BOA Round 214: Flames at Oilers

Ryan Pike
March 22 2014 03:10PM

Ladies and gentlemen, tonight is the fifth meeting of the season (and 214th meeting overall) between the Calgary Flames and the Edmonton Oilers. It's their last meeting until next season, too. I'd say the season series is up for grabs, as each team has won twice - the road team always won - but the Flames needed overtime in both wins at Rexall. The Flames need a win to tie the season series in terms of points earned.

That's about as far as this game goes in terms of "significance."

Calgary has 63 points and 12 games left. Edmonton has 59 points and 11 games left. The gap can close considerably with an Edmonton win, while a Calgary win probably cements their draft placement.

THE HOME TEAM

It goes without saying that it's been a disappointing year in Edmonton. I don't think they spent time and money bringing in Dallas Eakins to lead the club to 29th place. The Oilers lost two nights ago to Buffalo, but have been playing solid lately, winning five of their last 10.

Lines, via Daily Faceoff:

Hall - Gagner - Perron
Lander - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Hendricks - Gordon - Pitlick
Gazdic - Smyth - Jones

Ference - Schultz
Marincin - Petry
Klefbom - Fraser

Fasth

Viktor Fasth gets his first Battle of Alberta start. He was 2-0-0 with a shutout in two games against the Flames while with Anaheim.

The Oilers obviously have some skilled players (that top line, that second line) and are starting to figure out the "depth role player" riddle. That third line is actually pretty solid. But the defense is a bit dodgy, so you can figure out why they are in the general area that they are, standings-wise.

Oddly, Edmonton has the edge on Calgary on the power-play, the penalty kill and in five-on-five goal differential. How come Calgary's higher in the standings? Probably because Calgary's gotten some big contributions from their back-end (Giordano & Brodie, primarily) and some from their depth guys, while Edmonton remains top-heavy.

But if they can ever build something around that top group, wowzers. Granted, we've been saying this for years, but the Oilers could be scary-good if the guys building the team had a plan besides "draft high."

THE ROAD TEAM

The Flames are smarting a bit after last night. On one hand, they scored five goals! On the other, they gave up six. To Nashville, who rarely scores. Yikes.

Lines, via Daily Faceoff:

Cammalleri - Backlund - Byron
Glencross - Stajan - Hudler
Agostino - Monahan - Bouma
Westgarth - Colborne - McGrattan

Giordano - Brodie
Butler - Russell
Smid - Wotherspoon

Ramo

Karri Ramo returns after being out since before the Olympics with an MCL sprain. Joni Ortio returns to the AHL and Joey MacDonald is the back-up for the rest of the year.

Now that they're getting healthy, the Flames are rapidly beginning to resemble an NHL team. Kenny Agostino makes his Battle of Alberta debut after making his NHL debut last night, playing 12:40 in the loss to the Preds. Returning to the line-up is Kevin Westgarth - slotting in for T.J. Galiardi on the bottom line - and God, I hope Westgarth doesn't try to fight Gazdic again.

The Flames have also won five of their last ten games, so they're about as "hot" as the Edmonton Oilers right now.

SUM IT UP

It's a late-season game between two teams that are well out of the playoff picture! The best each club can hope for some emotion in this tilt, as each group tries to gain some momentum to close out the year.

Let's hope that this time next season, these games have a little bit more significance in the standings, because hockey's better when the Flames and Oilers are both doing well and Alberta is a place visiting teams fear to tread.

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Now in his third full season covering the Calgary Flames and the NHL, Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's trying to keep his head up, his stick on the ice and is giving it 110% every shift. You can also find his work at The Hockey Writers, the Wrestling Observer and Tough Talk MMA.
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#1 They're $hittie
March 22 2014, 03:29PM
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Baertschi with the winner.

oh wait he sucks and isnt in the NHL.

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#2 Bringbackslats
March 22 2014, 11:35PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

It's 8-1 on Rexall ice great. Thanks for asking.

Yes a hearty congrats to you. Beating the 2nd worst team in the league could only make a true flames chump feel like a champ. We won the last cup more recently than you, and we'll be vying for the cup before you do again.

