GOALTENDING TRADES...

Jason Gregor
March 04 2014 12:19PM

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Craig MacTavish looks like he has made his decision for his goalies next season. A day after signing Ben Scrivens to a two-year deal, he traded Ilya Bryzgalov to Minnesota for a 4th round pick, and then he acquired Viktor Fasth from Anaheim for 5th round pick in 2014 and a 3rd round pick in 2015.

I see Scrivens as more of a starter than Fasth.

Fasth is 31 years old and he has played 30 NHL games over the past two seasons. He has a .915 SV% and a 2.32 GAA. Prior to last year he played in the Swedish elite league. He has been banged up this season.

He has one year remaining on his contract and he comes with a $2.9 million cap hit.

They will battle for the starting job, and it is obvious that MacTavish wants to have solid goaltending, especially because the D corps will still be young next season. The timing of the Fasth trade is a bit surprising to me, but clearly MacTavish didn't want to wait and miss out in free agency.

Thought on the trades?

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#51 Quicksilver ballet
March 04 2014, 02:05PM
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Disappointed they didn't get Andersson, but I'm sure it wasn't from trying. Maybe if they still had their 2nd or 3rd rounder it may have been enough to get Frederik Andersson.

In Scrivens we trust.

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#52 BobbyCanuck
March 04 2014, 03:56PM
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@Johnnydapunk

but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk...

According to CapGeek The Dub has earned a total $12.2M at the ripe old age of 27

Don't feel bad for him, feel bad for the working class dream chaser spending $200 to watch the Oilers 'play' hockey

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#53 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 12:26PM
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Thoughts? Wasn't Shooter Tuitor available? I guess McDavid is the goal for 2015.

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#54 Mr common sense
March 04 2014, 12:27PM
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Damn. This means no Cam Ward who wanted to come to Edm according to local friends of his family. Damn

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#55 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 12:57PM
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I kind of feel bad for Bachman.

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#56 Mason Storm
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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He Who Knows wrote:

Tambo was one brutal GM.

Seriously who trashed this. Is that you Tambo? Get outta here, you're not welcome. Thanks for the memor...........headaches, nightmares and general feelings of dread.

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#57 Fresh Mess
March 04 2014, 01:23PM
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Vinotintazo wrote:

Anaheim wanted to make room for Robidas and probably someone else for their top line, that why they sold low.

I think Hemsky is worth 2-4rth rounder at this point. we'll see.

They got the maximum the market was willing to pay. If there was a better deal to be made, they would have made it.

I agree with your estimation of Hemsky's worth. I think MacLooselips would be thrilled to get a second, but more likely will get a 3rd or 4. Maybe the price will go up tomorrow as scorers start to disappear off the market.

Penner has twice as many goals for less than half the salary of Hemsky. Not to mention he's much bigger which is important at playoff time. Can't see Hemsky being worth more.

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#58 Johnnydapunk
March 04 2014, 01:25PM
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@Fresh Mess

I actually think he is in a pretty decent spot for a guy with limited NHL experience, assuming he resigns with the Oil, he will be a solid 3rd goalie and the chances of him getting NHL time is good, albeit limited.

He will be competing with Tuohimaa and Brossoit for the 3rd spot and it's his to lose. Both Tuohimaa and Brossoit are quite young so I can't see them doing anything except bouncing between Bakersfield and OKC so he is gonna be fine.

I can't believe I'm saying this but the only goalie I feel a bit bad for is Dubnyk, I can't think of any goalie in recent history who has had as awful of a season as he has had. He had the starting job with the Oil locked up and he pooped the bed, escaped and had the opportunity for a fresh start in Nashville and now he is going to be toiling in Milwaukee until his contract expires. He seems like a pretty nice guy too who just didn't seem to cut it at the NHL level. I kindof hope he finds an NHL job somewhere. Or maybe if he brings the right safety equipment he can get a job at the refineries :-)

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#59 Jerry
March 04 2014, 03:01PM
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Oiler fans get excited over trades made so far. Don't forget Oilers ruin players. That smile will turn into anger next year.

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#60 Robert (AKA Hockey Fan)
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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@Jason Gregor

Yeah from Bob Stauffer there is rumor the Ducks want Vanek. That would be a pretty good line indeed with Getzlaf!

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#61 Soccer Steve
March 04 2014, 01:05PM
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Goalies are a funny bunch.

Fasth could as easily end up playing for/backing-up Team Sweden in the next couple years as he could end up a zamboni driver in Stockholm. It is a decent gamble to trade for him.

I honestly feel like Bryz was brought in solely to showcase his game and get something for him. That's precisely what happened.

Good trades. The best part is, with the coming UFAs, if these two crash and burn too, there will be many others to take their spots.

