ANOTHER NUGE?

Lowetide
April 02 2014 04:59PM

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For several months now, a conversation involving Sam Reinhart often ends up with the young man being compared to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Is that accurate?

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Sam Reinhart's scouting report does in fact include a lot of things we read about the Nuge. Cerebral, creative, sublime passer. One area that Reinhart gets nicked is skating, although RNH also got that criticism from some early on.

If they are similar players, they should have similar numbers, right?

BOXCARS

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They're actually a really nice match by the boxcars -- this could be two seasons by the same player. They're a match.

SCORING BY DISCIPLINE: EVENS

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HUGE difference at even strength for each player. We know from the earlier look at Reinhart, Bennett and Draisaitl there's not that big a gap between those three players, so the Nuge number appears to be the curio. In the NHL so far, Nuge has scored 59% of his NHL points at evens (Taylor Hall 71% by comparison), but in RNH's final junior season it represented only 44%. 

Reinhart scored 60% of his points this season at even strength.

SCORING BY DISCIPLINE: POWER PLAY

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56% of the Nuge's points in his draft year came on the power play, compared to Reinhart's 38%. That's a significant difference. Nuge's Red Deer team scored 80PP goals, 7 shorthanded goals and 181 at even strength. Reinhart's team scored 62PP goals, 5 shorthanded goals and 168 at even strength. 

RNH was part of 74% of the Rebels PP scoring, 64.5%, so much of the difference appears to have come in team success. All of this is interesting, but without TOI totals I'm not sure how much we can say with authority. It does seem clear based on the splits that the Nuge is a more effective power-play center and Reinhart scored more at even strength. It COULD imply that Reinhart is in fact a better offensive player. I'm not certain we can state that as a fact.

SIZE

They're pretty much the same, their WHL pages say they were both 6.0, and Nuge's 173 pounds trails Reinhart by 10 pounds. I'm not sure if these are absolutely accurate but it's worth noting.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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Reading the situation incorrectly can make a man look like an idiot. We don't know the TOI for either player—at even strength or on the power play—and the differences in their scoring totals may not reflect actual ability. I do recall the Rebels rolling four lines at evens during Nuge's final season in Red Deer. That could explain what we're looking at here.

Having said that, it's a very curious item. It makes sense that you'd like an even-strength scorer over a power-play specialist, and that would favor Reinhart in this case.

Sam Reinhart is an interesting prospect. 


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#51 kale
April 02 2014, 08:11PM
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Oil fan? wrote:

I watch every home game for the Kootenay Ice. I am a die hard oilers fan. We need defense. Having said that, passing on Sam Reinhart would be a huuuuuuge mistake. The kid has the most hockey IQ I have ever seen. Sam's the man!

I watch the ice home games as well and I disagree with your comment...I am sure you would agree that a large part of Reinharts playoffs numbers are because of Descheneau who has been driving the line. Also how many times did we have to watch Reinhart give up the puck in key situations especially last game. He individually, in my opinion, let the hitmen back into the game. He tends to over pass as well, do you not agree?

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#52 Mustangheart
April 02 2014, 08:11PM
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@Serious Gord

I have to agree 100%.

As much as I would like to see Ekblad or Reinhart in an Oilers uniform, I would trade the pick to say Nashville for Weber.

Nashville's new owners want to make $$ and to build a team, plus they need offense. Trade the 1st pick, plus Gagner, and Yak or who-ever if need be, "but get Weber".

Stick with Hall, Eberle, Shultz, Perron, RNH, Petry and of course the Professor, to build around.

We have enough D prospects in Oklahoma ready to join the Oilers if they have a good teacher to guide them.

Loose the assistant coaches for experienced NHL coaches. Eakins needs help in coaching and ,mentoring the players.

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#53 BC BOY
April 02 2014, 08:21PM
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I was heavily leaning for the Oilers to draft Ekblad but the more I watch Maricin, Klefbom and hear about Nurses season I think they will be alright on the backend.

The Oilers desperately need another center that can drive the play. And a 1-2 punch of Nuge and Reinhart, bennet and draisitl really excites me! End of the day the oilers are either getting a stud center or stud d so its a win win!

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#54 Walter Sobchak
April 02 2014, 08:31PM
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I think Yakupov is going to be just fine.

Having said that, I can't figure out why everyone keeps including Yakupov in trade deals??

The kids ankle is broke, the year he had puts his worth at an absolute low.

