WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR (AND THIS TIME WE MEAN IT!)

Lowetide
March 21 2014 10:28PM

EBERLE COMMON

Another spring, same shopping list. A big center, a defenseman with a mean look and hair on his ass and maybe a shot from the point. WHY did they send Sheldon Souray away again? Anyway, Craig MacTavish has a busy summer ahead and he needs to be active. When he goes to market, what will he have in his arsenal for trade?

TOP 10 ITEMS OF VALUE THIS SUMMER

  1. Money: The Oilers might decide to go the free agent route for one of their holes (C, D). Names like David Legwand and Andrei Markov have been mentioned, and of course Edmonton offers free agents special "location" value in the form of extra seasons tacked on to the contract. Think lots times four years.
  2. The 2014 1st round pick: I think you could make a case for trading the pick IF a long term solution to the problem is unavailable. Aaron Ekblad and Leon Draisaitl may well solve stud D and big C respectively, but if the Oilers draft fourth and don't feel Sam Bennett is a perfect fit, we may see the team trade that pick for a more immediate solution (Tyler Myers might be an example).
  3. One or more of the young defensemen: This is an area fans argue over, and it's understandable. Who in their right minds would trade Marincin or Klefbom after waiting this long? Well, the Oilers have a plethora of young defensemen, and may need one of them to acquire a more mature player who can step right in. The Oilers already have a mentor-type in Andrew Ference, but if they go to market and have a chance to get a 20+ minute a night defender it could take several pieces to acquire the player.
  4. The 2015 1st round pick: This selection may have more actual value than this year's pick. An acquiring team might be willing to bet on the Oilers failing again next year (that's a decent bet) and pick up the extra 1st. If it ends up being outside the top 10 next year, it'll have value. Should the Oilers have another year in the cellar, the acquiring team might get Connor McDavid!
  5. Trading Ordanjay Eberleway: Out of respect for this blog's emperor, I've fiddled with the actual name. I'm not a fan of dealing Ordanjay, but if the return is a major deal involving Sean Couturier and Braydon Coburn? Mr. Eberleway might be the valued asset sent away.
  6. Trading Justin Schultz: This idea seems to be gaining some support in certain circles, but as with Ordanjay I don't think it's a good idea. I spent years as an Expos fan, and they were famous for fixating on their good players' shortcomings and then sending them away for mush. If you don't believe me, check out what they got for Gary Carter.
  7. Taking on a valuable player with a crazy contract. Carolina is apparently thinking about dealing Eric Staal, and no wonder with that contract.  I'm not saying Staal should be a target, only that the idea of acquiring a contract overpay for less than full value has appeal. Staal looks good in a quick glance, but that's a lot of loot.
  8. Emerging prospects: The counter to point #3 is that one or more of these prospects might emerge ala Martin Marincin this season. If Lander or Pitlick or Horak find a way to make themselves useful, that's one less problem to fret over during the summer.
  9. The waiver wire. Edmonton hasn't used this much over the years, but would do well to learn from the New York Islanders about the value of players plucked from the scrap heap. MacT picked up Luke Gazdic last fall, maybe they can find a useful player in September.
  10. The current roster taking a step forward. This is the most likely way for this team to improve. I'm absolutely against trading Nail Yakupov (as an example) because the potential for him to bust a move and score 30 goals next year is real. Even a veteran like Sam Gagner (should he stay) is extremely likely to be more productive in 2013-14.

READY, SET, GO!

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MacT needs to be aggressive—Jason Bourne aggressive—this summer. The college free agents are signing, Dillon Simpson's UND team lost tonight and they await an invite to the NCAA hockey dance, there are tumblers clicking all over the hockey world.

The Oilers need to be involved in all of it. Hold on. It's coming.

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    #101 Craig1981
    March 22 2014, 02:32PM
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    @Spydyr

    I'm not passionate about Gagner....I do like him. I see a guy that would of scored 65 points in a full season last year. And a guy that has 20 points in the last 28 games and 5th in his team in scoring even though he suffered a major injury. A guy that tries to come back early from a injury to be team guy. I am not calling him all-star, but the team is better with him.

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    #102 Air on Egg blood
    March 22 2014, 02:40PM
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    We shouldn't expect too much from this particular management for next year. If we expect them to turn this team into a contender, the most likely outcome is disapointment and heartbrake. But if we expect absolutely nothing, two outcomes are possible: 1- we are confirmed in our believes that they are bumbling idiots; 2- We are pleasently surprised. And it's always fun to be pleasently surprised.