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#3 Sevenseven
March 22 2014, 09:57PM
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Flames fans be a trollin. But hey, im happy for you guys. After the flooding this summer you guys deserve some good luck. It musta been tough getting all the water outta the saddledome with only 1 cup.

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#4 Bringbackslats
March 22 2014, 11:10PM
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Bringbackslats wrote:

Everyday of your life save for one has been "a non- Stanley Cup winning Day" you dork. Can you divide the #5 by the #1? That's what I thought. Even without 99 we still have as many cups as you do. But oh that's right. We have 4 more.

Guess which Flamer fan on here trashed my post? You lemon... Get a life and get on your own teams message boards. And BTW not only do we have 4 more cups than your sorry team but we also made it to game seven more recently than you... So what the hell are you so smug about?

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#5 Bringbackslats
March 22 2014, 11:01PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

This might be the greatest non Stanley Cup winning day of my Flames loving life.

Everyday of your life save for one has been "a non- Stanley Cup winning Day" you dork. Can you divide the #5 by the #1? That's what I thought. Even without 99 we still have as many cups as you do. But oh that's right. We have 4 more.

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#6 Quintana
March 22 2014, 11:05PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Whenever I have even a pang of sympathy for the Oilers I think of Esa Tikkanen and it goes away.

Go away troll!!!!! 5 cups is more than 1......thats all!!!

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#7 dan
March 22 2014, 03:26PM
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if we combine both teams into one, they might be able to make the AHL playoffs.... maybe...

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#8 TheresAlwaysNextYear
March 22 2014, 05:33PM
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looking forward to gazdic laying the smack down incase of possible retribution. gazda vs mcgratton round 2 would basically determine who the best enforcer in the NHL is.

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#9 Bringbackslats
March 22 2014, 11:16PM
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@BurningSensation

Yeah and your rebuild after you passed on Martin St Louis and "Lost the cup to TB the next year" is going great?

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#10 Oiler Al
March 22 2014, 11:39PM
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Taught there was a terrible smell on this site... then realized all the COWPIES on here.

What a bunch of hillbillies.

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#11 Quintana
March 23 2014, 12:40AM
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If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin wrote:

Call them what you want. They`re the same guys that handed your plethora of first-overall picks an a$$-whuppin tonight (in your own barn no less). Seriously, with fans like you that persistenly trump out the so-called glory years as a defense mechanism for all things hockey, I now get how Lowe and company repeatedly get away with incompetence.

So Stajan, Glencross, Hudler, Byron and Cammy are the new rebuilding for you guys..........26th place. pffffff

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#12 Loweblows
March 23 2014, 08:35AM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'm embarrassed to call you a fellow Oiler fan. Tuck your tail between your legs and run. We just had our bums handed to us tonight. 8-1. There's no rebuttal.

Read the trash and take it.

Hats off, Flames fans.

The Edmonton Oilers should be relegated to the AHL.

Never will I submit to some flames fan taunt. I am ashamed to call you an oiler fan my friend.

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#13 They're $hittie
March 22 2014, 04:39PM
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@BurningSensation

and your using baerstchi as an example., he was clearly rushed in and now he is done.

Monohan is scoring goals but his production for a late ager draft pick is also not going to be as high as gagner and extremely young pick in his draft year.

RNH does not drown in his own end. Hall is better than monohan was in his own end.

Also the oilers brought first overall picks in early.

Monohan was 6th,

you should probably get your facts straight. Gagner was the only one rushed in and he played remarkably well for an 18 year old.

ANy oiler that was considered to be our teams next one is in the NHL and is a top line player.

Flames fans thought Sven was going to break 50 points this year.

LMFAO bahahahahahahah.

Next up Geadreau all 5 foot 7 of him.

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#14 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 09:15PM
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I'm still in awe at how stupid these Flames fans are. I would find it hilarious if I didn't have to share a province with them.

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#15 Loweblows
March 22 2014, 09:32PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Always likes the way glencross plays the game. Happy to see him back the knee injuries looked pretty bad. Goal scorers goal.