Stop thinking GM's are stupid!

Stop trading our junk to the Predators for one of the best defensmen in the NHL.

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#55 The Crystal Ball
April 02 2014, 08:45PM
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For those stating 6'1 and eventual 200-205 pounds is too small for a Center. Please look at the Centers I list in the past 15 years. Size is great but I would take the best player available and grab size on the wings. I am not saying Reinhart or Bennett are going to be as good but I wouldn't cross someone off because of an inch or two.

I also think that RNH is developing well and will be a great player one day. Can't teach his intelligence and he has great snapshot. Speaking of a guy with intelligence and a great shot.........

Sakic (5'11) Yzerman (6') Forsberg (6') Datsyuk (5'11) Crosby (5'11) Toews (6'2) Kane (5'10) Sedin (6'1) B Richards (5'11) Giroux (5'11) St. Louis (5'8) Duchene (5'11)

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#56 Will
April 02 2014, 08:52PM
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So, in the list of upcoming free agents that could make the team better, and there are certainly a few, which every other team in the league is going to look at signing, including the ones they currently play for, a couple of names keep popping up: Legwand and Stasny could be great additions to help balance out our top 6 and improve our centre depth issues. Markov, Nikitin both sound like they will command big overpays if they even actually hit the free agent market, but likely will not be the ultimate D solution the fans are clamoring for. And then there are a few wingers who's names get mentioned as maybe ways to improve our toughness and two way play? Names like Wingles and Downie. But the one name no one is saying, a name that is kind of ironic, is Heatly.

The guy is 33, a giant, kind of a dick, and is coming off a huge money contract with low, low production. This guy is going to come at such a value. Does anyone out there see the Oilers making a pitch for this guy?

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#57 Kevin
April 02 2014, 08:52PM
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@The Crystal Ball

You need size with one of your top 2 centres

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#58 Oilerboy1112
April 02 2014, 08:53PM
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When RNH gets an assist or a goal in Rexall do people boo him or are my ears messed up?

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#59 kale
April 02 2014, 08:55PM
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Oilerboy1112 wrote:

When RNH gets an assist or a goal in Rexall do people boo him or are my ears messed up?

Your ears are messed up, they are saying Nugeeeeeeeeee

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#60 nuge2nail
April 02 2014, 08:59PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Hall Hopkins Eberle

Perron Reinhart Yakupov

Markhov Nikitin

Shultz Marincin

Ference Petry

Klefbom

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#61 The Crystal Ball
April 02 2014, 09:00PM
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Kevin wrote:

You need size with one of your top 2 centres

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2000- Present

I would love to have a big Center, but one with skill. Eric Lindros was traded for a half dozen guys and little known apter Forsberg became the best player. Jason Bonsignore had size too.

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#62 seanjohn667
April 02 2014, 09:04PM
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we are picking no later than 4th. we are either getting a top pairing, horse D or a 1 or 2C. Shouldn't go wrong. Just have to wait. ugh

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#63 Kevin
April 02 2014, 09:22PM
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@The Crystal Ball

Toews is a big centre. I don't know who those other teams are have they won a cup lately?

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#64 The Crystal Ball
April 02 2014, 09:35PM
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Kevin wrote:

Toews is a big centre. I don't know who those other teams are have they won a cup lately?

So Toews at 6'2 - 207 is big but 6'1 205 is Small?

I forgot to mention the Bruins when they won as you didn't watch hockey past 5 years ago. They won with Bergeron listed at the time as 6'2 195 and krecji 6' 188.

Also the Red Wings took the Blackhawks to game 7 OT last year. They play in the city of Detroit.

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#65 Joel
April 02 2014, 09:37PM
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6 ' 2 210 lbs seems like size to me.

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#66 Kevin
April 02 2014, 09:39PM
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@The Crystal Ball

Go ask opposing players about Toews and Bergeron .

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#67 The Crystal Ball
April 02 2014, 09:50PM
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Kevin wrote:

Go ask opposing players about Toews and Bergeron .

I'm sure they would say great players that prove you don't need to be 6'4 to be a great Center. Same coaches would say the same things about Forsberg, Datsuyk, Crosby, Etc......

I am just worried the Oilers take a guy cause he is 6'4 and don't take a guy with skill that plays very competitive hockey.

