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Lowetide
March 02 2014 01:24PM


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Captain Canada. Mr. Oiler. Ryan freaking Smyth. Does he want to go? Can we endure one more airport moment? Is there a market? Oh my. This again.

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He's a part of us, just like Groat Road or the Wee Book Inn or Wanye or potholes are a part of us. Ryan Smyth is the kid who wanted so badly to be an Oiler and had his dream come true. His tearful exit years ago is a distant bell, but if there's a market—and he's willing—will we repeat the ordeal?

Oiler fans may not have a choice.

IS THERE A MARKET?

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Probably. Smyth is playing a depth role but has delivered offense in that role, and his possession numbers are well clear of most other Oilers. Smyth is having a good season


THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAHMMER

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This graph compares Smyth to his own teammates (Corsi Rel) in terms of shot differential. It shows us that he's playing tougher opposition and his zone starts are severe. This is the uphill battle area of the graph -- Smyth, Gordon, Hemsky and Perron are facing tough opps AND starting in their own zone a lot. Smyth's bubble color is rich blue, telling us he's doing an exceptional job compared to his teammates.

He's not perfect. Smyth's 5x5 offense is well down the list, but then again those zone starts and quality of competition impact those numbers in a big way.

Smyth is playing 15:30 a game in Edmonton, getting EV, PP and PK time every game. A contending team wouldn't necessarily need to use him as much, and Smyth might be a more effective player.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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These old guys may need a little extra TLC, but come in handy at playoff time. For an NHL team looking for an inexpensive veteran, Ryan Smyth looks like a viable option.

Just don't ask me to drive him to the airport. Or wave goodbye again.

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#1 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 06:17PM
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I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

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#2 Jerry
March 02 2014, 01:36PM
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What does it all mean? What does it matter ? Oilers are not an NHL team. They ruin players. Stats are for losers. Results matter.

Oilers organization do a lot of talking , saying all the right things. Watch my feet not my mouth. They are losers.

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#3 Chambers
March 02 2014, 05:20PM
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As a Flames fan I would like to see the other 29 GM's lobby the NHL to ban the Oilers from drafting first overall AGAIN! This is getting ridiculous and shattering dreams of yet another young star should be a non starter!

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#4 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
March 02 2014, 01:54PM
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Retsinnab5 wrote:

My prediction: Smyth gets traded to a top 4 team for a 4th round pick, then in the summer he resigns for 1 more year with Edmonton

I'd rather see a 1-day contract so Smytty can retire an Oiler, but another year, sorry but God No.*

*Let it be known that I have always loved Smytty, but there comes a time when you realize the time has come to hang em up, and that time was September 2013.

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#5 Gofucoffee
March 02 2014, 02:27PM
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Maybe we can package Hall Nuge Ebs Yak and Smitty for Johnny Toews? Sorry prob not enough. What a beauty, I'll throw in three years of first rounders to get that done.

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#6 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 01:54PM
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No no no. smyth gets a third or better. Or he doesn't go. What are the odds of a 4th or worse pick making the NHL? smyth for a second or f o f f.

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#7 Serious Gord
March 02 2014, 08:48PM
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Can he just retire and put us and himself out of our collective misery?

He's like old yeller out there (and Lowe tide is little Travis Coates).

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#8 Taylor Gang
March 02 2014, 01:55PM
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Who cares what Smyth does. Who cares what happens to this team anymore. This is the worst I have ever felt in regards to being a fan.

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#9 HISAM SALEH
March 02 2014, 09:13PM
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How come Ryan Smyth didn't get the call from Stevie Y for team Canada in SOCHI?!

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#10 Rod from Viking
March 02 2014, 02:49PM
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Ottawa could sure use Gagner to bolster their scoring and give them a 2 way center, should be easy to get Lazar Phillips and a 2nd. (lol)

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#11 Zarny
March 02 2014, 11:47PM
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dangilitis wrote:

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

I'd point out the obvious question of are you dumb but the answer is rhetorical.