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#62 vetinari
March 04 2014, 01:57PM
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jonrmcleod wrote:

If you can get a decent NHL goalie tandem for two 3rd round draft picks and a 5th, that’s not bad.

I agree... it may be that Tambellini set such a low bar for comparison, but this is the best that I've felt about our goaltending in about 6-7 years and it only cost a few mid round picks. And if everything does go to heck, none of the goalies are locked in beyond two years. Plenty of time to assess what they can do.

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#63 Justin
March 04 2014, 02:00PM
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@Fresh Mess

Two players in very different situations. Not saying Penner is a bad player, and he's a great guy (ive met him). But he is nowhere near the talent Hemsky has. I would love to see what Hemsky could do beside Getzlaf and Perry.

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#64 Danger Pay
March 04 2014, 02:49PM
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Tonight will be the last time I watch Hemsky go offside for the Oilers.

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#65 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 03:03PM
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Alsker wrote:

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

If you don't play Hemsky it shows he is fragile, a label he has carried for a few years, not the message you want to send. Only way he doesn't play is if a deal is basically already done.

A strong game tonight and he may be leaving on the Ottawa charter out of town.

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#66 Wonger
March 04 2014, 12:44PM
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Eulers wrote:

MacT continues to impress. Winning more trades than he is losing.

The signing $ for Scrivens (all joking aside) is fantastic especially contrasted with the last moron's goalie project (Khabibulin).

Great work MACT/OIler management/scouts keep going.....!!!!!!!!

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#67 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:37PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

They got the maximum the market was willing to pay. If there was a better deal to be made, they would have made it.

I agree with your estimation of Hemsky's worth. I think MacLooselips would be thrilled to get a second, but more likely will get a 3rd or 4. Maybe the price will go up tomorrow as scorers start to disappear off the market.

Penner has twice as many goals for less than half the salary of Hemsky. Not to mention he's much bigger which is important at playoff time. Can't see Hemsky being worth more.

Hemsky was pretty good for the Oil in their 2006 playoffs. Part of the problem for him is that injuries caught up to him after taking so many licks over the years, so he's backed off a bit to stay healthy. But don't you think that if Hemsky is on a team making a serious run, and maybe thinking ahead to his next contract, that he might put it back out there again? Hemsky would be a good gamble for the right team.

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#68 bazmagoo
March 04 2014, 02:13PM
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Another solid move by MacT, keep them coming there no helmet head. He continues to impress me with his willingness to pull the trigger. Now if only he'd pull the trigger on Eakins!

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#69 Alsker
March 04 2014, 02:57PM
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Danger Pay wrote:

Tonight will be the last time I watch Hemsky go offside for the Oilers.

Would you actually dress him considering his ability to injure himself? If he's moving on(I know I said "if") why take the risk?

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#70 Will
March 04 2014, 03:00PM
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2015Playoffs?Nope! wrote:

Good comment until i read: "...Legwand and we have a whole new team next year."

Why do people think Legwand will be of any use here in Edmonton? He is terrible, and has the worst +/- on a DEFENCE FIRST TEAM in Nashville.

I'd almost rather keep Gagner, and i HATE Gagner (The player, not the person)

Couple of things:

First, the guy is only minus 7, does not have the best linemates, and plays 1st line centre against the NHL's most difficult competition.

Second, defence first team means low scoring. Legwand does not have the chance to rack up a ton of goals because the system he plays on demands 2 way responsibility. So, yes, 7 more goals have been scored on the ice then have gone the other way, but again given he doesn't play with the most skilled guys ever, I can't imagine there's a ton of opportunity in Nashville for the puck to got he other way.

Third, I don't think he should be our top line center, rather an upgrade on the second line which he would be for the following reasons: - He's defensively responsible.

- He's a bit bigger than Gagner

- Is a veteran leader that can help develop the young kids

- Has the most points on a defence first team

- Is known for his two way play

- wins half his face-offs.

Finally, I would rather have Stasny. But given the market and complete lack of highly sought after centermen like Legwand and Stasny, beggers can't be choosers. The only thing it will take to get these guys is money, something I have no investment in, and something the Oilers have a lot of and a lot of room for. If you have a better suggestion for second line center that is actually attainable, by all means...

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#71 John Kirsch
March 04 2014, 03:01PM
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Will wrote:

Goalies are such a crap shoot that I agree it's better to go with a 1A 1B tandem that comes cheap ala Chicago, St. Louis, and Detroit, rather than spend and sink like Carolina, Philly (Bryz), and Nashville.

I also agree that it won't matter if the Oilers go back in time and get Roy in his prime, if our defence still lacks, any goalie will be hung out to dry.

