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Lowetide
March 22 2014 11:08PM

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As an Oiler fan, I can give you chapter and verse about low points in organization history. The quick exit in 1983 was nothing—we knew the Oilers would be back. The Pronger trade request was a bad damn day, I suspect you remember it. Tonight? Losing like this to the current edition of the Calgary Flames? Come on.

I'm not one for grand gestures, and I'm certainly not one who believes any business or organization should have a knee jerk reaction to a specific trainwreck. However, the score and the Hall-Eakins exchange are the cherry on top of a truly incredible season.

Oiler fans have, in my opinion, been amazingly patient during this rebuild. Even in this season—which is the most trying year of all—the grumbling has been less than one might expect based on performance/expectation.

The remaining schedule is difficult, the jerseys keep flying from the stands (and may I say that's getting old) and the hits just keep on coming.

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Looked liked Dallas Eakins and Taylor Hall had some frayed nerves tonight. That can be a good thing—this has to be a low for both men—and something good could come from it. Sometimes these things don't work out, and history tells us if one of them is leaving we already know his name.

This has all the makings of a bizarre spring. It is, at the very least, a dramatic low point in a season that defies description. We've passed surprise and driven through anger, and long ago stopped checking the standings.

What's next? I suspect the answer is indifference.

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#101 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 07:17AM
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If there ever was a time for a bag skate .This is it.

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#102 OilBomber
March 23 2014, 07:21AM
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The Oilers realize that their sports motivational psycho-babble of assigning values to a meaningless icon/deity (the Oilers logo, for example) may work to motivate them, it does NOT APPLY TO A PAYING CUSTOMER. Oilers players and management should take the jersey on the ice for what it is - a paying customer providing honest feedback on the value of entertainment service provided. NOTHING MORE.

If the Oilers want people to be respectful, show respect for your customers.

Lowetide, is there a word for a lower nadir? Maybe a sub nadir? I thought we had already reached the nadir of the season a couple months ago.

Using Dante's model, the bad news is that we are likely only in the eighth circle (Fraud). We still have to descend to the ninth circle (Treachery) before we can start climbing our way back out - and experiencing it all over again.

The good news is that there are allot of good hockey teams out there to cheer for - the professional ones would welcome your business, the amateur ones your support.

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#103 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 07:24AM
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Imagine if the OIlers had a player like Glencross.Oh wait,thanks Lowe..

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#104 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 23 2014, 07:25AM
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Some of you older guys have been Oiler fans longer than most of the current team has been alive. If I'm this disgusted, I can't even imagine how you guys are feeling.

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#105 -30-
March 23 2014, 07:26AM
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The really funny thing about Saturday's game and this website is that the next time the Oilers have a good game the mood will be 180 degrees different.

The Oilers needed to be spanked and I'm a fan.

Until the forwards learn to come back and help our pathetic defence they will continue to be draft hopefuls.

I still see a lack of effort from this team. We're not changing coaches for a year at least but in my fantasy world I see Hitchcock or Keenan coming in here and reading the riot act. I swear that would make a difference.

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#106 John Kirsch
March 23 2014, 07:29AM
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OilBomber wrote:

The Oilers realize that their sports motivational psycho-babble of assigning values to a meaningless icon/deity (the Oilers logo, for example) may work to motivate them, it does NOT APPLY TO A PAYING CUSTOMER. Oilers players and management should take the jersey on the ice for what it is - a paying customer providing honest feedback on the value of entertainment service provided. NOTHING MORE.

If the Oilers want people to be respectful, show respect for your customers.

Lowetide, is there a word for a lower nadir? Maybe a sub nadir? I thought we had already reached the nadir of the season a couple months ago.

Using Dante's model, the bad news is that we are likely only in the eighth circle (Fraud). We still have to descend to the ninth circle (Treachery) before we can start climbing our way back out - and experiencing it all over again.

The good news is that there are allot of good hockey teams out there to cheer for - the professional ones would welcome your business, the amateur ones your support.

Great post!

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#107 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 07:30AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Some of you older guys have been Oiler fans longer than most of the current team has been alive. If I'm this disgusted, I can't even imagine how you guys are feeling.

