with the picks we acquired by moving our UFAs or the ranting for why the f*ck didnt MacT do anything. Im not sure which it will be, I just hope we're not asking why he moved guys off of OKC for picks!!!!

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#68 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 02 2014, 10:20PM
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I think I'm finally ready to admit the rebuild has failed. Spectacularly, at that. The guy above is right: defense comes first. Draft Ekblad, wait for him and Nurse to develop, hopefully Marincin is the real deal and Klefbom can find the next gear. Try to keep J Schultz. Only problem is, Nuge and Hall will probably be approaching UFA by that point. Beg Nuge to sign an extension, try to convince Hall (I can't see it happening).

Unless Bold Moves pulls some unspeakable deals out of his ass this off season, we'll probably have a great shot at drafting McDavid next year. And it's pretty sad with how much certainty I say that.

Infinibuild 2.0™ will be McDavid and Nuge as our 1C/2C, with Ekblad and Nurse as our 1st D-line. Of course, this is all five or so years down the road, so buckle up.

Also, tell me I didn't just see Jagr's O-face...

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#69 admiralmark
March 02 2014, 10:41PM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

It's good to dream isn't it

Yes it is. Keep on dreamin buddy. You forgot J Shultz = Paul Coffey though.

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#70 dangilitis
March 02 2014, 10:59PM
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Zarny wrote:

What nonsense. The Oilers offered Smyth 4-6 years @ $5-5.5M when he was 32.

He chose to leave for 5 yr @ $6.25M and only put up 37, 59, 53, 47 and 46 pts. Smyth was still more than competent but certainly didn't live up to that contract.

As for magic beans they got a 15th overall draft pick and two prospects each drafted 15th overall in the 1st round. They didn't work out but three 15th overall prospects/picks for an expiring contract was good return.

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

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#71 dangilitis
March 02 2014, 11:01PM
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Zarny wrote:

What nonsense. The Oilers offered Smyth 4-6 years @ $5-5.5M when he was 32.

He chose to leave for 5 yr @ $6.25M and only put up 37, 59, 53, 47 and 46 pts. Smyth was still more than competent but certainly didn't live up to that contract.

As for magic beans they got a 15th overall draft pick and two prospects each drafted 15th overall in the 1st round. They didn't work out but three 15th overall prospects/picks for an expiring contract was good return.

And seriously, if you want to hate on Smyth, you are not an Oilers fan. Honestly and truly, you might as well go to the Saddledome and buy a Byron jersey...

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#72 Alsker
March 02 2014, 11:26PM
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@Jordan Nugent-Hallkins

Unfortunately you're right on all points. Dont forget, the guys that f*cked up rebuild 1.0 are still the ones making the decisions on rebuild 2.0. I think you're right on your timeline of 5 years, just hope they(mgt) have the patience for it and dont panic causing rebuild 3.0(I"m too old for a 15 year rebuild)

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#73 Zarny
March 02 2014, 11:47PM
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dangilitis wrote:

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

I'd point out the obvious question of are you dumb but the answer is rhetorical.

Lowe panicked? Good grief, this isn't the Kardashians.

Yes, it was a negotiation. The Oilers offered 4-6 yrs @ $5M before the season started and Smyth turned it down. They offered closer to $5.5M over the same term during the year and Smyth didn't take it. He wanted more and the Oilers weren't willing to overpay. So they did what virtually every team does with an expiring contract they can't resign and traded him.

That's not panic; that's basic asset management.

Smyth's performance didn't warrant what the Oilers offered let alone what he signed for. Sorry but that's just how it went. That doesn't mean he was a bad player but he didn't live up to $5.5M let alone $6.25M.

And no it didn't turn out to be a good trade but most trades don't. That doesn't change the fact the Oilers got 3 15th overall prospects and picks out of the Islanders for what turned out to be a rental. Making a bad selection with the pick doesn't make it bad return.

Get a grip.

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#74 sandy
March 02 2014, 11:52PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I think I'm finally ready to admit the rebuild has failed. Spectacularly, at that. The guy above is right: defense comes first. Draft Ekblad, wait for him and Nurse to develop, hopefully Marincin is the real deal and Klefbom can find the next gear. Try to keep J Schultz. Only problem is, Nuge and Hall will probably be approaching UFA by that point. Beg Nuge to sign an extension, try to convince Hall (I can't see it happening).

