SCORCHED EARTH

Lowetide
April 20 2014 06:37AM

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I believe this sentiment drives much of the discontent in Oilers Nation these days. Why can't we have nice things? Colorado sucked for LESS time and are in the playoffs looking like the Oilers team we were promised!!!! What the hell? Where are the answers? After the break.

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Steve Tambellini authored a devastating period in Oilers history and left a roster filled with forgettable. Tambellini never met an NHL player he couldn't rid himself of, he was quite impressive at the discipline.

  • Sheldon Souray said a few things? OFF to Chocolate City with him!!!
  • Dustin Penner has size, but won't use it? Kick him down the road for a pick that might turn out years from now.
  • His ‘stand and deliver’ July 1st 2011 series of transactions (bought out Souray, signs Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk, Eric Belanger, Corey Potter and trades for Andy Sutton) serves as his nadir.

It's easy to forget just how many useful people were sent away after Steve Tambellini arrived in late summer 2008.

  • Erik Cole, Edmonton gets Patrick O'Sullivan
  • Kyle Brodziak, Edmonton gets two picks (Bigos and Roy). Minnesota also gets a late pick they turn into Darcy Kuemper—who played for them last night.
  • Denis Grebeshkov.  Edmonton gets the pick that turned into Curtis Hamilton.
  • Lubomir Visnovsky. Edmonton gets Ryan Whitney and the Brandon Davidson pick.
  • Steve Staios. Edmonton gets Aaron Johnson and the pick that turns into Travis Ewanyk.
  • Riley Nash. Edmonton gets the Martin Marincin pick.
  • Dustin Penner. Edmonton acquires Colten Teubert and the Oscar Klefbom pick.
  • Andrew Cogliano. Edmonton acquires the Marco Roy pick.
  • Tom Gilbert. Edmonton acquires Nick Schultz.
  • Tobias Rieder. Edmonton acquires Kale Kessy.

RECOVERY

When Craig MacTavish took over this hockey team, they were very weak up the middle. Improvements last summer (Boyd Gordon, Andrew Ference) added to mid-season fixes (Scrivens, Fasth) have Edmonton looking a little better at C, D and G.

There's a long way to go.

However, the scorched earth policy—which involved things like sending a capable defenseman to the minors as punishment for a moment of frustration—delivered an empty cupboard and made certain the early years of Taylor Hall were bleak. 

Steve Tambellini dealt Dustin Penner at the 2010-11 deadline, and the Oilers did not replace him until summer 2013 (David Perron).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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When looking at a picture, it's vital to identify the real tragedy.

I understand the frustration that Michael Parkatti and all Oiler fans have today. This is draining, especially when Colorado makes it look so easy. But if you look at where they were in 2010 (they had 95 points and made the playoffs) and since then (seasons of 68, 88, lockout 39 and now 112 points), it doesn't compare with the scorched earth Oilers.

The one season that showed promise (2011-12 under Renney) Tambellini fired the coach and brought back Lennart Petrell. !!!!!!.

I know this is a difficult period, but if we're laying blame here let's have the conversation. It's hard to rebuild an empire from rubble overnight.

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#1 the tikk
April 20 2014, 07:09AM
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Ugh. In hindsight...if only he had dithered more.

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#2 50 in 39
April 20 2014, 07:09AM
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Scorched earth indeed. It would be nice to at least get to a point where the team is filled with players that unquestionably belong in the NHL.

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#3 slopitch
April 20 2014, 07:17AM
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Worth noting that MacT dumped Horcoff, Hemsky and Smyth. I include Smytty to make a point. I do realize he retired and it is likely for the best.

Colorado picked up Eric Johnson and didn't waste their 2nd round bullets. Stasny and ROR are quality.

I think the oilers will turn the corner once they find that top pairing D. MacT is doing some good things and reinforcements are on route.

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#4 non descript
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it is almost pointless to get frustrated comparing the oilers to colorado. the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to taylor hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one. the avalanche might be the best young team in hockey and the oilers are barely a team. the thing to get frustrated about as an oiler fan is that after hall there is very little. RNH may turn into a two way 80-90 point pivot and he may turn out to be pierre marc bouchard. eberle is a one dimensional complimentary scorer who doesn't really help you win. don't think he ever made the playoffs in regina. perron is a decent scoring option but doesn't really play defense well. yakupov? high bust potential and at the very least a project. there is nothing else at forward and nothing on the way. years of drafting at the top of every round has produced nothing. watching nathan mackinnon be better than any oiler doesn't bother me, but watching boone jenner be a good player in Columbus drives me nuts with david musil plodding around the ahl. this is on the oiler pro and amateur scouting departments, management and possibly ownership. they have done and are doing a bad job. it can be spun however anyone likes, but there is reality to deal with and that is they are no where close to being a competitive nhl team.

