GOALTENDING TRADES...

Jason Gregor
March 04 2014 12:19PM

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Craig MacTavish looks like he has made his decision for his goalies next season. A day after signing Ben Scrivens to a two-year deal, he traded Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota for a 4th round pick, and then he acquired Viktor Fasth from Anaheim for 5th round pick in 2014 and a 3rd round pick in 2015.

I see Scrivens as more of a starter than Fasth.

Fasth is 31 years old and he has played 30 NHL games over the past two seasons. He has a .915 SV% and a 2.32 GAA. Prior to last year he played in the Swedish elite league. He has been banged up this season.

He has one year remaining on his contract and he comes with a $2.9 million cap hit.

They will battle for the starting job, and it is obvious that MacTavish wants to have solid goaltending, especially because the D corps will still be young next season. The timing of the Fasth trade is a bit surprising to me, but clearly MacTavish didn't want to wait and miss out in free agency.

Thought on the trades?

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#51 mesa
March 04 2014, 01:19PM
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BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

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#52 **
March 04 2014, 01:21PM
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Yep wrote:

Everyone here who thinks this is a great trade needs to remember EXACTLY what they are saying come next season. This is the same exact rederick that was being spouted about Dubnyk/Labarbarra last summer. "We got these guys cheap and if they play better than everyone expects we will be alright." Do you people seriously not understand what is wrong with that line of thinking? Christ, sometimes I think Oilers fans are getting exactly what they deserve.

I don't remember La Barbera nor Dubnyk ever leading the NHL in sv% or posting an NHL record.

Victor Fasth is an informed gamble. In the end it won't matter who is in goal unless the top 3 d men positions are improved.

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#53 **
March 04 2014, 01:22PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Shannon Zsabados. I don't know, but it would be cool if it were her.

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#54 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:23PM
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Vinotintazo wrote:

Anaheim wanted to make room for Robidas and probably someone else for their top line, that why they sold low.

I think Hemsky is worth 2-4rth rounder at this point. we'll see.

They got the maximum the market was willing to pay. If there was a better deal to be made, they would have made it.

I agree with your estimation of Hemsky's worth. I think MacLooselips would be thrilled to get a second, but more likely will get a 3rd or 4. Maybe the price will go up tomorrow as scorers start to disappear off the market.

Penner has twice as many goals for less than half the salary of Hemsky. Not to mention he's much bigger which is important at playoff time. Can't see Hemsky being worth more.

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#55 Spellchecker
March 04 2014, 01:25PM
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I wanna know, who is this Rederick guy Yep was writing about?

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#56 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 01:25PM
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@Fresh Mess

I actually think he is in a pretty decent spot for a guy with limited NHL experience, assuming he resigns with the Oil, he will be a solid 3rd goalie and the chances of him getting NHL time is good, albeit limited.

He will be competing with Tuohimaa and Brossoit for the 3rd spot and it's his to lose. Both Tuohimaa and Brossoit are quite young so I can't see them doing anything except bouncing between Bakersfield and OKC so he is gonna be fine.

I can't believe I'm saying this but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk, I can't think of any goalie in recent history who has had as awful of a season as he has had. He had the starting job with the Oil locked up and he pooped the bed, escaped and had the opportunity for a fresh start in Nashville and now he is going to be toiling in Milwaukee until his contract expires. He seems like a pretty nice guy too who just didn't seem to cut it at the NHL level. I kindof hope he finds an NHL job somewhere. Or maybe if he brings the right safety equipment he can get a job at the refineries :-)

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#57 Will
March 04 2014, 01:27PM
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Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

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#58 **
March 04 2014, 01:29PM
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pkam wrote:

I don't quite understand these 2 trades.

Is Fasth better than Bryz? Fasth's career stats is slightly better than Bryz but he only plays 30 NHL games so it is a very small sample. And his stats this year is pretty bad, .885 SV% and 2.95 GA.

I would rather try to re-sign Bryz to 3M for 1 or 2 years, and only make these 2 trades if Bryz refused to re-sign here. It gives us at least one proven goalie for about the same salary for next year or 2, not to mention we have to give up a 3rd and 5th for Fasth and only get a 4th for Bryz.

It's only one year on his contract. If he doesn't work out he can be traded. BRyz was probably not going to re-sign here, I think that is why Mac. T. pulled the trigger.

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#59 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 01:31PM
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mesa wrote:

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Is Floyd Whitney still one of the Oil's practise goalies? He has to be pushing mid 50s but I'm sure he can strap on the pads for a bit of a skate around :-)

Maybe if Fasth can't make it in on time they can give some Uni or college goalie a chance to fulfill a dream of dressing for an NHL game.