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    #103 Oilcruzer
    March 22 2014, 02:49PM
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    Craig1981 wrote:

    As someone that has broken several bones, thought typically they are cast for 6 weeks, they are only about 80-90% after that. It then takes several months after that to get to 100%

    1) Factually incorrect. The buildup of calcium (however temporary) surrounding the breakage site makes that site stronger over the short term. Long term it is as it was - no more and no less.

    2) It's irrelevant. Gagner doesn't need to check with his jaw. (Although at this point, I'm willing for him to check with anything.)

    Here's hoping they keep feeding him and giving him opportunities... and then trade him.

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    #104 Serious Gord
    March 22 2014, 03:04PM
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    Bucknuck wrote:

    I was so sure the Oilers would make some noise this year. I had been hopeful in years before (especially 2008-2009), but this year I really believed. I almost feel betrayed so some broken part of me just can't even hope anymore.

    It stopped being fun somewhere along the line. I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this way.

    Next year better be "the one" or there could be some seriously empty seats at Rexall soon.

    Speaking of seats...

    Season ticket holders - some of them at least - have a hell of a sweet deal going. A good friend of mine shares a pair with a friend and the buy them corporately - writing off the cost. If I have the math right they paid about ninety dollars off the posted price on the ticket.

    They each pick a few games that they go to and they sell the remainder for cash, making more than enough to pay for the games they watch and they have over years built up a surplus to the point that by the time the new arena is finished the invested surplus will be generating enough income to pay for the tickets I perpetuity.

    And example he told me of was selling the pair for the last game of the season last year (against Vancouver) for a thousand dollars each. The cost to him was less than 200 each which was written off.

    In sum don't pity the season ticket holders too much.

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    #105 Craig1981
    March 22 2014, 03:21PM
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    Oilcruzer wrote:

    1) Factually incorrect. The buildup of calcium (however temporary) surrounding the breakage site makes that site stronger over the short term. Long term it is as it was - no more and no less.

    2) It's irrelevant. Gagner doesn't need to check with his jaw. (Although at this point, I'm willing for him to check with anything.)

    Here's hoping they keep feeding him and giving him opportunities... and then trade him.

    You are talking out your a$$. Its called bone remodeling. I takes years to complete. I knew to look this up as I was informed by SEVERAL doctors about it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_healing

    http://www.exogen.com/patients/about-fractures/

    Not going to bother reading your comments anymore as I'm sure you will continue to "make up" facts to support arguments rather than to listen to other opinions

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    #106 Johnnydapunk
    March 22 2014, 04:19PM
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    Oilers wrote:

    I really, really, want the Oilers to be a hockey team again.

    However, there are some facts we need to realize and not hold onto old hopes and glories.

    The facts are:

    1) The worst team in the NHL over the past 14 years, coinciding with Kevin Lowe's arrival on the scene.

    2) The majority of what Lowe has done includes Mac T. They are joined at the Hip. They are a team.

    3) As was quoted from a friend of mine who works in the NHL, will not give any more information. "The Oilers are a recycle plant for all the NHL garbage. This is well known in the NHL and there is no respect for the management of that team."

    4) The major sports industry magazine in North America voted the Oilers the worst managed team of all major professional sports teams (NHL, NBA, NFL, Soccer, Baseball).

    So, here are the facts. There are two things to consider getting free agents to Edmonton. The most obvious, the players. Second, their agents, which are equally important because they want to protect their financial assets.

    The agents, who make their lifelong paycheck from advising and negotiating for players that play an average of 3 to 5 years in the league are well seasoned in the "business".

    So, If the agents look at the Oilers. They want to maximize the economics of the player, but also the future value of their asset. This includes development, and the "winning" factor which will affect future negotiations.

    Because of the Oilers recent 14 year record. The agents look at the Oilers as the "team of last resort" in their recommendations to their players. If two teams are bidding for a player with equal money. Do you go to a winning team or the Oilers if you are an agent? That is easy.

    The only way to correct the problem is a culture and leadership change within the Oilers organization so a "fresh slate" can be developed with the players and agents.

    This will not be accomplished with Lowe, Mac T, Smith, Buchburger et al.

    We need a complete change, otherwise the NHL recycle team for NHL garbage will continue to be very good at what it has been for 14 years. Losing.

