SHOULDER THE LOAD

Lowetide
March 05 2014 11:10PM

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Today's deadline deal that sent away Nick Schultz opens up a big league job for a left defender. Oscar Klefbom was to receive the call today, but suffered an injury and his NHL debut is delayed.

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Statistically, Klefbom has shown progress in his first pro season. If we split his season in half, it's easy to see the progress:

  • Oct-Dec: 27, 0-3-3 -10
  • Jan-Mar: 18, 1-5-6 +1

That's progress! Recently, Jonathan Willis wrote an interesting item on Klefbom and I think pointed us to the reason why the Oilers want to see Klefbom now.

  • Willis: Klefbom    has been the third most-impressive AHL blueliner, and his numbers back that up. He’s been playing mostly on a pairing with David Musil too, so his results have not been goosed by having a difference-making partner. He’s almost the exact opposite of Fedun as a player: Fedun has average speed, below average size, but computes the game brilliantly while Klefbom’s extremely fast and has a pro frame but gets in trouble because his decision making could be better.

I spoke to Jason Strudwick about Klefbom today, and he mentioned something that benefited him when he was Klefbom's age, gave him an indication about how much was still to be done: a game in the NHL.    


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Klefbom's injury history is growing, and word today (from MacT, and vague) about another injury is a concern. He's missed time this season and lost most of last season to injury back in Sweden. Klefbom's injury history is fairly long for such a young man:

  • Sept 2/11: Swedish Oil: Klefbom was unlucky enough to get cut on his thigh by an ice skate, the wound was sewn with ten stitches, and when the stitches were removed there was an infection. Now Klefbom is on penicillin which also prohibits him from playing. 
  • Nov 14/11: Sami Hoffrén: Klefbom was hit to the head by a Russian forward and he had to leave the game. Didn’t play in the tournament after that hit. I assume Klefbom suffered a concussion.
  • Oct 9/12: he lost his season to a shoulder injury.     Oscar Klefbom: “It happened on Oct. 9 playing against Vaxjo,” Klefbom said. “I dumped the puck in the offensive zone and I got a small hit from behind and I lost my balance and I flew into the boards. I had to catch myself with my left arm. Afterwards, I couldn’t feel my arm, it was like a dead arm. I didn’t know what happened.”
  • Sept 12/13: Oilers announce they are following concussion protocol after Klefbom is injured in the U of A game.
  • 2013-14: He spent various portions of the season out of the lineup with injury. 

Injuries are now a pretty large issue with this player—not Pouliot-level yet—and he hasn't played his first NHL game.

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This is unwelcome news. It's important not to overreact—MacT's word and tone didn't suggest anything major and Klefbom finished the game—but it's worth noting as the news cycle winds down for the day.

Oscar Klefbom has been on the horizon for a couple of years now, and the injury concerns have been marching in lock step. We wait for more information on Klefbom. 

(photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#51 eastcoastoil
March 05 2014, 11:27PM
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LT,

Do you know if the Larsen reacall was before or after the trade deadline?

I thought i read somewhere that JW thought Klef was better served by coming up halfway through the season next year.

I also remember that Ebs came up after the pats season was over(i think). Is that a option with Nurse?

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#52 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 06 2014, 09:53AM
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Previous Gregor Post

"By my count in the 47-year history of the draft, only seven [players picked top-5] have emerged as elite defenders. Brad Park, Denis Potvin, Dave Babych, Larry Murphy, Scott Neidermayer, Chris Pronger and Ed Jovanovski. Drew Doughty looks like he’ll join that group and the jury is still out on Bogosian, Hedman, Suter, Phaneuf, Johnson and Johnson."

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#53 Oil Can
March 06 2014, 09:59AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Yes I agree that there are some players that should never be traded before the teams see what they have. But with Klefbom the Oil know what they have and he would seem to be a quality defence prospect and should be a 3 or 4 d-man in the NHL in a year or so. But the Oil have to many top defence prospects and Klefbom would be better served if he was packaged and traded for a need for the Oil. But it will also take a lot more than him and Gagner to get a number one d-man. Personally I don't think that anybody is going to give up a number one d-man period, but if someone was to give one up it would take Hall or RNH, just to get to talks started. And Erhoff or Cambell are not the defenceman that the Oil need. Sutter or Weber are the type of d-man that the Oil need and they are not available and if they were available it would be a bidding war that the Oil probably would not win any way.