Seems more common now as I think I've seen it happen like 3 times this season.

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#60 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:32PM
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mesa wrote:

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You may be doing this ironically, I don't know, but hit the caps lock button. You're yelling at all of us and we don't know why.

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#61 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:34PM
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@Johnnydapunk

I agree with you. The one thing Dubynk has over Bachman in this situation is money. Dubnyk has made his millions, and that should help keep him warm at night. It's funny how five million bucks in the bank increases your outlook on things.

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#62 Bob Cobb
March 04 2014, 01:36PM
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@Spellchecker

~Do you mean Pokey Reddick? That must be it, I mean he is a goalie.~ If they brought him in than you would hear a lot of RHETORIC from management.

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#63 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:37PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

They got the maximum the market was willing to pay. If there was a better deal to be made, they would have made it.

I agree with your estimation of Hemsky's worth. I think MacLooselips would be thrilled to get a second, but more likely will get a 3rd or 4. Maybe the price will go up tomorrow as scorers start to disappear off the market.

Penner has twice as many goals for less than half the salary of Hemsky. Not to mention he's much bigger which is important at playoff time. Can't see Hemsky being worth more.

Hemsky was pretty good for the Oil in their 2006 playoffs. Part of the problem for him is that injuries caught up to him after taking so many licks over the years, so he's backed off a bit to stay healthy. But don't you think that if Hemsky is on a team making a serious run, and maybe thinking ahead to his next contract, that he might put it back out there again? Hemsky would be a good gamble for the right team.

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#64 Dan
March 04 2014, 01:37PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Would you rather surrendered more assets to acquire Jimmy Howard, Roberto Luongo, or Corey Crawford, and not have been able to afford an upgrade on D?

Pardon my cynicism. History and common sense leaves me skeptical

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#65 **
March 04 2014, 01:39PM
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Will wrote:

Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

St. Louis traded for Ryan Miller who makes over 4.5 million. Corey crawford sign a monster extensions paying him 6 million average a year until 2020. Jimmy Howard is making over 5 million for the next 6 years or so. BRyzgalov's average cap hit with the philly contract was 5,666,667. Jonathan Quick signed an extension giving 5,800,000 until 2023. I fail to see where the cheap tandems are with these teams. The Oilers now have 2 goalies that while not fully proven, have demonstrated capacity, and together make around the same as the starter on those teams you mentioned. The lesson from those teams is once you find a bona fide starter you keep him until the end of time. The back up is not going to play that much, so he can be changed often or be moulded from good prospects. That's the winning recipe, not being cheap with a dubnyk la barbera duo. I agree that it doesn't matter who is goalie if the d is not upgraded.

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#66 pkam
March 04 2014, 01:40PM
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** wrote:

It's only one year on his contract. If he doesn't work out he can be traded. BRyz was probably not going to re-sign here, I think that is why Mac. T. pulled the trigger.

I said these trade make sense to me only if Bryz refused to re-sign for 3M.

I never watch Fasth play so all I can do is look at his stats in NHL.com and it is not impressive.

Perhaps MacT did try to re-sign Bryz and failed. Perhaps MacT and our pro scouts see something that convince them Fasth is better than Bryz. But we'll never know what happens behind the door.

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#67 vetinari
March 04 2014, 01:40PM
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Good trade. Goaltending went from a big question mark on January 1st to pretty much settled on March 4th... no goalie UFAs to worry about in the offseason and both are under contract for a combined $5.2M/year for 2014-15. Lots of cap room to go after a couple of defencemen in the offseason. Go get them, MacT!

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#68 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:41PM
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The writing was on the wall once Scrivens signed. The Oil were looking for a 1A, 1B platoon situation. Fasth fits the bill.

We had a lot of uncertainty in the crease going into this year and look what happened. The confidence of this team crashed right through the floor.

Scrivens/Fasth, obviously still some questions there, but I feel better about my goaltending than I did yesterday.

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#69 Ed in Edmonton
March 04 2014, 01:41PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Hemsky was pretty good for the Oil in their 2006 playoffs. Part of the problem for him is that injuries caught up to him after taking so many licks over the years, so he's backed off a bit to stay healthy. But don't you think that if Hemsky is on a team making a serious run, and maybe thinking ahead to his next contract, that he might put it back out there again? Hemsky would be a good gamble for the right team.

You seem to be saying you need to go back 8 years to find a good performance by Hemsky??? Let's hope some other teams have a higher regard than that or the Oil may be left holding the bag.