Shut up

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#16 ChinookArch
March 22 2014, 03:59PM
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Oh it's going to be fun watching Sweat Pants Nation jeer their own team from the comfort of my TV in Calgary. Truthfully, the Flames rebuild is just starting and it's been painful at times, but most of us are quite happy with the progress and we are excited about the future of our team. On the other hand, it's been an absolute pleasure going to ON and reading the comment section, after each Oiler loss (and there's been a lot of them!). Man, things are bad in the provincial capital, and the bitterness and vitriol toward the Oilers is priceless.

Keep it up Edmonton! Our rebuild is so much easier to take when we look North, or should I say below the Flames in the standings.

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#17 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 09:07PM
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Good Christ, are you Flames fans for real? I'll say it nice and slow for you:

GAZDIC. HAS. TO. WEAR. THE. VISOR.

Grandfathering rule: any player new to the league in 13/14 is required to wear a visor.

It's in the fricking rule book that he wear one. Though I know reading is a little beyond Flames fans. He takes his helmet off, the linesmen jump in, he gets two minutes. I think you're all just mad that he knocked your little Westgarth into next week last game.

You morons are almost as bad as the bush league HNIC broadcasters.

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#18 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 10:55PM
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@Doctor Smashy

The guy thinks a helmet is called a visor. Don't get sucked into his idiocy, I made that mistake.

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#19 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 09:33PM
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@Primo

Again, I know most Flames fans don't actually possess the ability to read, but it's GAZDIC.

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#20 Sevenseven
March 22 2014, 10:15PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

This might be the greatest non Stanley Cup winning day of my Flames loving life.

Thanks for giving us a better draft pic Calgary :)

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#21 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 10:28PM
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@Rockmorton65

"If he's not allowed, then how are other tough guys in the league doing it?"

Are you... Are you serious? You really can't read, can you? I already explained the reason why he can't. The grandfather visor rule that was just put in place? The rule that says any player new to the league in 13/14 has to wear a visor? The fact that Gazdic WAS NEW TO THE LEAGUE IN 2013?

Here,let me give you bullet points, it's easier to digest:

-NHL/NHLPA agree any player entering the league in 13/14 and beyond must wear a visor

-Gazdic enters the league in 13/14

-Gazdic must wear a visor

Got it? I don't usually get mad at people on the internet, but the thought of you actually reproducing kind of pisses me off.

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#22 RexHolez
March 22 2014, 10:35PM
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#oilerpositives - flames still havnt won 5 cups

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#23 Loweblows
March 23 2014, 08:39AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Coming from the guy blowing Kevin Lowe, I wouldn't make too many jokes

Your comeback makes no sense. Try again.

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#24 Jackson
March 22 2014, 03:36PM
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Last year Oilers won the last 2 meaningless games of the season and went from 6th pick to 7th.

No biggie they would have drafted Sean Monahan.

I'm glad they won those last 2 games last year they carried that momentum into this year. They are a much better team for it.

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#25 BurningSensation
March 22 2014, 03:53PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Baertschi with the winner.

oh wait he sucks and isnt in the NHL.

Unlike the Oilers we prefer our draft picks to actually be ready for the NHL before we make them regulars.

Watching your 1st overalls drown in their own end has a special kind of schadenfreude to it.

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#26 Loweblows
March 22 2014, 09:48PM
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kevin wrote:

Gio now has 43 points in what 53 games and is a plus 10 on a poor team..maybe I'm being a homer here but I feel he should be atlest a finalist for the norris

Am I on the flames nation site? I give a rats a$$ about any flame. FIRE EAKINS!

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#27 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 22 2014, 06:52PM
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@TheresAlwaysNextYear

Gazdic is an idiot... challenges people with his visor strapped tightly to his head, likes to hurt little people. Not on the same page as McGratton, who follows the "code".

Gazdick fits in well with edmonton's character/persona... cheap shot chicken-*****

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#28 quintana
March 22 2014, 10:03PM
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Emir wrote:

One cup was rough work so the flames contracted the oilers top 6 to suck it all out

No but hey we can help you guys with the 5 cups we got.

