GDB Wrap Up: Sabres @ Oilers

baggedmilk
March 20 2014 10:18PM

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Luckily no one gets relegated in the NHL. Final score: 3-1 Sabres

There is nothing that will fire up the Nation more than a 29th vs 30th place battle! Not so long ago (only 8 years *sigh*) I remember sitting at the bar with some buddies and trying to decide who I'd rather the Oilers play in the finals, Carolina or Buffalo. Fast forward to tonight and neither team have anything to play for except draft picks and spoiler statuses. A Sabres/Oilers game has all the allure of milking a tiger, and that is a sad state of affairs.

The Buffalo Sabres are a terrible hockey team. There were periods in this game where the Sabres looked like they would never win another hockey game - the suck knob has been broken clean off in Buffalo. With that being said, our suck knob has been broken for years. Even though there were stints (short ones) where the Oilers dominated the hockey game, they lost to the FUNKIN' SABRES!  Losing to the Sabres is 10 shades of awful, yet we managed to accomplish it with all the style of a jalapeno shart.

Let's wrap this thing up...

The Bright Side

  • Ben Scrivens will stop pucks and break faces if he needs to
  • Justin Schultz has apparently learned about slap shots
  • Lots of AHLers got NHL pay cheques
  • The Power Play actually looked like an actual Power Play

The Face Palmers

  • Losing to the Sabres should result in 50 lashes and not the sexy kind either
  • The safe word for Oilers name is the sound of weeping adults
  • The shorthanded 2 on 1s are almost comical at this point
  • Getting booed because you lost to the Sabres is bad news
  • Ales Hemsky may have scored the goal of the year *sigh*

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#51 **
March 20 2014, 11:59PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Witnessed these two Oiler athletic supporters in a luxury suite at Rectal place this evening.

http://youtu.be/NpYEJx7PkWE

Just pissed my pants.

If ON turned into a a couple of sentient beings, this is exactly how they would sound like.

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#52 hagargt
March 21 2014, 12:06AM
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@bazmagoo

Agreed. At this point in any other thing, in the history of stuff, a person would be answering questions as to their sanity.

Does Katz have some way of writing off the oilers' salary dumps as a loss? I just can't wrap my head around how this is all working out in his mind.

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#53 RexHolez
March 21 2014, 12:06AM
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bazmagoo wrote:

When we miss the playoffs next season due to a slow start before Eakins gets fired we will be one of 4 NHL franchises that has missed the post season 9 years in a row, throughout the leagues history. Only the Florida Panthers from 1999/2000 to 2011/2012 will have been worse, at ten seasons.

This is what the Oilers have been reduced to. Pathetic.

out of those 4 pathetic franchises how many kept the same brain trust in charge?

this isn't just a bad team going through a rough patch, this is historically one of the worst ran franchises in history. And it's all topped off with the same guys in charge... just to make sure future generations don't run out of jokes

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#54 bazmagoo
March 21 2014, 12:14AM
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I don't have the energy or inclination to research it, but I'd have to say it's extremely unlikely any of those organizations had the same person at the helm through all the seasons of missing the playoffs.

But them again, it's also extremely unlikely any of those teams had an owner who had a geeky man crush on the head executive.

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#55 dougtheslug
March 21 2014, 12:21AM
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Has anybody thought of how bad this season could have been if the Oilers had run into the type of injury problems Calgary or Detroit has run into this year?

Boy, I'm glad we've been healthy. Can you finish lower than 30th?

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#56 bazmagoo
March 21 2014, 12:24AM
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@dougtheslug

Wonder what the plan would be if we had soccer style relegation for 28 - 30th spot each season? Someone mentioned this in a previous comment. Would definitely ensure teams wouldn't tank for a higher pick.

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#57 dan
March 21 2014, 12:29AM
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at what point does the league step in and take away the oilers 1st round draft pick?? these are young stars to build the nhl around and this team just ruins them. I honestly believe at the next owner meeting, they need to seriously discuss kicking the oilers to the ahl.

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#58 bazmagoo
March 21 2014, 12:30AM
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A friend of mine has given up on the Oil, I asked him why. His response was perfect - "the organization is ill".