    Whilst I kindof agree on a few points, I hate to admit this but depending on what you mean by managed, but from a business side of things, they are somehow quite well run. Which makes the p*ss poor performances of the Oil even more galling.

    The fact that the franchise has doubled in value since 2008 is not something to sneeze at.

    But what doesn't help the Oil in attracting players is something as simple as geographical location, Edmonton is the city I grew up in and everything but it's pretty isolated and the weather is not so nice.

    I'm sure factors in deciding where to play are things like your life outside of hockey, and if you can play somewhere in the sun and nice weather, or a major city that perhaps is near home, those things I'm sure play a pretty big part.

    Of course if the team has a chance at a cup or at least some success, that is a factor also but that also depends on the stage of their career, the ones who have won a cup are sometimes more open to a move.

    Regarding your idea that agents are concerned about their financial assets, a losing team does have an advantage also as being on a team that isn't winning and being able to use that as an "excuse" for a poorly performing player works in the agents favour, when it comes to the financial side of things. Agents follow,the money and security, which a team with cap space and stable ownership can offer which is one of the few things the Oil are.

    The Oil cause me pain of course, and getting free agents here has never been easy, the biggest reason will always be geographical, which is something that won't change.

    If they can get rid of Chabot and the assistants, that would be a massive boost I believe, especially Chabot before he ruins another 2 goalies.

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    #107 ChillyPepper
    March 22 2014, 05:14PM
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    @Spydyr

    I am just curious, and would like a legitimate answer here.

    I've been a reader here, never a poster and cannot seem to understand the hatred for Gagner. There is post after post after post complaining about everything from management to coaching to the players. These complaints seem to trend back for years. If the management and coaching has been so terrible and have been known to "wreck" their players, why is Gagner a different story? Why are his failures thrown on his back and everyone else almost gets a free pass? If he is such a failure in certain areas, it has come from the people coaching and mentoring him. It's almost as though he is expected to coach himself.

    Right, he should know better. He's a veteran, he is this and he is that. But honestly, who has shown him the way? It sounds to me like he has been expected to figure it out on his own. He is not a coach, he is an athlete. He still needs to be trained and conditioned. Not even Crosby is above coaching, so why does everyone think Gagner should be self taught?

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    #108 Rod from Viking
    March 22 2014, 06:03PM
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    Serious Gord wrote:

    Speaking of seats...

    Season ticket holders - some of them at least - have a hell of a sweet deal going. A good friend of mine shares a pair with a friend and the buy them corporately - writing off the cost. If I have the math right they paid about ninety dollars off the posted price on the ticket.

    They each pick a few games that they go to and they sell the remainder for cash, making more than enough to pay for the games they watch and they have over years built up a surplus to the point that by the time the new arena is finished the invested surplus will be generating enough income to pay for the tickets I perpetuity.

    And example he told me of was selling the pair for the last game of the season last year (against Vancouver) for a thousand dollars each. The cost to him was less than 200 each which was written off.

    In sum don't pity the season ticket holders too much.

    Gord, for every case like your friends there are 100 that can't give the tickets away except for the original six games and a couple other teams after Christmas. Those games are usually the worst night ever if you are sitting beside some of these once a year I don't give a shi# about anyone else in my area fans. The problem is as a season ticket holder I was ready to give up a couple of years ago but like many have family that want to buy them down the road and we hope they will get an opportunity to see a dominant team. I feel a lot more optimistic about this team that sits in 29th this year than the one that finished in 24th last year. They absolutely have to shake up the top six by adding size and a 2-3 veteran d man.I wish K-Lowe and some of the management were not there but that won't make it happen. I like Mac T and I keep going back & forth on Eakins.

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    #109 JSR
    March 22 2014, 06:51PM
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    Eakins should pull a page out of Hartley's book...start SMac and Gazdic on the wings, with Hendy at centre....

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    #110 thatguy
    March 22 2014, 07:12PM
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    hall-nuge-couturier yakupov-anisomov-perron Hendricks-Gordon-colbourne gazdic-brian boyle- ott pitlick

    marincin-petry ference-markov Schultz-Nikitin Klefbom

    Scrivens Fasth

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    #111 thatguy
    March 22 2014, 07:15PM
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    thatguy wrote:

    hall-nuge-couturier yakupov-anisomov-perron Hendricks-Gordon-colbourne gazdic-brian boyle- ott pitlick

    marincin-petry ference-markov Schultz-Nikitin Klefbom

    Scrivens Fasth

    go for bolland on third line too

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    #112 oil
    March 22 2014, 07:18PM
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    Ryan Smyth NEEDS to hang up the skates. Its embarrassing to watch him. he cant skate, he can hardly shoot the puck. the oilers will not compete in this league until he is gone. Its beginning to be comical.

