GDB 65.0: ANYONE FEEL A DRAFT?

Lowetide
March 09 2014 10:33AM

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The Los Angeles Kings roll into Edmonton tonight, in search of two points and a healthy roster at minute 60. The Oilers? Evaluating the recalls, making sure next year's goalie tandem doesn't spring a leak, and trying to straighten out the ghastly power play.

In February I looked at the lottery section of the  2014 Entry draft

  1. D Aaron Ekblad
  2. C Sam Reinhart
  3. C Sam Bennett
  4. C Leon Draisaitl
  5. L Michael Dal Colle
  6. L Jake Virtanen
  7. C Ivan Barbashev

It's time to add another name, we'll call him #8 on the list: RW David Pastrnak. Each year I look for a name (near springtime) to emerge from the Europeans and for 2014 I believe it's Pastrnak.

  • Craig Button: Pastrnak's ability to challenge defenders with his skating from both straight-ahead and darting positions makes him dangerous. He has very good hands and is always looking to create scoring opportunities.

If the season ended today, Edmonton would be drafting 2nd overall (I believe they'll pass the Islanders and the Panthers). I also believe they'll be happy with any of the top 4 names above, and that there's a slight chance Ekblad is not chosen #1 overall. It's a very interesting top of the draft board currently.

My bet for Oilers pick: Ekblad if they can make a move draft day, Draisaitl any other way.

TRADING SAMWISE

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After the trade deadline passed without a second or third-round selection coming to Edmonton, I think there's an increased chance we see Sam Gagner dealt for picks (or a pick and a player). Bruce Garrioch talks about NHL teams holding their high picks more dear at the deadline here. 

If the Oilers deal Gagner for a second and a third at the draft, I'm absolutely certain many Oiler fans will be up in arms. However, the Gagner money ($4.8M) may be better spent on a free-agent defender (possibly Brooks Orpik or Andrei Markov) or in trade for Braydon Coburn or Christian Ehrhoff.

Gagner for Ehrhoff works too, but the Oilers may have to offload the Gagner contract and then pursue a player with the cash in hand.

LINEUP

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Perron-RNH-Eberle
Hendricks-Gordon-Joensuu
Gazdic-Smyth-Jones

Ference-J.Schultz
Marincin-Petry
Fraser-Larsen

Scrivens

WESTCOTT KEL

I've lifted this from the last GDT, the two recalls won't play. Both men are on emergency recall, so we'll see how it rolls. Edmonton is down to three recalls available now (Larsen being the first) so at least three of the guys in OKC we thought we would see won't be here this season.

TONIGHT

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PREDICTION: Scrivens stops 50 and the Oilers win 2-1. Team takes Scrivens out for fries and a Coke after the game.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Los Angeles will dominate entire shifts.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS PREDICTION: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins breaks out of his slump with both goals—on the power play!


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#51 samurai003
March 09 2014, 01:56PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Any chance that Eakins is history at the end of this season, along with the other two statues behind the bench.?

Its troubling when you hear comments about the lack of intensity in the teams practice habits! More than one source, must be something to it. However, non of the Edmonton scribes dare do a research and write up on this issue.

Heck there were times when Eakins was in the stands during practice... to big to communicate to the players.

Also: Why does he always send out the 4 th line after a [rare] goal is scored. Should send a line that can build on the momentum of the game.

Careful Guys...when someone leaves their current position, eventually it leads to a management promotion, like MacT and Howson.

It's interesting on the basic stats of these three: Howson: ran CBJ into the ground, and now they are in the playoff race. Only been with the Oilers and CBJ. Maybe no other takers for his services except KBlowe.

MacT: As a failed coach with Oilers, and Chicago Wolves(AHL), TSN pickup him for a short stint. Only to leave that post for a promotion - with the Oilers. No other NHL takers except for KBlowe.

KBlowe: No management experience except with the Oilers - he's successfully been golfing in April for 9 (soon to be 10) years since 2000, the year he was given an office as GM. He works on his golf skills more than his management skills.

