GOALTENDING TRADES...

Jason Gregor
March 04 2014 12:19PM

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Craig MacTavish looks like he has made his decision for his goalies next season. A day after signing Ben Scrivens to a two-year deal, he traded Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota for a 4th round pick, and then he acquired Viktor Fasth from Anaheim for 5th round pick in 2014 and a 3rd round pick in 2015.

I see Scrivens as more of a starter than Fasth.

Fasth is 31 years old and he has played 30 NHL games over the past two seasons. He has a .915 SV% and a 2.32 GAA. Prior to last year he played in the Swedish elite league. He has been banged up this season.

He has one year remaining on his contract and he comes with a $2.9 million cap hit.

They will battle for the starting job, and it is obvious that MacTavish wants to have solid goaltending, especially because the D corps will still be young next season. The timing of the Fasth trade is a bit surprising to me, but clearly MacTavish didn't want to wait and miss out in free agency.

Thought on the trades?

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#1 Eulers
March 04 2014, 12:24PM
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MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

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#2 Olt Timer
March 04 2014, 12:30PM
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Best of luck to Bryz.

I'm sure he's happy to go to a team with a good chance of making the playoffs.

From what I heard he was a good teammate and well liked in the dressing room.

I like both these moves that MacT has made today. Keep em coming.

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#3 John Chambers
March 04 2014, 12:42PM
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still hoping wrote:

More nothing moves shuffling the deck of a bunch of low level NHL outcasts.

Nothing bold or interesting. All boring.

Time for new management with new ideas to attract some quality players.

Six rings and bold moves are not smart enough to put together a playoff contender.

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

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#4 He Who Knows
March 04 2014, 12:58PM
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Tambo was one brutal GM.

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#5 v4ance
March 04 2014, 12:33PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

Cam Ward IS an average NHL goalie but has basked in the glow of one great season winning the cup for far too long.

The cost of acquiring Ward would have been a bad overpayment for his actual performance.

I'm much happier with 2 good options with elite upside constantly fighting for the #1 like St. Louis, Toronto and Anaheim's situations.

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#6 Oilbaron
March 04 2014, 12:24PM
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I dig it. Slightly younger than Bryz, cheaper and playing as good Dubnyk.

Won't solve the problem long term but is a nice stop gap

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#8 **
March 04 2014, 01:22PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Shannon Zsabados. I don't know, but it would be cool if it were her.

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#9 Tommy Ryan Salo-Smyth
March 04 2014, 12:35PM
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Oilers once again putting hopes of next season on 2 unproven goalies. Mac T is either going to look like a genius or we'll all have something else to complain about next December

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#10 john B
March 04 2014, 12:38PM
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I like it! Scrivens/Fasth is about 5x more confidence building than Dubnyk/LaBarberra. Oilers have plenty of "2nd tier" assets to move out & get 2014 2nd-5th rnd picks back

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#11 bwar
March 04 2014, 12:28PM
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Fasth was expendable for Anahiem. I think there is a lot of risk involved here for Edmonton but Fasth/Scrivens could pay off huge for the Oilers.

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#12 **
March 04 2014, 01:21PM
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Yep wrote:

Everyone here who thinks this is a great trade needs to remember EXACTLY what they are saying come next season. This is the same exact rederick that was being spouted about Dubnyk/Labarbarra last summer. "We got these guys cheap and if they play better than everyone expects we will be alright." Do you people seriously not understand what is wrong with that line of thinking? Christ, sometimes I think Oilers fans are getting exactly what they deserve.

I don't remember La Barbera nor Dubnyk ever leading the NHL in sv% or posting an NHL record.

Victor Fasth is an informed gamble. In the end it won't matter who is in goal unless the top 3 d men positions are improved.

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#13 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 12:58PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

I kind of feel bad for Bachman.

He's always got his music career to fall back on. He'll be okay.

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#14 John Chambers
March 04 2014, 12:43PM
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Dan wrote:

So we'll have 2 goalies next year with what, a year experience between both of them?

Would you rather surrendered more assets to acquire Jimmy Howard, Roberto Luongo, or Corey Crawford, and not have been able to afford an upgrade on D?

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#15 vetinari
March 04 2014, 01:40PM
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Good trade. Goaltending went from a big question mark on January 1st to pretty much settled on March 4th... no goalie UFAs to worry about in the offseason and both are under contract for a combined $5.2M/year for 2014-15. Lots of cap room to go after a couple of defencemen in the offseason. Go get them, MacT!

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#16 Spellchecker
March 04 2014, 01:25PM
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I wanna know, who is this Rederick guy Yep was writing about?

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#17 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

jacob Markstrom and others...

Better be a lot better others.

Gillis looking like a fool, trading Schneider and committing to Luongo and then trading Luongo less than a year later?

Happy for Luongo though, he had to put up with nothing but crap from the Canucks for the last couple years.

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#18 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:01PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

Penner - 13 goal, 19 assist, 32 points.

Hemsky - 7 goals, 17 assists, 24 points.