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#68 Oilers89
April 02 2014, 10:00PM
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I apologize if someone has mentioned this but: the problem isn't exactly size on this team as much as it is the players being young enough that they don't have their man strength yet. Passing on Reinhart just because he isn't huge is a mistake. If he does top out at Hall's size he shouldn't have a problem battling against anyone. If we want size that is going to be useful, then I suggest trading for it because even a kid of Draisaitl's size is not going to be stronger than an NHL veteran. If we have to wait for a player to fill out I would prefer that it is the better player.

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#69 admiralmark
April 02 2014, 10:12PM
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I would not be the least bit upset with Reinhart, Draistl or Bennet as the Oilers pick this year. This team needs a 2C almost as much as D. I almost think more because of whats already in the pipeline.

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#70 The Last Big Bear
April 02 2014, 11:08PM
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When I think to myself "What do the Oilers really need to get to the next level?", the immediate answer is always "Another 18 year old scoring forward who's closest comparable is RNH."

I mean, every time I see this team, I think that the basic ingredients are right, they just need more of the same.

Forget trading the pick for a veteran first pairing defenceman. The Oilers wont be able to take the next step until they have more teenage toe-draggers.

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#71 Oiler Al
April 02 2014, 11:12PM
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Will wrote:

So, in the list of upcoming free agents that could make the team better, and there are certainly a few, which every other team in the league is going to look at signing, including the ones they currently play for, a couple of names keep popping up: Legwand and Stasny could be great additions to help balance out our top 6 and improve our centre depth issues. Markov, Nikitin both sound like they will command big overpays if they even actually hit the free agent market, but likely will not be the ultimate D solution the fans are clamoring for. And then there are a few wingers who's names get mentioned as maybe ways to improve our toughness and two way play? Names like Wingles and Downie. But the one name no one is saying, a name that is kind of ironic, is Heatly.

The guy is 33, a giant, kind of a dick, and is coming off a huge money contract with low, low production. This guy is going to come at such a value. Does anyone out there see the Oilers making a pitch for this guy?

You said it yourself, the guy is a dick, dont need another one, have one behind the bench already.

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#72 Oiler Al
April 02 2014, 11:12PM
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Will wrote:

So, in the list of upcoming free agents that could make the team better, and there are certainly a few, which every other team in the league is going to look at signing, including the ones they currently play for, a couple of names keep popping up: Legwand and Stasny could be great additions to help balance out our top 6 and improve our centre depth issues. Markov, Nikitin both sound like they will command big overpays if they even actually hit the free agent market, but likely will not be the ultimate D solution the fans are clamoring for. And then there are a few wingers who's names get mentioned as maybe ways to improve our toughness and two way play? Names like Wingles and Downie. But the one name no one is saying, a name that is kind of ironic, is Heatly.

The guy is 33, a giant, kind of a dick, and is coming off a huge money contract with low, low production. This guy is going to come at such a value. Does anyone out there see the Oilers making a pitch for this guy?

You said it yourself, the guy is a dick, dont need another one, have one behind the bench already.

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#73 The Last Big Bear
April 02 2014, 11:24PM
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admiralmark wrote:

I would not be the least bit upset with Reinhart, Draistl or Bennet as the Oilers pick this year. This team needs a 2C almost as much as D. I almost think more because of whats already in the pipeline.

For 2C options, who are upcoming UFAs, and 31 or younger, the list includes Paul Stastny, Steve Ott, Mikhail Grabovski, Derek Roy, etc.

How many first pairing defencemen under the age of 35 are available as UFAs? And I don't mean first pairing in Edmonton, I mean first pairing on their current team...

I disagree 100% that the Oilers, who have the single worst defence in the entire NHL, need a 2nd line centre more than they need defence. But even if they did, its much easier to acquire a 2nd line centre than it is to acquire an elite defenceman.

But in either case, the Oilers should not be looking to draft that player, the franchise can't afford to wait 5 more years to address their glaring needs.

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#74 hagargt
April 02 2014, 11:43PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

For 2C options, who are upcoming UFAs, and 31 or younger, the list includes Paul Stastny, Steve Ott, Mikhail Grabovski, Derek Roy, etc.

How many first pairing defencemen under the age of 35 are available as UFAs? And I don't mean first pairing in Edmonton, I mean first pairing on their current team...

I disagree 100% that the Oilers, who have the single worst defence in the entire NHL, need a 2nd line centre more than they need defence. But even if they did, its much easier to acquire a 2nd line centre than it is to acquire an elite defenceman.

But in either case, the Oilers should not be looking to draft that player, the franchise can't afford to wait 5 more years to address their glaring needs.