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#54 GriffCity
March 06 2014, 10:08AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

When we are speaking of call-ups,lets remember that OKC is in a playoff race. The Oilers are no where near that. Why pull their best players at this point. The playoff experience will serve them better than the bottom of the NHL experience they would receive here.

Disagree. Players play their way to be among the best so that they can get a call from the NHL. AHL playoffs, which aren't even here yet or an NHL debut? hmm, tough call. Furthermore, the NHL experience is required to see if a player can actually perform at that level, regardless of AHL play. See Omark and/or Lander for definable reasons.

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#55 Harry
March 06 2014, 10:51AM
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Mclick wrote:

Am I the only one that is REALLY tired of the "Good Soldier" reference for Hemsky and just hockey players in general. I get it, you heard them say it on the radio over and over so now it is your opinion.

Hockey players are not soldier. Does a hockey player put his life on the line to barely make an income? Does a hockey player have to deal with PTSD. I've seen it first hand how it affects "REAL" soldiers.

Tired of that reference and I hope to not hear it. Hemsky was a good player and worked hard and took a beating while doing it.

I was totally with you until you said he worked hard.

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#56 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
March 06 2014, 10:53AM
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Oil Can wrote:

Yes I agree that there are some players that should never be traded before the teams see what they have. But with Klefbom the Oil know what they have and he would seem to be a quality defence prospect and should be a 3 or 4 d-man in the NHL in a year or so. But the Oil have to many top defence prospects and Klefbom would be better served if he was packaged and traded for a need for the Oil. But it will also take a lot more than him and Gagner to get a number one d-man. Personally I don't think that anybody is going to give up a number one d-man period, but if someone was to give one up it would take Hall or RNH, just to get to talks started. And Erhoff or Cambell are not the defenceman that the Oil need. Sutter or Weber are the type of d-man that the Oil need and they are not available and if they were available it would be a bidding war that the Oil probably would not win any way.

Yeah.....and there's a snowballs chance in hell that Slats can trade for last years Art Ross Trophy winner at the deadline. Also....Erhoff and Campbell are miles ahead of ANY defensemen the Oilers currently have. Don't let the perfect come at the cost of the good. Do so and you risk ending up doing nothing.....and the COST of doing nothing is that you further erode the development of the core talent.

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#57 Oil Can
March 06 2014, 11:06AM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

With all due respect St.Louis is not one of the top centres or forwards in the game and he is 38 years old and he requested a trade and would only go to New York. That is a whole lot different than trying to get a big tough number one defenceman in his prime. Both Erhoff and Cambell are to soft and offensive d-men only. Yes they are better than what the Oil have now, but they will not make the Oil better enough to even think about the playoffs.

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#58 Taylor Gang
March 06 2014, 02:29PM
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As the years go by, I'm starting to lean towards the trade Klefbom camp. With the Oilers almost CERTAINLY picking #1 or #2 this year, the pick will most likely be spent on Ekblad. If that is the case, Ekblad immediately passes Klefbom on the prospect depth chart. With Marincin, Schultz, Nurse, and Ekblad as a potential top 4, that is an extremely young defensive core. A more veteran presence would be needed on defense. Considering the pedigree of Schultz, Nurse, and Ekblad, and the experience that Marincin already has, not to mention the increasing concern for injury associated with Klefbom, that makes him the odd man out. Trade Klef in a package for some centre depth, preferably a two way forward in the mold of Dubinsky. Also, when MacT said he was going to make some "bold moves", I don't think what he meant was a full identity change. (See Hall, Taylor or Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan) I believe what he meant was more Tyler Myers, Keith Yandle types for Yakupov or Eberle.

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#59 BigE91
March 06 2014, 11:30AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Put Klefbom in a package with Gagner and whoever and get us a legitimate number one Dman.

Yes! To all of you "you can't trade him before he even plays a game in the NHL"....yes...yes you can...these artificial cliche parameters are all bullcrap.....get it done MacT! The Kid is Brittle...and we MUST get a number one Dman who can play now. Enough already with the hopes and wishes and unicorn kisses.