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#5 The Beaker
April 20 2014, 07:30AM
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@non descript

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

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#6 dougtheslug
April 20 2014, 07:33AM
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It's a bit of a misdirection play to lay this all at the feet of Tambo - after all, he was a KLowe hire and every move he made was being run past the boss.

Even though you can argue that the team didn't deliberately tank, in the sense that they deliberately threw games, there is no doubt in my mind that they were deliberately built to tank.

The "masterplan",I believe, was to acquire elite players, just like back in the good old days. To do this the Oiler brains figured all they needed to do was finish last for a few seasons, draft what they thought was the equivalent of Messier (Hall), Gretzky(RNH), Anderson(Yak), and Coffey (sign J. Schulz), and presto! Instant dynasty.

I suspect MacT even believed he was bringing in a young Glen Sather (Eakins) to mentor the youngsters into the champions they all knew they would become.

I think that was the plan. In its entirety.

They never factored in, and I suspect, weren't aware, that the world had moved on. That building a winner in the modern NHL was not the same as it had been back in the good old days, when Bucky and MacT and Smitty and KLowe himself were ripping it up and make believing it was all about their skill and brilliance, instead of what it was - being in the right place at the right time, surrounded by a never-to-be-duplicated group of future Hall of Famers. They never realized that star players today need a certain type of supporting cast to succeed. They never factored in the toxic and corrosive effect that relentless losing has on player development.

The tragedy is there is no Plan B. So get used to more losing, more trying of the same thing over and over and getting the same results. Because the guys who came up with this "blueprint for success" are still in charge.

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#7 JitanPren
April 20 2014, 07:38AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

Lol. Same.

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#8 Athabascajim
April 20 2014, 07:38AM
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Interesting how you praise MacT for the Gordon signing and knock Tambo for Belanger. Check out Belangers yr 1 stats with the Oil. Gordon had a few more points (mostly in the first two weeks) but had a lower face off %. Not much to choose from. I certainly don't put this signing on the plus side of MacT's ledger yet!

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#9 Costanza
April 20 2014, 07:40AM
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"Gordan and ference improvements..." Horcoff was a 3. Replaced him with Gordon who's a 4.

Ference is a 5D

You were probably apart of the playoff belief. At the start of the year

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#10 dougtheslug
April 20 2014, 07:44AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

Foolish of you to stop reading and start posting. The complete sentence was " ...the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to Taylor Hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one."

Taylor Hall AND the 2 question marks (RNH and Yak) vs MacKinnon, O'Reilly, Landeskog AND Matt Duchene who isn't even playing due to injury. It isn't even close.

Equally accurate was the criticism of the Oilers lacking a scouting department and whiffing on useful picks in the second and later rounds.

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#11 non descript
April 20 2014, 07:46AM
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JitanPren wrote:

Lol. Same.

one team just finished third overall based largely on the play of its young players and one team looks like they don't belong on the same ice as other nhl teams a lot of nights. yup, what i wrote was foolishness. believe me, i hope i am wrong, just a realist.

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#12 The Real Scuba Steve
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dougtheslug wrote:

It's a bit of a misdirection play to lay this all at the feet of Tambo - after all, he was a KLowe hire and every move he made was being run past the boss.

Even though you can argue that the team didn't deliberately tank, in the sense that they deliberately threw games, there is no doubt in my mind that they were deliberately built to tank.

The "masterplan",I believe, was to acquire elite players, just like back in the good old days. To do this the Oiler brains figured all they needed to do was finish last for a few seasons, draft what they thought was the equivalent of Messier (Hall), Gretzky(RNH), Anderson(Yak), and Coffey (sign J. Schulz), and presto! Instant dynasty.

I suspect MacT even believed he was bringing in a young Glen Sather (Eakins) to mentor the youngsters into the champions they all knew they would become.

I think that was the plan. In its entirety.