I'm an old guy used to go to WHA games for $2.50 I was spitting mad last night.Then I watched sportscenter and they mentioned it was Stajan's third game back after the death of his infant son.That put things in perspective .The Oilers are a joke a farce but for things that really matter in life the Oilers are entertainment.

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#108 Gaz
March 23 2014, 07:33AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Someone should have thrown it back at him.

They should be apologizing to that fan and all of the other fans who buy the tickets and the jerseys for the horrible entertainment experience they provided - not criticize them.

Completely wrong, my platitude-filled friend.

The guys on the ice play the game. They are professional athletes and don't like to lose either.

The object of the fans' anger is management, not the players they have assembled to play.

I will NEVER understand disrespecting and belittling employees for the actions of owners and managers.

As you claim to be a business owner, I would expect you to stand up and take it on the chin when your company has a misstep...or do you hide in your office and let your front-line take heat?

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#109 Rod from Viking
March 23 2014, 07:38AM
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If there ever was a time for a bag skate .This is it.

I cant even remember the last time when this team had one, I think Renny had one, they have deserved many but Mr Healthy usually has an optional instead that only the real team guys show up to. I hated the Hall interview, to me that is what is the problem of this team, talk is extremely cheap. Mac T is going to have to take back his "Dallas isn't going anywhere" and or "we like our core" just like the "bold moves" statement.I really can't see the season ticket holders being led down the path t as easily this year. It is time for someone who is being paid by Katz to be shown the door for this debacle.

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#110 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 07:42AM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

I cant even remember the last time when this team had one, I think Renny had one, they have deserved many but Mr Healthy usually has an optional instead that only the real team guys show up to. I hated the Hall interview, to me that is what is the problem of this team, talk is extremely cheap. Mac T is going to have to take back his "Dallas isn't going anywhere" and or "we like our core" just like the "bold moves" statement.I really can't see the season ticket holders being led down the path t as easily this year. It is time for someone who is being paid by Katz to be shown the door for this debacle.

Accountability.The Oilers should get some.

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#111 Wintoon
March 23 2014, 07:43AM
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In reading the comments there is a lot of venting going on. Some of the comments are over the top but most are justified. The most perplexing question, however, is "What is next for the organization?"

It will be very interesting to see the corporate response to this humiliating debacle. Will Katz issue another letter of apology to the fans? Will Lowe offer up his resignation to Katz only to have Katz not accept it? Will MacTavish change his plan relative to the draft and the re-build? Will Eakins actually admit to having misjudged the situation?

Or will it be none of the above?

Will the critical decisions regarding the future of the franchise be left to the fans? Will the fans have to express their fury by staying away from the rink, by not renewing season tickets, by not buying merchandise?

Will be interesting to see which way this all goes.

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#112 D-Unit
March 23 2014, 07:44AM
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This:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jogIFynycWI

There has go to be consequences!

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#113 Ari Gold
March 23 2014, 07:44AM
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I'd be satisfied it fewer than 1000 fans showed up to the next game.

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#114 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 07:50AM
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Distant wrote:

He gives a damn most nights, unlike the rest of the team. He minced words in that interview. There is a PR crunch on anyone who says something realistic about the team thanks to Oilers brass. If there is any blame to be placed, it is on to ownership and management.

Well they kicked a guy out the building for wearing his jersey inside out. What do you think Lowe would do if hall publically criticized the team?

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#115 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 23 2014, 07:52AM
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@Spydyr

Very good point, and holy crap what a beauty shootout goal he potted last night.

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#116 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 07:53AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Well they kicked a guy out the building for wearing his jersey inside out. What do you think Lowe would do if hall publically criticized the team?

Trade him to Calgary for magic beans?

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#117 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 07:56AM
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Fyvm wrote:

On top of all the current discussion about competency and irrelevance where is the bloated and entitled press in all this sh@t? Whats with all the softball questions at every single interview? Afraid of losing your press passes girls? If the sports press in this market had one nut amongst them I would be surprised. Why aren't they more pointed in their questions? Because they have their snouts thrust into the trough up to their ears.

There are stories here that aren't being touched that are a hell of a lot more important than jumping on the back of a 20 yr old 2nd year player. But of course Yak is an easy whipping boy for coaches and media to gang up on. There is alot more rotten in our town than Denmark.