Even if you allow that Penner might get a few "gimme" points playing for a better team as compared to Hemsky, it's still hard to rationalize why Hemsky would fetch anything more than Penner

Especially when you factor in their salaries:

Penner $2M

Hemsky $5M

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#19 GK1980
March 04 2014, 12:26PM
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Scrivens and Fasth? At least it's not Dubnyk and Labarbarra.....I will hold my breath on these two, I'll tell you how this tandem does this December.

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#20 rob
March 04 2014, 12:30PM
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although not super bold moves,I think it is a good tandom and a far cry better than the last 5 years.if scrivens develops into a true starter and fasth handles back up duties,I think the oilers finally addressed our tending problems!!!!good job Mact

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#21 Randaman
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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Jackson wrote:

Lou traded to florida

Good for Lou. He really got screwed over by Gillis last year and Torts this year. Suck it Canucks. Lack of solid starters now!! See what I did there? LOL

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#22 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 12:43PM
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john B wrote:

I like it! Scrivens/Fasth is about 5x more confidence building than Dubnyk/LaBarberra. Oilers have plenty of "2nd tier" assets to move out & get 2014 2nd-5th rnd picks back

I have to concur. The team has upgraded the goaltending ranks with Scrivens/Fasth. Now to get some size up front!

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#23 Dan
March 04 2014, 12:40PM
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So we'll have 2 goalies next year with what, a year experience between both of them?

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#24 jonrmcleod
March 04 2014, 01:52PM
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If you can get a decent NHL goalie tandem for two 3rd round draft picks and a 5th, that’s not bad.

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#25 clrsnldvc81
March 04 2014, 12:39PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

Ward would've wanted what we will be paying Scrivs and Fasth combined... Just because a player WANTS to come to Edmonton (seems very hypocritical of us not wanting someone who actually might want to come here) doesn't mean he is the right fit. Outside of that one year he had to F*&%ing beat our beloved Oil in the finals, he has been a marginal goalie at best... tack on injuries and age... he could be Knabby part duex for us

Excellent trades... getting some value for Bryz... i would've liked it to be a 3rd but beggers cant be choosers

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#26 Wonger
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Eulers wrote:

MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

Great work MACT/OIler management/scouts keep going.....!!!!!!!!

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#27 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:03PM
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Randaman wrote:

Good for Lou. He really got screwed over by Gillis last year and Torts this year. Suck it Canucks. Lack of solid starters now!! See what I did there? LOL

Best thing about this deal is under new CBA vancity is on the hook should Lou decide to retire early or get bought out,lmfao. But yes good for Lou, back to the world of no state income tax!!!!

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#28 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 12:34PM
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Sportsnet.ca says Penner went to Washington for a 4th round pick. If true, that should tell you what Hemsky is worth.

Good job dumping Bryz for some return. I think MacLooselips paid a smidgen too much for Fasth, but no big deal.

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#29 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Found this little nugget of knowledge on Fasth which I found kindof interesting :-)

Old Oilernation Fasth article

I'm fine with the deal 5 mill ish on 2 goalies is more than reasonable. Apparently there are some debates about cap space and it may be lower than many predicted so MacT has done well in not overpaying in the Free agent market for a goalie. With the questions surrounding the cap, there may be some more shuffling around which hopefully can land the Oil a defenceman or 2 or 4

Will Fasth be the 6th goalie to make a start for the Oil this year? That must be an NHL or franchise record at least ?

I'm still impressed with what MacT is doing, they all seem like smart and sometimes unexpected moves. It's a weird feeling actually.

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#30 Max
March 04 2014, 01:59PM
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I agree with Johnnydapunk - I do feel for Duby. Something must have happened in his personal life to have such a drastic implosion on his 'tending. I wish him, his wife and baby son all the best and hope he can get his game back again. Good luck kid you deserve it.

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#31 Will
March 04 2014, 01:27PM
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Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

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#32 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:21PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Better be a lot better others.

Gillis looking like a fool, trading Schneider and committing to Luongo and then trading Luongo less than a year later?

Happy for Luongo though, he had to put up with nothing but crap from the Canucks for the last couple years.

The other is Shawn Mattais, a big 3rd liner.

Vancouver went from a team with easily the best goalie tandem in the league last year to a 3rd line plugger, a goalie with less than .900 sv% in his NHL career and Bo Horvat???

I all but guarantee you Florida would have made that trade last year and they would at least still have Schneider.

Gillis is making Tambo look like a genius!

And people wonder why everyone else laughs at the Canucks.

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#33 mithaman
March 04 2014, 12:25PM
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Fasth's cap hit is fairly high for a backup with 32 games under his belt.

Oilers needed someone to challenge Scrivens but I would have preferred for them to go after a more established goalie when free agency opens.

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#34 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:16PM
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mesa wrote:

I STILL LIKE WHAT MAC T DID AND DOING FOR THE SHORT TIME HE HAD BEEN A GM.IF WHAT HAPPEN IN OTTAWA(BISHOP-CONACHER DEAL) HAD HAPPENED HERE ,MAC T WILL BE CRUCIFIED.