They never factored in, and I suspect, weren't aware, that the world had moved on. That building a winner in the modern NHL was not the same as it had been back in the good old days, when Bucky and MacT and Smitty and KLowe himself were ripping it up and make believing it was all about their skill and brilliance, instead of what it was - being in the right place at the right time, surrounded by a never-to-be-duplicated group of future Hall of Famers. They never realized that star players today need a certain type of supporting cast to succeed. They never factored in the toxic and corrosive effect that relentless losing has on player development.

The tragedy is there is no Plan B. So get used to more losing, more trying of the same thing over and over and getting the same results. Because the guys who came up with this "blueprint for success" are still in charge.

That's why The Old Boys Club needs to be turfed.

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#13 Fresh Mess
April 20 2014, 07:55AM
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Weren't you excitedly proclaiming at that time that it was "the summer of Steve" LT?

Tambellini executed the plan he crafted with Katz and Lowe.

and even after MacT was canned as coach, he remained on the Oiler payroll as a consultant while he worked at TSN. MacLooselips has had input in designing this team all along.

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#14 pelhem grenville
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...watching the playoffs requires an ability to 'let go' of pent up frustrations...I've stopped thinking of the what ifs and started to just appreciate the nature of well built well coached hockey teams...its no longer about anything oiler to me...pretty much done

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#15 rokwilder
April 20 2014, 08:07AM
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tobias rieder for kale kessy. disappointing. rieder is 5'11 and 190 lbs. not overly big, but plays a strong/up tempo game. reminds me of brad marchand but less of the after the whistle stuff.

this is one of the most frustrating trades tambo made during his tenure.

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#16 Johnny
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@The Beaker

I didn't stop reading, I just assumed he meant Nathan MacKinnon is superior to Taylor Hall, which he is/will be. And that is fine, but disappointing. Not all number ones are created equal. Too bad having 3 in a row does not provide us with a generational. As for the rest of his post, agreed. The cupboards are bare, and if you believe that help is on the way, you are a fool and continue to drink the Koop-aid. Mact - "we are going to get another piece this year.." . What is every other team going to do??!?? They all draft hockey players. Unfortunately other teams do it better than us! Our failed second rounders(Lander, Pitlick,Musil) are our undoing. Grooming Pitlick for 5 years to be a fourth line energy guy isn't the same as adding ROR to your team. Expect very little improvement next year.

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#17 Fresh Mess
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unrelated news:

It seems TSN is extending their middle finger towards Rogers by going on a spending spree and locking up their top on air hockey people. Dregher and BobMac are locked in. TSN has signed Ray Ferraro to a very long term contract with a massive raise in dollars.

There are concerns in the industry that Rogers is going to struggle to find top TV people to fill their huge hockey schedule. On and off air, TSN is retaining non-freelance staff. It seems Rogers is going all in with Kipreos and Hughson.

There are whispers that Paul Romanuk may be willing to come back from England for the right deal. Rogers is going to need to woo Cuthbert and probably find some emerging talent from regional brodcasts.

I would guess Rogers will be looking to lock in Friedman as well.

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#18 dw
April 20 2014, 08:16AM
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@dougtheslug

People forget about the supporting cast those great Oiler teams had. Even though we had Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, etc. it wasn't like we had a cakewalk to the cup. We don't win the cup without guys like Huddy, Krushylneski (sp), MacTavish, Fogolin, etc. I don't think the game has changed as much as you think in that respect.

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#19 the tikk
April 20 2014, 08:20AM
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@Fresh Mess

"Rogers is going to need to woo Cuthbert and probably find some emerging talent from regional brodcasts."

TSN locked up Cuthbert for six years last week.

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#20 Fresh Mess
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Athabascajim wrote:

Interesting how you praise MacT for the Gordon signing and knock Tambo for Belanger. Check out Belangers yr 1 stats with the Oil. Gordon had a few more points (mostly in the first two weeks) but had a lower face off %. Not much to choose from. I certainly don't put this signing on the plus side of MacT's ledger yet!

LT was ecstatic when the Belanger/Eager signings happened.

#16 Johnny gets it. He obviously isn't a Belieber.

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#21 Fresh Mess
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the tikk wrote:

"Rogers is going to need to woo Cuthbert and probably find some emerging talent from regional brodcasts."

TSN locked up Cuthbert for six years last week.

thanks. I was in in LA/Vegas last week discussing it with an industry person and that was unknown at the time. So TSN locks up another important asset out of spite. Very interesting. Few were expecting this.

Apparently they are giving out raises that the talent can't turn down.