The whole Klefbom, Nurse, Ekblad, plan reeks of desperation....

Yes, exactly, Klefbom, Gagner and WHOEVER, is going to bring the Oilers a number 1 d-man. Unless the circumstances are extenuating the only 2 players on the Oilers that have the ability of garnering a number 1 d-man in trade are Hall and Nugent-Hopkins. A package of Eberle and Yakupov might do the trick but there is no way Gagner, a prospect and ??? entice a GM to give away a cornerstone player.

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#60 Harry
March 06 2014, 12:24PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

As I said here in pre-season when everyone was ready package him anywhere they could, Marincin was the only one on the farm that was ready and had higher end potential. It has shown this year - look at his poise, hockey sense, positioning, stick work, etc. Add in his skating and size, and he could develop into a decent #2 in time (might need to

Klefbom's injuries aside, he looks like he will be a second pairing d-man at best if he makes it. There is nothing wrong with that - if he can become a solid shut-down second pairing d-man in 3 or 4 years it will be great for the team. However, everyone needs to be patient and just let him develop. A full year on the farm, and even some time next season, will not hurt him. The organization needs to take the same approach they did with Marincin and let Todd Nelson and crew develop him, not Steve Smith......

Very well said. The guy is just getting comfortable in NA so why trade him now while his stock is at its lowest? I really hope EDM lands Markov this offseason to ancor the D until Marincin Klef Nurse and god willing Ekblad are ready for 20 mins per game.

If Mac is gonna shore up the back end via trade id much rather him do it by dealing a forward. Hate to say it but that forward has to be Eberle. Gagner and Yak wont get you anything. And even if he does try to strengthen the D via trade no one is giving up a Weber or Doughty a true #1 Dman unless Hall and Nurse are part of that package going back. Maybe Eberle gets you Bogosian + from WPG in the summer who knows.

But if they can sign Markov + one or two other 3,4 guys and draft Ekblad theres no need to make a massive trade for a defenceman. Then I do believe Eberle needs to be traded for a big power forward

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#61 Taylor Gang
March 06 2014, 02:34PM
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Zarny wrote:

Yes, Klefbom should be given a taste of the NHL to close out the season to both evaluate him and provide first hand experience at the NHL level.

Long term however, I echo the sentiments that some of the Oilers D prospects need to be packaged to fill holes in other areas.

First, it would be an unmitigated disaster to plan for a blueline in 1-2 years that includes Petry, Schultz, Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse and maybe Ekblad. Petry would be the only D with more than 400 games experience. 4 of the D would have less than 160 games experience. Losing for another 4-5 years would be the only result.

Second, Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom and several other prospects all play the left side. If Nurse projects to be a top pair D that leaves Klefbom and Marincin fighting for the same spot on the 2nd pair.

Third, you have to be realistic about what the Oilers actually have. Klefbom has 9 pts in 45 AHL games. Marincin only has 7 pts in 24 AHL games. Justin Schultz, for comparison, had 48 pts in 34 AHL games last season .

So the concerns that Klefbom or Marincin will turn into top pairing D on another team are unfounded. They both project to be 3-4 D not top pair. One is likely part of the long term solution but they are redundant assets.

Whether it's at the draft, over the summer or after next season one of Klefbom or Marincin and possibly Gernat, Musil or Simpson should be packaged and moved to fill other holes.

Unless you want to see the same disaster we've seen playing young forwards prone to making mistakes with other young forwards prone to making mistakes repeated on defense.

Only it will be uglier since the D is the last line of defense and the first line of offense coming out of your own zone.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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#62 Al Low
March 06 2014, 05:47PM
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John B wrote:

That's the biggest problem this defense corp has had to deal with for about 7 years now isn't it; half a dozen #3-#7 defensemen trying to play above their heads! One day this franchise will have to get over their inferiority complex & start putting guys into positions where they are designed to fit (eg, bonafide #1 NHL defencemen in first pairing), then they don't have to do a job they aren't cut out for.

The other advantage to putting the right defenceman into the right spot is they don't have worry about doing their partners job as well as their own which is what happens a lot right now.

