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Lowetide
March 02 2014 01:24PM


smyth

Captain Canada. Mr. Oiler. Ryan freaking Smyth. Does he want to go? Can we endure one more airport moment? Is there a market? Oh my. This again.

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He's a part of us, just like Groat Road or the Wee Book Inn or Wanye or potholes are a part of us. Ryan Smyth is the kid who wanted so badly to be an Oiler and had his dream come true. His tearful exit years ago is a distant bell, but if there's a market—and he's willing—will we repeat the ordeal?

Oiler fans may not have a choice.

IS THERE A MARKET?

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Probably. Smyth is playing a depth role but has delivered offense in that role, and his possession numbers are well clear of most other Oilers. Smyth is having a good season


THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAHMMER

    (CORSI REL)

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This graph compares Smyth to his own teammates (Corsi Rel) in terms of shot differential. It shows us that he's playing tougher opposition and his zone starts are severe. This is the uphill battle area of the graph -- Smyth, Gordon, Hemsky and Perron are facing tough opps AND starting in their own zone a lot. Smyth's bubble color is rich blue, telling us he's doing an exceptional job compared to his teammates.

He's not perfect. Smyth's 5x5 offense is well down the list, but then again those zone starts and quality of competition impact those numbers in a big way.

Smyth is playing 15:30 a game in Edmonton, getting EV, PP and PK time every game. A contending team wouldn't necessarily need to use him as much, and Smyth might be a more effective player.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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These old guys may need a little extra TLC, but come in handy at playoff time. For an NHL team looking for an inexpensive veteran, Ryan Smyth looks like a viable option.

Just don't ask me to drive him to the airport. Or wave goodbye again.

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#51 Johnnydapunk
March 03 2014, 10:09AM
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Apparently the Oil have signed Scrivens to a 2 year deal worth just over 2 mill a year according to TSN..

I will say well played MacT, well played.

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#52 D-Unit
March 02 2014, 08:18PM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

Ryan Smyth might get traded to Blues or Blackhawks I'm guessing. But honestly I don't care, I don't think anyone cares because we want the Oilers in the playoffs and our team might be the exact same next year which means another year of losing. MacT said he wants the draft picks back which means that we aren't getting players that we NEED from what we're trading away. I doubt anyone would want to sign here except for rookies because our team sucks and most players want to be on a contending team.

Deadline deals don't return a lot of useful players, especially players the Oil NEED. What kind of team is going to trade useful pieces for bit part players that hopefully help on a playoff run? For Smyth a draft pick is all that can be expected at this stage of his career. Asset management hopefully gets a draft pick for an expiring contract. Hemsky was available all summer, and with a year left on his contract MacT couldn't get useful pieces. For the Oilers to get needed players, something serious needs to be dealt, not aging players on deals expiring to UFA status.

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#53 D-Unit
March 02 2014, 08:23PM
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@Chambers

Agree with what you say. I just hope that MacT doesn't over pay or term J. Schultz. Bridge contract is the way to go with him, and hope he can get across the bridge. I am not sure he can. Same with Yak if he is still around.

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#54 NsxZero
March 03 2014, 08:20AM
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Send Smyth off to a contender and hopefully he'll win a cup before he retires. Maybe he'll bring it back to Edmonton, it'll be the closest that we'll get to the cup for a long while...

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#55 Rod from Viking
March 02 2014, 02:38PM
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Gofucoffee wrote:

Maybe we can package Hall Nuge Ebs Yak and Smitty for Johnny Toews? Sorry prob not enough. What a beauty, I'll throw in three years of first rounders to get that done.

We would probably have to take back Keith and Hossa as well to make it fit under the cap for the Hawks (lol)

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#56 Walter Sobchak
March 02 2014, 02:47PM
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I wonder if St. Louis show's a little interest in Smyth?

I can see Smyth taking Paajarvi or Reaves place.

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#57 Zarny
March 02 2014, 05:37PM
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There is certainly a market for Smyth. He is this year's Brendan Morrow. Well past his prime but experienced, battle tested and versatile. Exactly the type of depth and injury insurance contenders are looking for. It's not a blockbuster deal and I wouldn't expect any tears from Smyth.