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#22 ColourMeImpressed
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Fresh Mess wrote:

thanks. I was in in LA/Vegas last week discussing it with an industry person and that was unknown at the time. So TSN locks up another important asset out of spite. Very interesting. Few were expecting this.

Apparently they are giving out raises that the talent can't turn down.

With no NHL contract, TSN now has money to burn and needs to spend it on something.

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#23 BC BOY
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Reading this article makes me despise Kevin Lowe and Darryl Katz. How could they not see the moves Tambellini was making? If either of those two were somewhat competent they would of fired Tambellini a long before it got to that point!!!! and who knows maybe the oilers would of been competitive this year.

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#24 Lofty
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non descript wrote:

it is almost pointless to get frustrated comparing the oilers to colorado. the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to taylor hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one. the avalanche might be the best young team in hockey and the oilers are barely a team. the thing to get frustrated about as an oiler fan is that after hall there is very little. RNH may turn into a two way 80-90 point pivot and he may turn out to be pierre marc bouchard. eberle is a one dimensional complimentary scorer who doesn't really help you win. don't think he ever made the playoffs in regina. perron is a decent scoring option but doesn't really play defense well. yakupov? high bust potential and at the very least a project. there is nothing else at forward and nothing on the way. years of drafting at the top of every round has produced nothing. watching nathan mackinnon be better than any oiler doesn't bother me, but watching boone jenner be a good player in Columbus drives me nuts with david musil plodding around the ahl. this is on the oiler pro and amateur scouting departments, management and possibly ownership. they have done and are doing a bad job. it can be spun however anyone likes, but there is reality to deal with and that is they are no where close to being a competitive nhl team.

I would also point out that they brought in a vocal coach with passion. Not a statue that's drier than melba toast.

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#25 tileguy
April 20 2014, 09:04AM
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@dougtheslug

As usual you are spot on with your comments, observations and theories Doug. You make more sense than most including the writers. Please don't fade away like DSF, a voice of reason is so appreciated. "All hat and no cattle"

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#26 Time Travelling Sean
April 20 2014, 09:11AM
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What's wrong with Petrell? I liked him a lot.

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#27 merfer
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Colorado is going to be a force for the next ten years. Does anyone think our talent even comes close to theirs? If we want to go to a Stanley Cup final we will have to get through Colorado. My opinion is we need to draft Bennett and hope he turns into the Gilmore type player they say he will. We will need as many super competive players as we can get, full of piss and vinagar, if we ever want to get through Colorado. That Mackinnon will be as good as Sid, and he makes the rest of his linemates so much better. Very scary team.

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#28 Sean17
April 20 2014, 09:18AM
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Nobody in the yak draft year is setting the world on fire...

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#29 Total Points
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non descript wrote:

it is almost pointless to get frustrated comparing the oilers to colorado. the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to taylor hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one. the avalanche might be the best young team in hockey and the oilers are barely a team. the thing to get frustrated about as an oiler fan is that after hall there is very little. RNH may turn into a two way 80-90 point pivot and he may turn out to be pierre marc bouchard. eberle is a one dimensional complimentary scorer who doesn't really help you win. don't think he ever made the playoffs in regina. perron is a decent scoring option but doesn't really play defense well. yakupov? high bust potential and at the very least a project. there is nothing else at forward and nothing on the way. years of drafting at the top of every round has produced nothing. watching nathan mackinnon be better than any oiler doesn't bother me, but watching boone jenner be a good player in Columbus drives me nuts with david musil plodding around the ahl. this is on the oiler pro and amateur scouting departments, management and possibly ownership. they have done and are doing a bad job. it can be spun however anyone likes, but there is reality to deal with and that is they are no where close to being a competitive nhl team.

Capitals and paragraphs would help

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#30 Al Low
April 20 2014, 09:25AM
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The Avs are just simply better built than the Oilers. They've made their 2nd round picks count (O'Reilly and Statsny) and they've done a better job of developing Mackinnon, Landeskog and Duchesne, all 3 of whom any non-Oilers fan would take over any combination of Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov. And, they've actually made 'bold moves' in bringing in guys like Erik Johnson and Semyon Varlamov. Colorado's core will net them a Stanley Cup at some point. It's nice to see one rebuild coming to fruition. I'm happy for their fans.

