GOALTENDING TRADES...

Jason Gregor
March 04 2014 12:19PM

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Craig MacTavish looks like he has made his decision for his goalies next season. A day after signing Ben Scrivens to a two-year deal, he traded Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota for a 4th round pick, and then he acquired Viktor Fasth from Anaheim for 5th round pick in 2014 and a 3rd round pick in 2015.

I see Scrivens as more of a starter than Fasth.

Fasth is 31 years old and he has played 30 NHL games over the past two seasons. He has a .915 SV% and a 2.32 GAA. Prior to last year he played in the Swedish elite league. He has been banged up this season.

He has one year remaining on his contract and he comes with a $2.9 million cap hit.

They will battle for the starting job, and it is obvious that MacTavish wants to have solid goaltending, especially because the D corps will still be young next season. The timing of the Fasth trade is a bit surprising to me, but clearly MacTavish didn't want to wait and miss out in free agency.

Thought on the trades?

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#101 Alsker
March 04 2014, 02:57PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Tonight will be the last time I watch Hemsky go offside for the Oilers.

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

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#102 bazmagoo
March 04 2014, 02:59PM
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Alsker wrote:

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

Agreed, may as well sit him as that's the smart thing to do. So it's likely he will dress.

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#103 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

jacob Markstrom and others...

Better be a lot better others.

Gillis looking like a fool, trading Schneider and committing to Luongo and then trading Luongo less than a year later?

Happy for Luongo though, he had to put up with nothing but crap from the Canucks for the last couple years.

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#104 Randaman
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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Jackson wrote:

Lou traded to florida

Good for Lou. He really got screwed over by Gillis last year and Torts this year. Suck it Canucks. Lack of solid starters now!! See what I did there? LOL

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#105 Will
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

Good comment until i read: "...Legwand and we have a whole new team next year."

Why do people think Legwand will be of any use here in Edmonton? He is terrible, and has the worst +/- on a DEFENCE FIRST TEAM in Nashville.

I'd almost rather keep Gagner, and i HATE Gagner (The player, not the person)

Couple of things:

First, the guy is only minus 7, does not have the best linemates, and plays 1st line centre against the NHL's most difficult competition.

Second, defence first team means low scoring. Legwand does not have the chance to rack up a ton of goals because the system he plays on demands 2 way responsibility. So, yes, 7 more goals have been scored on the ice then have gone the other way, but again given he doesn't play with the most skilled guys ever, I can't imagine there's a ton of opportunity in Nashville for the puck to got he other way.

Third, I don't think he should be our top line center, rather an upgrade on the second line which he would be for the following reasons: - He's defensively responsible.

- He's a bit bigger than Gagner

- Is a veteran leader that can help develop the young kids

- Has the most points on a defence first team

- Is known for his two way play

- wins half his face-offs.

Finally, I would rather have Stasny. But given the market and complete lack of highly sought after centermen like Legwand and Stasny, beggers can't be choosers. The only thing it will take to get these guys is money, something I have no investment in, and something the Oilers have a lot of and a lot of room for. If you have a better suggestion for second line center that is actually attainable, by all means...

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#106 RexHolez
March 04 2014, 03:01PM
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RexHolez wrote:

If all you give up for hemsky is a 2nd rounder, if be all over it if my team was going to the post season

To so everyone knows, comment #70 is an imposter RexHolez. I am the original and this imposter is destroying my good name. That is all

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#107 John Kirsch
March 04 2014, 03:01PM
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Will wrote:

Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

Let's not blame everything on the D, the forward unit(s)as a whole don't come back to support the D. We constantly loose O Zone puck battles that create scoring opportunities, there is little to no puck support (and it is not just Yak)...I watch that play out night after night.

In terms of FA's wanting to come here to get some Northern Exposure; I assume most players want to avoid this dysfunctional mess at all costs, we are a place of last resort, a paycheck. In fact we probably rank lower than the train wreck on Long Island in terms of a desirable destination. Opps I forgot about Buffalo...

We need new leadership (AKA ownership) but alas like the Islanders we are stuck with ownership and management who think they are smarter than everyone else. And fools like me care.

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#108 Jerry
March 04 2014, 03:01PM
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Oiler fans get excited over trades made so far. Don't forget Oilers ruin players. That smile will turn into anger next year.

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#109 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:03PM
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Alsker wrote:

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

If you don't play Hemsky it shows he is fragile, a label he has carried for a few years, not the message you want to send. Only way he doesn't play is if a deal is basically already done.