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#59 **
March 21 2014, 12:32AM
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http://youtu.be/jJNxj1FdKuo?t=3m9s

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#60 hagargt
March 21 2014, 12:39AM
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@bazmagoo

The sad part is this isn't an intentional tanking. A lot of people like to feel better about the situation by rationalizing it as a possibility, but as sad as it can be imagined, this is actually our full effort as an nhl team. I feel bad for mactavish, and I am ready to receive my first "trash its" for saying so. I am pretty confident him and Eakins are the people losing sleep at night. Eakins is boned because even though he cares a lot, he just plain sucks as a coach for this team full of lazy folk. MacT at least is trying new things, but is handcuffed by what he has to work with, and he also has king turd kevin lowe checking his spelling at every turn.

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#61 dougtheslug
March 21 2014, 12:41AM
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@bazmagoo

Clubs that are relegated from the English Premier League to the Championship League (second division) will lose, on average, about £ 25 million the first year after relegation, (thats $46,000,000), and thats with a £16 million ($30 million) parachute payment for the first two years after relegation, dropping to £8 million for years 3 and 4. That's mostly in lost TV revenue.

If a team doesn't earn promotion by year 5, the cost of relegation will grow to over 41 million pounds, thats over 70 million dollars per year in foregone revenue.

That would be enough to make even Jocksniffer Katz sit up and take notice.

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#62 hagargt
March 21 2014, 12:45AM
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Yeeeeep. Though one wonders how much money a billionair would need to lose to feel the sting. I can't help but wonder if you gave Katz let's saaay 40 million dollars to fire kevin lowe and eakins, would he do it?

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#63 geeker99
March 21 2014, 12:47AM
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Only watched the 3rd due to parent teacher interview but was excited to see pitlick play. Don't remember hearing his name, 10 minutes Dallas Eakins? Really? Jones get over 5 mins of pp time? why call up the heart of the Barons if they don't get a look. This team is hurting for direction, understatement!

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#64 **
March 21 2014, 12:55AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Clubs that are relegated from the English Premier League to the Championship League (second division) will lose, on average, about £ 25 million the first year after relegation, (thats $46,000,000), and thats with a £16 million ($30 million) parachute payment for the first two years after relegation, dropping to £8 million for years 3 and 4. That's mostly in lost TV revenue.

If a team doesn't earn promotion by year 5, the cost of relegation will grow to over 41 million pounds, thats over 70 million dollars per year in foregone revenue.

That would be enough to make even Jocksniffer Katz sit up and take notice.

I thought about rlegation when there was talk about the realignment of the conferences a couple fo seasons ago. I think it would be a great idea, for the reasons you ahve discussed, but the problem is that there isn't a big enough pool of talent nor enough market to support a secondary league that way without condemning the team to die.

Say for example that the divsion 2 is the AHL, that say OKC wins the leauge and comes up to the NHL, and that a weak market like Phoenix ends up 30th. Phoenix would not survive the loss from the loss of interest by its small market. And OKC would likely not replace it.

The fact is hockey is not nearly as popular as soccer.

But as a concept relegation is a great deterrent to teams tanking.

I should also point out that there are no draft in most soccer pro leagues outside of MLS.

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#65 **
March 21 2014, 12:58AM
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This is an excerpt from a very interesting article about the difference between NA leagues and European leagues:

"...At the end of the season in static leagues in North America, teams often have more incentive to lose matches and not put forth as much effort, because the bottom teams in a league are rewarded in a reverse-order draft, in which they will be given first choice of drafting the best new talent for the next season. European leagues do not use reverse-order drafts. Moreover, promotion and relegation gives the weaker teams in a league incentive to win as many matches as possible. In this sense, promotion and relegation could be said not only to generate more interest in matches among weak teams in a league but also to produce better competitive balance within a league.

...Another major effect of the promotion and relegation system on professional sport leagues is that it presents a different method of entry into leagues for franchises...

Although promotion and relegation is often seen as the main factor distinguishing the North American and European models, another issue is the number of competitions that teams participate in..."