Lowe panicked? Good grief, this isn't the Kardashians.

Yes, it was a negotiation. The Oilers offered 4-6 yrs @ $5M before the season started and Smyth turned it down. They offered closer to $5.5M over the same term during the year and Smyth didn't take it. He wanted more and the Oilers weren't willing to overpay. So they did what virtually every team does with an expiring contract they can't resign and traded him.

That's not panic; that's basic asset management.

Smyth's performance didn't warrant what the Oilers offered let alone what he signed for. Sorry but that's just how it went. That doesn't mean he was a bad player but he didn't live up to $5.5M let alone $6.25M.

And no it didn't turn out to be a good trade but most trades don't. That doesn't change the fact the Oilers got 3 15th overall prospects and picks out of the Islanders for what turned out to be a rental. Making a bad selection with the pick doesn't make it bad return.

Get a grip.

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#12 Ari Gold
March 02 2014, 07:13PM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

You're out of your mind. Get a psych assessment.

With the Oilers development staff, that'll never happen.

You're delusional.

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#13 Nelson
March 02 2014, 01:41PM
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How does KLowe Mact, Smith, and Buchberger look at themselves in the mirror?

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#14 Retsinnab5
March 02 2014, 01:43PM
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My prediction: Smyth gets traded to a top 4 team for a 4th round pick, then in the summer he resigns for 1 more year with Edmonton

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#15 Thumby
March 02 2014, 03:41PM
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Hey - if getting a hand job from a bald headed fluffer between shifts is what makes Jagr the player he is, maybe Gregor would do the Nation a favor and get on the Oilers bench to give them a "helping hand"...??

(sorry Gregor!)

;D

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#16 dangilitis
March 02 2014, 10:59PM
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Zarny wrote:

What nonsense. The Oilers offered Smyth 4-6 years @ $5-5.5M when he was 32.

He chose to leave for 5 yr @ $6.25M and only put up 37, 59, 53, 47 and 46 pts. Smyth was still more than competent but certainly didn't live up to that contract.

As for magic beans they got a 15th overall draft pick and two prospects each drafted 15th overall in the 1st round. They didn't work out but three 15th overall prospects/picks for an expiring contract was good return.

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

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#17 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 01:33PM
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I was just going to say on the last blog. That the next one will be LT or JW. Mr Brownleee covered the last depressing post game blog. A Gregor pro Eakins blog will be ripped. This was the only way. Thanks LT. I live in St Albert. Love your show. Maybe run into you at Safeway some day.

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#18 dangilitis
March 02 2014, 11:01PM
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Zarny wrote:

What nonsense. The Oilers offered Smyth 4-6 years @ $5-5.5M when he was 32.

He chose to leave for 5 yr @ $6.25M and only put up 37, 59, 53, 47 and 46 pts. Smyth was still more than competent but certainly didn't live up to that contract.

As for magic beans they got a 15th overall draft pick and two prospects each drafted 15th overall in the 1st round. They didn't work out but three 15th overall prospects/picks for an expiring contract was good return.

And seriously, if you want to hate on Smyth, you are not an Oilers fan. Honestly and truly, you might as well go to the Saddledome and buy a Byron jersey...

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#19 nuge2nail
March 02 2014, 11:57PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

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#20 Noooo!!!
March 03 2014, 11:39AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

For the itty bitty return the Oil would get, i think that the franchise should show some respect and ask Ryan Smyth what he would like, and then honour that. Yeah, it's a business, but it's a PEOPLE business.

They talk about having pride for the uniform, but sometimes the pride is from the men who wear the uniform. As an Oiler fan I am proud that a player like Smytty wanted to come back here. Don't tarnish it, please, MacT.

Sentimental actions are for amateur sports. This is a professional sport and therefore,a business.

Get everything and anything you can for Smyth or anyone else who is traded. They are being paid to do a job, and being paid well to do it...

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#21 godot10
March 02 2014, 01:35PM
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If he's playing next year, he will be playing in Edmonton, so why don't you want to give him a shot a winning the Stanley Cup.