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#52 Wyatt
March 09 2014, 01:57PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

No way Oilers take Draisaitl if they are picking top three. Bennet and Reinhart are way too good. Who cares about size when they are easily the best forwards in the draft. Either one of these guys would set the Oilers up at center for 15 years.

Who cares about size...? If you've been watching the oilers for the past 7 years you would know that statement is ludacris.

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#53 Rick Stroppel
March 09 2014, 02:03PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Lowetide:

"If the season ended today, Edmonton would be drafting 2nd overall (I believe they'll pass the Islanders and the Panthers). "

1- isn't it a lottery for the top five? If so then there is no guarantee that finishing second last gets you the #2 pick.

2. Almost impossible for the oil to catch either of those two teams - the oil have a far tougher schedule.

As for the gagner trade discussion - no way anyone gives up a second and a third unless the oil are allowed to buy up a huge percentage of his contract (and keep that chunk of cap room. And the oil doesn't need more picks - it needs real nhl ready players. Thus the best route would be to trade the underperforming, negative value gagner for another underperforming negative value player who has a skill set that better addresses the oils needs.

RE LOTTERY

Literallly any team that misses the playoffs could win the # 1 pick in the new system that started last year. The 30 the place team has a 25% chance, 29th has 18.8 %, 28th has 14.2 %, down to the 15th place team (missing the playoffs by one spot) which has a 0.5 % chance of picking first overall. The only pick that is subject to the lottery is # 1 pick. Google NHL Draft Lottery for more info.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO GAGNER

Buffalo finishes last overall, wins the lottery, drafts Ekblad, trades now superfluous Tyler Myers to Edmonton for Gagner. Both players flourish in their new homes.

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#54 Serious Gord
March 09 2014, 02:19PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

RE LOTTERY

Literallly any team that misses the playoffs could win the # 1 pick in the new system that started last year. The 30 the place team has a 25% chance, 29th has 18.8 %, 28th has 14.2 %, down to the 15th place team (missing the playoffs by one spot) which has a 0.5 % chance of picking first overall. The only pick that is subject to the lottery is # 1 pick. Google NHL Draft Lottery for more info.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO GAGNER

Buffalo finishes last overall, wins the lottery, drafts Ekblad, trades now superfluous Tyler Myers to Edmonton for Gagner. Both players flourish in their new homes.

You forgot this piece:

"A single selection from the lottery pool is made, with the winning team improving its draft position to the number 1 spot, and no team dropping more than one place."

(From wiki)

So a last place team picks no worse than second - and so on.

No way that trade with buffalo happens unless the oil pays gagner's contract.

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#55 Naky
March 09 2014, 02:27PM
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@Serious Gord

The way you keep going on and on about Gagner's contract makes you look a bit silly. Gagner's not that drastically overpaid as a guy who has routinely put up 40-50 points a year on the worst team in the league every year since he joined the Oilers. In that guy's scenario, look up Myers contract and tell me that he's worth the full 5.5m per year right now. Here's a hint: it's not at all. In that situation, the Oilers shouldn't have to eat anything and if they did, the amount would be so little it'd be laughable. For crying out loud, Vancouver managed to trade Roberto's contract without eating hardly anything and that contract's far worse than Gagner's.

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#56 Curcro
March 09 2014, 02:36PM
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I know allot blame Eakins for not getting players to follow his systems.

I once took over a Management role, were my Assistant was stepped down, so she was resentful of me for the whole year she worked for me. Our lack of progress as a team was often the result of her subverting things I was trying to achieve.

The only constants in the last few years is Bucky and Smith. They may feel resentful of Eakins, here is a guy who has leaped frogged them from the AHL, they don't even a thought of being in the running for the job.

It doesn't take much to subvert things. "Hey what do you think of this drill?" "I don't like it, we never did anything like that in the NHL when I was there." "Do I have to do it?" "Yes he is the boss."

Little stuff like this is all it takes to derail efficient change.

When the assistant coaches run drills do they go off the plan?