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#29 Randaman
March 22 2014, 09:05PM
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So let me get this straight. A senile blowhard says it is better (honourable) to remove the helmet and possibly get your skull fractured hitting the ice? I thought that penalty was brought in, to prevent more injuries. Cherry was and always will be a complete idiot. He is after all a Leaf fan. Let the competition committee make those decisions. Retire you old goat!!!

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#30 -30-
March 22 2014, 09:27PM
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Fire Eakins but keep Smith and Buchberger!

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#31 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 10:49PM
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@Rockmorton65

Sigh...

If you would've said "helmet" to begin with instead of "visor", I wouldn't have thought you were a complete numbskull. Removing ones helmet, and removing ones visor can be two completely different things.

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#32 rob
March 22 2014, 03:15PM
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bet a tie on your sports select,flames win in shootout,it sucks but true

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#33 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 09:27PM
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@Rockmorton65

By this logic, no one entering the league after this season can fight. Flames fans.

Also, Gazdic would ragdoll you like a child. But everyone's ten feet tall and bulletproof behind the keyboard.

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#34 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 10:38PM
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@dw

I'm like 99% sure he still thinks Gazdic is allowed to play without a visor, but chooses not to.

I can hear him mouth-breathing from here.

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#35 Dave
March 22 2014, 03:23PM
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Just wondering, last game with Hall playing ridiculous minutes: did anyone else notice our sudden lack of offensive depth thanks to injuries to Ebs & Yak? Hemsky's value, as I said before, was that he could move up and down the line-up from a #3RW to #1RW. Just saying it's far worth having that on your team than letting it go for pucks.

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#36 hemi
March 22 2014, 03:30PM
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Been paying attention to some other sites that have comments about the Oil and Flames game tonight. Man, am I ever getting sick of being pissed on! Edmonton will win tonight even though when it comes to work ethic, the flames beat us hands down. Time for the boys to pony up and even though the rest of the league looks at both teams as losers....and the game means nothing in the overall picture, I still want the OIL to win regardless.

OIL 3, Flames 2.

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#37 Bean-counting cowboy
March 22 2014, 04:05PM
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dan wrote:

if we combine both teams into one, they might be able to make the AHL playoffs.... maybe...

For fun, my combined team goes like this (based on who is playing tonight):

Hall/RNH/Perron

Cammy/Backlund/Eberle

Glencross/Stajan/Hudler

Hendricks/Gordon/Bouma

Gio/Brodie

Ference/Schultz

Russell/Petry

Scrivens backed up by Ramo.

I think this team would have a shot at the NHL playoffs. Tried to fit everyone into a good role based on their skills.

Left off Gagner as he doesn't fit in that top 6 and is doesn't really fit the bottom 6 role. Same goes for Monahan. Kid can put up some points in sheltered role, but really needs more time to make this team.

Agree? Disagree? What would yours look like?

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#38 They're $hittie
March 22 2014, 06:19PM
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Chambers wrote:

There is no correlation between trash and intelligence. You must be an Oiler fan.

If your able to read this...Get it together!

It is consistently flames fans that are too stupid to figure it out that these are posted on both sites. It is flames fans that call out troll when someone says something about their team and don't have a clue that it is on both sites,

Let me guess you got your first flames jersey in 2004?

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#39 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 23 2014, 07:04AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

"If he's not allowed, then how are other tough guys in the league doing it?"

Are you... Are you serious? You really can't read, can you? I already explained the reason why he can't. The grandfather visor rule that was just put in place? The rule that says any player new to the league in 13/14 has to wear a visor? The fact that Gazdic WAS NEW TO THE LEAGUE IN 2013?

Here,let me give you bullet points, it's easier to digest:

-NHL/NHLPA agree any player entering the league in 13/14 and beyond must wear a visor

-Gazdic enters the league in 13/14

-Gazdic must wear a visor

Got it? I don't usually get mad at people on the internet, but the thought of you actually reproducing kind of pisses me off.