A strong game tonight and he may be leaving on the Ottawa charter out of town.

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#110 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:03PM
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Randaman wrote:

Good for Lou. He really got screwed over by Gillis last year and Torts this year. Suck it Canucks. Lack of solid starters now!! See what I did there? LOL

Best thing about this deal is under new CBA vancity is on the hook should Lou decide to retire early or get bought out,lmfao. But yes good for Lou, back to the world of no state income tax!!!!

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#111 Will
March 04 2014, 03:11PM
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John Kirsch wrote:

Let's not blame everything on the D, the forward unit(s)as a whole don't come back to support the D. We constantly loose O Zone puck battles that create scoring opportunities, there is little to no puck support (and it is not just Yak)...I watch that play out night after night.

In terms of FA's wanting to come here to get some Northern Exposure; I assume most players want to avoid this dysfunctional mess at all costs, we are a place of last resort, a paycheck. In fact we probably rank lower than the train wreck on Long Island in terms of a desirable destination. Opps I forgot about Buffalo...

We need new leadership (AKA ownership) but alas like the Islanders we are stuck with ownership and management who think they are smarter than everyone else. And fools like me care.

Great point. I think my hope is that a center like Legwand on the second line would help the two way play of the top six.

As I see it now, our third line is very 2 way responsible. If Lander can find success on the fourth line, that will help the two way play a lot. Nuge is getting better all the time and seems committed to a 200 foot game. And Legwand comes from Nashville. Stasny I would say is a bit more offensive minded but wins more faceoffs so maybe he doesn't need to be so defensive.

I am also tired of the lack of try. Other than Gordon, Hendricks, Gazdic, Hemsky (how did that happen?) and Perron, it's hard to find the fire on this team.

Quick sidebar, I wish this team had ten Perrons

I think Mac T is turning the culture around. He just doesn't seem to whitewash the poor play of his team, and he understands and publicly acknowledges the areas of weakness. From what I've seen he has been trying like hell to fix those areas of weakness.

I do not believe the free agent thing that players do not want to come here. J. Schultz is a prime example. Once this team starts winning, everything will turn around.

Finally, I am baffled as to why players want out of the Islanders. Live in New York, less pressure than the Rangers, play with one of the best rising stars in the NHL. It makes no sense.

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#112 Will
March 04 2014, 03:13PM
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Jerry wrote:

Oiler fans get excited over trades made so far. Don't forget Oilers ruin players. That smile will turn into anger next year.

Definately some examples of players regressing here. Eric Cole comes to mind. However, Penner had some of his most productive years here, even though they were rocky. And look at Gordon and Perron this year. Playing on a terrible team, both having career years.

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#113 Will
March 04 2014, 03:18PM
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huh, I have to believe Vancouver could have done better last year for Luongo.

I would say they dumped a ton of salary but I feel like under the new CBA they retained a large portion of Lou's cap hit. It really seems like Van is not pushing for the a spot this year and is going to be sellers.

Sad day for the once proud Northwest division.

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#114 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:21PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Better be a lot better others.

Gillis looking like a fool, trading Schneider and committing to Luongo and then trading Luongo less than a year later?

Happy for Luongo though, he had to put up with nothing but crap from the Canucks for the last couple years.

The other is Shawn Mattais, a big 3rd liner.

Vancouver went from a team with easily the best goalie tandem in the league last year to a 3rd line plugger, a goalie with less than .900 sv% in his NHL career and Bo Horvat???

I all but guarantee you Florida would have made that trade last year and they would at least still have Schneider.

Gillis is making Tambo look like a genius!

And people wonder why everyone else laughs at the Canucks.

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#115 Towersofdub
March 04 2014, 03:23PM
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** wrote:

I don't remember La Barbera nor Dubnyk ever leading the NHL in sv% or posting an NHL record.

Victor Fasth is an informed gamble. In the end it won't matter who is in goal unless the top 3 d men positions are improved.

dammit..i mis-directed my insult. whatever. it's edited now. the earth can rotate again.

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#116 Towersofdub
March 04 2014, 03:25PM
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@Yep

"rederick" ?? If you're going to use grown up words, at least learn how to spell them.

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#117 ?
March 04 2014, 03:27PM
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v4ance wrote:

Cam Ward IS an average NHL goalie but has basked in the glow of one great season winning the cup for far too long.

The cost of acquiring Ward would have been a bad overpayment for his actual performance.