Here's the full article, a bit of a long read, but interesting:

http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/european-model-causes-unique-on-field-and-financial-outcomes-for-sport-leagues

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#66 geeker99
March 21 2014, 01:10AM
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Yep, wrong owner in the wrong era. Katz would have been great in the late 90's. no cap and money to burn. feel sorry for the tier 1 fans. LOL New building, and promising talent but I am nervous of the people steering the ship.

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#67 Anton CP
March 21 2014, 02:08AM
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In Premier League that some of the teams are called yo-yo teams. Those are the teams that never good enough to compete on top flight but never also bad enough to stay in tier 2. Since the team that earned promotion will be rewarded for financial gains, some team just never try to be better so that they can keep on cashing in every couple of years and at same time avoid paying out big contracts (high profile players usually have cause for free transfer if the team got relegated).

By comparing to America professional sports that you can imagine playoffs teams are Premier League teams and non-playoffs teams are Championship teams. It means that Oilers have failed to earn promotion for 8 years in a row.

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#68 hagargt
March 21 2014, 02:12AM
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Holy crap... I have no idea how this conversation about the endless frustration that is the oilers turned into soccer talk.... if I had a day in hell, it would be trying to explain why the oilers suck, followed VERY shortly by anything about soccer.

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#69 geeker99
March 21 2014, 02:21AM
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@hagargt

if you read the last few threads its actually about not tanking for a draft pick. soccer other than in North america does not have a draft. stick to nascar bro.

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#70 hagargt
March 21 2014, 02:33AM
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@geeker99

It has nothing to do with redneck views. I just can't handle the merger between the oilers and soccer in the same post. I took my father from Norway to the fifa girls tourny in edmonton years ago and had fun. I just just don't want to lump the two sports in the same train of thought. I should apologize to soccer fans, I just got a weird feeling when we started talking the game of soccer in the same breath as the game of hockey. I was telling my buddy the other day we shouldn't keep getting these draft picks. It's poison at this point. It's late, and I am drinking off probably the worst oilers performance of the year.

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#71 geeker99
March 21 2014, 02:53AM
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@hagargt

Yeah sorry for the nascar bit, I spend most of my beer guzzling time with my friends defending soccer. I am a liverpool fan and find my two favorite teams very much alike. very passionate fans and very patient fans. it bothers me that Katz rarely shows his face at home games . Two american owners were run out of town for not being accountable.[for Liverpool - hicks,Gillete]

again sorry for the redneck comment and the run on reply

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#72 hagargt
March 21 2014, 03:02AM
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It's all good buddy!! I won't assume you have crooked teeth or anything. Beers on me!!

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#73 hagargt
March 21 2014, 03:20AM
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I built a 1000 square foot deck with two tv's to watch sports on... we might as well watch something. pm me if you want to pound beers in sherwood park area. Always a good time here

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#74 Pouzar99
March 21 2014, 04:49AM
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No one was really talking about soccer, just about the concept of relegation, which is used in virtually all the professional soccer leagues outside NA. It is a fun idea, but will never be adopted here because we have developed a different sports culture and fans in big cities will never accept their teams playing in big leagues.

Thank God for the draft because even the boneheads that have run the Oiler organization since 2006 can't screw up us forever if we keep drafting in the top two or three indefinitely. Or can they? It's funny because in the glory days they got rid of 4-on-4s because the Oilers were so much better offensively than anyone else. Today they have to keep changing the draft lottery so we don't pick first every year. A bit of a comedown.

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#75 seanjohn667
March 21 2014, 05:24AM
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RexHolez wrote:

out of those 4 pathetic franchises how many kept the same brain trust in charge?

this isn't just a bad team going through a rough patch, this is historically one of the worst ran franchises in history. And it's all topped off with the same guys in charge... just to make sure future generations don't run out of jokes

It's mind boggling that these don't step down. They will be laughingstocks for decades.

they're the Rob Ford of the NHL.

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#76 Serious Gord
March 21 2014, 06:20AM
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What did that poor kid do to you?. You don't look hard enough, I'm going to the Colorado-Edm for 80 dollars, on the higher bowl, so I'm sure you can find nose bleeders for cheaper than that.

Stubhub and ticketmaster.