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#31 spliff
April 20 2014, 09:27AM
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The Souray debacle, when management let a top pair D-man get away for nothing, instead of sitting him down and having a talk with him, is class Oilers post 1999 managerial incompetence. And it has KLowe's fingerprints all over it.

I don't deny KLowe is super-competitive and bleeds Oiler and all the crap. However, he is too emotional and makes rash decisions based too much on emotion, which hurt the franchise he supposedly loves. The Souray example is only one of many.

We need competent and level-headed management, with a sound plan, to lead this organization. Not arrogant, emotional overconfident ex-players that continually talk about almost winning a cup 9 years ago, and how everyone in the NHL outside of Edmonton thinks they're doing a good job.

What a sh*tshow this organization is.

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#32 gcw_rocks
April 20 2014, 09:33AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

If you watched Nathan MacKinnon and Landeskog the last two games you might rethink that.

I would not trade MacKinnon and Landeskog for Hall and either of RNH or Yakupov. Probably wouldn't trade those two for all three of the Oilers first overalls. That's not to say Hall isn't great. He is. But odds are MacKinnon will be better and his position is more important.

Add in O'Reilly, Duchenne, Statsny, Johnson, Varlamov, and Barrie and you have one great young core.

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#33 Reagan
April 20 2014, 09:37AM
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Most non elegant beer spillage...

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#34 Woogie63
April 20 2014, 09:38AM
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Lowetide, any insight on who someone gets picked to be a Hockey GM...

If you look around the league it seems to be,

Ex-players Limited education (or a very quick EMBA) Very little organizational experience. Then whamo GM or president

Are there any GMs that didn't play in the NHL that might have started,

In amateur scouting Moved Pro scouting Moved to management of the minor pro team Moved to the administration of the pro team Moved to the assistant GM Moved to the GM position

You get the idea, the person has spent a career learning the business, like most of us need to do the advance with a company...

Vs. the NFL it seems very "clubby"

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#35 GCW
April 20 2014, 09:43AM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

That's why The Old Boys Club needs to be turfed.

Well said.

If Lowe and MacT had a clue they would have focused bringing in strong commentary players last summer rather than a bunch of question marks and never will be types.

Competitive teams don't rely on players like Belov, Joensuu, Acton, Grebeshkov, Hamilton, Labarbara, Gazdic, and McIntyre. Probably don't have Fraser or Hendricks either.

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#36 bwar
April 20 2014, 09:48AM
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Oh Tambellini was terrible? I hadn't realized this. Thank you for pointing this out to me Lowetide.

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#37 Spydyr
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"It's hard to rebuild an empire from rubble overnight."

Silly me I thought this was the eighth year outside the playoffs.Hardly overnight.

Anyone with common sense understands this problem comes from the top.Using Tambo as an escape goat is weak.He was Lowe's hire and if one does not think every decision Tambo made did not cross Lowe's desk they are naive.

Now Mac-T is spouting the company rhetoric.They treat their fans like sheep.Some fans are starting to wake up.

The media in Edmonton is scared to ask the tough questions for fear of reprisal.

They turned over half their roster last year and are turning over another half this year there is no plan outside tank and draft high. This organization is the laughing stock of the NHL.

Lowe and Katz are the disease

There is no cure.

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#38 GCW
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dougtheslug wrote:

It's a bit of a misdirection play to lay this all at the feet of Tambo - after all, he was a KLowe hire and every move he made was being run past the boss.

Even though you can argue that the team didn't deliberately tank, in the sense that they deliberately threw games, there is no doubt in my mind that they were deliberately built to tank.

The "masterplan",I believe, was to acquire elite players, just like back in the good old days. To do this the Oiler brains figured all they needed to do was finish last for a few seasons, draft what they thought was the equivalent of Messier (Hall), Gretzky(RNH), Anderson(Yak), and Coffey (sign J. Schulz), and presto! Instant dynasty.

I suspect MacT even believed he was bringing in a young Glen Sather (Eakins) to mentor the youngsters into the champions they all knew they would become.

I think that was the plan. In its entirety.

They never factored in, and I suspect, weren't aware, that the world had moved on. That building a winner in the modern NHL was not the same as it had been back in the good old days, when Bucky and MacT and Smitty and KLowe himself were ripping it up and make believing it was all about their skill and brilliance, instead of what it was - being in the right place at the right time, surrounded by a never-to-be-duplicated group of future Hall of Famers. They never realized that star players today need a certain type of supporting cast to succeed. They never factored in the toxic and corrosive effect that relentless losing has on player development.