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    #113 oil
    March 22 2014, 07:20PM
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    Trade gagner for mike babcock!!!

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    #114 Andrew
    March 22 2014, 10:38PM
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    Ryan Smyth - sacred cow. Dallas Eakins is a failure and something is going to blow-up.

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    #115 Spydyr
    March 23 2014, 07:14AM
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    Craig1981 wrote:

    I'm not passionate about Gagner....I do like him. I see a guy that would of scored 65 points in a full season last year. And a guy that has 20 points in the last 28 games and 5th in his team in scoring even though he suffered a major injury. A guy that tries to come back early from a injury to be team guy. I am not calling him all-star, but the team is better with him.

    So he scores a few points that is your answer.He gives up far more goals then he helps score.He hurts the team not helps it.

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    #116 Spydyr
    March 23 2014, 07:21AM
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    ChillyPepper wrote:

    I am just curious, and would like a legitimate answer here.

    I've been a reader here, never a poster and cannot seem to understand the hatred for Gagner. There is post after post after post complaining about everything from management to coaching to the players. These complaints seem to trend back for years. If the management and coaching has been so terrible and have been known to "wreck" their players, why is Gagner a different story? Why are his failures thrown on his back and everyone else almost gets a free pass? If he is such a failure in certain areas, it has come from the people coaching and mentoring him. It's almost as though he is expected to coach himself.

    Right, he should know better. He's a veteran, he is this and he is that. But honestly, who has shown him the way? It sounds to me like he has been expected to figure it out on his own. He is not a coach, he is an athlete. He still needs to be trained and conditioned. Not even Crosby is above coaching, so why does everyone think Gagner should be self taught?

    First off I don't hate anyone.I just don't think Gagner is a very good hockey player.If you want to know why put Spydyr and Gagner in the search window here.You will see the reasons why going back years.

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    #117 zenoil
    March 23 2014, 09:42AM
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    MacT should and all of the old boys should just get up and leave. I'm sick of these idiots. Just seeing their faces has created a pavlovian reflex of utter distain for what they have done to this franchise.

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    #118 rickithebear
    March 23 2014, 04:43PM
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    I always comment on how Opinion is a point of view without fact!

    After going to "some kind of ninja" and looking at shots against while a collection of oilers are on the ice.seeing the goals that result

    I think that, Fraser, Ference, Gazdic are not nhl players.

    championship teams have 9-11 top 200 EVG forwards and usually 4-5 top 100 forwards.

    A list teams players and top (xx) in the brackets and Edmonton that year!

    12-13 CHI: toews (1); Kane (10); Hossa (30); Saad (75); Bickell (75); Stahlberg (75); shaw (140); Bolland (160); Sharp (200)

    12-13 EDM: Eberle (20); Hall (30); Yakupov (40); Gagner (50); MP (160)

    LAK: was more defensive team: but they still had 7 and a player who had been top 100 returned in the playoffs.

    Carter (60); Kopitar (90); Gagne (90); King (90); williams (130); Brown (140); Richards (160)

    EDM: Eberle (12); RNH (90); Smyth (90); Hall (110); Gagner (140); Jones (140); Hemsky (200)

    EDM 13-14: hall (20); Perron (25); Eberle (45); RNH (145); Gagner (220); Yak (220); Goedon (250); Smyth (290); hendricks (290).

    we see that Hall, Perron, Eberle, are top 50 EVG scorers.

    Yak has already been a top 50 EVG scorer in the correct system.

    RNH top 90 when healthy!

    Gagner, Smyth paired with quality scorers are top 120 EVG.

    Hemdricks adn Gordon make high caliber #11 and 12 forwards. And if you run 3 of the 20 best PKGA forwards on the 4th.

    Hall-RNH-XXX Perron-XXX-Eberle XXX-Gagner-XXX Hendricks-Gordon-Smyth

    looking @ EVGA

    XXX-XXX

    Marincin-Petry

    Klefbom - SChultz

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