He'll b gone for 19 games.

And then be back next September.

What's the problem with that?

Reverse Ruotsaleinen.

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#22 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 02:25PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Who cares what Smyth does. Who cares what happens to this team anymore. This is the worst I have ever felt in regards to being a fan.

Amen brother. Amazing how many people still care. Change is needed.

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#23 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 02 2014, 07:50PM
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There's how they're distributing the money issue as well. With overpays rampant throughout their best 8-10 players (if this ever happens) there'll be so little left to obtain any required depth players.

Unless there's some sort of (15%) Northern (B market) living allowance available to them, they may never be competitive again. Or, the Oilers could revolutionize the game and go with 3 lines and 3 sets of D (totally eliminate the 4th line) in hopes of cutting costs~

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#24 Alexander
March 03 2014, 12:17AM
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Oiltown3000 wrote:

I think Yak, RNH, and Hall would turn out to be awesome players because they are compared to:

RNH - Datsyuk

Yak - Stamkos

Hall - Messier

The first two, maybe, in a few years and under PROPER coaching!

Hall to MESSIER? Not in a million years!

I knew Mark up-close and personal for many years in his Edmonton days. The fire and desire and compete of that man can not be duplicated by Hall at any level. No disrespect meant to the kid but he does not have that deep from within fire and he has too much of a sense of an entitlement.

Mark was a MAN very early in his hockey career, a take-charge, go-all-out-against-anyone-anytime-anywhere kind of guy. Even in his own team's dressing room. He instilled fear and respect.

Any of those qualities in Hall? If they exist, I missed them on every turn (and shift of his) in the last 4 seasons...

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#25 Tuningout
March 02 2014, 01:37PM
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I hep Smyth goes. For his sake. Go have fun winning. Sign here in the offseason if he still wants. Poor guy. Even his family must be seriously looking at -30 in March and going on Google looking at other options

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#26 Oiler101
March 02 2014, 01:42PM
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To bad that other boy band took the name "one direction"

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#27 Felix
March 02 2014, 03:28PM
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Give your head a shake. Oilers are the worst team in the NHL. It is not easy to be the worst. The players are not very good. Trades are you kidding me.

Bad team Bad players

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#28 ?
March 02 2014, 03:03PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Ottawa could sure use Gagner to bolster their scoring and give them a 2 way center, should be easy to get Lazar Phillips and a 2nd. (lol)

"2 way center"

lmao

#gagsblows

:)

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#29 pelhem grenville
March 02 2014, 03:26PM
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retire = no airport '14

geesh!

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#30 Max
March 02 2014, 03:41PM
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I'd like to see #94 get a Stanley Cup, I'd like to have him resign and retire an Oiler, then be on the coaching staff. I'd like to never have to listen to Eakins spouting off again (meaning he's gone) and I'd like the so called "young guns" to stop taking their fat salaries for granted and actually EARN the money. I'd like to hold my head high when saying I'm an Oilers' fan and I'd also like to win the lottery - right now there's more chance of that than anything else.

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#31 horndog77
March 02 2014, 01:42PM
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I'm sure the Oilers could get a lot of playoff teams to pony up a fifth round pick for Smyth. He's the type of player teams want for depth for a long playoff run. I'm sure he would like another chance of winning the cup as well.

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#32 Sevenseven
March 02 2014, 03:22PM
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For christ sakes, if the guy doesnt want to leave, do not trade him. Let him retire an Oiler. It looks horrible to the rest of the league if you push a vetern guy out. The flames handled kipper with respect, lets do the same. Only push smyth out if he wants to go. I hope a contender does ask for him, and he agrees to go. Then hire him back for one day to retire him as an Oiler, and hopefully with a stanley cup ring on his finger.

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#33 Felix
March 02 2014, 03:30PM
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Felix wrote:

Give your head a shake. Oilers are the worst team in the NHL. It is not easy to be the worst. The players are not very good. Trades are you kidding me.