The tragedy is there is no Plan B. So get used to more losing, more trying of the same thing over and over and getting the same results. Because the guys who came up with this "blueprint for success" are still in charge.

No, no. It's all Tambo's fault. I have been looking into how the team had performed against recent cup finalists in there Cup minus 2 and Cup minus 3 seasons.

Points wise, the Oilers were right in the range for their Cup minus 3 season, but almost of them made big jumps in thier Cup minus 2 seasons. If this was year four of a rebuild as Katz said, one that Lowe told the nation was up to six years long before being a Cup contender, then this was the year the team should have made a big jump to somewhere in the 88 point range.

Lowe and MacT delivered 65.

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#39 Jackson
April 20 2014, 10:08AM
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Worst team in the NHL for the last 8 years.

You can do all the mental gymnastics you want but Oilers should be in a different league compared to Colorado.

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#40 Jeffff
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I don't care whose fault it is. Edmonton is the worst run team in the NHL. I could pick at random any person who posts here and they could do just as poorly as the Oilers management has done in the last 8 years.

I can't believe they pay these guys.

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#41 Paq Twinn
April 20 2014, 10:13AM
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@Fresh Mess

I doubt there was any ill intent by TSN to sign Cuthbert. He IS the voice of the CFL. And the CFL's home is TSN. 1+1=2.

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#42 tileguy
April 20 2014, 10:18AM
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Question, Do you think Lowe feels embarrassment? What about Katz? Should they?

My opinion is Lowe should because he gave it his best try, failed, and still hangs on.

Katz should as well, his friends must look at him and snicker that he is a jock sniffing cling on that can't right a ship and is destined to be the worst owner ever, surpassing suck legends as Ballard and Wertz.

Gawd I'm frustrated.

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#43 Paq Twinn
April 20 2014, 10:22AM
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@merfer

I agree with almost everything you said. Expect the Nate vs Sid part. Nathan McKinnon will be better then Sidney Crosby. This kid scares me like the way Forsberg did. There's no stopping him. Just wait til he hits 23. Pure domination will follow.

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#44 TeddyTurnbuckle
April 20 2014, 10:31AM
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@Sean17

True. We were unlucky that year to be drafting 1st overall and not the next year. After watching Mackinnon last night I couldn't believe how he was setting the NHL on fire. Their top four forwards definitely have a higher stock than our top four at this moment. We may get the edge if we keep going back to the well and get Mcdavid next year.

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#45 Say what again
April 20 2014, 10:47AM
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All this Avs envy is sad. Have some pride in your city and team. No, I'm not a closet Avs fan. It's just that it won't affect me one iota if they win the cup this or any other year. You want to know why they're doing so well? Supporting cast. Simply put, a bunch of their guys decided to show up and play to their potential this year after crapping the bed in the past (Exhibit A. Paul Stastny). Meanwhile Erik Johnson is FINALLY looking like the franchise defencemen he was touted to be and Varlamov seems to have decided that Mr. Vezina is calling his name. They're a hot team right now, there's no doubt about it. But whatever, I'm not gonna waste my time moaning about "If only we were them" or some other nonsense.

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#46 admiralmark
April 20 2014, 10:47AM
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All of Tambi's moves were not that bad...

Erik Cole, For Patrick O'Sullivan to me is a strike on the Pro Scouts.

Kyle Brodziak was just a plain dumb move. Bad Tambi!

Denis Grebeshkov. For Curtis Hamilton. Nothing wrong with that. Grebs was at the beginning of the suck and Hamilton projected to be a good 2nd or 3rd liner.

Lubomir Visnovsky. for Whitney. Again brutal Pro Scouts suggestion here. Do your freaking homework retards its your job.

Steve Staios. for Aaron Johnson and the pick that turns into Travis Ewanyk. Nothing wrong with this. Staios at the end of his career and has a $$$ contract.

Riley Nash. Edmonton gets the Martin Marincin pick. Had no choice Nash was pulling a J Shultz.

Dustin Penner. for Colten Teubert and the Oscar Klefbom pick. Fine trade. Although I like Penner the return is fair and we are just seeing the reward with Klefbom emerging.

Andrew Cogliano. Edmonton acquires the Marco Roy pick. Well Cogliano has found a home on the Wing. But he wasn't open to this in Edmonton..

Tom Gilbert. Edmonton acquires Nick Schultz. Bad Tambi!