I am enjoying his impatience in solving problems well ahead of next season. The guy is getting the work done and scratching items off his shopping list.

Veteran top 2 D, and either Stasny or Legwand and we have a whole new team next year. Nice to see he will have a ton of money to finally get some high profile free agents.

Let's not blame everything on the D, the forward unit(s)as a whole don't come back to support the D. We constantly loose O Zone puck battles that create scoring opportunities, there is little to no puck support (and it is not just Yak)...I watch that play out night after night.

In terms of FA's wanting to come here to get some Northern Exposure; I assume most players want to avoid this dysfunctional mess at all costs, we are a place of last resort, a paycheck. In fact we probably rank lower than the train wreck on Long Island in terms of a desirable destination. Opps I forgot about Buffalo...

We need new leadership (AKA ownership) but alas like the Islanders we are stuck with ownership and management who think they are smarter than everyone else. And fools like me care.

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#72 Towersofdub
March 04 2014, 03:25PM
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@Yep

"rederick" ?? If you're going to use grown up words, at least learn how to spell them.

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#73 Vinotintazo
March 04 2014, 04:09PM
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Lets hope Vancouver doesnt riot over this.

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#74 still hoping
March 04 2014, 12:49PM
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@John Chambers

And we have had six rings and bold moves running this team for 14 years with, what is it... The worst record in the NHL.....

Hmmm. There is a difference between doing something for 14 year and doing something right.

No leadership in current management and zero hockey smarts.

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#75 Bob Cobb
March 04 2014, 01:36PM
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@Spellchecker

~Do you mean Pokey Reddick? That must be it, I mean he is a goalie.~ If they brought him in than you would hear a lot of RHETORIC from management.

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#76 Jackson
March 04 2014, 02:47PM
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Lou traded to florida

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#77 toprightcorner
March 04 2014, 02:48PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Back up? We don't need no stinkin backup!!

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#78 ?
March 04 2014, 03:27PM
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v4ance wrote:

Cam Ward IS an average NHL goalie but has basked in the glow of one great season winning the cup for far too long.

The cost of acquiring Ward would have been a bad overpayment for his actual performance.

I'm much happier with 2 good options with elite upside constantly fighting for the #1 like St. Louis, Toronto and Anaheim's situations.

Elite upside? Don't flatter Scrivens and Fasth.

You forget, this is EDM, where careers go to die

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#79 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:43PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

The other is Shawn Mattais, a big 3rd liner.

Vancouver went from a team with easily the best goalie tandem in the league last year to a 3rd line plugger, a goalie with less than .900 sv% in his NHL career and Bo Horvat???

I all but guarantee you Florida would have made that trade last year and they would at least still have Schneider.

Gillis is making Tambo look like a genius!

And people wonder why everyone else laughs at the Canucks.

Just posted on VancityN in hopes they never fire Gillis, he honestly may be the best thing to have happened to NHL hockey in Alberta in decades!

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#80 Bobble21
March 04 2014, 12:34PM
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With the Continued lack of any sort of knowledge about goalies, we will continue to lack a healthy development of ANY goalies in our system. Please get rid of the goalie coach, and stop signing backups and burying them in the minors and taking up spots that we need our draft picks to fill. The way the Oilers treat goalies they shouldn't even Draft them. It's pathetic.

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#81 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 12:51PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Would you rather surrendered more assets to acquire Jimmy Howard, Roberto Luongo, or Corey Crawford, and not have been able to afford an upgrade on D?

What have you seen that makes you confident that mgmt can acquire an expensive D upgrade? Fasth is the Grebeshkov of goalies. There is a reason 30 year olds are playing in leagues other than the NHL.

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#82 Me
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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John Chambers wrote:

We shed negligible assets to build a low-cost goaltending tandem next year that has upside to deliver beyond their contracts.

Anyone who doesn't understand how positive the last 24 hours has been doesn't understand the business.

While you sit there hoping, somebody is actually doing something.

At least your douchey looking picture matches your condescending smarter than everyone else post.

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#83 Ed in Edmonton
March 04 2014, 12:53PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Sportsnet.ca says Penner went to Washington for a 4th round pick. If true, that should tell you what Hemsky is worth.

Good job dumping Bryz for some return. I think MacLooselips paid a smidgen too much for Fasth, but no big deal.

Penner - 13 goal, 19 assist, 32 points.

Hemsky - 7 goals, 17 assists, 24 points.

Even if you allow that Penner might get a few "gimme" points playing for a better team as compared to Hemsky, it's still hard to rationalize why Hemsky would fetch anything more than Penner

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#84 mesa
March 04 2014, 01:19PM
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BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

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#85 DSF
March 04 2014, 02:27PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Spydyr.