~WHAT??????~

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#35 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:32PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

You may be doing this ironically, I don't know, but hit the caps lock button. You're yelling at all of us and we don't know why.

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#36 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:41PM
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The writing was on the wall once Scrivens signed. The Oil were looking for a 1A, 1B platoon situation. Fasth fits the bill.

We had a lot of uncertainty in the crease going into this year and look what happened. The confidence of this team crashed right through the floor.

Scrivens/Fasth, obviously still some questions there, but I feel better about my goaltending than I did yesterday.

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#37 Zarny
March 04 2014, 03:55PM
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I was going to comment on the Luongo trade when it was first announced but it took an hour to pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard.

From Luongo and Schneider to Markstrom and Eddie Lack lol.

Safe to say Gillis could not have handled this worse.

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#38 2015Playoffs?Nope!
March 04 2014, 03:44PM
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wow. just, wow.

so, instead of picking the young goalie with great upside and pedigree in Schneider, you give him away for Bo Horvat.

then, 8 months later, you trade one of the best regular season goaltenders for a backup goaltender and a third line player?

Luongo must have asked for a trade when he was told he woulndt play at the Heritage Classic, and i dont blame him one bit. Hes been SH1T on from that organization since day one. And with his lovely NMC, he got to pick where he went, which was obvious. To a hockey market that is non-existent. And that is why the terrible return.

Great job Vancouver. You just went from easily the best goalie tandem in hockey to one of the worst in 8 months. Well done.

Eddie Lack is NOT the answer. Neither is Markstrom (not yet, at least).

I would honestly take Scrivens/Fasth over Markstrom/Lack currently.

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#39 Clyde Frog
March 04 2014, 03:48PM
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Let's not forget that Matthias is a pending UFA....

So the Canucks picked up a prospect and a suspect and a 3rd line rental with 14 points for their two starting goalies...

Lololololololol

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#40 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 03:59PM
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Louie is going home. Good for him. He deserves better after the way the Canucks treated him.

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#41 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
March 04 2014, 01:04PM
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I like this. One year left on Fasth's contract, if he lays an egg next year they can walk away. If MacT keeps making sensible deals, I might have to stop calling him Bold Moves.

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#42 YEGFan
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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This is very similar to Tampa Bay's strategy from last year. It worked out pretty well for them.

The Bishop and Scrivens contracts are identical. Now they also have the high upside but unproven Swedish goaltender to push for the starting spot.

The cost for Ben Bishop and Anders Lindback was much higher (in traded assets, not contract). It's a bit of a risk, but it's hard to fault this strategy.

Cam Ward at 6.3M or a FA goalie at 5M+ would have been just as risky.

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#43 still hoping
March 04 2014, 12:36PM
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More nothing moves shuffling the deck of a bunch of low level NHL outcasts.

Nothing bold or interesting. All boring.

Time for new management with new ideas to attract some quality players.

Six rings and bold moves are not smart enough to put together a playoff contender.

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#44 rob
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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anyone notice when Mact t said he was doing bold moves/change the team he did nothing,when he says hes not really going to do anything we might actually get something done?

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#45 Al Low
March 04 2014, 01:05PM
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I'm feeling a lot more comfortable with Scrivens-Fasth than any combination of Dubnyk-LaBarbera-Bryz going into next year. Let's hope MacT can make some moves and bring in some actual NHL dmen in the offseason. I expect the UFAs to be unloaded to recoup draft picks tomorrow. I'd love to see a big move but I think we'll have to wait for the draft for that.

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#46 **
March 04 2014, 01:29PM
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pkam wrote:

I don't quite understand these 2 trades.

Is Fasth better than Bryz? Fasth's career stats is slightly better than Bryz but he only plays 30 NHL games so it is a very small sample. And his stats this year is pretty bad, .885 SV% and 2.95 GA.

I would rather try to re-sign Bryz to 3M for 1 or 2 years, and only make these 2 trades if Bryz refused to re-sign here. It gives us at least one proven goalie for about the same salary for next year or 2, not to mention we have to give up a 3rd and 5th for Fasth and only get a 4th for Bryz.

It's only one year on his contract. If he doesn't work out he can be traded. BRyz was probably not going to re-sign here, I think that is why Mac. T. pulled the trigger.

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#47 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:34PM
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@Johnnydapunk

I agree with you. The one thing Dubynk has over Bachman in this situation is money. Dubnyk has made his millions, and that should help keep him warm at night. It's funny how five million bucks in the bank increases your outlook on things.

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#48 bazmagoo
March 04 2014, 02:59PM
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Alsker wrote:

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

Agreed, may as well sit him as that's the smart thing to do. So it's likely he will dress.

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#49 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 12:57PM
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John Chambers wrote:

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

I wouldn't say having two goalies on your roster who have a combined 88 games nhl experience is good business. They might work out and they might not, clearly management believes in these two. I just wish I could still believe in this management

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#50 **
March 04 2014, 01:18PM
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Mac Tavish is shifting the focus and starting to rebuild form the back end out. I like it. I still think his biggest mistake was to hire a rookie coach with little experience coaching at other levels.

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