Don Cherry called it like it is, and 99.9% of oiler fans are just quiet about it causr they know its true and it stinks. then tbere is the .01% of the fan base - you - that sound like idiots trying to concont dome lame defense for an enforcer wearing a visor.

you say he has to wdar it.... but as cherry pointed out, he can take the helmet off before the fight... of course the other fighter would have to do the same to even out tbe penalties and he would, because they are 'honorable'.

sometimes you see smaller guys that wear visors who get caught in an unexpected fight who dont take it off but a guy like Gaz is a monstet and an enforcer and it is sick that he hides behind a visor and laughs at the other guy whose hand is all torn up.

if you havent noticed ill point it out to you. 99% of your fellow oiler fans are quiet... you should out of respect for them and for the sport join them and quit embarrasing everyone with such stupid arguments.

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#40 Loweblows
March 23 2014, 11:01AM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I actually said it was one of the biggest moments in my life as a FLAMES FAN (a decidedly small part of my overall 'Life').

As for the meaning of your moniker, you have three options;

- Kevn Lowe (and the Oilers) suck - Groin shots (what it is like to be an Oiler fan) - you like oral with Kevin Lowe

All of which I believe are appropriate after last night.

When the Oil beat Calgary last year I for one did not go on the flames nation site to gloat. To do so would be an obvious admission that I am an insecure person that needs to insult other to feel good about myself. So what is it that makes you such an insecure person? Perhaps you have a few shortcomings?

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#41 BurningSensation
March 22 2014, 04:54PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

and your using baerstchi as an example., he was clearly rushed in and now he is done.

Monohan is scoring goals but his production for a late ager draft pick is also not going to be as high as gagner and extremely young pick in his draft year.

RNH does not drown in his own end. Hall is better than monohan was in his own end.

Also the oilers brought first overall picks in early.

Monohan was 6th,

you should probably get your facts straight. Gagner was the only one rushed in and he played remarkably well for an 18 year old.

ANy oiler that was considered to be our teams next one is in the NHL and is a top line player.

Flames fans thought Sven was going to break 50 points this year.

LMFAO bahahahahahahah.

Next up Geadreau all 5 foot 7 of him.

In the order you raised them;

- Sven has been developing quite nicely thanks, and he is currently trending better than Yakupov your prize first overall

- Gagner's best season is still his rookie year. Boy, you guys sure have done a bang up job developing him...into a total liability at both ends of the icee.

- RNH has a negative Corsi. In other words, drowning.

- Hall is four years older than Monahan, I'd expect even a meathead like him can learn to play in his own end better than a raw rookie.

- Not a complete sentence. I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

- Monahan was indeed picked 6th. Bravo, you got one right!

- Gagner played 'remarkably well' as an 18 year old. Against cherry competition, with favourable zone starts, and without being over 50% at the dot.

- Really? Yakkupov is a 'top-line player'? I'll give you Hall (cuz he is actually very good), but both the Nuge and the Yak are floundering.

- Oilers fans thought they would finish ahead of Calgary this year! Too funny.

- Next up, a Calder trophy for Gaudreau. Book it.

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#42 BobbyO
March 22 2014, 09:15PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Good Christ, are you Flames fans for real? I'll say it nice and slow for you:

GAZDIC. HAS. TO. WEAR. THE. VISOR.

Grandfathering rule: any player new to the league in 13/14 is required to wear a visor.

It's in the fricking rule book that he wear one. Though I know reading is a little beyond Flames fans. He takes his helmet off, the linesmen jump in, he gets two minutes. I think you're all just mad that he knocked your little Westgarth into next week last game.

You morons are almost as bad as the bush league HNIC broadcasters.

Good Christ Oiler fans..If Gadzik was a MAN he would take off his Visor and fight like one. GADZIK. HAS. TO. TAKE. THE VISOR OFF AND FIGHT LIKE A MAN!!

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#43 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 09:19PM
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@BobbyO

Great rebuttal, I'm floored by your command of logic.

