SCORCHED EARTH

Lowetide
April 20 2014 06:37AM

parkatti tweet

I believe this sentiment drives much of the discontent in Oilers Nation these days. Why can't we have nice things? Colorado sucked for LESS time and are in the playoffs looking like the Oilers team we were promised!!!! What the hell? Where are the answers? After the break.

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Steve Tambellini authored a devastating period in Oilers history and left a roster filled with forgettable. Tambellini never met an NHL player he couldn't rid himself of, he was quite impressive at the discipline.

  • Sheldon Souray said a few things? OFF to Chocolate City with him!!!
  • Dustin Penner has size, but won't use it? Kick him down the road for a pick that might turn out years from now.
  • His ‘stand and deliver’ July 1st 2011 series of transactions (bought out Souray, signs Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk, Eric Belanger, Corey Potter and trades for Andy Sutton) serves as his nadir.

It's easy to forget just how many useful people were sent away after Steve Tambellini arrived in late summer 2008.

  • Erik Cole, Edmonton gets Patrick O'Sullivan
  • Kyle Brodziak, Edmonton gets two picks (Bigos and Roy). Minnesota also gets a late pick they turn into Darcy Kuemper—who played for them last night.
  • Denis Grebeshkov.  Edmonton gets the pick that turned into Curtis Hamilton.
  • Lubomir Visnovsky. Edmonton gets Ryan Whitney and the Brandon Davidson pick.
  • Steve Staios. Edmonton gets Aaron Johnson and the pick that turns into Travis Ewanyk.
  • Riley Nash. Edmonton gets the Martin Marincin pick.
  • Dustin Penner. Edmonton acquires Colten Teubert and the Oscar Klefbom pick.
  • Andrew Cogliano. Edmonton acquires the Marco Roy pick.
  • Tom Gilbert. Edmonton acquires Nick Schultz.
  • Tobias Rieder. Edmonton acquires Kale Kessy.

RECOVERY

When Craig MacTavish took over this hockey team, they were very weak up the middle. Improvements last summer (Boyd Gordon, Andrew Ference) added to mid-season fixes (Scrivens, Fasth) have Edmonton looking a little better at C, D and G.

There's a long way to go.

However, the scorched earth policy—which involved things like sending a capable defenseman to the minors as punishment for a moment of frustration—delivered an empty cupboard and made certain the early years of Taylor Hall were bleak. 

Steve Tambellini dealt Dustin Penner at the 2010-11 deadline, and the Oilers did not replace him until summer 2013 (David Perron).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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When looking at a picture, it's vital to identify the real tragedy.

I understand the frustration that Michael Parkatti and all Oiler fans have today. This is draining, especially when Colorado makes it look so easy. But if you look at where they were in 2010 (they had 95 points and made the playoffs) and since then (seasons of 68, 88, lockout 39 and now 112 points), it doesn't compare with the scorched earth Oilers.

The one season that showed promise (2011-12 under Renney) Tambellini fired the coach and brought back Lennart Petrell. !!!!!!.

I know this is a difficult period, but if we're laying blame here let's have the conversation. It's hard to rebuild an empire from rubble overnight.

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#1 non descript
April 20 2014, 07:24AM
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it is almost pointless to get frustrated comparing the oilers to colorado. the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to taylor hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one. the avalanche might be the best young team in hockey and the oilers are barely a team. the thing to get frustrated about as an oiler fan is that after hall there is very little. RNH may turn into a two way 80-90 point pivot and he may turn out to be pierre marc bouchard. eberle is a one dimensional complimentary scorer who doesn't really help you win. don't think he ever made the playoffs in regina. perron is a decent scoring option but doesn't really play defense well. yakupov? high bust potential and at the very least a project. there is nothing else at forward and nothing on the way. years of drafting at the top of every round has produced nothing. watching nathan mackinnon be better than any oiler doesn't bother me, but watching boone jenner be a good player in Columbus drives me nuts with david musil plodding around the ahl. this is on the oiler pro and amateur scouting departments, management and possibly ownership. they have done and are doing a bad job. it can be spun however anyone likes, but there is reality to deal with and that is they are no where close to being a competitive nhl team.

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#2 Athabascajim
April 20 2014, 07:38AM
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Interesting how you praise MacT for the Gordon signing and knock Tambo for Belanger. Check out Belangers yr 1 stats with the Oil. Gordon had a few more points (mostly in the first two weeks) but had a lower face off %. Not much to choose from. I certainly don't put this signing on the plus side of MacT's ledger yet!