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#77 Serious Gord
March 21 2014, 06:25AM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Wonder what the plan would be if we had soccer style relegation for 28 - 30th spot each season? Someone mentioned this in a previous comment. Would definitely ensure teams wouldn't tank for a higher pick.

Excellent point. If the league expands to 32 or 34 teams maybe it could be considered. Or at least there should be some kind of disincentive for finishing dead last or second last.

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#78 redhot1
March 21 2014, 06:51AM
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Quoting user Beloch on Flames Nation

The Oilers are a really interesting case... Arguably, they're built to tank.

First of all, some of their star rookies still have a lot of development left to do. Eberle and Gagner aren't really rookies but could still take a small step forward. Perron is probably peaking now. However, Hall is 22, the Nuge is 20, and Yakupov is also 20. Hall and Nuge in particular are going to be scary good in a few years. The only question is, scary good at what? Offense surely. They stink at possession and defensive play currently. Will that change? It's possible given the right guidance. There are no quality two-way veteran forwards providing that guidance and, even if Eakins were able to provide it himself, nobody is listening to him. If these guys never develop beyond being offense-only creampuffs the team is going to have a problem. MacTavish should be soiling his bed nightly over this.

There is simply no way Eberle, Hall, or the Nuge are worth $6M/year right now. They're rookies who can score if given shelter but get eaten alive by top competition. The Oilers blew a third of their payroll on three creampuffs! Those contracts might eventually become reasonable but they've really cut the balls off the team this year. There should be an entire solid veteran possession line providing shelter for the creampuffs that is completely absent at present. Also, the bottom six needs to be filled out with competent bums rather than possession holes who would have a hard time finding work on a decent AHL team.

The Oilers' blueline is, to be blunt, a disaster. It's holes from top to bottom, with the possible exception of Martin Marincin. He might become a useful defender but everyone else is horrible. Ference tops the payscale out at a whopping $3.25M with nobody else making over $2M. Worse yet, most of these guys aren't worth half of what they're paid!

To sum up, the Oilers have massively overpaid a bunch of creampuff rookies who currently have no business playing against top competition. There is a notable absence of veteran possession players that could give the creampuffs the shelter and mentoring they still desperately need. The bottom six lacks competency. The Oilers are paying far too little for their defencemen and getting far too little for what they're paying. This team is just plain built wrong.

The disturbing thing about the Oilers rebuild is that they still look to be at least 2-3 years from making the playoffs. They don't have scads of cap-space to address their needs via free agency. They have a high quality defensive prospect in Nurse, but he won't be ready for top minutes for 2-3 years at best and no prospect is 100% certain to succeed. Hall, Nuge, and Yak are unlikely to be able to face top competition for 2-3 years, if ever. They need to acquire a huge number of quality possession players at every position and role but lack the assets to trade for them. They might have some prospects in their system who will step up, but probably not in less than... 2-3 years.

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#79 Oilcruzer
March 21 2014, 06:54AM
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Meh. Didn't think it was a bad game at all. Unlucky? For sure. Oil should have been 4 nothing after first. How many posts and fanned shots on weak side that were wide open?

Buffalo played as good as they can and RNG gave them a few extra breaks.

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#80 BobbyCanuck
March 21 2014, 07:02AM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

Hemsky for goal of the year.

I realize that 1/2 of you hate Hemsky, and are glad that he is gone, this is for the other half.

From the Ottawa Citizen

Rarely does a single hockey play completely transcend the game that contained it, but Ales Hemsky’s breathtaking goal Thursday at Canadian Tire Centre will surely accomplish the feat.

As the crowd of 17,136 chanted “Hemsky, Hemsky, Hemsky,” CTC public address voice Stu Schwartz took the mic to announce the “goal of the season.”

If the Senators were considering re-signing their prized trade deadline acquisition — he has eight points in seven games since coming over from the Edmonton Oilers — Hemsky’s tally just might be the clincher

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#81 The Last Big Bear
March 21 2014, 07:36AM
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Full page newspaper open letter to Katz telling him youve changed your minds and he can **** right off to Seattle, and take his bull**** team with him?

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#82 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 21 2014, 07:37AM
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Yeeeeeesh, Hems moves to the East and he becomes the Messiah. Next we'll have TSN reporting why the Leafs should trade for him.