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#86 pkam
March 04 2014, 02:53PM
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Jackson wrote:

Lou traded to florida

Now he can pump Thomas tire everyday.

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#87 Will
March 04 2014, 03:13PM
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Jerry wrote:

Oiler fans get excited over trades made so far. Don't forget Oilers ruin players. That smile will turn into anger next year.

Definately some examples of players regressing here. Eric Cole comes to mind. However, Penner had some of his most productive years here, even though they were rocky. And look at Gordon and Perron this year. Playing on a terrible team, both having career years.

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#88 Alsker
March 04 2014, 03:50PM
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Ok, trade talk is nice, but where the hel[ is todays GDB?

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#89 Ross AlZuboora
March 04 2014, 03:50PM
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Starting to wonder if Dave Jamieson is gay. People want to be gay, be gay. I'm sick of this clown beating me over the head daily with LGBT talk. Jason Collins is a garbage basketball player and Michael Sam is lucky if he gets picked better the 5th round.

Stick to Sports, its really getting redundant and annoying. I don't care who's gay. Get off this topic,unless you want to come out. It would explain a lot.

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#90 Dave
March 04 2014, 07:44PM
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I am still hoping that someone anyone takes Gagner.

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#91 rob
March 04 2014, 01:09PM
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got a feeling old BOLD MOVES is gonna pull a rabbit outta his arse!

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#92 Yep
March 04 2014, 01:17PM
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Everyone here who thinks this is a great trade needs to remember EXACTLY what they are saying come next season. This is the same exact rederick that was being spouted about Dubnyk/Labarbarra last summer. "We got these guys cheap and if they play better than everyone expects we will be alright." Do you people seriously not understand what is wrong with that line of thinking? Christ, sometimes I think Oilers fans are getting exactly what they deserve.

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#93 pkam
March 04 2014, 01:19PM
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I don't quite understand these 2 trades.

Is Fasth better than Bryz? Fasth's career stats is slightly better than Bryz but he only plays 30 NHL games so it is a very small sample. And his stats this year is pretty bad, .885 SV% and 2.95 GA.

I would rather try to re-sign Bryz to 3M for 1 or 2 years, and only make these 2 trades if Bryz refused to re-sign here. It gives us at least one proven goalie for about the same salary for next year or 2, not to mention we have to give up a 3rd and 5th for Fasth and only get a 4th for Bryz.

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#94 Ed in Edmonton
March 04 2014, 01:41PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Hemsky was pretty good for the Oil in their 2006 playoffs. Part of the problem for him is that injuries caught up to him after taking so many licks over the years, so he's backed off a bit to stay healthy. But don't you think that if Hemsky is on a team making a serious run, and maybe thinking ahead to his next contract, that he might put it back out there again? Hemsky would be a good gamble for the right team.

You seem to be saying you need to go back 8 years to find a good performance by Hemsky??? Let's hope some other teams have a higher regard than that or the Oil may be left holding the bag.

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#95 lmao
March 04 2014, 02:24PM
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mesa wrote:

BY THE WAY WHO IS THE BACK UP TODAY?

Brian Burke.

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#96 Pavel
March 04 2014, 02:31PM
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Now if only they trade Yakupov for Sean Couturier.

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#97 bwar
March 04 2014, 03:52PM
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I can't understand how they had to retain salary on top of a horrid return.

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#98 Alsker
March 04 2014, 04:21PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Let's not forget that Matthias is a pending UFA....

So the Canucks picked up a prospect and a suspect and a 3rd line rental with 14 points for their two starting goalies...

Lololololololol

rofl...lol..lmfao...lol..lol..lol..etc.etc.etc....

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#99 Reg Dunlop
March 04 2014, 01:08PM
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rob wrote:

anyone notice when Mact t said he was doing bold moves/change the team he did nothing,when he says hes not really going to do anything we might actually get something done?

I think that is Misdirection 101, one of the courses offered through the Queens mail order MBA program. If only I had gone the mail order route instead of closing down RATT and Dinwoodie every night, I might have become a professional with distinguished gray hair instead of balding, bitter Mcjob me. Go oil.

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#100 Lochenzo
March 04 2014, 01:59PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

You seem to be saying you need to go back 8 years to find a good performance by Hemsky??? Let's hope some other teams have a higher regard than that or the Oil may be left holding the bag.

Nah, my point was more along the lines of refuting that you need to be a linebacker to be effective in the playoffs.

Phil Kessel is not my favourite player. He actively tries to avoid taking hits and getting hit by the puck. But he has some good playoff stats and had a good series against Boston, despite playing most of his minutes against his nemesis, Chara.

I can complain all I want about Kessel, but you can't take away that productivity.

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