If Bucky & Smith are not fully with the program, it could explain the year.

I don't have any inside information, but it is a possibility that MacT has to consider when making decisions at the end of the year.

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#57 SiD
March 09 2014, 02:36PM
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@Serious Gord

That's old. Now every team out of the playoffs have the potential to draft 1st

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#58 Alex Mathis
March 09 2014, 02:52PM
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I can't understand why Eakins continous to play Smyth at Centre. Move him to the wing (3rd or 4th line) and let Arcobello, Lander or even Hendricks play instead.

We already did the same mistake last year. I also question Joenssu and Jones, they didn't have much impact the last couple of games. Or how did Eakins say: Accountability is what matters...

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#59 Tim in Kelowna
March 09 2014, 02:57PM
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LT, there are a few things in the first few sections that I disagree with:

- If the Oilers don't end up with a Top 3 pick, I would be horrified if they selected Pastrnak, a 5'9" "skilled" speedster. - If we end up in the 3,4 or 5 spot, it would make no sense to move up to get Ekblad. If we're trading for a quality Dman, why not grab someone in their early 20s? - FLA will finish ahead of the Oilers (Luongo) - If we trade Gagner, we need a player in return rather than picks. MacT can't bank on the teams ability to address weaknesses in free agency.

Based on his last few moves, I'm optimistic about what MacT will be able to accomplish this summer. All we need is a D-corps and a handful of big, mean top 9 forwards...

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#60 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 09 2014, 03:06PM
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Great couple weeks ahead for the Ekblad or bust enthusiasts. Should be able to pad that 29th place lead we hold right now. Only ones in doubt are the Horriblcanes and the Sabres if they want to take a run at 30th.

Doesn't take any skill to belly up to the lotto pick bar and sit there till someone pulls you out of the gutter. Lowe knows a lot about losing. He's running out of rope as far as the blame game goes.

This Eakins experiment will only confirm their incompetence. 4-zip Kings please.

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#61 Dave
March 09 2014, 03:21PM
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Gagner for a second and third?? You nuts LT?? If hemmer got a third and fifth I can't see getting any better for gagner with his over inflated contract

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#62 Ralph
March 09 2014, 03:24PM
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Eakins is on a 4 year contract. How much is he making each year to coach the Oilers? Incentives?

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#63 ThatButthurtOilersFan
March 09 2014, 03:24PM
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The only logical conclusion to why the Oilers and their management have blown for so long is that when Pronger got traded, he must've cursed the City of Edmonton and its sports teams with voodoo magic.

Christ, we suck...

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#64 Taylor Gang
March 09 2014, 03:24PM
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I love how Lowe just says he knows about winning as if it makes a difference. I could say I'm best friends with Nail Yakupov but that doesn't mean it's true.

What achievements does Lowe have under his belt that would suggest he knows anything about "winning"? He has to be the most narcissistic, delusional, bird brained moron in the world of hockey. The only person who knows how to run an organization worse than 6 rings is Mike Milbury, and its close too.

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#65 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 09 2014, 03:25PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

RE LOTTERY

Literallly any team that misses the playoffs could win the # 1 pick in the new system that started last year. The 30 the place team has a 25% chance, 29th has 18.8 %, 28th has 14.2 %, down to the 15th place team (missing the playoffs by one spot) which has a 0.5 % chance of picking first overall. The only pick that is subject to the lottery is # 1 pick. Google NHL Draft Lottery for more info.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO GAGNER

Buffalo finishes last overall, wins the lottery, drafts Ekblad, trades now superfluous Tyler Myers to Edmonton for Gagner. Both players flourish in their new homes.

They said Seth Jones was a lock to go first overall as well. Went 4th just like the previous Adam Larsson did a couple years prior.

D'men don't go first. They rarely meet even conservative expectations. Buffalo will select the elite potential forward first.

Oilers should be interested in that Yakupov for Myers scenario after the draft. If there's a team that has had some success with Russians, it's the Sabres.