Tobias Rieder. Edmonton acquires Kale Kessy. Baaad Tambi!

The thing about the scorched earth approach that now i have had the pleasure of witnessing its effect. Is two brutal negatives that goes with it.

1) Leaving the team completely devoid of Veteran leaders in the top 6 or top pairings means very little direction for the young wave of talent to follow and learn from. Its a poor development environment.

2) This also leads to many many many many losses and breeds and loser environment . ITs like a tailspin you can't get out of no matter how hard they try.

Bottom line is: Prior to 2010 I was a proponent of going the scorched earth rebuild with the Oilers... I will NEVER be a proponent again!

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#47 admiralmark
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All of Tambi's moves were not that bad...

Erik Cole, For Patrick O'Sullivan to me is a strike on the Pro Scouts.

Kyle Brodziak was just a plain dumb move. Bad Tambi!

Denis Grebeshkov. For Curtis Hamilton. Nothing wrong with that. Grebs was at the beginning of the suck and Hamilton projected to be a good 2nd or 3rd liner.

Lubomir Visnovsky. for Whitney. Again brutal Pro Scouts suggestion here. Do your freaking homework retards its your job.

Steve Staios. for Aaron Johnson and the pick that turns into Travis Ewanyk. Nothing wrong with this. Staios at the end of his career and has a $$$ contract.

Riley Nash. Edmonton gets the Martin Marincin pick. Had no choice Nash was pulling a J Shultz.

Dustin Penner. for Colten Teubert and the Oscar Klefbom pick. Fine trade. Although I like Penner the return is fair and we are just seeing the reward with Klefbom emerging.

Andrew Cogliano. Edmonton acquires the Marco Roy pick. Well Cogliano has found a home on the Wing. But he wasn't open to this in Edmonton..

Tom Gilbert. Edmonton acquires Nick Schultz. Bad Tambi!

Tobias Rieder. Edmonton acquires Kale Kessy. Baaad Tambi!

The thing about the scorched earth approach that now i have had the pleasure of witnessing its effect. Is two brutal negatives that goes with it.

1) Leaving the team completely devoid of Veteran leaders in the top 6 or top pairings means very little direction for the young wave of talent to follow and learn from. Its a poor development environment.

2) This also leads to many many many many losses and breeds and loser environment . ITs like a tailspin you can't get out of no matter how hard they try.

Bottom line is: Prior to 2010 I was a proponent of going the scorched earth rebuild with the Oilers... I will NEVER be a proponent again!

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#48 admiralmark
April 20 2014, 10:48AM
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sorry double post... :S

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#49 GCW
April 20 2014, 10:49AM
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GCW wrote:

No, no. It's all Tambo's fault. I have been looking into how the team had performed against recent cup finalists in there Cup minus 2 and Cup minus 3 seasons.

Points wise, the Oilers were right in the range for their Cup minus 3 season, but almost of them made big jumps in thier Cup minus 2 seasons. If this was year four of a rebuild as Katz said, one that Lowe told the nation was up to six years long before being a Cup contender, then this was the year the team should have made a big jump to somewhere in the 88 point range.

Lowe and MacT delivered 65.

Correction.

If we believe that Katz and Lowe have just completed year 4 of a 6 year rebuild to be a Cup contender, here is how the Oilers stack up in their Cup -2 and Cup -3 seasons. I have excluded last season's finalist because they were both returnees (not rebuilders) and would have skewed the numbers higher (i.e., made the Oilers look even worse).

Cup -3 Season Points Kings 08-09 79 Devils 08-09 106 Bruins 07-08 94 Canucks 07-08 88 Hawks 06-07 71 Flyers 06-07 56 Average 82 Oilers 13-14 77 Difference 5

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#50 The Beaker
April 20 2014, 10:51AM
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tileguy wrote:

As usual you are spot on with your comments, observations and theories Doug. You make more sense than most including the writers. Please don't fade away like DSF, a voice of reason is so appreciated. "All hat and no cattle"

If you think eternal pessimism = "voice of reason" you need to figure some things out.

Oilers fans often are way too optimistic about the team but many can just find a way to be negative about everything.

The truth is somewhere in the middle for most situations.

The Oilers have done a lot of things wrong (Hiring and keeping Tambo was capital offense #1) but there is some opportunity for them to fix some things. It's not going to be easy or likely quick but it cant get much worse.

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