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#58 Zarny
March 02 2014, 05:57PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

I honestly just hope that whatever happens to Smytty, it is on his terms. He is owed that. Watching last year's Iginla saga, it was clear that the Flames did right by him. Was probably bad for business (the Bruins deal was a better one, and looks silly now that he's a big bad Bruin), but no one was really laughing at the Flames for poor management.

What happened to Smyth 7 years was the first of many black marks for this organization, and trading away the last 2 players from the 05-06 cup run for magic beans while they remain competent players within assigned roles, will surely be a symbolic way to show the city how far this team has fallen (as if we didn't have enough reminders).

To those who expevt Smyth to be the Smytty of old, then call him past his "best before date" if you must. But as a 4th line WINGER (that's right, not center), I would like to see him back for 1 more year.

But if he is traded, let's all wish that he can finally deliver on what he promised at that airport 7 years ago.

What nonsense. The Oilers offered Smyth 4-6 years @ $5-5.5M when he was 32.

He chose to leave for 5 yr @ $6.25M and only put up 37, 59, 53, 47 and 46 pts. Smyth was still more than competent but certainly didn't live up to that contract.

As for magic beans they got a 15th overall draft pick and two prospects each drafted 15th overall in the 1st round. They didn't work out but three 15th overall prospects/picks for an expiring contract was good return.

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#59 Alsker
March 02 2014, 10:19PM
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62 hours left until we begin the debate on who we get(trade) for with the picks we acquired by moving our UFAs or the ranting for why the f*ck didnt MacT do anything. Im not sure which it will be, I just hope we're not asking why he moved guys off of OKC for picks!!!!

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#60 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 01:33PM
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I was just going to say on the last blog. That the next one will be LT or JW. Mr Brownleee covered the last depressing post game blog. A Gregor pro Eakins blog will be ripped. This was the only way. Thanks LT. I live in St Albert. Love your show. Maybe run into you at Safeway some day.

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#61 Robert Fraser
March 02 2014, 03:42PM
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Nelson wrote:

How does KLowe Mact, Smith, and Buchberger look at themselves in the mirror?

Simple......Larry, Moe and Curly Nuck Nuck!

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
March 02 2014, 07:50PM
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@**

There's how they're distributing the money issue as well. With overpays rampant throughout their best 8-10 players (if this ever happens) there'll be so little left to obtain any required depth players.

Unless there's some sort of (15%) Northern (B market) living allowance available to them, they may never be competitive again. Or, the Oilers could revolutionize the game and go with 3 lines and 3 sets of D (totally eliminate the 4th line) in hopes of cutting costs~

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#63 Shredder
March 02 2014, 09:04PM
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It's about the next prospects...the defensemen. I say that because team Canada showed what it took to go all the way...team defense. And the last time we went far we had Pronger. So let's just chill and wait for Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin...and maybe Ekblad? Hopefully we still have Nuge by then.

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#64 HISAM SALEH
March 02 2014, 09:13PM
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How come Ryan Smyth didn't get the call from Stevie Y for team Canada in SOCHI?!

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#65 oilers2k14
March 02 2014, 09:44PM
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Maybe some other fanbase can get used to the Smyth blueline clapper.

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#66 Rod from Viking
March 02 2014, 03:25PM
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Sevenseven wrote:

For christ sakes, if the guy doesnt want to leave, do not trade him. Let him retire an Oiler. It looks horrible to the rest of the league if you push a vetern guy out. The flames handled kipper with respect, lets do the same. Only push smyth out if he wants to go. I hope a contender does ask for him, and he agrees to go. Then hire him back for one day to retire him as an Oiler, and hopefully with a stanley cup ring on his finger.

I know he said he would be flattered if a contender wanted him but I don't know if he wants to go, you would think he would.

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#67 Rod from Viking
March 02 2014, 03:28PM
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? wrote:

"2 way center"

lmao

#gagsblows

:)

I was being sarcastic, he is a way too easy to play against and way too slow of a center, that is as close as he gets.

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#68 RexHolez
March 02 2014, 04:28PM
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Oilers have bigger problems to worry about than getting some sort of mid pick for smytty. He can do whatever he wants. Now, the real question is how is this team gonna win games next year?? Looks like they'll win 25 this year. What's the plan to get this team out of being the emberassment that it is??

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#69 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 06:17PM
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@**

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

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#70 nuge2nail
March 03 2014, 10:24AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

MacT has done a great job in his first 5 months of taking over.

Not perfect, not amazing ... But great.