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#3 The Beaker
April 20 2014, 07:30AM
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@non descript

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

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#4 Time Travelling Sean
April 20 2014, 09:11AM
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What's wrong with Petrell? I liked him a lot.

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#5 lj
April 20 2014, 11:15AM
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Hall-Nuge-yak Perron-stastny-simmonds setoguchi-cotourier-talbot Gordon-boyle-Hendricks Gazdic/pitlick

orpik-petry marincin-schultz nikitin-ference Klefbom

Scrivens-Fasth

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#6 Lando
April 20 2014, 05:01PM
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The negativity here is getting a little melodramatic. Whoever said that Taylor Hall doesn't compare to any of the Ave's young talent needs to give their head a shake. The dude is one of the best players in the league and he's proving it on the most pathetic team in the NHL. Imagine what he could do with a real centre. Patience is running thin with the fans that is clear but it's going to take at least another 5 years for the Oilers to be a contender. There's a huge chance the Oil will draft Macdavid next year. If the hype is true he'll step into the league and be a force like Crosby. The sucking has got to stop eventually doesn't it? Yes it does and it will..... Have faith Oilers fans!

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#7 slopitch
April 20 2014, 07:17AM
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Worth noting that MacT dumped Horcoff, Hemsky and Smyth. I include Smytty to make a point. I do realize he retired and it is likely for the best.

Colorado picked up Eric Johnson and didn't waste their 2nd round bullets. Stasny and ROR are quality.

I think the oilers will turn the corner once they find that top pairing D. MacT is doing some good things and reinforcements are on route.

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#8 Fresh Mess
April 20 2014, 07:55AM
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Weren't you excitedly proclaiming at that time that it was "the summer of Steve" LT?

Tambellini executed the plan he crafted with Katz and Lowe.

and even after MacT was canned as coach, he remained on the Oiler payroll as a consultant while he worked at TSN. MacLooselips has had input in designing this team all along.

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#9 John Chambers
April 20 2014, 11:22AM
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Avs drafted 3rd overall in 2009. In a sense their scorched earth has lasted one year longer than ours, but they mixed in a playoff season and a not- so-bad one prior to returning as a competitive team. Factor in a pretty good trade that landed them Erik Johnson, and they've managed their pieces very well.

The Oilers have key pieces. There's not a lot of difference between Duchesne and RNH, or Hall and Landedkog. If the Oilers can find a 25-minute Dman, a 2-way centre with size, and the kids get better, they will improve.

This past season was the hardest because we were supposed to be there by now, but under the right management they could be 25-points better next season.

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#10 BURROWSHASCRABS
April 20 2014, 04:35PM
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Please are you kidding!! Colorado had good goaltender and was out shot almost every game. Luckiest bastards in the NHL. What a joke that the hockey Gods completely helped those f#$ks all damn year. Ya ok I'm a bit jealous we never get that lucky fine I admit it!

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#11 JitanPren
April 20 2014, 07:38AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

Lol. Same.

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#12 Costanza
April 20 2014, 07:40AM
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"Gordan and ference improvements..." Horcoff was a 3. Replaced him with Gordon who's a 4.

Ference is a 5D

You were probably apart of the playoff belief. At the start of the year

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#13 dougtheslug
April 20 2014, 07:44AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

Foolish of you to stop reading and start posting. The complete sentence was " ...the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to Taylor Hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one."

Taylor Hall AND the 2 question marks (RNH and Yak) vs MacKinnon, O'Reilly, Landeskog AND Matt Duchene who isn't even playing due to injury. It isn't even close.

Equally accurate was the criticism of the Oilers lacking a scouting department and whiffing on useful picks in the second and later rounds.

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#14 Say what again
April 20 2014, 10:47AM
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All this Avs envy is sad. Have some pride in your city and team. No, I'm not a closet Avs fan. It's just that it won't affect me one iota if they win the cup this or any other year. You want to know why they're doing so well? Supporting cast. Simply put, a bunch of their guys decided to show up and play to their potential this year after crapping the bed in the past (Exhibit A. Paul Stastny). Meanwhile Erik Johnson is FINALLY looking like the franchise defencemen he was touted to be and Varlamov seems to have decided that Mr. Vezina is calling his name. They're a hot team right now, there's no doubt about it. But whatever, I'm not gonna waste my time moaning about "If only we were them" or some other nonsense.