Can't prop this comment enough. The Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and New York press would be eating the management of this team alive. Here we see cool polite, almost a "sorry to ask you this" attitude.

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#118 Path
March 23 2014, 08:02AM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'd be satisfied it fewer than 1000 fans showed up to the next game.

It seems to me that this sort of action is the only thing that would trigger a meaningful response from Katz. But I can't see it happening.

The organization clearly knows that the fan base is quite pissed. But what incentive does Katz have to do anything about it (other than write a letter)? The building still sells out constantly (even if the physical bodies in the stands don't reflect that). That obviously won't change when the new building is finished, even if this team continues to be a perennially 25-30th place team until it's finished. We're so hockey mad in this city that the quality of the on ice product ultimately doesn't matter. If we were in most other markets (with some exceptions) with this performance since 2006, that fan base would have responded where it counts (attendance), and the organization would have been compelled to respond: Lowe, MacT, Buchberger, Smith would have been ousted permanently long ago. But this organization is the Toronto Maple Leafs 2.0.

So in a sense, I don't really see Katz as a bad businessman. Business is good for him, even with what, 7 or so years of no playoffs? So why change?

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#119 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 08:04AM
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Fyvm wrote:

On top of all the current discussion about competency and irrelevance where is the bloated and entitled press in all this sh@t? Whats with all the softball questions at every single interview? Afraid of losing your press passes girls? If the sports press in this market had one nut amongst them I would be surprised. Why aren't they more pointed in their questions? Because they have their snouts thrust into the trough up to their ears.

There are stories here that aren't being touched that are a hell of a lot more important than jumping on the back of a 20 yr old 2nd year player. But of course Yak is an easy whipping boy for coaches and media to gang up on. There is alot more rotten in our town than Denmark.

Can you imaging if this $hit show known as the Oilers was going down in Montreal?

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#120 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 08:04AM
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Gaz wrote:

Completely wrong, my platitude-filled friend.

The guys on the ice play the game. They are professional athletes and don't like to lose either.

The object of the fans' anger is management, not the players they have assembled to play.

I will NEVER understand disrespecting and belittling employees for the actions of owners and managers.

As you claim to be a business owner, I would expect you to stand up and take it on the chin when your company has a misstep...or do you hide in your office and let your front-line take heat?

Very different situation. My employees don't give interviews to the press. If they did they would give opinions that I authorized.

Now, if Daryl Katz came down to the locker room last night and told the press that he was going to address the media and no one else with their organization would be doing so then your comparison would be valid.

Additional comment:

Players and management are like actors and directors. In entertainment you criticize and question them far more often than you do the executive producers. And they answer inquiries directly just as actors do. And they are the ones we throw tomatoes at...

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#121 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 08:06AM
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Wintoon wrote:

In reading the comments there is a lot of venting going on. Some of the comments are over the top but most are justified. The most perplexing question, however, is "What is next for the organization?"

It will be very interesting to see the corporate response to this humiliating debacle. Will Katz issue another letter of apology to the fans? Will Lowe offer up his resignation to Katz only to have Katz not accept it? Will MacTavish change his plan relative to the draft and the re-build? Will Eakins actually admit to having misjudged the situation?

Or will it be none of the above?

Will the critical decisions regarding the future of the franchise be left to the fans? Will the fans have to express their fury by staying away from the rink, by not renewing season tickets, by not buying merchandise?

Will be interesting to see which way this all goes.

I'm hoping for option 2 but this time Katz does accept it.

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#122 D-Unit
March 23 2014, 08:06AM
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So, does Mr. K have his best PR people writing another "letter to fans" that he won't read, or even care enough to put his signature on?

Or are the PR folks calling season ticket holders assuring them the team will be better, so they renew?

As a fan of the Oil my entire life, I have never been embarrassed to be a fan like I am right now.

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#123 Rod from Viking
March 23 2014, 08:15AM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'd be satisfied it fewer than 1000 fans showed up to the next game.

That would be great, I think less than 1000 season ticket renewals would be the best thing that could happen.

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#124 D-Unit
March 23 2014, 08:18AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Can you imaging if this $hit show known as the Oilers was going down in Montreal?