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#83 HardBoiledOil
March 21 2014, 07:48AM
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meh. so Hemsky scores a highlight reel goal, so what? Ottawa is still struggling to try to make the playoffs and whether or not some Oiler fans wanted him re-signed, he apparently wasn't going to re-sign here so we got picks for him. the 1/2 that still wanted him here need to move on now, the Oilers have.

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#84 Wintoon
March 21 2014, 07:58AM
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Based on the Oilers latest debacle it is evident that the hockey Gods are getting even with Oiler fans. During the dynasty years the fans obviously took the excellence of their Oilers team for granted and were just too arrogant toward other teams fans. It is the only logical explanation and payback is not fun. By the way, I have been an Oilers fan for over 30 years.

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#85 HardBoiledOil
March 21 2014, 08:06AM
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^the hockey Gods are indeed getting even, but not because Oiler fans of the 80's were perceived to be arrogant, that has absolutely nothing to do with it...Oiler fans back then had the right to verbally defend themselves from the constant barrage of verbal diarrhea from the media down East, mainly Toronto, as well as verbal diarrhea from jealous teams from Calgary, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Toronto, Quebec City and Montreal.

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#86 RexHolez
March 21 2014, 08:08AM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

meh. so Hemsky scores a highlight reel goal, so what? Ottawa is still struggling to try to make the playoffs and whether or not some Oiler fans wanted him re-signed, he apparently wasn't going to re-sign here so we got picks for him. the 1/2 that still wanted him here need to move on now, the Oilers have.

the oilers havnt moved on from anything. their still standing still at the bottom of the league. hemmer was our best player in the last decade and we gave him away for nothing. I thought it was bad when Calgary traded iginla for nothing, well leave it to the oilers to raise the pathetic bar to new heights

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#87 HardBoiledOil
March 21 2014, 08:12AM
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maybe the Oilers haven't moved on YET as a team, but it's time for Hemsky fans to! and i found that other teams were being extremely stingy at the trade deadline this year as far as what they were willing to give up in a trade....seems few teams got true value for the players they traded.

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#88 cccsberg
March 21 2014, 08:16AM
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** wrote:

What did that poor kid do to you?. You don't look hard enough, I'm going to the Colorado-Edm for 80 dollars, on the higher bowl, so I'm sure you can find nose bleeders for cheaper than that.

Not sure where you're looking, but go to www.StubHub.com and there's LOTS of tickets for all remaining games, starting @ $10/seat, except Saturday's Calgary game where $45 is currently the cheapest...

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#89 S cottV
March 21 2014, 08:22AM
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BobbyCanuck wrote:

I realize that 1/2 of you hate Hemsky, and are glad that he is gone, this is for the other half.

From the Ottawa Citizen

Rarely does a single hockey play completely transcend the game that contained it, but Ales Hemsky’s breathtaking goal Thursday at Canadian Tire Centre will surely accomplish the feat.

As the crowd of 17,136 chanted “Hemsky, Hemsky, Hemsky,” CTC public address voice Stu Schwartz took the mic to announce the “goal of the season.”

If the Senators were considering re-signing their prized trade deadline acquisition — he has eight points in seven games since coming over from the Edmonton Oilers — Hemsky’s tally just might be the clincher

While an Oiler, Hemsky never had a true one or two C or top pairing dmen men to compliment him.

Clearly he is the kind of player that needs to play with high end guys who generally play in the forward zone.

A smaller offensively skilled winger, generally playing in the wrong end - is certainly not going to show in the most positive light. A guy like Hemsky can support forward zone play but he can't drive it, for crying out loud.

Instead of addressing what Hemsky needed throughout his career, the Oilers brought in more of the same.

Then - lets relegate the veteran Hemsky by handing the keys to the team, to some spoiled brat young guns way before their time and ability to lead an NHL team.

And we wonder why he never performed to his capabilities.....

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#90 Loweblows
March 21 2014, 08:24AM
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Fire Eakins....ad infinitum!

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#91 dougtheslug
March 21 2014, 08:28AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Meh. Didn't think it was a bad game at all. Unlucky? For sure. Oil should have been 4 nothing after first. How many posts and fanned shots on weak side that were wide open?