Bad team Bad players

Oilers got beat by a team Burke said there is only 1 players he would not trade.

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#34 Justin
March 02 2014, 03:34PM
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Since Oilers are not a real NHL team they should spot Oilers goals to make them feel better.

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#35 Dangilitis
March 02 2014, 04:37PM
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I honestly just hope that whatever happens to Smytty, it is on his terms. He is owed that. Watching last year's Iginla saga, it was clear that the Flames did right by him. Was probably bad for business (the Bruins deal was a better one, and looks silly now that he's a big bad Bruin), but no one was really laughing at the Flames for poor management.

What happened to Smyth 7 years was the first of many black marks for this organization, and trading away the last 2 players from the 05-06 cup run for magic beans while they remain competent players within assigned roles, will surely be a symbolic way to show the city how far this team has fallen (as if we didn't have enough reminders).

To those who expevt Smyth to be the Smytty of old, then call him past his "best before date" if you must. But as a 4th line WINGER (that's right, not center), I would like to see him back for 1 more year.

But if he is traded, let's all wish that he can finally deliver on what he promised at that airport 7 years ago.

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#36 Oiler Al
March 02 2014, 05:42PM
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Bushed77 wrote:

How about Smyth and Hemmer to the same playoff team?

Game 7 SCF in the third OT, coach puts them out together on a hunch and Hemmer feeds Smytty for a side of the goal-mouth tap-in!

That would be poetic on so many levels...

Wont happen, Hemsky goes off side coming over the blue line and turns the puck over in the corner.

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#37 Oiler Al
March 02 2014, 05:42PM
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Bushed77 wrote:

How about Smyth and Hemmer to the same playoff team?

Game 7 SCF in the third OT, coach puts them out together on a hunch and Hemmer feeds Smytty for a side of the goal-mouth tap-in!

That would be poetic on so many levels...

Wont happen, Hemsky goes off side coming over the blue line and turns the puck over in the corner.

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#38 Oliveoiler
March 02 2014, 07:34PM
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Smytty is the only player on the roster who is the true example of loyal to the Oil. Many of them should be boiled in oil.

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#39 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 02 2014, 10:20PM
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I think I'm finally ready to admit the rebuild has failed. Spectacularly, at that. The guy above is right: defense comes first. Draft Ekblad, wait for him and Nurse to develop, hopefully Marincin is the real deal and Klefbom can find the next gear. Try to keep J Schultz. Only problem is, Nuge and Hall will probably be approaching UFA by that point. Beg Nuge to sign an extension, try to convince Hall (I can't see it happening).

Unless Bold Moves pulls some unspeakable deals out of his ass this off season, we'll probably have a great shot at drafting McDavid next year. And it's pretty sad with how much certainty I say that.

Infinibuild 2.0™ will be McDavid and Nuge as our 1C/2C, with Ekblad and Nurse as our 1st D-line. Of course, this is all five or so years down the road, so buckle up.

Also, tell me I didn't just see Jagr's O-face...

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#40 Serious Gord
March 03 2014, 11:46AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

Silly to claim tambo was the worst ever. Dozens were. Just of the top of my head I will give just one who really is in the running for worst ever:

Mike milbury.

As for MacT he has made zero 1-2 line moves. Just Pygmy trades. Should moved gagner. Should have moved hemsky or bought him out. He chronically overvalued his assets and thus is on the sidelines when the big fish are in play.

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#41 toprightcorner
March 02 2014, 03:02PM
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I hope Smyth scores 2 PP goals on Tues for the team record, then goes to one of Boston, Chicago, St. Louis or LA and wins a cup. Then he signs in Edmonton for a day and retires as an Oiler.

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#42 Bushed77
March 02 2014, 04:12PM
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How about Smyth and Hemmer to the same playoff team?

Game 7 SCF in the third OT, coach puts them out together on a hunch and Hemmer feeds Smytty for a side of the goal-mouth tap-in!