I only wish we could get a set of media like they have in Montreal. As a fan, we would get real questions, and coaches, managers, and an owner held accountable by the public.

But, in Montreal, they have an owner who cares, who, when he Needed a new GM, hired a consultant to get the right man for the job. He didn't just hire a guy who used to play for the team, and was buddies with for 20 years.

The media here need to "be better" as Gregor likes to put it. The media should represent the fans when questioning the team. As fans we don't have access to question those responsible for this mess. The media here all seem as though they collect a pay cheque from the Oilers. The only place I should expect to get the pro Oilers media spin is from the Oilers PR folks who run their website and are on CHED.

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#125 Rdubb
March 23 2014, 08:22AM
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Yes, we are hitting another low point as the Oilers have lost to the other two worst teams in the past two games. But, let's give MacT some time to fix this. He has done a very good job thus far, but you cannot do a major overhaul in one season when you do not have any veterans whom he can lean on. Now, he has a few, so let's give him this summer to make a few more moves... he has been, by far, the busiest GM in the NHL. He has turned over, what, 8 or 9 guys since he started. The big deals are far much harder to do, especially during the season. I think that we'll see a at least one "bold" move, maybe two this coming summer. Before we start jumping off of The James McDonald, lets see what comes of the summer moves.... Peck

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#126 Quicksilver ballet
March 23 2014, 08:30AM
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For the sillies who thought the Oilers were making progress. When you subtract the .935 goaltending they were getting, we're left with the same old same old Oilers.

Get a capable coaching staff in here who'll help these kids. Eakins sure isn't the answer. The players certainly look to be doing their best to get him canned. Which is worse, 5 coaches in 6 yrs, or hanging onto the one guy that should be fired.

If there's one constant these last five seasons, it must confirm the incompetence with this coaching/management group.

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#127 michael
March 23 2014, 08:31AM
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Looks like I am the only one left on the bus. The rest have jumped off once again.

What a performance. It was as pleasant as watching Kareem Abdul Jabbar act in Airport. It was a very wooden performance. Pedestrian at best. The goaltending was average. And lately how many times have we said that? Not at all I'd say.

It certainly was a head shaker of a game. Left me wondering what's next? The end of season death march continues with a game against the SJ Sharks on Tuesday. What are the odds that Scrivens comes up with another 59 save shutout? Slim and none.

The article earlier this week by Lowetide seems presumptive about winning and blowing the Eckblad pick. With Florida a meager 1 point ahead of us in the standings its almost assuredly a lock that we finish no less than 28th this year. The Oilers will need a minor miracle to win more than 2 of their remaining games. Quite simply its a David vs Goliath scenario for the remainder of the season. But in this case David has no sling and is 5'2and 120lbs.Its going to be painful to watch. For many of you I suggest watching Big Bang reruns.

The wheels on the bus go round and round,round and round....

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#128 spliff
March 23 2014, 08:32AM
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MacT has gotten the benefit of the doubt this year, and is trade activity has resulted in some nice additions. However, if the Oilers end up with 60ish point, then this season must be judged as an epic fail.

Rod Phillips tweeted yesterday "how much losing can the fans take?"

So what now? How much more losing must we take MacT? Do you actually have a plan?

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#129 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 08:32AM
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Rdubb wrote:

Yes, we are hitting another low point as the Oilers have lost to the other two worst teams in the past two games. But, let's give MacT some time to fix this. He has done a very good job thus far, but you cannot do a major overhaul in one season when you do not have any veterans whom he can lean on. Now, he has a few, so let's give him this summer to make a few more moves... he has been, by far, the busiest GM in the NHL. He has turned over, what, 8 or 9 guys since he started. The big deals are far much harder to do, especially during the season. I think that we'll see a at least one "bold" move, maybe two this coming summer. Before we start jumping off of The James McDonald, lets see what comes of the summer moves.... Peck

MacT is at least partly responsible for this fiasco. The coach, - all of the assistants - the one he hired and the two he didn't; the two goalies, and about a third of the line-up last night are his doing.

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#130 Naky
March 23 2014, 08:32AM
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People need to stop frigging going to games. I'm serious. STOP. In one of the last comments, there was a dude who was all proud of how he snapped up a couple upper bowl tickets for 80 bucks because, wow, they're so cheap. Stop it. Do something else. Spend that 80 on something else.