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#70 RexHolez
March 04 2014, 01:41PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Hemsky was pretty good for the Oil in their 2006 playoffs. Part of the problem for him is that injuries caught up to him after taking so many licks over the years, so he's backed off a bit to stay healthy. But don't you think that if Hemsky is on a team making a serious run, and maybe thinking ahead to his next contract, that he might put it back out there again? Hemsky would be a good gamble for the right team.

If all you give up for hemsky is a 2nd rounder, if be all over it if my team was going to the post season

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#71 pkam
March 04 2014, 01:51PM
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Who will be our backup tonight? Will it be Fasth or Bachman?

Are we done with trading for today? Wonder what our roster will look like tonight?

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#72 jonrmcleod
March 04 2014, 01:52PM
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If you can get a decent NHL goalie tandem for two 3rd round draft picks and a 5th, that’s not bad.

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#73 vetinari
March 04 2014, 01:57PM
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jonrmcleod wrote:

If you can get a decent NHL goalie tandem for two 3rd round draft picks and a 5th, that’s not bad.

I agree... it may be that Tambellini set such a low bar for comparison, but this is the best that I've felt about our goaltending in about 6-7 years and it only cost a few mid round picks. And if everything does go to heck, none of the goalies are locked in beyond two years. Plenty of time to assess what they can do.

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#74 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:59PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

You seem to be saying you need to go back 8 years to find a good performance by Hemsky??? Let's hope some other teams have a higher regard than that or the Oil may be left holding the bag.

Nah, my point was more along the lines of refuting that you need to be a linebacker to be effective in the playoffs.

Phil Kessel is not my favourite player. He actively tries to avoid taking hits and getting hit by the puck. But he has some good playoff stats and had a good series against Boston, despite playing most of his minutes against his nemesis, Chara.

I can complain all I want about Kessel, but you can't take away that productivity.

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#75 Max
March 04 2014, 01:59PM
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I agree with Johnnydapunk - I do feel for Duby. Something must have happened in his personal life to have such a drastic implosion on his 'tending. I wish him, his wife and baby son all the best and hope he can get his game back again. Good luck kid you deserve it.

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#76 Justin
March 04 2014, 02:00PM
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@Fresh Mess

Two players in very different situations. Not saying Penner is a bad player, and he's a great guy (ive met him). But he is nowhere near the talent Hemsky has. I would love to see what Hemsky could do beside Getzlaf and Perry.

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#77 Quicksilver ballet
March 04 2014, 02:05PM
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Disappointed they didn't get Andersson, but I'm sure it wasn't from trying. Maybe if they still had their 2nd or 3rd rounder it may have been enough to get Frederik Andersson.

In Scrivens we trust.

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#78 Jofa
March 04 2014, 02:08PM
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I like it. Two goalies who are at least solid, and at best, could be a top-end starter(s) with this opportunity to claim the spotlight. Considering both have run up against goalie logjams in their NHL careers to date, and MacT has completely cleared the way for these two, we could have a couple hungry goalies in the prime yrs of their careers.

I like that they are also coming from successful teams with great goaltending. Hopefully they can bring some of that culture and experience to the Oil, and start bringing some confidence back to the guys up front.

With the new blood in net and the previous goalie mentors and projects moved along, I'm hoping MacT sees this also as an opportunity to start fresh with a new goalie coach. The current group hasn't got much (anything?) to show for its efforts in recent yrs, so I can't think if any reasons why he wouldn't want to support the Fasth / Scrivens combo with a proven goalie coach, maybe even one with experience working with one of these guys, to give them the best chance to succeed on this crazy team, where facing 59 shots in a game is a real possibility!

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#79 MattL
March 04 2014, 02:09PM
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So if Fasth starts a game this season, that'll be the 6th different starter this year. Gotta be some kind of record, right?

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#80 Spoils
March 04 2014, 02:11PM
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nice goalie moves MacT!

I wonder what's next - #2C, size?, better D?, some picks for 2014?

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#81 bazmagoo
March 04 2014, 02:13PM
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Another solid move by MacT, keep them coming there no helmet head. He continues to impress me with his willingness to pull the trigger. Now if only he'd pull the trigger on Eakins!

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#82 Oilerfan
March 04 2014, 02:14PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Is Floyd Whitney still one of the Oil's practise goalies? He has to be pushing mid 50s but I'm sure he can strap on the pads for a bit of a skate around :-)

Maybe if Fasth can't make it in on time they can give some Uni or college goalie a chance to fulfill a dream of dressing for an NHL game.

Seems more common now as I think I've seen it happen like 3 times this season.

Mid-50s! RAY Whitney is already 41.