That would be poetic on so many levels...

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#43 @Oilanderp
March 02 2014, 04:45PM
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You deserve a Cup™ Smytty! I hope you beat Hemmer's team in the finals!

Gob help us all.

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#44 JJ
March 03 2014, 05:34AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Tambellini is the reason this rebuild has taken so long. Worst GM in NHL history... I'm serious statistically the worst ever.

MacT has been extremely active, and he will be judged IMO on the Gagner trade and how he spends the oilers 40+mil in cap space this offseason.

Interesting when you look at some of the guys who show heart and character each game are the ones Mact brought in :

Perron, Hendricks, Gordan, Gazdic, Scrivens

So when's the domination coming, sometime this century?

What a stupid intro comment. I guess these are the types referred to as 'Life long Oiler fans'.

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#45 Cain
March 03 2014, 08:18AM
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dangilitis wrote:

Are you 12 years old? No seriously, are you 12 years old, cause that would have made you 5 years old when he was traded and that could explain your complete and total lack of comprehension of what transpired.

Smyth didn't choose to leave. It was called a negotiation and yes his agent was playing hardball but Lowe panicked or wanted to look tough or whatever the case was, but he traded him. Did Smyth really look like he wanted to leave? Again, I am not sure if you remember the scene in the airport that Lowetide referred to.

I'm glad you referred to that contract. Because Smyth was ready to sign in Edmonton for almost a million less per season at the time he was traded. What an a-hole he was. And you are a fool to think that posting points alone is the whole story. For the first 3 years he put up 149 pts in 199 games. In those last 2 seasons he played full 82 games and scored nearly 50 pts per season as he tipped over the age of 35. Seems about right to me. And that last season was a remarkable season for the Oilers given his age and how he was used. If you recall he started the season nearly PPG then got boat anchored on the 3rd line with Horcoff.

The 2 prospects we got drafted at 15th were far enough along to know that they weren't going to work out. With the unknown 15th overall pick, the odds of it becoming a player that plays a minimum of 200 games and scoring 0.5 ppg or better is just under 30%.

Yah, great trade.

So the only nonsense being spouted, I'm afraid, is from you. But nice try...

Or... Ryan Smyth and his agent were trying to hold the Oilers over a barrel and stubbornly overplayed their hand for what they thought Ryan Smyth was worth...they were wrong and the Oilers traded Smyth. Smyth and his agent over-estimated his worth to the team exactly like you are over-estimating his worth to the team right now. Want proof of the over-estimation on the part Of Smyth? Watch all those crocodile tears at the airport. Was he crying because the Oilers didn't want him? No, the Oilers offered him a contract for millions of dollars to stay here and play hockey. He was crying because he wanted more money than he was worth to the Oilers, and they told him to get stuffed...

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#46 Zarny
March 02 2014, 05:37PM
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There is certainly a market for Smyth. He is this year's Brendan Morrow. Well past his prime but experienced, battle tested and versatile. Exactly the type of depth and injury insurance contenders are looking for. It's not a blockbuster deal and I wouldn't expect any tears from Smyth.

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#47 Robert Fraser
March 02 2014, 07:54PM
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Nelson wrote:

How does KLowe Mact, Smith, and Buchberger look at themselves in the mirror?

Simple.....as Larry, Moe and Curly........nuck nuck!

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#48 Oiltown3000
March 02 2014, 08:18PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

You're out of your mind. Get a psych assessment.

With the Oilers development staff, that'll never happen.

You're delusional.

It's good to dream isn't it

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#49 Shredder
March 02 2014, 09:04PM
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It's about the next prospects...the defensemen. I say that because team Canada showed what it took to go all the way...team defense. And the last time we went far we had Pronger. So let's just chill and wait for Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin...and maybe Ekblad? Hopefully we still have Nuge by then.

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#50 Casey
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Smyth for Ryan Suter, and Zach Parise would be a steal for Minnesota. They get a very dynamic, high octane scorer and a guy younger the Saku Koivu

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