If you understand nothing else, read and understand this:

AS LONG AS THE TICKETS ARE SOLD AND THE SEATS ARE FULL, MANAGEMENT IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB REGARDLESS OF THE PRODUCT ON THE ICE.

Their job is to sell the product and fill the seats. Since you morons keep frigging going to the games, you're rewarding the same management team you crap on every single day.

STOP. GOING.

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#131 Serious Gord
March 23 2014, 08:36AM
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michael wrote:

Looks like I am the only one left on the bus. The rest have jumped off once again.

What a performance. It was as pleasant as watching Kareem Abdul Jabbar act in Airport. It was a very wooden performance. Pedestrian at best. The goaltending was average. And lately how many times have we said that? Not at all I'd say.

It certainly was a head shaker of a game. Left me wondering what's next? The end of season death march continues with a game against the SJ Sharks on Tuesday. What are the odds that Scrivens comes up with another 59 save shutout? Slim and none.

The article earlier this week by Lowetide seems presumptive about winning and blowing the Eckblad pick. With Florida a meager 1 point ahead of us in the standings its almost assuredly a lock that we finish no less than 28th this year. The Oilers will need a minor miracle to win more than 2 of their remaining games. Quite simply its a David vs Goliath scenario for the remainder of the season. But in this case David has no sling and is 5'2and 120lbs.Its going to be painful to watch. For many of you I suggest watching Big Bang reruns.

The wheels on the bus go round and round,round and round....

Your comment reads like someone who is not on the bus. Unless we are talking about a different kind of bus... An oxy bus?

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#132 Rick
March 23 2014, 08:40AM
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Well that didn't take long for Chabot to completely destroy the two new goalies games did it . Has he improved any goalie since he came on board? No And Then there is Smith and Acton and Eakins …….Nelson and crew do a great job of making players NHL ready and sending them up and these guys turn them into beer league players within a month .

I do however believe MacT has Katz'z trust and the authority to make what ever changes that are necessary and that will including toasting the coaches I just wish he would do it sooner then later because if he doesn't I think he is going to spend the first week of the off season dealing with players demanding to be traded including a few of our stars.

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#133 Wonger
March 23 2014, 08:41AM
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DoubleDIon wrote:

I don't think McGratton has lost a fight in his time with the Flames. He's also hardly a bully. He only fights heavyweights and isn't chippy at all. Ignorant comment, guys like Scott go after Kessel type players. McGratton has never done anything like that. BTW, McGratton would tool Scott.

You are completely right! He is the top enforcer, becoming a good hockey player, and most important, A WONDERFUL human being who makes everyone who knows his story want to try harder and be a better person!Apologies to Brian and everyone from a VERY FRUSTRATED and DEFEATED Oiler fan!

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#134 a lg dubl dubl
March 23 2014, 08:45AM
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Id like to hear the audio between Eakins and Hall on the bench.

I don't blame Hall for tossing a water bottle, at least he showed some sort of emotion after the $hit show last night. Where was Eberle's emotion? RNH's? anybody else's emotion?

Eakins has to go, last night proved to me he has no business in the nhl.

NELSON FOR HC!!!

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#135 Loweblows
March 23 2014, 08:47AM
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Eakins said that was the longest 15 minutes he has ever experienced. Correction. This has been the longest season. Fire Eakins.

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#136 S cottV
March 23 2014, 08:51AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

For the sillies who thought the Oilers were making progress. When you subtract the .935 goaltending they were getting, we're left with the same old same old Oilers.

Get a capable coaching staff in here who'll help these kids. Eakins sure isn't the answer. The players certainly look to be doing their best to get him canned. Which is worse, 5 coaches in 6 yrs, or hanging onto the one guy that should be fired.

If there's one constant these last five seasons, it must confirm the incompetence with this coaching/management group.

Exactly. That level of goaltending is not sustainable with the way the team continues to play. It was largely an anomaly.

Have been saying Eakins needs to go since mid November.

MacT needs to fess up.

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#137 Cameron
March 23 2014, 08:51AM
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After the Oilers displayed just how bad they truly are in their last 2 games against Buffalo and Calgary, the Oiler management will be having an emergency meeting today. And the focus will be how to spin this fiasco, how to "put lipstick on the pig" and NOT one second will be spent on responsibility or how to fix the mess.