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#83 mesa
March 04 2014, 02:15PM
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Mason Storm wrote:

You may be doing this ironically, I don't know, but hit the caps lock button. You're yelling at all of us and we don't know why.

sorry man it was a serious question .but the steven seagel picture kind of blurred my vision .

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#84 Will
March 04 2014, 02:17PM
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** wrote:

St. Louis traded for Ryan Miller who makes over 4.5 million. Corey crawford sign a monster extensions paying him 6 million average a year until 2020. Jimmy Howard is making over 5 million for the next 6 years or so. BRyzgalov's average cap hit with the philly contract was 5,666,667. Jonathan Quick signed an extension giving 5,800,000 until 2023. I fail to see where the cheap tandems are with these teams. The Oilers now have 2 goalies that while not fully proven, have demonstrated capacity, and together make around the same as the starter on those teams you mentioned. The lesson from those teams is once you find a bona fide starter you keep him until the end of time. The back up is not going to play that much, so he can be changed often or be moulded from good prospects. That's the winning recipe, not being cheap with a dubnyk la barbera duo. I agree that it doesn't matter who is goalie if the d is not upgraded.

All fair points, but Crawford and Howard were not making that cash when the teams were winning and contending for cups initially / recently. I'm just saying that it's better to have a cheap 1A 1B then an expensive disaster.

Obviously ideally you want the star goalie who is gonna take the team there through the post season and go on a hot run, but those guys do not grow on trees. They are often had for cheap from other teams or lower divisions, then they come and prove themselves as legitimate. Hopefully, in one of these two, the Oilers have found that guy. But for now, I'm just glad they're not paying for it, so they can put the money elsewhere.

A lot has been made lately of selling everything to acquire these high profile proven guys. But the Oilers do not need Quick and Weber. They need the next Quick and Weber. Finding that is the sole job of the GM and our scouting team.

Which is another reason I have been impressed with Mac T so far. He's given up very little to get back better pieces. And the pieces that did not work out, are not long term. Eventually he will have to take a risk, but so far, very smart management.

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#85 VK63
March 04 2014, 02:18PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

we are in the process of sobering up Calvin from our mens league team. He won't stop a freaking thing but will be MONEY at the bar post game. a complete legend in fact!

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#86 lmao
March 04 2014, 02:24PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Brian Burke.

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#87 lmao
March 04 2014, 02:24PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Brian Burke.

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#88 Ralph
March 04 2014, 02:26PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Georges Laraque?

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#89 DSF
March 04 2014, 02:27PM
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mesa wrote:

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Spydyr.

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#90 Pavel
March 04 2014, 02:31PM
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Now if only they trade Yakupov for Sean Couturier.

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#91 Alsker
March 04 2014, 02:32PM
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** wrote:

Shannon Zsabados. I don't know, but it would be cool if it were her.

Sweeet!!!Wait a minute, "backup", f*ck that, give her the start!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how many guys do the old flyby with her in net. We would be a lot tougher in our own end(fear of having her kick your ass!!!!).

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#92 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 04 2014, 02:38PM
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Will wrote:

Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

Good comment until i read: "...Legwand and we have a whole new team next year."

Why do people think Legwand will be of any use here in Edmonton? He is terrible, and has the worst +/- on a DEFENCE FIRST TEAM in Nashville.

I'd almost rather keep Gagner, and i HATE Gagner (The player, not the person)

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#93 Jackson
March 04 2014, 02:47PM
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Lou traded to florida

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#94 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 02:48PM
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mesa wrote:

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Back up? We don't need no stinkin backup!!

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#95 Danger Pay
March 04 2014, 02:49PM
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Tonight will be the last time I watch Hemsky go offside for the Oilers.

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#96 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 02:50PM
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Jackson wrote:

Lou traded to florida

For who? Tsn just says traded but no details??

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#97 RinkRat Brownn
March 04 2014, 02:51PM
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Did some gorf really try to spell RHETORIC as REDORICK? Pay no attention to this person till they go back and get their grade 10.

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#98 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 04 2014, 02:51PM
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For who? Tsn just says traded but no details??

jacob Markstrom and others...

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#99 pkam
March 04 2014, 02:53PM
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Jackson wrote:

Lou traded to florida

Now he can pump Thomas tire everyday.

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#100 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 02:54PM
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I like the Fasth addition especially at that price. The best thing is MacT still has all of his personnel assets to focus on the defense during the summer. He also does not have to focus on a finding a 1B goalie n the off season.

Glad he didn't get a big name goalie, this team is not ready for that and it would be a waste of years on that contract until we were. Once this team makes the playoffs, then if a better goalie is required, that's when you get one.

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