Scrivens signing is another example of that.

1. Perron Trade

2. Horcoff Trade

3. Dubnyk Trade

4. Scrivens Trade

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#71 Oiler101
March 02 2014, 01:42PM
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To bad that other boy band took the name "one direction"

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#72 Oiler Al
March 02 2014, 05:42PM
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Bushed77 wrote:

How about Smyth and Hemmer to the same playoff team?

Game 7 SCF in the third OT, coach puts them out together on a hunch and Hemmer feeds Smytty for a side of the goal-mouth tap-in!

That would be poetic on so many levels...

Wont happen, Hemsky goes off side coming over the blue line and turns the puck over in the corner.

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#73 Randaman
March 03 2014, 10:59AM
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pkam wrote:

You don't sign a 27 year old at 2.3M a year to be your backup. We have to find out whether Scrivens is the man by the end of this 2 year bridge contract, and we won't be able to by playing him 25-30 games a season.

Exactly! Who says Scrivens can't be a starter? TSN analysts, armchair GM's, etc?. Who knew Osgood would be a starter? There is not only one way to become a starter in this league.

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#74 Noooo!!!
March 03 2014, 11:39AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

For the itty bitty return the Oil would get, i think that the franchise should show some respect and ask Ryan Smyth what he would like, and then honour that. Yeah, it's a business, but it's a PEOPLE business.

They talk about having pride for the uniform, but sometimes the pride is from the men who wear the uniform. As an Oiler fan I am proud that a player like Smytty wanted to come back here. Don't tarnish it, please, MacT.

Sentimental actions are for amateur sports. This is a professional sport and therefore,a business.

Get everything and anything you can for Smyth or anyone else who is traded. They are being paid to do a job, and being paid well to do it...

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#75 Bucknuck
March 03 2014, 12:21PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Silly to claim tambo was the worst ever. Dozens were. Just of the top of my head I will give just one who really is in the running for worst ever:

Mike milbury.

As for MacT he has made zero 1-2 line moves. Just Pygmy trades. Should moved gagner. Should have moved hemsky or bought him out. He chronically overvalued his assets and thus is on the sidelines when the big fish are in play.

Perron plays on the second line.

Ference is a top four defender.

Scrivens is a starter.

Your statement is false.

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#76 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 01:54PM
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No no no. smyth gets a third or better. Or he doesn't go. What are the odds of a 4th or worse pick making the NHL? smyth for a second or f o f f.

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#77 Justin
March 02 2014, 03:34PM
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Since Oilers are not a real NHL team they should spot Oilers goals to make them feel better.

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#78 Mason Storm
March 02 2014, 04:08PM
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Max wrote:

I'd like to see #94 get a Stanley Cup, I'd like to have him resign and retire an Oiler, then be on the coaching staff. I'd like to never have to listen to Eakins spouting off again (meaning he's gone) and I'd like the so called "young guns" to stop taking their fat salaries for granted and actually EARN the money. I'd like to hold my head high when saying I'm an Oilers' fan and I'd also like to win the lottery - right now there's more chance of that than anything else.

If you mean the draft lottery, then yeah, there's a great chance at winning that

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#79 Rod from Viking
March 02 2014, 04:22PM
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@Boys on the Short Bus

Those are funny comments about Canucks, very true about Smitty , the Canuck coaching and management are trying to take over from the Oilers with their bone head contracts and decisions, I can see this team becoming a place players won't want to go as well and missing the play-offs for a few years.

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#80 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 06:03PM
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Ryan Smyth might get traded to Blues or Blackhawks I'm guessing. But honestly I don't care, I don't think anyone cares because we want the Oilers in the playoffs and our team might be the exact same next year which means another year of losing. MacT said he wants the draft picks back which means that we aren't getting players that we NEED from what we're trading away. I doubt anyone would want to sign here except for rookies because our team sucks and most players want to be on a contending team.

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#81 Alexander
March 03 2014, 12:17AM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

The first two, maybe, in a few years and under PROPER coaching!

Hall to MESSIER? Not in a million years!

I knew Mark up-close and personal for many years in his Edmonton days. The fire and desire and compete of that man can not be duplicated by Hall at any level. No disrespect meant to the kid but he does not have that deep from within fire and he has too much of a sense of an entitlement.