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#138 gcw_rocks
March 23 2014, 08:54AM
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Nice to see Eakins trying to engineer his own Trembley - Roy moment.

Eakins looks so lost out there. How anyone can watch this team and not question MacT's judgement i don't know.

Let's refresh. Krueger realizes he needs more support behind the bench than Lowe's cronies can provide to improve the team and perhaps help him with improving his tactics. MacT goes forth and gets enamoured with Eakins after an interview and had a knee jerk reaction to fire Krueger and hire Eakins. This would be the same GM who thought Klefbom was NHL ready after watching one game or less. He also saddles Eakins with the same crappy assistants Renney and Krueger had to deal with.

Judgement, people. MacT lacks it. Fire them all to be safe.

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#139 CMG30
March 23 2014, 08:55AM
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Well, last night made it clear that the problem is in the dressing room. Either the players won't or can't buy into the system. Hemsky's parting comments were further evidence to this. It's up to the GM to fix this. Considering that we're on our 4th coach in 5 years, it's time to fire the players. Clean house in the summer. Start the rebuild over. Honestly, we're closer if we do because this current incarnation will spin it's wheels for decades.

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#140 Spydyr
March 23 2014, 08:55AM
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At least Redford had the balls to step down unlike Lowe.

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#141 Harlie
March 23 2014, 08:59AM
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I rewound and watched the Eakins Hall exchange over and over again and it struck me as Hall being the only one to say something on the bench and Eakins not liking it.

Gazdic never even turned his head acted like nothing was happening. Eberle sat there stone faced as well. Only Perron reached over to calm Hall down and that only kinda pissed him off it looked like.

I was kinda surprised that Acton didn't do a damn thing either he just moved out of Eakins way to let him do his thing.

This was a bizarre scene and only could have been bigger if Hall stood up and turned to face Eakins and walked down the runway like Pat Roy in Montreal many years ago.

To me it looks like Eakins runs the ship with an iron fist and Hall is sick of the bad results and is not afraid to speak up about it.

I've got Hall's back on this one.

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#142 gcw_rocks
March 23 2014, 09:06AM
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Yes, we are hitting another low point as the Oilers have lost to the other two worst teams in the past two games. But, let's give MacT some time to fix this. He has done a very good job thus far, but you cannot do a major overhaul in one season when you do not have any veterans whom he can lean on. Now, he has a few, so let's give him this summer to make a few more moves... he has been, by far, the busiest GM in the NHL. He has turned over, what, 8 or 9 guys since he started. The big deals are far much harder to do, especially during the season. I think that we'll see a at least one "bold" move, maybe two this coming summer. Before we start jumping off of The James McDonald, lets see what comes of the summer moves.... Peck

Volume of activity is not a good metric to use. The question should be, are the moves good moves?

MacT had had some good moves, Perron being the best of them. Scrivens might be a good move but we need to reserve judgement until mid next season.

But when you look at the number of players he has acquired that have no business an NHL team - Fraser, Hamilton, Jones, Grebeshkov, Acton, Joensuu, Hunt, Gazdic, McIntyre - demonstrates lack of judgement and vision.

Adding the risk of a rookie head coach into this high risk situation was also poor judgement. Retaining the assistant coaches was poor judgement.

Offering Clarkson $6M per on a long term contract shows poor judgement.

Giving Ference a four year deal shows poor judgement.

And you want to give MacT more time? You have got to be kidding. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

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#143 hurryhard!
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The really funny thing about Saturday's game and this website is that the next time the Oilers have a good game the mood will be 180 degrees different.

The Oilers needed to be spanked and I'm a fan.

Until the forwards learn to come back and help our pathetic defence they will continue to be draft hopefuls.

I still see a lack of effort from this team. We're not changing coaches for a year at least but in my fantasy world I see Hitchcock or Keenan coming in here and reading the riot act. I swear that would make a difference.

You do Not want Keenan. Trust me. The game has passed him by. Just look at his sad work in Calgary. Hitchcock would certainly make a difference but only if someone gets him the talent to work with. Coaching does make a difference for sure but so does having a team that is willing to sacrifice personal needs every night to make the group better. Dont see that from a lot of the Oiler's stars. Or is that just me?