I can only prop you once for two good points. It seems to be a 50/50 mix or worse on the favor to trade picks, but like you said, and others before you, this HAS to end!! The people that think we can draft our way into a cup are off point. Can you imagine the salary cap hit having ebs, hall, nuge, yak, eckblad, and mcdavid when it all finally "clicks"?? Give your heads a shake.. start making some trades that require balls, or just leave and make way for people that will.

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#75 hagargt
April 03 2014, 12:09AM
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Oh, and of course start by firing lowe the coward. It will go a long way to cure the disease. Lots of wins are available bringing in some experienced hockey minds. The team actually has some potential as we all see when they are trying.

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#76 billythebullet
April 03 2014, 04:47AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Hall Hopkins Eberle

Perron Reinhart Yakupov

Markhov Nikitin

Shultz Marincin

Ference Petry

Klefbom

What? Where the hell is shea weber in all this?

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#77 pelhem grenville
April 03 2014, 04:50AM
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...all I care about is that we get a centre...someone else can wait for ekblad to develop...my biggest fear is that if it's gonna be another draft day like Monahan to Calgary ahead us? I'm gonna spit...

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#78 HardBoiledOil
April 03 2014, 05:44AM
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^no worries, if we don't take Ekblad, and the Sabres have been passing wind already about taking Ekblad 1st overall (if they are hinting for other teams to cough up an extra pick to switch with them for 1st overall, i hope the Oilers PASS!!), then we'll get a good center, either Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl.

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#79 GCW
April 03 2014, 06:23AM
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The answer may be draft Reinhardt and trade RNH for defensive help or a bigger two way centre.

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#80 Stack Pad Save
April 03 2014, 08:16AM
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GCW wrote:

The answer may be draft Reinhardt and trade RNH for defensive help or a bigger two way centre.

So you plan on rebuilding again? You liked the last 3 years with a rookie top line center?

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#81 revingev
April 03 2014, 08:24AM
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Don't see where some of you can feel RNH is not a able 1st line centre. Still a top 15 1st line center in this league IMO right now and probably is playing an 2nd line centre would be top 3.

RNH had a string of a few bad defensive lapses but on this team even the great players will fall apart due to confidence, systems breakdowns etc..

RNH and Hall are the least of this team's worries. Having Sam Reinhart as a 2nd line centre will free up space for RNH on that first line. Currently all the best checking forwards and/or defence line up against RNH on most occasions so no wonder. A guy like Malkin and/or Crosby get that chore split between the two of them. That is why you need two elite center's to play the top 2 lines.

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#82 Zangetsu
April 03 2014, 08:46AM
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Mustangheart wrote:

I have to agree 100%.

As much as I would like to see Ekblad or Reinhart in an Oilers uniform, I would trade the pick to say Nashville for Weber.

Nashville's new owners want to make $$ and to build a team, plus they need offense. Trade the 1st pick, plus Gagner, and Yak or who-ever if need be, "but get Weber".

Stick with Hall, Eberle, Shultz, Perron, RNH, Petry and of course the Professor, to build around.

We have enough D prospects in Oklahoma ready to join the Oilers if they have a good teacher to guide them.

Loose the assistant coaches for experienced NHL coaches. Eakins needs help in coaching and ,mentoring the players.

I don't get the oilers fans hard on for weber. If we are going swoon over players, why not doughty, subban, karlson, petriangelo,ect. Weber is as unlikely to leave nashville in his prime as any of the others. Not to mention weber's timeline doesn't translate well to ours. We are still probably at least three years away. So then he is 31. Are we betting he is the rare kind who plays past 40, or do we want to lose a centrepiece on defence six years after we are competitive. If we are building with young guys, we have to do that. Sure we need vets to guide them, and most of them so far have been atrocious, but I'm not walking through the desert again in ten years. This has got to be a long lasting rebuild like detoit's.

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#83 Stack Pad Save
April 03 2014, 08:52AM
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Oilers have to upgrade their coaches

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#84 Stack Pad Save
April 03 2014, 08:58AM
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In my NSHO, the Oilers have some serious problems. They need a legit 2nd line center, they need a legit top pairing Dman and they need a 3rd line that can push Hendricks and Gordon to the 4th line.