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#15 tileguy
April 20 2014, 09:04AM
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@dougtheslug

As usual you are spot on with your comments, observations and theories Doug. You make more sense than most including the writers. Please don't fade away like DSF, a voice of reason is so appreciated. "All hat and no cattle"

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#16 dougtheslug
April 20 2014, 07:33AM
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It's a bit of a misdirection play to lay this all at the feet of Tambo - after all, he was a KLowe hire and every move he made was being run past the boss.

Even though you can argue that the team didn't deliberately tank, in the sense that they deliberately threw games, there is no doubt in my mind that they were deliberately built to tank.

The "masterplan",I believe, was to acquire elite players, just like back in the good old days. To do this the Oiler brains figured all they needed to do was finish last for a few seasons, draft what they thought was the equivalent of Messier (Hall), Gretzky(RNH), Anderson(Yak), and Coffey (sign J. Schulz), and presto! Instant dynasty.

I suspect MacT even believed he was bringing in a young Glen Sather (Eakins) to mentor the youngsters into the champions they all knew they would become.

I think that was the plan. In its entirety.

They never factored in, and I suspect, weren't aware, that the world had moved on. That building a winner in the modern NHL was not the same as it had been back in the good old days, when Bucky and MacT and Smitty and KLowe himself were ripping it up and make believing it was all about their skill and brilliance, instead of what it was - being in the right place at the right time, surrounded by a never-to-be-duplicated group of future Hall of Famers. They never realized that star players today need a certain type of supporting cast to succeed. They never factored in the toxic and corrosive effect that relentless losing has on player development.

The tragedy is there is no Plan B. So get used to more losing, more trying of the same thing over and over and getting the same results. Because the guys who came up with this "blueprint for success" are still in charge.

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#17 Quicksilver ballet
April 20 2014, 12:27PM
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Anyone who doesn't feel the 18 yr old in process, and players who don't compete out, may want to rethink their position this team is only a second line center and a top pairing blueliner away from competing again. This team needs impact players no matter how old they are. Edmontons only shot at this is by selecting half a dozen more entry level players who can step right in. Overcome the stupidity of this management group.

The Oilers distribute icetime to players who haven't earned it. The haven't a clue what's involved in developing players. Kevin Lowe rubs his 6 rings in each new kids face and says, this is what I did, lets see what you can do. There's little doubt now that Hall, Hopkins and Yakupov would've all be doing much better in a different organization. This management group has soiled this market for entry level players now, let alone established players.

In two years when that new building opens, probably with the highest ticket prices in the NHL, and a half empty building......it will spell doom for NHL hockey in this market. Fanboy Daryl Katz will be taking his toy to Quebec City before the concrete in the new building has cured.

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#18 non descript
April 20 2014, 07:46AM
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JitanPren wrote:

Lol. Same.

one team just finished third overall based largely on the play of its young players and one team looks like they don't belong on the same ice as other nhl teams a lot of nights. yup, what i wrote was foolishness. believe me, i hope i am wrong, just a realist.

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#19 Total Points
April 20 2014, 09:19AM
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non descript wrote:

it is almost pointless to get frustrated comparing the oilers to colorado. the young talent they have accumulated is vastly superior to taylor hall and the two question marks the oilers picked at number one. the avalanche might be the best young team in hockey and the oilers are barely a team. the thing to get frustrated about as an oiler fan is that after hall there is very little. RNH may turn into a two way 80-90 point pivot and he may turn out to be pierre marc bouchard. eberle is a one dimensional complimentary scorer who doesn't really help you win. don't think he ever made the playoffs in regina. perron is a decent scoring option but doesn't really play defense well. yakupov? high bust potential and at the very least a project. there is nothing else at forward and nothing on the way. years of drafting at the top of every round has produced nothing. watching nathan mackinnon be better than any oiler doesn't bother me, but watching boone jenner be a good player in Columbus drives me nuts with david musil plodding around the ahl. this is on the oiler pro and amateur scouting departments, management and possibly ownership. they have done and are doing a bad job. it can be spun however anyone likes, but there is reality to deal with and that is they are no where close to being a competitive nhl team.

Capitals and paragraphs would help

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#20 Paq Twinn
April 20 2014, 10:22AM
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@merfer

I agree with almost everything you said. Expect the Nate vs Sid part. Nathan McKinnon will be better then Sidney Crosby. This kid scares me like the way Forsberg did. There's no stopping him. Just wait til he hits 23. Pure domination will follow.