Buffalo played as good as they can and RNG gave them a few extra breaks.

Hilarious.

Unlucky? Unbearable, more like.

Two posts, actually. One on the same "power" play they scored on.

Fanned shots and missed opportunities have been a staple of this club. They aren't statistical anomalies. They are the norm.

In two games against the Sabres this year, the most offensively challenged club in the NHL by a long shot, the Oilers gave up 80 shots on goal. The worst defence in Oiler history? Or the worst prepared team in Oiler history? Or both?

"Buffalo played as good as they can". What a concept! Maybe the Oilers should try it.

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#92 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 21 2014, 08:37AM
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@RexHolez

I don't think this is a reasonable comparison. Iginla is light-years beyond Hemsky. The Iginla trade was horrible (thankfully), but MacT had to take what he could get for Hemsky. Let's face it, there's no way he was resigning here to be a 3rd liner. Basically MacT had to take the 3rd and 5th or let Hemsky walk for free.

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#93 RexHolez
March 21 2014, 08:53AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I don't think this is a reasonable comparison. Iginla is light-years beyond Hemsky. The Iginla trade was horrible (thankfully), but MacT had to take what he could get for Hemsky. Let's face it, there's no way he was resigning here to be a 3rd liner. Basically MacT had to take the 3rd and 5th or let Hemsky walk for free.

ya I get, he got what he could. question is how did we get to the point where our best player this decade is worth a 3rd rnd pick?? im glad for hemsky that he finally got out of here, just still in shock that this franchise and rebuild can be run so poorly and still not have changes in the head office

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#94 LoweBlow
March 21 2014, 08:55AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

DO NOT PICK ON THE CHEERLEADERS!

They look like attractive young women to me and they try hard.

Speaking of "palm", Mr. Huge, you sound like the sort of fellow who is dating Mrs. Palm and the Finger Sisters.

'They try hard'? Seriously? Are we talking about the entertainment industry or not? You must be satisfied with every Oilers group by that logic because they 'try hard'.

You're being far too kind. Take a looks at the Seattle Seahawks Seagals. That's an attractive group of girls.

Personal attacks merely display your own insecurity, champ.

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#95 BobbyCanuck
March 21 2014, 09:03AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

DO NOT PICK ON THE CHEERLEADERS!

They look like attractive young women to me and they try hard.

Speaking of "palm", Mr. Huge, you sound like the sort of fellow who is dating Mrs. Palm and the Finger Sisters.

Really? Picking on our cheerleaders? Stay classy dude, NOT.

They are the wholesome girls next door. Very analogous to our team, cause our team is predominantly made up of boys.

For example, Tandra (remember her from a few days ago? For some reason she has actually been seared into my long term memory) is 100% WOMAN, cheering for a team made up of men

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#96 BobbyCanuck
March 21 2014, 09:24AM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

maybe the Oilers haven't moved on YET as a team, but it's time for Hemsky fans to! and i found that other teams were being extremely stingy at the trade deadline this year as far as what they were willing to give up in a trade....seems few teams got true value for the players they traded.

Yes, Hemsky was favourite player for the last 10 years. We have all moved on...just happy for Hemsky that is all.

Hemsky has moved up Oilers moved down, remember how positive we were after the Nashville game?

I will be buying a NHL Hockey Central subscription, just so I can pick and chose which teams to watch. I will be moving up to Tier 3 fan status!

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#97 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 21 2014, 09:26AM
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I don't know who posted it, but recently someone said that getting excited for an Oilers win or win streak is embarrassing because you know they'll inevitably regress to the mean.

Just wanted to repost it, because I think it's pretty damn on-point.

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#98 Spydyr
March 21 2014, 09:29AM
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See what happens when you set a bird free from his cage.He dangles the goal of the year.I bet that cage had six rings around it.

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#99 Spydyr
March 21 2014, 09:30AM
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With the schedule the rest of the way it looks like the Oilers have 29th place all but locked up.2-9 is my over under.Now to get Tambo's lucky tie.

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#100 Spydyr
March 21 2014, 09:31AM
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Hey, who still thinks Gagner will learn defence?

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