GOALTENDING TRADES...

Jason Gregor
March 04 2014 12:19PM

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Craig MacTavish looks like he has made his decision for his goalies next season. A day after signing Ben Scrivens to a two-year deal, he traded Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota for a 4th round pick, and then he acquired Viktor Fasth from Anaheim for 5th round pick in 2014 and a 3rd round pick in 2015.

I see Scrivens as more of a starter than Fasth.

Fasth is 31 years old and he has played 30 NHL games over the past two seasons. He has a .915 SV% and a 2.32 GAA. Prior to last year he played in the Swedish elite league. He has been banged up this season.

He has one year remaining on his contract and he comes with a $2.9 million cap hit.

They will battle for the starting job, and it is obvious that MacTavish wants to have solid goaltending, especially because the D corps will still be young next season. The timing of the Fasth trade is a bit surprising to me, but clearly MacTavish didn't want to wait and miss out in free agency.

Thought on the trades?

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#1 Eulers
March 04 2014, 12:24PM
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MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

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#2 Oilbaron
March 04 2014, 12:24PM
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I dig it. Slightly younger than Bryz, cheaper and playing as good Dubnyk.

Won't solve the problem long term but is a nice stop gap

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#3 mithaman
March 04 2014, 12:25PM
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Fasth's cap hit is fairly high for a backup with 32 games under his belt.

Oilers needed someone to challenge Scrivens but I would have preferred for them to go after a more established goalie when free agency opens.

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#4 GK1980
March 04 2014, 12:26PM
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Scrivens and Fasth? At least it's not Dubnyk and Labarbarra.....I will hold my breath on these two, I'll tell you how this tandem does this December.

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#5 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 12:26PM
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Thoughts? Wasn't Shooter Tuitor available? I guess McDavid is the goal for 2015.

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#6 Mr common sense
March 04 2014, 12:27PM
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Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

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#7 bwar
March 04 2014, 12:28PM
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Fasth was expendable for Anahiem. I think there is a lot of risk involved here for Edmonton but Fasth/Scrivens could pay off huge for the Oilers.

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#8 Fatbob24
March 04 2014, 12:28PM
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Fasth is injured, no? Is the 3rd rounder for 2015 conditional?

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#9 rob
March 04 2014, 12:30PM
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although not super bold moves,I think it is a good tandom and a far cry better than the last 5 years.if scrivens develops into a true starter and fasth handles back up duties,I think the oilers finally addressed our tending problems!!!!good job Mact

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#10 Olt Timer
March 04 2014, 12:30PM
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Best of luck to Bryz.

I'm sure he's happy to go to a team with a good chance of making the playoffs.

From what I heard he was a good teammate and well liked in the dressing room.

I like both these moves that MacT has made today. Keep em coming.

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#11 v4ance
March 04 2014, 12:33PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

Cam Ward IS an average NHL goalie but has basked in the glow of one great season winning the cup for far too long.

The cost of acquiring Ward would have been a bad overpayment for his actual performance.

I'm much happier with 2 good options with elite upside constantly fighting for the #1 like St. Louis, Toronto and Anaheim's situations.

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#12 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 12:34PM
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Sportsnet.ca says Penner went to Washington for a 4th round pick. If true, that should tell you what Hemsky is worth.

Good job dumping Bryz for some return. I think MacLooselips paid a smidgen too much for Fasth, but no big deal.

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#13 Bobble21
March 04 2014, 12:34PM
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With the Continued lack of any sort of knowledge about goalies, we will continue to lack a healthy development of ANY goalies in our system. Please get rid of the goalie coach, and stop signing backups and burying them in the minors and taking up spots that we need our draft picks to fill. The way the Oilers treat goalies they shouldn't even Draft them. It's pathetic.

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#14 Tommy Ryan Salo-Smyth
March 04 2014, 12:35PM
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Oilers once again putting hopes of next season on 2 unproven goalies. Mac T is either going to look like a genius or we'll all have something else to complain about next December

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#15 still hoping
March 04 2014, 12:36PM
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More nothing moves shuffling the deck of a bunch of low level NHL outcasts.

Nothing bold or interesting. All boring.

Time for new management with new ideas to attract some quality players.

Six rings and bold moves are not smart enough to put together a playoff contender.

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#16 john B
March 04 2014, 12:38PM
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I like it! Scrivens/Fasth is about 5x more confidence building than Dubnyk/LaBarberra. Oilers have plenty of "2nd tier" assets to move out & get 2014 2nd-5th rnd picks back

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#17 clrsnldvc81
March 04 2014, 12:39PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

Ward would've wanted what we will be paying Scrivs and Fasth combined... Just because a player WANTS to come to Edmonton (seems very hypocritical of us not wanting someone who actually might want to come here) doesn't mean he is the right fit. Outside of that one year he had to F*&%ing beat our beloved Oil in the finals, he has been a marginal goalie at best... tack on injuries and age... he could be Knabby part duex for us

Excellent trades... getting some value for Bryz... i would've liked it to be a 3rd but beggers cant be choosers

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#18 Dan
March 04 2014, 12:40PM
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So we'll have 2 goalies next year with what, a year experience between both of them?