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#44 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 22 2014, 10:19PM
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@BobbyO

Eight years of minor hockey growing up, shinny every winter. I work up north so I can't join a beer league, or I'd be doing that too.

But you guys are right, why bother reading the rulebook? It's just there to, you know, GOVERN THE RULES OF THE GAME.

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#45 Quintana
March 22 2014, 11:10PM
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BobbyO wrote:

Oiler fans have 2 things to look forward too:

1) Living The Past 2) Draft Day

So Flames Fans!!!!!

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#46 Rod from Viking
March 22 2014, 11:56PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome your rebuild is going.

You should be able to hear out of one ear, there is only one cup ringing in an ear.

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#47 cccsberg
March 22 2014, 04:03PM
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beloch wrote:

Combined blueline salary:
Edmonton: $10.8M
Calgary: $19.0M

These two teams clearly place completely different values on defense. Edmonton isn't getting good value for what they're spending either. $3.25M of that is for Ference (5on5 Corsi On: -15.77, Corsi Rel: -7.1)!

The Oilers have a bunch of offensive superstars who are rapidly approaching peak and who do score very well, even if possession and defensive play are not their strong points. They've utterly neglected defense in favor of offense. Can someone please explain to me how the Oilers are still 23rd in the league for scoring, and just 0.05ppg ahead of the Flames?

Anyways, here's to another Battle of Alberta. It might not be the most meaningful edition of the BoA in history, but it's still what our two clubs live for!

Oilers have zero superstars, though I'll give you Hall is very good at least in the offensive zone, other areas he's just plain offensive. Sure glad Edmonton has such a great offence, yup, a couple more goals than the Flames who have "zero talent..."

And for once would you have some pride and win a game at home, you've hogged the top picks long enough. Though, I see Oiler fans have already accepted the built-in excuse of a tough finishing schedule so if you can't win anything for the rest of the season its certainly not because the team is mailing it in or is just plain awful.

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#48 They're $hittie
March 22 2014, 06:16PM
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BurningSensation wrote:

Again, in the order you raised them;

- Believe me when I say this, I hope to God the Oilers continue to invest in Gagner. Seriously, it is the best possible thing for all Flames fans everywhere that you continue to employ him.

- Sven is indeed not in the NHL, he is in the AHL where he is developing a solid NHL game in all three zones. I completely understand that allowing prospects to develop in the minors is foreign to you, let alone having them develop good defensive habits.

- Actually it was you who compared Hall to Monahan - and I agree that it is unfair comparison given age, draft position, etc. Maybe next time you'll make a more valid comparison.

- Nobody has crowned Gaudreau an 'elite player'. Elite prospect, definitely (Hobey Baker, here we come).

- Yakupov will indeed bounce back (or rather, just get better, he's never been very good), once the Oilers trade him away for pennies on the $.

- As somebody already pointed out Monahan already has more goals in his rookie year than Gagner has ever scored in a full season. Please, keep him as your #2C, I'm begging you. While I'm at it, I'm writing a letter to Darryl Katz begging him to keep Kevin Lowe and Dallas Eakins forever.

So Yakupov has never been good huh?

I guess last years stats werent good, I guess that means by comparison Monohans are terrible.

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#49 BurningSensation
March 22 2014, 10:32PM
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Is there any evidence that Butler has improved over the 2nd half of the season? I still think he looks like junk.

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#50 Rockmorton65
March 22 2014, 11:00PM
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Doctor Smashy wrote:

You mean they carry a screwdriver with them on the ice? What you are saying makes sense as long as you don't think about it. He has to wear a visor (you know the rule), he can't take of his helmet, his opponent can't take off his helmet for him (we'vee all seen that attempted), but you're saying you know of classy players that take the visor off just before the fight? Are you the guy who farts in an elevator with only one other person in it and thinks they won't know it was you if you act surprised?

I'm sorry. I forgot I was talking to Oiler fans. Good Lord. I said visor when I meant helmet. I thought you all could figure out what I meant. To remove the visor you have to take off the helmet, obviously. Guess I'll need to be more specific when in a shared thread. Good night, and wow.

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