Mark was a MAN very early in his hockey career, a take-charge, go-all-out-against-anyone-anytime-anywhere kind of guy. Even in his own team's dressing room. He instilled fear and respect.

Any of those qualities in Hall? If they exist, I missed them on every turn (and shift of his) in the last 4 seasons...

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#82 Rod from Viking
March 03 2014, 09:10AM
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The way I remember the Smyth trade going down(I even remember where I was when I heard the news)It was Don Meenhan re-assuring Smyth that the Oilers would pay his demands and he was not to worry. Kevin Lowe had put a time deadline on it getting done because he had one from the Islanders, Ryan Smyth's tears and sadness was real, this was a case of the agent screwing up. Kevin Lowe made a lot of bad decisions but I never felt this was one of them, if I recall correctly they were $200k/year apart.

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#83 Johnnydapunk
March 03 2014, 10:46AM
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Dubnyk placed on waivers today, I would be curious to know who would sign/resign him in the off season?

Have a feeling it's the end of the NHL highway for him.

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#84 NsxZero
March 03 2014, 12:56PM
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@Serious Gord

I still don't know why you would want the Oilers to buy Hemsky out. We're not in a state of being strapped for salary room and come this deadline we might be getting a mid pick for him rather than buying him out and having another team sign him for free.

Having him traded is an argument but I have no idea why you would want him bought out.

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#85 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 08:18PM
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God wrote:

You're out of your mind. Get a psych assessment.

With the Oilers development staff, that'll never happen.

You're delusional.

It's good to dream isn't it

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#86 DevoKnows
March 03 2014, 06:56AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

Patience Grasshopper! Give The Oil Mngmnt time, to break down there Heart and Will like they did to the rest of the team!!!

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#87 Cain
March 03 2014, 08:18AM
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dangilitis wrote:

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

Or... Ryan Smyth and his agent were trying to hold the Oilers over a barrel and stubbornly overplayed their hand for what they thought Ryan Smyth was worth...they were wrong and the Oilers traded Smyth. Smyth and his agent over-estimated his worth to the team exactly like you are over-estimating his worth to the team right now. Want proof of the over-estimation on the part Of Smyth? Watch all those crocodile tears at the airport. Was he crying because the Oilers didn't want him? No, the Oilers offered him a contract for millions of dollars to stay here and play hockey. He was crying because he wanted more money than he was worth to the Oilers, and they told him to get stuffed...

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#88 Zarf
March 03 2014, 10:55AM
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Agreed, Rod from Viking.

It’s always – always – been my belief that the Smyth Trade in 2007 was Don Meehan’s fault. If what we were told at the time was true, the Oilers and Smyth were somewhere between $100,000 and $200,000 apart on a deal. That’s not a big gap … certainly not one that would have prompted either side to walk away.

The thing that always – always – floors me about that day was the complete lack of follow-up on that point. I don’t recall anyone talking to Don Meehan about what happened or attempting to piece together the chain of events from that day. I do remember the trade was reported fairly late upon the deadline – and, I think, it actually did happen quite late.

But no one in Edmonton who reports on the Oilers ever seemed very interested in finding out how, after several months of negotiations, things were allowed to linger on to the 11th hour like they did. We can all(reflexively) blame K-Lowe for that but I’ve always believed the players always hold the right-of-last-refusal in any contract negotiation. They’re the ones who make the decision to stay or go, based on what their agent does for them … and tells them. And, in the case of Smyth in 2007, I don’t think Meehan did a very good job advising his client.

Put this this way: If six months of hardball negotiations come down to a $100,000 gap that results in your client bawling all the way through the airport of a city and team he never wanted to leave, you screwed up as an agent.

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#89 jake
March 02 2014, 03:35PM
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When I think of 94 and trade, I think of that post-trade death march in spring 2007, which then makes me think of that Bisaillon emergency call-up. I just read a french article on him, playing in Ligue Magnus in France. He said his best memory in his hockey career was playing in those 2 NHL games for the Oilers some 7 years ago, both losses to Vancouver and Colorado.

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#90 @Oilanderp
March 02 2014, 04:45PM
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You deserve a Cup™ Smytty! I hope you beat Hemmer's team in the finals!

Gob help us all.

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#91 pkam
March 03 2014, 10:49AM
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BingBong wrote:

So we have 1 goalie signed, not necessarily a starter. Does MacT try to get a guy like Hiller, and use Scrivens as a backup? Or will he get a vet goalie like Halak to split the time?