I'm much happier with 2 good options with elite upside constantly fighting for the #1 like St. Louis, Toronto and Anaheim's situations.

Elite upside? Don't flatter Scrivens and Fasth.

You forget, this is EDM, where careers go to die

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#118 pkam
March 04 2014, 03:30PM
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Will wrote:

huh, I have to believe Vancouver could have done better last year for Luongo.

I would say they dumped a ton of salary but I feel like under the new CBA they retained a large portion of Lou's cap hit. It really seems like Van is not pushing for the a spot this year and is going to be sellers.

Sad day for the once proud Northwest division.

Mike Gillis won't be the Canucks GM when Luongo retires. It is the problem of the GM then, so why should Gillis care whether or when Lou will retire?

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#119 Will
March 04 2014, 03:34PM
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pkam wrote:

Mike Gillis won't be the Canucks GM when Luongo retires. It is the problem of the GM then, so why should Gillis care whether or when Lou will retire?

Not sure I understand what you're saying. But it sounds like you're saying Gillis can be a crappy manager because ultimately he won't be around for very long?

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#120 The Real Scuba Steve
March 04 2014, 03:39PM
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Wonder if they have a chance with Jonas Hiller?

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#121 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:43PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

The other is Shawn Mattais, a big 3rd liner.

Vancouver went from a team with easily the best goalie tandem in the league last year to a 3rd line plugger, a goalie with less than .900 sv% in his NHL career and Bo Horvat???

I all but guarantee you Florida would have made that trade last year and they would at least still have Schneider.

Gillis is making Tambo look like a genius!

And people wonder why everyone else laughs at the Canucks.

Just posted on VancityN in hopes they never fire Gillis, he honestly may be the best thing to have happened to NHL hockey in Alberta in decades!

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#122 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 04 2014, 03:44PM
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wow. just, wow.

so, instead of picking the young goalie with great upside and pedigree in Schneider, you give him away for Bo Horvat.

then, 8 months later, you trade one of the best regular season goaltenders for a backup goaltender and a third line player?

Luongo must have asked for a trade when he was told he woulndt play at the Heritage Classic, and i dont blame him one bit. Hes been SH1T on from that organization since day one. And with his lovely NMC, he got to pick where he went, which was obvious. To a hockey market that is non-existent. And that is why the terrible return.

Great job Vancouver. You just went from easily the best goalie tandem in hockey to one of the worst in 8 months. Well done.

Eddie Lack is NOT the answer. Neither is Markstrom (not yet, at least).

I would honestly take Scrivens/Fasth over Markstrom/Lack currently.

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#123 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 04 2014, 03:44PM
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Spellchecker wrote:

I wanna know, who is this Rederick guy Yep was writing about?

Eldon Pokey Rederick.

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#124 BobbyCanuck
March 04 2014, 03:46PM
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Mason Storm wrote:

He's always got his music career to fall back on. He'll be okay.

Bachman will be takin care of business, and as far as this trade goes, he's just gonna let it ride

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#125 John Chambers
March 04 2014, 03:48PM
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Dan wrote:

Pardon my cynicism. History and common sense leaves me skeptical

It seems there are some who are less optimistic than I am, although I'm not sure what Oilers leadership have done exactly to diminish your faith.

Can we at least not all agree that this is better than having traded for Luongo?

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#126 Clyde Frog
March 04 2014, 03:48PM
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Let's not forget that Matthias is a pending UFA....

So the Canucks picked up a prospect and a suspect and a 3rd line rental with 14 points for their two starting goalies...

Lololololololol

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#127 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:50PM
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Ok, trade talk is nice, but where the hel[ is todays GDB?

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#128 Ross AlZuboora
March 04 2014, 03:50PM
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Starting to wonder if Dave Jamieson is gay. People want to be gay, be gay. I'm sick of this clown beating me over the head daily with LGBT talk. Jason Collins is a garbage basketball player and Michael Sam is lucky if he gets picked better the 5th round.

Stick to Sports, its really getting redundant and annoying. I don't care who's gay. Get off this topic,unless you want to come out. It would explain a lot.

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#129 John Kirsch
March 04 2014, 03:52PM
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Will wrote:

Great point. I think my hope is that a center like Legwand on the second line would help the two way play of the top six.

As I see it now, our third line is very 2 way responsible. If Lander can find success on the fourth line, that will help the two way play a lot. Nuge is getting better all the time and seems committed to a 200 foot game. And Legwand comes from Nashville. Stasny I would say is a bit more offensive minded but wins more faceoffs so maybe he doesn't need to be so defensive.