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#19 John Chambers
March 04 2014, 12:42PM
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still hoping wrote:

More nothing moves shuffling the deck of a bunch of low level NHL outcasts.

Nothing bold or interesting. All boring.

Time for new management with new ideas to attract some quality players.

Six rings and bold moves are not smart enough to put together a playoff contender.

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

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#21 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 12:43PM
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john B wrote:

I like it! Scrivens/Fasth is about 5x more confidence building than Dubnyk/LaBarberra. Oilers have plenty of "2nd tier" assets to move out & get 2014 2nd-5th rnd picks back

I have to concur. The team has upgraded the goaltending ranks with Scrivens/Fasth. Now to get some size up front!

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#22 John Chambers
March 04 2014, 12:43PM
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Dan wrote:

So we'll have 2 goalies next year with what, a year experience between both of them?

Would you rather surrendered more assets to acquire Jimmy Howard, Roberto Luongo, or Corey Crawford, and not have been able to afford an upgrade on D?

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#23 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Found this little nugget of knowledge on Fasth which I found kindof interesting :-)

Old Oilernation Fasth article

I'm fine with the deal 5 mill ish on 2 goalies is more than reasonable. Apparently there are some debates about cap space and it may be lower than many predicted so MacT has done well in not overpaying in the Free agent market for a goalie. With the questions surrounding the cap, there may be some more shuffling around which hopefully can land the Oil a defenceman or 2 or 4

Will Fasth be the 6th goalie to make a start for the Oil this year? That must be an NHL or franchise record at least ?

I'm still impressed with what MacT is doing, they all seem like smart and sometimes unexpected moves. It's a weird feeling actually.

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#24 Wonger
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Eulers wrote:

MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

Great work MACT/OIler management/scouts keep going.....!!!!!!!!

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#25 Wonger
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Eulers wrote:

MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

Great work MACT/OIler management/scouts keep going.....!!!!!!!!

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#26 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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@Jason Gregor

Yeah from Bob Stauffer there is rumor the Ducks want Vanek. That would be a pretty good line indeed with Getzlaf!

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#27 still hoping
March 04 2014, 12:49PM
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@John Chambers

And we have had six rings and bold moves running this team for 14 years with, what is it... The worst record in the NHL.....

Hmmm. There is a difference between doing something for 14 year and doing something right.

No leadership in current management and zero hockey smarts.

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#28 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 12:51PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Would you rather surrendered more assets to acquire Jimmy Howard, Roberto Luongo, or Corey Crawford, and not have been able to afford an upgrade on D?

What have you seen that makes you confident that mgmt can acquire an expensive D upgrade? Fasth is the Grebeshkov of goalies. There is a reason 30 year olds are playing in leagues other than the NHL.

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#29 Me
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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John Chambers wrote:

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

At least your douchey looking picture matches your condescending smarter than everyone else post.

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#30 Ed in Edmonton
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Sportsnet.ca says Penner went to Washington for a 4th round pick. If true, that should tell you what Hemsky is worth.

Good job dumping Bryz for some return. I think MacLooselips paid a smidgen too much for Fasth, but no big deal.

Penner - 13 goal, 19 assist, 32 points.

Hemsky - 7 goals, 17 assists, 24 points.

Even if you allow that Penner might get a few "gimme" points playing for a better team as compared to Hemsky, it's still hard to rationalize why Hemsky would fetch anything more than Penner

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#31 rob
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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anyone notice when Mact t said he was doing bold moves/change the team he did nothing,when he says hes not really going to do anything we might actually get something done?

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#32 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 12:57PM
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I kind of feel bad for Bachman.

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#33 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 12:57PM
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John Chambers wrote:

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

I wouldn't say having two goalies on your roster who have a combined 88 games nhl experience is good business. They might work out and they might not, clearly management believes in these two. I just wish I could still believe in this management

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#34 He Who Knows
March 04 2014, 12:58PM
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Tambo was one brutal GM.

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#35 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 12:58PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

I kind of feel bad for Bachman.

He's always got his music career to fall back on. He'll be okay.

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#36 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:01PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

Penner - 13 goal, 19 assist, 32 points.

Hemsky - 7 goals, 17 assists, 24 points.

Even if you allow that Penner might get a few "gimme" points playing for a better team as compared to Hemsky, it's still hard to rationalize why Hemsky would fetch anything more than Penner

Especially when you factor in their salaries:

Penner $2M

Hemsky $5M

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#37 Vinotintazo
March 04 2014, 01:03PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

Penner - 13 goal, 19 assist, 32 points.