Unless Bold Moves pulls some unspeakable deals out of his ass this off season, we'll probably have a great shot at drafting McDavid next year. And it's pretty sad with how much certainty I say that.

Infinibuild 2.0™ will be McDavid and Nuge as our 1C/2C, with Ekblad and Nurse as our 1st D-line. Of course, this is all five or so years down the road, so buckle up.

Also, tell me I didn't just see Jagr's O-face...

glad you're caught up

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#75 RexHolez
March 02 2014, 11:55PM
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Zarny wrote:

I'd point out the obvious question of are you dumb but the answer is rhetorical.

Lowe panicked? Good grief, this isn't the Kardashians.

Yes, it was a negotiation. The Oilers offered 4-6 yrs @ $5M before the season started and Smyth turned it down. They offered closer to $5.5M over the same term during the year and Smyth didn't take it. He wanted more and the Oilers weren't willing to overpay. So they did what virtually every team does with an expiring contract they can't resign and traded him.

That's not panic; that's basic asset management.

Smyth's performance didn't warrant what the Oilers offered let alone what he signed for. Sorry but that's just how it went. That doesn't mean he was a bad player but he didn't live up to $5.5M let alone $6.25M.

And no it didn't turn out to be a good trade but most trades don't. That doesn't change the fact the Oilers got 3 15th overall prospects and picks out of the Islanders for what turned out to be a rental. Making a bad selection with the pick doesn't make it bad return.

Get a grip.

yup, im glad Lowe didn't over pay and used that cap space on more important areas to stay competitive! oh, wait...

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#76 nuge2nail
March 02 2014, 11:57PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

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#77 VK63
March 03 2014, 12:07AM
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I would equate being traded from this team to being released from prison. Thus any tears shed by the old warrior will be of joy.

He has put in an admirable shift pulling the old stone boat, and is one of few who can lay his head down at night and make a case for earning his wages.

as for some of his co workers. thief comes to mind.

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#78 Alexander
March 03 2014, 12:17AM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

The first two, maybe, in a few years and under PROPER coaching!

Hall to MESSIER? Not in a million years!

I knew Mark up-close and personal for many years in his Edmonton days. The fire and desire and compete of that man can not be duplicated by Hall at any level. No disrespect meant to the kid but he does not have that deep from within fire and he has too much of a sense of an entitlement.

Mark was a MAN very early in his hockey career, a take-charge, go-all-out-against-anyone-anytime-anywhere kind of guy. Even in his own team's dressing room. He instilled fear and respect.

Any of those qualities in Hall? If they exist, I missed them on every turn (and shift of his) in the last 4 seasons...

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#79 spliff
March 03 2014, 04:35AM
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The Oilers are truly screwed. KLoser let the worst GM in team history screw up the team for five years, and after he finally fires him, hires a rookie GM. MacT will eventually learn the ropes, but how long will this take? And why would KLowe hire a rookie GM, who will need to learn on the job, when he has a fed-up fanbase who want to see results from a wavering rebuild? Do KLowe and Katz even think about this stuff?

Then the rookie GM makes his first mistake, which he will never admit, by hiring a rookie coach. What a sh*tshow, and many of these mistakes could have been avoided with some simple foresight.

Add to this the fact the Oilers scouting department and player development is arguably the worst in the league. This is a recipe for finishing in lottery position year after year after year.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers.

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#80 JJ
March 03 2014, 05:34AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

So when's the domination coming, sometime this century?

What a stupid intro comment. I guess these are the types referred to as 'Life long Oiler fans'.

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#81 DevoKnows
March 03 2014, 06:56AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

Patience Grasshopper! Give The Oil Mngmnt time, to break down there Heart and Will like they did to the rest of the team!!!