I am also tired of the lack of try. Other than Gordon, Hendricks, Gazdic, Hemsky (how did that happen?) and Perron, it's hard to find the fire on this team.

Quick sidebar, I wish this team had ten Perrons

I think Mac T is turning the culture around. He just doesn't seem to whitewash the poor play of his team, and he understands and publicly acknowledges the areas of weakness. From what I've seen he has been trying like hell to fix those areas of weakness.

I do not believe the free agent thing that players do not want to come here. J. Schultz is a prime example. Once this team starts winning, everything will turn around.

Finally, I am baffled as to why players want out of the Islanders. Live in New York, less pressure than the Rangers, play with one of the best rising stars in the NHL. It makes no sense.

Understood.

The Oil can turn it around with the right plan and brain-trust. I don't have a PhD. in Hockey, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where the gaps are and at the very least put together a competitive team. Playoffs maybe.

Winning and a winning attitude along with the almighty dollar will indeed bring players here, but that attitude needs to come from the top down (hell the leadership on the team as well)- right now that attitude is not here.

The Oil are a unique animal in North American sports. The fact that they have had so many years of finishing last (or close to...) is puzzling. And having had high draft picks year in and year out yet these draft picks have had little effect on the stat that matters- WINS.

Oiler fans are burdened by the epic teams 1980's and the dream THEY can rebuild something that even comes close to that group -- they can't-- there are no more Gretzky's, Coffey's, and Messier's et al.to be found. This generations greats Crosby, Malkin, Kane and Towes are never leaving their teams.

My frustration is the lack of progress (and sorry for the Obama pun) "hope". I hope we as a fan base are not entering what I call the Chicago Cubs Syndrome, whereby loosing is looked at as the norm and acceptable as the season shouldn't end in December and the June draft shouldn't be the only ray of light!

-Brooklyn based Oiler Fan

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#130 bwar
March 04 2014, 03:52PM
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I can't understand how they had to retain salary on top of a horrid return.

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#131 pkam
March 04 2014, 03:54PM
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Will wrote:

Not sure I understand what you're saying. But it sounds like you're saying Gillis can be a crappy manager because ultimately he won't be around for very long?

Luongo has 8 years left in his contract, the actual salary in the next 4 years is 6.7M and almost 4M in the 5th year so he probably won't retired before that.

With his track record in the past 2-3 years, do you think Gillis will survive another 5 years?

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#132 Zarny
March 04 2014, 03:55PM
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I was going to comment on the Luongo trade when it was first announced but it took an hour to pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard.

From Luongo and Schneider to Markstrom and Eddie Lack lol.

Safe to say Gillis could not have handled this worse.

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#133 BobbyCanuck
March 04 2014, 03:56PM
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@Johnnydapunk

but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk...

According to CapGeek The Dub has earned a total $12.2M at the ripe old age of 27

Don't feel bad for him, feel bad for the working class dream chaser spending $200 to watch the Oilers 'play' hockey

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#134 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 03:59PM
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Louie is going home. Good for him. He deserves better after the way the Canucks treated him.

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#135 Towersofdub
March 04 2014, 04:00PM
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@Zarny

Maybe he's planning to flip Kesler for Halak!

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#136 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 04:01PM
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BobbyCanuck wrote:

but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk...

According to CapGeek The Dub has earned a total $12.2M at the ripe old age of 27

Don't feel bad for him, feel bad for the working class dream chaser spending $200 to watch the Oilers 'play' hockey

Amen to that.

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#137 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 04:02PM
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Zarny wrote:

I was going to comment on the Luongo trade when it was first announced but it took an hour to pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard.

From Luongo and Schneider to Markstrom and Eddie Lack lol.

Safe to say Gillis could not have handled this worse.

It'll get worse not to worry LOL. I wonder how the Canuck fans will handle it......Stay classy Vancouver!

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#138 Zarny
March 04 2014, 04:04PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

Maybe he's planning to flip Kesler for Halak!

Considering Pit and Phi are the rumored destinations for Kesler not likely.

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#139 MattL
March 04 2014, 04:08PM
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BobbyCanuck wrote:

Bachman will be takin care of business, and as far as this trade goes, he's just gonna let it ride

Plus, he does some of his best work in OT.

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#140 Vinotintazo
March 04 2014, 04:09PM
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Lets hope Vancouver doesnt riot over this.