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#144 pelhem grenville
March 23 2014, 09:18AM
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For the sillies who thought the Oilers were making progress. When you subtract the .935 goaltending they were getting, we're left with the same old same old Oilers.

Get a capable coaching staff in here who'll help these kids. Eakins sure isn't the answer. The players certainly look to be doing their best to get him canned. Which is worse, 5 coaches in 6 yrs, or hanging onto the one guy that should be fired.

If there's one constant these last five seasons, it must confirm the incompetence with this coaching/management group.

...Q

FROM THE BAGGEDMILK WRAPUP PIECE...

Ekblad? Really? y'don't think this squad needs a CENTREMAN?...you're ready to wait 3to4 years before you see highly touted Dmen this club's drafted to come to be Big Club eligible?

'splain why not drafting getting trading for or stealing a CENTREMAN is not a good thing?

...and tell me if you still have my gmail addy...we need to communicate please!

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#145 hurryhard!
March 23 2014, 09:22AM
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At least Redford had the balls to step down unlike Lowe.

You nailed it Spyder! Its called integrity. Lowe should be ashamed of the work he's done running this once great franchise into the ground and he should be gone. He is not the only one to blame, but he is at the top of the food chain and needs to answer for the incompetence. Where is the accountability?

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#146 Drowning in Oil
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People on this site make me laugh! I get jumped on for throwing Mac T under the bus but think of this......

I think Dallas Eakins is an absolutely horrible coach but he is really only doing what he can.

I think the players on this team are brutal most night but what are they suppose to do, if they arent good enough, they aren't good enough.

It is incumbent on the General Manager of the team to fix any problems and Mac T will not admit failure when it comes to Dallas Eakins. Eakins is certainly not going to fire himself.

The players on this team do not gel but who's fault is that? The offense is very small and weak but whos fault is that? Not the players! Again, it is Mac T!!

I may get a lot of thumbs down for thinking this way but it really is the only logical way of thinking if you leave your emotions at the door.

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#147 TeddyTurnbuckle
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This loss was coming. The team only played 2 good games over their recent winning streak and rest was goaltending. We have 29 th wrapped up and you can argue the team hasn't improved at all this season.

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#149 Spydyr
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hurryhard! wrote:

You nailed it Spyder! Its called integrity. Lowe should be ashamed of the work he's done running this once great franchise into the ground and he should be gone. He is not the only one to blame, but he is at the top of the food chain and needs to answer for the incompetence. Where is the accountability?

How can an organization any organization hold the workers (players) accountable if no one from the owner on down is accountable?Accountability starts at the top.The Oilers have absolutely none.

It is hard to fathom anyone having a job after not meeting their objectives for eight straight years.In the real world (when your boss is not your buddy or your Uncle) you would have been shown the door years ago.

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#150 Rod from Viking
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Volume of activity is not a good metric to use. The question should be, are the moves good moves?

MacT had had some good moves, Perron being the best of them. Scrivens might be a good move but we need to reserve judgement until mid next season.

But when you look at the number of players he has acquired that have no business an NHL team - Fraser, Hamilton, Jones, Grebeshkov, Acton, Joensuu, Hunt, Gazdic, McIntyre - demonstrates lack of judgement and vision.

Adding the risk of a rookie head coach into this high risk situation was also poor judgement. Retaining the assistant coaches was poor judgement.

Offering Clarkson $6M per on a long term contract shows poor judgement.

Giving Ference a four year deal shows poor judgement.

And you want to give MacT more time? You have got to be kidding. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

I don't agree with Gazdic being a bad move, and you forgot the Gagner contract, besides that pretty accurate. Would have Clarkson been the same player here as Toronto without the home town pressure, we will never know. The players that know about being team players and know how the game is supposed to be played and give it their all every shift are Scrivins,Gordon, Hendricks and Ference , these have been good additions and make it very clear this team is lacking leadership. I think that your true leader has to be one of the best players on the team though not bottom 6 or 4-5 d men, examples,Toews,Crosby,Chara,Doughty,Weber,Backes etc. This team doesn't appear to have it.

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