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#66 Taylor Gang
March 09 2014, 03:26PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Great couple weeks ahead for the Ekblad or bust enthusiasts. Should be able to pad that 29th place lead we hold right now. Only ones in doubt are the Horriblcanes and the Sabres if they want to take a run at 30th.

Doesn't take any skill to belly up to the lotto pick bar and sit there till someone pulls you out of the gutter. Lowe knows a lot about losing. He's running out of rope as far as the blame game goes.

This Eakins experiment will only confirm their incompetence. 4-zip Kings please.

Trashed and propped, I agree with your points except the last sentence. NEVER cheer for the Oilers to lose.

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#67 Spydyr
March 09 2014, 03:33PM
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samurai003 wrote:

Careful Guys...when someone leaves their current position, eventually it leads to a management promotion, like MacT and Howson.

It's interesting on the basic stats of these three: Howson: ran CBJ into the ground, and now they are in the playoff race. Only been with the Oilers and CBJ. Maybe no other takers for his services except KBlowe.

MacT: As a failed coach with Oilers, and Chicago Wolves(AHL), TSN pickup him for a short stint. Only to leave that post for a promotion - with the Oilers. No other NHL takers except for KBlowe.

KBlowe: No management experience except with the Oilers - he's successfully been golfing in April for 9 (soon to be 10) years since 2000, the year he was given an office as GM. He works on his golf skills more than his management skills.

Lowe must one awesome golfer by now.My question is where do you get golf gloves big enough to fit over all those rings?

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#68 Taylor Gang
March 09 2014, 03:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Lowe must one awesome golfer by now.My question is where do you get golf gloves big enough to fit over all those rings?

Lol he probably keeps them in a bullet proof box in a bunker deep below Rexall Place.

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#69 Sevenseven
March 09 2014, 03:45PM
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Gagners play of late has been a little better, but not close to where it needs to be. That being said, 4.5 million a year is not that horrible of cap hit. Horcoffs cap hit was much worse, and we got a fair trade for him. The only way the oilers should have to take a cap hit is if we get something juicy in return. But trading a vastly underperforming, but veteran nhler for pics is a dumb move for the oilers. I think Sam sees the writing on the wall. He better get his game back together, cause Arco and Lander are making a case for his job. I like watching players play for their job. I wish we had another top 6 rw prospect to push ebs and yak to play better.

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#70 Spydyr
March 09 2014, 03:46PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Lol he probably keeps them in a bullet proof box in a bunker deep below Rexall Place.

So in the same box he keeps the incriminating photos from the 80's?

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#71 Rusty Patenaude
March 09 2014, 03:48PM
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@@Oilanderp

What are you basing that on? He is very close in scoring to Reinhart and bigger. There seems to be very little to differentiate between Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle and Draisiatl. Different packages but they all project well as NHLers. I like Bennett too actually, my only problem with him is he might not be a center in the NHL.

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#72 Taylor Gang
March 09 2014, 03:49PM
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Sevenseven wrote:

Gagners play of late has been a little better, but not close to where it needs to be. That being said, 4.5 million a year is not that horrible of cap hit. Horcoffs cap hit was much worse, and we got a fair trade for him. The only way the oilers should have to take a cap hit is if we get something juicy in return. But trading a vastly underperforming, but veteran nhler for pics is a dumb move for the oilers. I think Sam sees the writing on the wall. He better get his game back together, cause Arco and Lander are making a case for his job. I like watching players play for their job. I wish we had another top 6 rw prospect to push ebs and yak to play better.

Gagner's cap hit is 4.9 million, and Horcoff netted Edmonton virtually nothing in return. The Oilers would never make it in the stock market with their buy high, sell lowe (pun intended).

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#73 Sevenseven
March 09 2014, 03:50PM
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Oh I like the golf talk Katz: Kev, tank the the season so we can hang out on the golf course with tier one fans money quicker. Kev: Done and done.

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#74 Taylor Gang
March 09 2014, 03:50PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So in the same box he keeps the incriminating photos from the 80's?