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#141 michael
March 04 2014, 04:11PM
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Kesler? Next? Bieksa? Burrows is a boat anchor.How have the Nucks fallen. Don't let that ladder hit you on the way down.

You almost wonder if Lou did not have a standing agreement to be traded by the deadline after not being traded at the draft this year? Did he do a Patrick Roy? Makes you wonder.

Penner for a 4th round pick? Pancakes what is going on?

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#142 Dog Train
March 04 2014, 04:11PM
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At least our NHL goaltending is no longer on the agenda for the off-season. We have other holes to fill so it's just one less thing to worry about.

That Luongo deal is hilarious. Seriously, what in the world is Gillis doing in Vancouver? He has destroyed that team. He went from having two top-15 goaltenders to having none. Markstrom is a solid prospect but he hasn't been able to transition his game to the NHL quite yet. The Canucks are falling apart at the seams and I love it. I can't wait until they are forced to settle for a lesser deal in the off-season for Kesler when teams refuse to pay their high asking price at the deadline.

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#143 Alsker
March 04 2014, 04:21PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Let's not forget that Matthias is a pending UFA....

So the Canucks picked up a prospect and a suspect and a 3rd line rental with 14 points for their two starting goalies...

Lololololololol

rofl...lol..lmfao...lol..lol..lol..etc.etc.etc....

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#144 v4ance
March 04 2014, 04:33PM
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via Twitter: *Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1 year ago Leafs offered Scrivens and draft pick and asked Canucks to retain $1 mil per year for remainder of his contract. Deal fell apart.*

Scrivens and 2nd rounder or Matthias and Markstrom?

Nice work Gillis!

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#145 Spydyr
March 04 2014, 04:49PM
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DSF wrote:

Spydyr.

I'm available it would only cost one of six rings rings his choice which one, just not the Rangers one,Then he will be five rings.

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#146 Clyde Frog
March 04 2014, 04:58PM
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Alsker wrote:

rofl...lol..lmfao...lol..lol..lol..etc.etc.etc....

And it gets better in that they are eating 15% of his salary for the privilege of getting hosed in a trade...

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#147 westcoastoil
March 04 2014, 05:04PM
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pkam wrote:

Luongo has 8 years left in his contract, the actual salary in the next 4 years is 6.7M and almost 4M in the 5th year so he probably won't retired before that.

With his track record in the past 2-3 years, do you think Gillis will survive another 5 years?

Gillis has (I'm pretty sure) 4 more years on his contract...which is awesome. If Van wants to toss him out the Aquilinis will have to give him a monster golden handshake - damned either way!

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#148 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 05:05PM
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Oilerfan wrote:

Mid-50s! RAY Whitney is already 41.

Yeah, very true. Does anyone know who the Oilers have for target practise? I knew it was Floyd for years but I haven't the slightest who else they use. I would guess

Well by the looks of it I was kindof right as it's the UofA goalie Kurtis Mucha who has signed a one day tryout deal.

Livin the dream Mucha !

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#149 Serious Gord
March 04 2014, 05:12PM
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Neither of the goalies EDM now has were better than the backups on the teams they came from - IOW they were the third goalies on each team.

Now they are EDMs #1 and #2.

The odds that this duo is going to lift this team above 20th in the league next year is remote.

Better than Dubnyk and Labarbera - perhaps, but that is only saying that they will be better than the thirtieth best duo in the league this year. They likely will the bottom third or maybe bottom sixth next year - especially behind this teams defense.

Again yet another pygmy trade.

LA and ANA and STL are playing chess while KLOWE and MacT are playing marbles...

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#150 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 05:12PM
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BobbyCanuck wrote:

but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk...

According to CapGeek The Dub has earned a total $12.2M at the ripe old age of 27

Don't feel bad for him, feel bad for the working class dream chaser spending $200 to watch the Oilers 'play' hockey

Don't get me wrong, I'm not feeling that terrible in the grand scheme of things as he does get paid to play a sport that we all love and he can still play somewhere.

I think it was more that he has just had a spectacular fall from grace this season, to go from an undisputed number one on a team (he was going into the season ) to basically being cast off can't be a good feeling no matter how much you make.

I will give some credit as he seemed to do it the hard way and just worked his way up and on paper made a steady progression, hit the peak and now who knows. He didn't come off as a d*ck like some players seem to be. He came off as a pretty sensible nice person which is hard to do as money changes people.

He is in a good life position and I wish him all the best wherever he decides to go.

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