Hemsky - 7 goals, 17 assists, 24 points.

Even if you allow that Penner might get a few "gimme" points playing for a better team as compared to Hemsky, it's still hard to rationalize why Hemsky would fetch anything more than Penner

Anaheim wanted to make room for Robidas and probably someone else for their top line, that why they sold low.

I think Hemsky is worth 2-4rth rounder at this point. we'll see.

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#38 Vinotintazo
March 04 2014, 01:04PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Especially when you factor in their salaries:

Penner $2M

Hemsky $5M

if the oilers want a better pick back, they would need to retain some salary I would assume.

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#39 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 04 2014, 01:04PM
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I like this. One year left on Fasth's contract, if he lays an egg next year they can walk away. If MacT keeps making sensible deals, I might have to stop calling him Bold Moves.

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#40 Soccer Steve
March 04 2014, 01:05PM
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Goalies are a funny bunch.

Fasth could as easily end up playing for/backing-up Team Sweden in the next couple years as he could end up a zamboni driver in Stockholm. It is a decent gamble to trade for him.

I honestly feel like Bryz was brought in solely to showcase his game and get something for him. That's precisely what happened.

Good trades. The best part is, with the coming UFAs, if these two crash and burn too, there will be many others to take their spots.

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#41 Al Low
March 04 2014, 01:05PM
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I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with Scrivens-Fasth than any combination of Dubnyk-LaBarbera-Bryz going into next year. Let's hope MacT can make some moves and bring in some actual NHL dmen in the offseason. I expect the UFAs to be unloaded to recoup draft picks tomorrow. I'd love to see a big move but I think we'll have to wait for the draft for that.

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#42 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 01:08PM
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rob wrote:

anyone notice when Mact t said he was doing bold moves/change the team he did nothing,when he says hes not really going to do anything we might actually get something done?

I think that is Misdirection 101, one of the courses offered through the Queens mail order MBA program. If only I had gone the mail order route instead of closing down RATT and Dinwoodie every night, I might have become a professional with distinguished gray hair instead of balding, bitter Mcjob me. Go oil.

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#43 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Tambo was one brutal GM.

Seriously who trashed this. Is that you Tambo? Get outta here, you're not welcome. Thanks for the memor...........headaches, nightmares and general feelings of dread.

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#44 rob
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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got a feeling old BOLD MOVES is gonna pull a rabbit outta his arse!

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#45 YEGFan
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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This is very similar to Tampa Bay's strategy from last year. It worked out pretty well for them.

The Bishop and Scrivens contracts are identical. Now they also have the high upside but unproven Swedish goaltender to push for the starting spot.

The cost for Ben Bishop and Anders Lindback was much higher (in traded assets, not contract). It's a bit of a risk, but it's hard to fault this strategy.

Cam Ward at 6.3M or a FA goalie at 5M+ would have been just as risky.

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#46 mesa
March 04 2014, 01:11PM
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I STILL LIKE WHAT MAC T DID AND DOING FOR THE SHORT TIME HE HAD BEEN A GM.IF WHAT HAPPEN IN OTTAWA(BISHOP-CONACHER DEAL) HAD HAPPENED HERE ,MAC T WILL BE CRUCIFIED.

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#47 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:16PM
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mesa wrote:

I STILL LIKE WHAT MAC T DID AND DOING FOR THE SHORT TIME HE HAD BEEN A GM.IF WHAT HAPPEN IN OTTAWA(BISHOP-CONACHER DEAL) HAD HAPPENED HERE ,MAC T WILL BE CRUCIFIED.

~WHAT??????~

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#48 Yep
March 04 2014, 01:17PM
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Everyone here who thinks this is a great trade needs to remember EXACTLY what they are saying come next season. This is the same exact rederick that was being spouted about Dubnyk/Labarbarra last summer. "We got these guys cheap and if they play better than everyone expects we will be alright." Do you people seriously not understand what is wrong with that line of thinking? Christ, sometimes I think Oilers fans are getting exactly what they deserve.

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#49 **
March 04 2014, 01:18PM
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Mac Tavish is shifting the focus and starting to rebuild form the back end out. I like it. I still think his biggest mistake was to hire a rookie coach with little experience coaching at other levels.

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#50 pkam
March 04 2014, 01:19PM
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I don't quite understand these 2 trades.

Is Fasth better than Bryz? Fasth's career stats is slightly better than Bryz but he only plays 30 NHL games so it is a very small sample. And his stats this year is pretty bad, .885 SV% and 2.95 GA.

I would rather try to re-sign Bryz to 3M for 1 or 2 years, and only make these 2 trades if Bryz refused to re-sign here. It gives us at least one proven goalie for about the same salary for next year or 2, not to mention we have to give up a 3rd and 5th for Fasth and only get a 4th for Bryz.

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