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#82 Oilerfan
March 03 2014, 08:13AM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

You're way off:

RNH - God

Hall - Jeebus

Yak - Russian Jeebus

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#83 Cain
March 03 2014, 08:18AM
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dangilitis wrote:

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

Or... Ryan Smyth and his agent were trying to hold the Oilers over a barrel and stubbornly overplayed their hand for what they thought Ryan Smyth was worth...they were wrong and the Oilers traded Smyth. Smyth and his agent over-estimated his worth to the team exactly like you are over-estimating his worth to the team right now. Want proof of the over-estimation on the part Of Smyth? Watch all those crocodile tears at the airport. Was he crying because the Oilers didn't want him? No, the Oilers offered him a contract for millions of dollars to stay here and play hockey. He was crying because he wanted more money than he was worth to the Oilers, and they told him to get stuffed...

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#84 NsxZero
March 03 2014, 08:20AM
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Send Smyth off to a contender and hopefully he'll win a cup before he retires. Maybe he'll bring it back to Edmonton, it'll be the closest that we'll get to the cup for a long while...

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#85 NsxZero
March 03 2014, 08:25AM
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Off topic and might be old news but Kreuger is working for a soccer (football) club in the UK.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26328115

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#86 dougtheslug
March 03 2014, 08:40AM
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Isn't it demoralizing that the Oilers are a lottery team and come to the 2014 draft with a first and fourth round pick and nothing else, and no forward prospects in OKC other than Lander, Arcobello, and Pitlick, whereas a team like Anaheim is a cup contender, has 2 firsts and 2 seconds in the 2014 draft and a boatload of decent prospects in Norfolk in the AHL. You can blame Tambo for some of this mess but MacT has been happily trading away picks as well, and MBS has not exactly been impressing with his picks of late. This organization is so amateurish it makes you want to cry.

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#87 Rod from Viking
March 03 2014, 09:10AM
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The way I remember the Smyth trade going down(I even remember where I was when I heard the news)It was Don Meenhan re-assuring Smyth that the Oilers would pay his demands and he was not to worry. Kevin Lowe had put a time deadline on it getting done because he had one from the Islanders, Ryan Smyth's tears and sadness was real, this was a case of the agent screwing up. Kevin Lowe made a lot of bad decisions but I never felt this was one of them, if I recall correctly they were $200k/year apart.

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#88 Walter Sobchak
March 03 2014, 09:28AM
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Zarny wrote:

I'd point out the obvious question of are you dumb but the answer is rhetorical.

Lowe panicked? Good grief, this isn't the Kardashians.

Yes, it was a negotiation. The Oilers offered 4-6 yrs @ $5M before the season started and Smyth turned it down. They offered closer to $5.5M over the same term during the year and Smyth didn't take it. He wanted more and the Oilers weren't willing to overpay. So they did what virtually every team does with an expiring contract they can't resign and traded him.

That's not panic; that's basic asset management.

Smyth's performance didn't warrant what the Oilers offered let alone what he signed for. Sorry but that's just how it went. That doesn't mean he was a bad player but he didn't live up to $5.5M let alone $6.25M.

And no it didn't turn out to be a good trade but most trades don't. That doesn't change the fact the Oilers got 3 15th overall prospects and picks out of the Islanders for what turned out to be a rental. Making a bad selection with the pick doesn't make it bad return.

Get a grip.

Lowe got hosed here as New York received Smyth, who was still in his prime, the Oilers received almost nothing. Nilsson had a terrible work ethic & Lowe had to call his DAD to come help. O’Marra was injuried prior to even coming to the Oilers, and while Plante is just an accumulation of fail on Lowes behalf, the Oilers could have picked almost anybody past 15th and got a player.

You are forgetting the whole point of Smyth being traded in the first place; Smyth wanted 5.7 after GIVING the OILERS a home town discount (3.1) for his whole career. Smyth stood firm LOWE TRADED HIM OVER 100 K…………………………………….

That’s Lowe for you.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/oilers-regret-having-to-trade-ryan-smyth-1.644367

http://lowetide.ca/blog/2008/02/smyth-trade-revisited.html

Lousing up the Mike Comrie for Corey Perry trade by asking at the 11th hour that Anaheim reimburse the Oilers for Comrie’s signing bonus. Just incase you forgot that one too.

This is also the same time the Oilers decided to whale hunt, letting players like Glencross go so they could try and buy players like Hossa, Nylander eta al.

This also is the time, to those that follow the Oilers close, the start of the first re-build.