This is what the Oiler should do this offseason if all could be done and things go perfect for them…

Hall – RNH – Eberle

Perron – Couturier ** - Vrbata (UFA)

Winnik (UFA)– Ott (UFA)– King *

Hendricks – Gordon – Gazdik

Markov (UFA) – Schultz

Marincin – Petry/Klefbomb

Ference – Nurse/Ekblad (take who ever plays best out of camp send the other back to Jr.)

Vrbata – currently costs 3 mil, will have to pay 4 mil to get

Ott – currently costs 3 mil, will have to pay 4.5 mil to get

Winnik – currently costs 1.8 mil and will have to pay 2.5 mil to get

Markov – currently gets 5.75 and will have to pay 6.5 mil 2 years

Costs 17.5 million in UFA

Oilers have 27 million in cap space

Leaves 10 million to resign Justin Schultz and whatever AHL needs you have like Pitlick, Lander, etc.

*Dwight King from LA for Gagner and 3rd round pick **Yakupov and either Petry/Klefbomb to Philly for Couturier

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#85 psale63
April 03 2014, 09:47AM
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The top four players in the draft this year look great, I don't think the Oilers can really go 'wrong' with any of them. However, if they end up choosing a center I hope they choose a player who goes to the hard areas to score. We have to many perimeter players who won't drive hard to the net and score from high traffic areas. If this means drafting a player who gives up an inch or two and maybe a few pounds then so be it!

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#86 Gored 1970
April 03 2014, 10:03AM
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The discussion of Ekblad or Reinhart is moot as Buffalo took two huge D in the first round last year so chances are they'll focus on a forward this year. If Buffalo has the 1st overall I see them trading it to Florida for 3rd overall and taking either Reinhart or Bennett, whoever is still available. I've always thought you draft forwards and trade for defence since D take longer to develop but Ekblad had all the tools to be a dominant force like Weber, Pronger and Chara.

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#87 Casey
April 03 2014, 10:34AM
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What is with the weber stuff? We need defense? Dosen't mean it is best to go for the best defensemen. The cost of Weber would be way too much. It is way better go for someone like Ekman-Larson,Victor Hedman, Matt Carle, Dan Hamuis, Bogosian, Edler, and so on. These guys are way cheaper than Weber but still help out our defense

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#88 Dirx
April 03 2014, 10:44AM
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If Ekblad is available you've gotta take him. I like Reinhart and Drasitl but making a trade for a #1 D man with many years left in him is going to be very costly. With the assets the organization has now, trading for a 2nd line center is much more realistic than trading for a #1 D. If we want an established #1 D man, its going to cost an arm and a leg and maybe more.

Drafting Ekblad allows you to keep most the core in tact and gives you room to trade for a 2C without giving up too much. Sure he wont be a factor for a couple years but lets be honest, do you actually see this team making the playoffs in 1/2 years? Regardless of what we want to see (Playoffs) we are going to have to sit and be patient again while the 6 ring circus keeps doing what they are doing because sadly, I don't see Katz pulling the trigger and making changes in upper management.

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#89 Total Points
April 03 2014, 11:47AM
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We should quit speculating about who pick with our first rounder and figure out who to trade it for.

We need NHL players now

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#90 David
April 03 2014, 11:51AM
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What about trying to pry OEL out of Phoenix? I think that is a lot more probable than trying to get Weber out of Nashville.

I have to agree with those saying that to trade the pick for a top Defenceman is the best choice. The team needs to start winning soon. If it doesn't start winning and changing the culture it will be even more difficult to attract free agents. UFA's already don't want to go to Edmonton.

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#91 Rick
April 03 2014, 12:27PM
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Forget Ekblad waiting for Noah Hanifin

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#92 oilerman53
April 03 2014, 12:36PM
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Klefbom and Marancin are coming along very very nicely. There may not be a need to go for a home run type of deal in the offseason for a defenseman. I think they should pick a center like Draisaitl or Reinhart and use UFA's to fill some holes on defense. Also a trade to the Leafs for Clarkson if they agree to retain part of his salary would be an option.

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#93 Lochenzo
April 03 2014, 01:16PM
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The Crystal Ball wrote:

For those stating 6'1 and eventual 200-205 pounds is too small for a Center. Please look at the Centers I list in the past 15 years. Size is great but I would take the best player available and grab size on the wings. I am not saying Reinhart or Bennett are going to be as good but I wouldn't cross someone off because of an inch or two.

I also think that RNH is developing well and will be a great player one day. Can't teach his intelligence and he has great snapshot. Speaking of a guy with intelligence and a great shot.........