Totally agree with you. Other than Nurse, I don't think they have anybody who's capable of being a top 2 dman. And, it's difficult to say how long it will take Nurse to become that guy. I don't think he's coming into the NHL next year and playing 1st pairing minutes, that's for sure. MacT needs to acquire at least one big name, top pairing guy in the offseason.

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#63 Wonger
March 07 2014, 08:39AM
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GREAT GAME MARK FRASER!!!! Please lock this gentleman up for at least 3 more years MACT! He is a perfect 5-6-7 D! He even scares me in the warm up! HE LOOKS TOUGH AND IS TOUGH AS NAILS!!!!!!!! GO MARK FRASER!!!!

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#64 Max
March 06 2014, 08:41AM
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Max wrote:

I was disappointed with the recall of Larsen, felt plenty of others deserved it more, but when I listened to the presser, MacT said that Larson hadn't yet flown back to OKC so he was readily available.

I am really hoping for Fedun to come up again, and Pitlick as well as others. Giving these kids a chance will be a good sign of what we have to do at end of season.

Larsen - sorry, too early in the morning to be perfect!!!!!!

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#65 K Pal
March 06 2014, 10:02AM
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K Pal wrote:

Hmmmmmm. Shea Weber...Duncan Keith....just off the top of my head. But of course, there is nothing elite about these guys. Right ?????????????????

Oops.. missed top five .. my apologies. Curious though. Which Oiler defense prospect picked in top 5 were we referring to???

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#66 Quicksilver ballet
March 06 2014, 11:36AM
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K Pal wrote:

Hmmmmmm. Shea Weber...Duncan Keith....just off the top of my head. But of course, there is nothing elite about these guys. Right ?????????????????

They're discussing Dmen that were drafted in the top 5. Weber and Keith were well outside that group.

Could probably add Adam Larsson to that group though. Should be interesting to see the results of Seth Jones after year one. Probably be some good data there that could be useful for 18/19 yr old dmen.

Klefbom needs to put a healthy season together before he'll have much/any value. Throwing him to the AHL wolves could shorten what appears to be a soon perishing hockey career.

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#67 GoCanadaGo
March 06 2014, 01:38PM
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cut by a skate, hit to the head, hit from behind, concussion.

the concussion is the only one that would be bothersome because the head is delicate. all the other injuries are from dumb plays that seem like they couldnt have been avoided.

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#68 Al Low
March 06 2014, 05:43PM
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Al Low wrote:

That's unfortunate. Hopefully, Klefbom's good to go soon. Anything would be better than the D that we're looking at right now. As bad as Justin Schultz has looked some nights, I think he's still got lots of potential. But I see him as a no 3-4 dman in the future. Petry and Ferrence (albeit a very overpaid bottom pairing guy in Ferrence) are 5-6 on most teams. I do think Nurse will eventually be a top 2 guy. It would be great to see where Klefbom would fit into this potential future group. Obviously, a top dman is still needed and something MacT needs to address in the offseason. I think Fedun could take a 5-6 spot if the Oil decided to unload Petry in a package after the season. Larson and Belov don't really cut it as NHL dmen, in my opinion. And, it's good to see Nick Schultz and Corey Potter will not be options going forward.

I did forget to mention Marincin. He's a guy who could potentially be a top 4 guy, as well. MacT needs to shop for at least 2 dmen in the offseason. He will get one of those guys when he offloads Eberle this summer.

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#69 2004Z06
March 06 2014, 08:27PM
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Rob... wrote:

I think you're really cherry picking the reasons people join the military. There are many reasons to join that aren't altruistic.

They also have special ways of dealing with soldiers who attempt to go Marty St. Louis on them.

I respect our military, and our veterans, but people are people, and there are few, if any jobs out there that deserve high pedestals that place people beyond scrutiny.

I wasn't cherry picking a thing or placing anyone on pedestals. I was simply stating that hockey players have become mercs. Not all necessarily their own doing, but mercs none the less.

Referring to them repeatedly as soldiers is completely inaccurate.

I respect our military personnel as well, but the intent of my post was not a reflection on our military as much as it was an opinion of our current NHL player market.

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