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#89 Johnnydapunk
March 03 2014, 10:09AM
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Apparently the Oil have signed Scrivens to a 2 year deal worth just over 2 mill a year according to TSN..

I will say well played MacT, well played.

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#90 BingBong
March 03 2014, 10:12AM
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So we have 1 goalie signed, not necessarily a starter. Does MacT try to get a guy like Hiller, and use Scrivens as a backup? Or will he get a vet goalie like Halak to split the time?

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#91 nuge2nail
March 03 2014, 10:24AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

MacT has done a great job in his first 5 months of taking over.

Not perfect, not amazing ... But great.

Scrivens signing is another example of that.

1. Perron Trade

2. Horcoff Trade

3. Dubnyk Trade

4. Scrivens Trade

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#92 Johnnydapunk
March 03 2014, 10:46AM
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Dubnyk placed on waivers today, I would be curious to know who would sign/resign him in the off season?

Have a feeling it's the end of the NHL highway for him.

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#93 pkam
March 03 2014, 10:49AM
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BingBong wrote:

So we have 1 goalie signed, not necessarily a starter. Does MacT try to get a guy like Hiller, and use Scrivens as a backup? Or will he get a vet goalie like Halak to split the time?

You don't sign a 27 year old at 2.3M a year to be your backup. We have to find out whether Scrivens is the man by the end of this 2 year bridge contract, and we won't be able to by playing him 25-30 games a season.

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#94 Zarf
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Agreed, Rod from Viking.

It’s always – always – been my belief that the Smyth Trade in 2007 was Don Meehan’s fault. If what we were told at the time was true, the Oilers and Smyth were somewhere between $100,000 and $200,000 apart on a deal. That’s not a big gap … certainly not one that would have prompted either side to walk away.

The thing that always – always – floors me about that day was the complete lack of follow-up on that point. I don’t recall anyone talking to Don Meehan about what happened or attempting to piece together the chain of events from that day. I do remember the trade was reported fairly late upon the deadline – and, I think, it actually did happen quite late.

But no one in Edmonton who reports on the Oilers ever seemed very interested in finding out how, after several months of negotiations, things were allowed to linger on to the 11th hour like they did. We can all(reflexively) blame K-Lowe for that but I’ve always believed the players always hold the right-of-last-refusal in any contract negotiation. They’re the ones who make the decision to stay or go, based on what their agent does for them … and tells them. And, in the case of Smyth in 2007, I don’t think Meehan did a very good job advising his client.

Put this this way: If six months of hardball negotiations come down to a $100,000 gap that results in your client bawling all the way through the airport of a city and team he never wanted to leave, you screwed up as an agent.

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#95 Randaman
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You don't sign a 27 year old at 2.3M a year to be your backup. We have to find out whether Scrivens is the man by the end of this 2 year bridge contract, and we won't be able to by playing him 25-30 games a season.

Exactly! Who says Scrivens can't be a starter? TSN analysts, armchair GM's, etc?. Who knew Osgood would be a starter? There is not only one way to become a starter in this league.

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#96 loweblows
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Larsen put on waivers..making room for?? klefbom or fedun?

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#97 pkam
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Larsen put on waivers..making room for?? klefbom or fedun?

I believe he was on IR before. I bet he is getting healthy now so we need to send one player to OKC.

Seems like MacT chooses to keep Marincin over him to stay.

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#98 Rod from Viking
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@Zarf

Agree completely, hearing Meehan talk on "Oilers Now" the last couple of years he seems to go out of his way to say what a great place Edmonton is, a little remorse maybe?

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#99 BingBong
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pkam wrote:

You don't sign a 27 year old at 2.3M a year to be your backup. We have to find out whether Scrivens is the man by the end of this 2 year bridge contract, and we won't be able to by playing him 25-30 games a season.

I know Scrivens has played well, but I wouldn't be comfortable declaring him our starter next year without a legitimate backup plan. Maybe not Hiller per se, but a vet who's capable of playing a lot of minutes if Scrivens faulters. (Halak, Elliot, etc.)

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#100 hankthetank
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Oil shopping bryz to minn...looks like we are still looking for a starter after signing scrivenator?

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