You don't sign a 27 year old at 2.3M a year to be your backup. We have to find out whether Scrivens is the man by the end of this 2 year bridge contract, and we won't be able to by playing him 25-30 games a season.

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#92 pkam
March 03 2014, 11:07AM
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loweblows wrote:

Larsen put on waivers..making room for?? klefbom or fedun?

I believe he was on IR before. I bet he is getting healthy now so we need to send one player to OKC.

Seems like MacT chooses to keep Marincin over him to stay.

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#93 RexHolez
March 02 2014, 04:44PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

I honestly just hope that whatever happens to Smytty, it is on his terms. He is owed that. Watching last year's Iginla saga, it was clear that the Flames did right by him. Was probably bad for business (the Bruins deal was a better one, and looks silly now that he's a big bad Bruin), but no one was really laughing at the Flames for poor management.

What happened to Smyth 7 years was the first of many black marks for this organization, and trading away the last 2 players from the 05-06 cup run for magic beans while they remain competent players within assigned roles, will surely be a symbolic way to show the city how far this team has fallen (as if we didn't have enough reminders).

To those who expevt Smyth to be the Smytty of old, then call him past his "best before date" if you must. But as a 4th line WINGER (that's right, not center), I would like to see him back for 1 more year.

But if he is traded, let's all wish that he can finally deliver on what he promised at that airport 7 years ago.

Lets go over those black marks.... We'll call it Kevin Lowes resume......

Pronger, Smytty, Souray, Comrie. 2tier fans.... Etc

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#94 sandy
March 02 2014, 11:52PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I think I'm finally ready to admit the rebuild has failed. Spectacularly, at that. The guy above is right: defense comes first. Draft Ekblad, wait for him and Nurse to develop, hopefully Marincin is the real deal and Klefbom can find the next gear. Try to keep J Schultz. Only problem is, Nuge and Hall will probably be approaching UFA by that point. Beg Nuge to sign an extension, try to convince Hall (I can't see it happening).

Unless Bold Moves pulls some unspeakable deals out of his ass this off season, we'll probably have a great shot at drafting McDavid next year. And it's pretty sad with how much certainty I say that.

Infinibuild 2.0™ will be McDavid and Nuge as our 1C/2C, with Ekblad and Nurse as our 1st D-line. Of course, this is all five or so years down the road, so buckle up.

Also, tell me I didn't just see Jagr's O-face...

glad you're caught up

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#95 Oilerfan
March 03 2014, 08:13AM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

You're way off:

RNH - God

Hall - Jeebus

Yak - Russian Jeebus

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#96 BingBong
March 03 2014, 10:12AM
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So we have 1 goalie signed, not necessarily a starter. Does MacT try to get a guy like Hiller, and use Scrivens as a backup? Or will he get a vet goalie like Halak to split the time?

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#97 hankthetank
March 03 2014, 11:23AM
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Oil shopping bryz to minn...looks like we are still looking for a starter after signing scrivenator?

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#98 D
March 03 2014, 11:52AM
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Noooo!!! wrote:

Sentimental actions are for amateur sports. This is a professional sport and therefore,a business.

Get everything and anything you can for Smyth or anyone else who is traded. They are being paid to do a job, and being paid well to do it...

@Noooo!!! - Your view is what could be referred to as the "Peter Pocklington" way of running a business. Bucknuck's view would fall into the Mike Ilitch model.

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#99 nuge2nail
March 03 2014, 12:38PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Silly to claim tambo was the worst ever. Dozens were. Just of the top of my head I will give just one who really is in the running for worst ever:

Mike milbury.

As for MacT he has made zero 1-2 line moves. Just Pygmy trades. Should moved gagner. Should have moved hemsky or bought him out. He chronically overvalued his assets and thus is on the sidelines when the big fish are in play.

Oiler Domination To Follow

Lol silly to claim hey...

3 first overall picks in 4 years...

I don't know how anyone could possibly be worse...

Has any team in history ever won 4 first overall picks in a row..

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March 02 2014, 05:46PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I was being sarcastic, he is a way too easy to play against and way too slow of a center, that is as close as he gets.

Lol I know you were being sarcastic :)

I was just ready to continue dumping on Gagner. It's as more fun than watching this team play..

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