Sakic (5'11) Yzerman (6') Forsberg (6') Datsyuk (5'11) Crosby (5'11) Toews (6'2) Kane (5'10) Sedin (6'1) B Richards (5'11) Giroux (5'11) St. Louis (5'8) Duchene (5'11)

Size helps, but you're completely accurate on this. Datsyuk is perhaps the best I've seen for using your balance and lower body strength to win battles along the boards against bigger defencemen. Forsberg was the best at this back in the late 90's.

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#94 GCW
April 03 2014, 01:28PM
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The Crystal Ball wrote:

Signed,

The Colorado Avalanche, New Jersey Devils, Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks

2000- Present

I would love to have a big Center, but one with skill. Eric Lindros was traded for a half dozen guys and little known apter Forsberg became the best player. Jason Bonsignore had size too.

Agreed, size it's not necessarily the requirement, but some grit is. That's why passing on Grabovski was a huge mistake. That also may be why Bennett could be a better fit. Same size but much more hate in his play.

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#95 GCW
April 03 2014, 01:33PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

So you plan on rebuilding again? You liked the last 3 years with a rookie top line center?

no, the learning curve for forwards is much shorter than for defenders. If Nuge gets the team Oliver Ekman-Larsen then it's a much better team with OEL and Reinhardt than Nuge and Reinhardt.

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#96 BLAKPOO
April 03 2014, 03:01PM
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If anyone here thinks the pick in this draft should be decided by our current situation, I'm glad you're not a GM.

The draft is about the FUTURE. Expecting any young player to make a huge impact on this team immediately is, and has been, the Oilers' biggest problem.

You take the BPA. If it suits your needs for the future based on your current stock of prospects, awesome. If you have a ton of top-end defensive prospects in the system and no good centres, is Ekblad the best choice? Probably not. Unless he's just too dominant at his position to pass up. But you never make that decision because you need a 1D or 2D on your NHL club. That's ridiculous.

Our problem is that the team has been sh!t for so long that we've had to throw our prospects to the wolves. If we ever want to break that cycle, the first thing we need to do is realize that whoever we pick in the draft isn't going to help us win next year. You draft kids that will help you win in 3 years, and beyond.

MacT has to build us a winner with the tools at hand. Tambo thought he could do it with draft picks alone, and we can all see how that's turned out.

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#97 Quicksilver ballet
April 03 2014, 04:51PM
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What part of "rebuild from within" do you trade the pick for help now people, not understand?

There are no quick fixes available to this B market. Stay the course and do whatever is within common sense reach to get both Ekblad and Bennett/Draisitl. Wash rinse repeat till there's some chemistry developing here. Maybe McDavid ends up being the silver bullet and lead these kids.

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#98 Zamboni Driver
April 03 2014, 04:51PM
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@The Crystal Ball

And if you are implying RNH is going to be anywhere near any of those guys, you've lost your mind. What, exactly is RNH's excuse for this train wreck of a year?

Good lord people.

SAKIC AND YZERMAN?!

DATSYUK?

Please PLEASE pull over until the 'ludes wear off.

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#99 John Kirsch-Brooklyn
April 03 2014, 06:42PM
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No disrespect to Hopkins but the last thing we need is another Hopkins- honestly not sure we even need him. I don't care about "sublime passing" I want a dominate center(re) that can bury it. Oil have so many needs, not sure where to begin.

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#100 Stack Pad Save
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

And if you are implying RNH is going to be anywhere near any of those guys, you've lost your mind. What, exactly is RNH's excuse for this train wreck of a year?

Good lord people.

SAKIC AND YZERMAN?!

DATSYUK?

Please PLEASE pull over until the 'ludes wear off.

What issue do you have with RNH? He is in his 3rd year, he is only 20 years old. He is showing progression in all aspects of his game. Getzlaf wasn't dominating the NHL until he was 22 years old. Datsyk was 28 when he started dominating the NHL. Yzerman was 21 when he started to dominate the NHL. Joe Sackic didn't have a year until he was positive +/- until he was 22. Joe Thornton was 24 when he got his first 100 point season.

Give the Nuge another couple of years before you right him off. He is showing growth in multiple aspects of his game, give him another year to put it all together and see if it happens by the time he is 22. 2 years still left until he should be a dominate force in the NHL.

The problem the Oilers have and fans as well, is that they expect that a bunch of teenagers should be dominating the NHL, that just doesn't happen.

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