The ones where Lowe is polishing Gretzky's shoes.

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#75 Sevenseven
March 09 2014, 03:54PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Gagner's cap hit is 4.9 million, and Horcoff netted Edmonton virtually nothing in return. The Oilers would never make it in the stock market with their buy high, sell lowe (pun intended).

You are right, it was pretty much nothing. But we got rid of him and got gordon= a cheaper horcoff.

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#76 Dog Train
March 09 2014, 03:54PM
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Well this game is a mismatch. I was looking forward to seeing Klefbom in action but I guess that day will just have to wait. I say Scrivens plays well, Kings win 2-0.

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#77 Czar
March 09 2014, 04:11PM
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@Taylor Gang

The only person who knows how to run an organization worse than 6 rings is Mike Milbury, and its close too.

Snow has to be given some consideration as well,with Gillis in contention soon.

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#78 Anton
March 09 2014, 04:38PM
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I was hoping that they would start Vasth instead of Scrivens, it is usually a disadvantage to have a goalie play against his former team. To be honest that I am not expecting Scrivens to steal this game for Oilers.

Kings 4 Oilers 0

Fire Eakins! Fire Eakins! Fire Eakins!

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#79 Smokey
March 09 2014, 04:46PM
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The new world of trades where servicable players go for magic beans. Teams with needs can't trade a 40-50 point players to fill a hole.

Being a top dog team really has its advantageous. Being a to pick up a top 9 24 year player like Gagner at a reasonable number (the next couple years his hit won't look bad with 68 mil cap) and only giving up a 2nd and 3rd is crazy good value if you got any cap flexibility.

Seems like lower end teams have to trade whatever talent that they can not sign. The really get little value. Vanek was given away. I don't get how Iggy gets a late first and Vanek gets 2nd rounders.

I wonder if we will ever see another Heatley Hossa type deal?

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#80 I AM KEVIN L.
March 09 2014, 04:50PM
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Our new resident goalie will get us a great win tonight.

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#81 Alsker
March 09 2014, 05:14PM
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With Yak and Gags back together which line does Eakins put them out against? This could be a long night for that trio. Atleast we already know whos fault it will be.

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#82 Shaun
March 09 2014, 05:16PM
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Oilers should draft Leon Draisaitl if he is available when the Oilers pick

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#83 Serious Gord
March 09 2014, 06:07PM
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Naky wrote:

@Serious Gord

The way you keep going on and on about Gagner's contract makes you look a bit silly. Gagner's not that drastically overpaid as a guy who has routinely put up 40-50 points a year on the worst team in the league every year since he joined the Oilers. In that guy's scenario, look up Myers contract and tell me that he's worth the full 5.5m per year right now. Here's a hint: it's not at all. In that situation, the Oilers shouldn't have to eat anything and if they did, the amount would be so little it'd be laughable. For crying out loud, Vancouver managed to trade Roberto's contract without eating hardly anything and that contract's far worse than Gagner's.

Van is on the hook for 15% of his salary (and cap) plus if he retires or gets injured they have to eat whatever is left on his contract. In return they got a failing goalie prospect. And even then it can be argued that Florida gave away too much.

Gagner isn't just about numbers - it's about how he plays without the puck and several other issues. MacT paid far more than he's worth and he's going to have to take similar negative value back in return.

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#84 I AM KEVIN L.
March 09 2014, 06:22PM
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Score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most posters here are negative drama queens and not true Oilers fans. Go the real Captain, Taylor Hall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#85 Butters
March 09 2014, 06:48PM
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Shaun wrote:

Oilers should draft Leon Draisaitl if he is available when the Oilers pick

Eckblad.?..Is that you?

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#86 @Oilanderp
March 09 2014, 07:00PM
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Rusty Patenaude wrote:

What are you basing that on? He is very close in scoring to Reinhart and bigger. There seems to be very little to differentiate between Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle and Draisiatl. Different packages but they all project well as NHLers. I like Bennett too actually, my only problem with him is he might not be a center in the NHL.

There's only one list that I have seen that has him (the German) in the top 3. I have to defer to the 'authorities' on the subject since I can't watch all of the prospects myself. So, with the caveat that I am talking out of my a55 when it comes to the future draft, I bet Draisaitl doesn't go top 3. Still, there's hockey left to play.

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#87 Spydyr
March 09 2014, 07:22PM
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I AM KEVIN L. wrote:

Score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most posters here are negative drama queens and not true Oilers fans. Go the real Captain, Taylor Hall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you mean most posters here are realists and true heartbroken Oiler fans.3-1 LA.

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#88 Gk1980
March 09 2014, 07:30PM
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Soooo....when are they going to start covering the point and not run around like a bunch if idiots? Boys against men or Scrivens against LA. Size is an issue but some smart plays and you could attempt to counter that. Boys look lost out there. They give LA too much respect.

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#89 dougtheslug
March 09 2014, 07:40PM
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Gk1980 wrote:

Soooo....when are they going to start covering the point and not run around like a bunch if idiots? Boys against men or Scrivens against LA. Size is an issue but some smart plays and you could attempt to counter that. Boys look lost out there. They give LA too much respect.

Boys look lost most nights. They don't look much different tonight than they have for the past couple of months.

Only difference is pucks that were bouncing into Scrivens for the past month are bouncing by him tonight.

This is what a half decade of Lowe led rebuilding looks like.

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#90 Seth
March 09 2014, 07:42PM
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Oilers have to play a real team today. LA is an NHL team and they want to win today. They will bring their A game, which does not happen against Oilers much, but LA wants points

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#91 Rod from Viking
March 09 2014, 07:42PM
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Lander and Klefbom in the press box, please send us back to OKC so we can play for a good AHL team.

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#92 Serious Gord
March 09 2014, 07:46PM
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can't view the game tonight - how is scrivens playing against his old team?

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#93 Rod from Viking
March 09 2014, 07:48PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

can't view the game tonight - how is scrivens playing against his old team?

Average and getting absolutely no help or luck.

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#94 dougtheslug
March 09 2014, 07:50PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Lander and Klefbom in the press box, please send us back to OKC so we can play for a good AHL team.

On that note, another 2 points for Arcobello in an OT win over Rochester tonight.

Two callups are required immediately: Arco for Gagner, and Todd Nelson for Eakins

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#95 Rod from Viking
March 09 2014, 07:56PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

On that note, another 2 points for Arcobello in an OT win over Rochester tonight.

Two callups are required immediately: Arco for Gagner, and Todd Nelson for Eakins

And Rockey Thompson for Bucky, bring up there play by play team as well and send the Sportsnet team down there on non-recallable waivers.

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#96 Shifty203
March 09 2014, 08:19PM
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As much as I'd like to see us bring in a bigger second line center, I don't see Gagner moving anywhere this summer. Based on how much they use him, I think management and coaches are fairly happy with him. Unless someone offers to bend over for the oilers in a trade, I think he starts next fall in oilers silks.

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#97 Dave
March 09 2014, 08:29PM
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Another display of what 5 years of rebuilding gets you

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#98 Serious Gord
March 09 2014, 08:38PM
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Shifty203 wrote:

As much as I'd like to see us bring in a bigger second line center, I don't see Gagner moving anywhere this summer. Based on how much they use him, I think management and coaches are fairly happy with him. Unless someone offers to bend over for the oilers in a trade, I think he starts next fall in oilers silks.

If you are right then the oil will move up five spots in the overall standings at the very most.

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Rod from Viking wrote:

And Rockey Thompson for Bucky, bring up there play by play team as well and send the Sportsnet team down there on non-recallable waivers.

I think Quinn called Quick, "Scrivens" about four times tonight.

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dougtheslug wrote:

I think Quinn called Quick, "Scrivens" about four times tonight.

Size 52 blaser, size 1 hat Lou Debrusk only mentioned "Blue Paint" six times tonight, that must be a record.

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