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#21 ThatButthurtOilerFan
April 20 2014, 12:28PM
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Costanza wrote:

"Gordan and ference improvements..." Horcoff was a 3. Replaced him with Gordon who's a 4.

Ference is a 5D

You were probably apart of the playoff belief. At the start of the year

Gordon is as capable of a third center as Horcoff is. Ference is a 3-4 D.

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#22 bwar
April 20 2014, 09:48AM
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Oh Tambellini was terrible? I hadn't realized this. Thank you for pointing this out to me Lowetide.

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#23 Gk1980
April 20 2014, 11:23AM
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How can any oiler fan be optimistic of going into next year. Does anyone really believe it will be any different. Our "core" has not shown me anything to believe they can get us into the post season. Man I like RNH but he just looks average now. I'm not getting caught up in the excitement if a new season. It will only disappoint again. Not too sure what to think if my oilers now.

Nice to watch some good hockey again though. Go St. Louis!

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#24 a lg dubl dubl
April 20 2014, 03:06PM
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People seem to forget Oct and Nov. If DD didn't completely fall on his face and got the team 10 more wins in the 1st two months the Oilers are just missing the playoffs, and the discussions are completely different.

If the same thing happens next season as this last one, then I hope Katz has the nuts to can all his friends and start fresh.

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#25 Johnny
April 20 2014, 08:12AM
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@The Beaker

I didn't stop reading, I just assumed he meant Nathan MacKinnon is superior to Taylor Hall, which he is/will be. And that is fine, but disappointing. Not all number ones are created equal. Too bad having 3 in a row does not provide us with a generational. As for the rest of his post, agreed. The cupboards are bare, and if you believe that help is on the way, you are a fool and continue to drink the Koop-aid. Mact - "we are going to get another piece this year.." . What is every other team going to do??!?? They all draft hockey players. Unfortunately other teams do it better than us! Our failed second rounders(Lander, Pitlick,Musil) are our undoing. Grooming Pitlick for 5 years to be a fourth line energy guy isn't the same as adding ROR to your team. Expect very little improvement next year.

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#26 gcw_rocks
April 20 2014, 09:33AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Once i got to "their young talent is vastly superior to Taylor Hall" I stopped reading. Foolishness.

If you watched Nathan MacKinnon and Landeskog the last two games you might rethink that.

I would not trade MacKinnon and Landeskog for Hall and either of RNH or Yakupov. Probably wouldn't trade those two for all three of the Oilers first overalls. That's not to say Hall isn't great. He is. But odds are MacKinnon will be better and his position is more important.

Add in O'Reilly, Duchenne, Statsny, Johnson, Varlamov, and Barrie and you have one great young core.

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#27 The Beaker
April 20 2014, 10:51AM
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tileguy wrote:

As usual you are spot on with your comments, observations and theories Doug. You make more sense than most including the writers. Please don't fade away like DSF, a voice of reason is so appreciated. "All hat and no cattle"

If you think eternal pessimism = "voice of reason" you need to figure some things out.

Oilers fans often are way too optimistic about the team but many can just find a way to be negative about everything.

The truth is somewhere in the middle for most situations.

The Oilers have done a lot of things wrong (Hiring and keeping Tambo was capital offense #1) but there is some opportunity for them to fix some things. It's not going to be easy or likely quick but it cant get much worse.

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#28 GCW
April 20 2014, 10:55AM
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GCW wrote:

No, no. It's all Tambo's fault. I have been looking into how the team had performed against recent cup finalists in there Cup minus 2 and Cup minus 3 seasons.

Points wise, the Oilers were right in the range for their Cup minus 3 season, but almost of them made big jumps in thier Cup minus 2 seasons. If this was year four of a rebuild as Katz said, one that Lowe told the nation was up to six years long before being a Cup contender, then this was the year the team should have made a big jump to somewhere in the 88 point range.

Lowe and MacT delivered 65.

Whoops, accidentally hit post before I was done.

Correction.

If we believe that Katz and Lowe have just completed year 4 of a 6 year rebuild to be a Cup contender, here is how the Oilers stack up in their Cup -2 and Cup -3 seasons. I have excluded last season's finalist because they were both returnees (not rebuilders) and would have skewed the numbers higher (i.e., made the Oilers look even worse).

Cup -3 Season Points

Kings 08-09 79

Devils 08-09 106

Bruins 07-08 94

Canucks 07-08 88

Hawks 06-07 71

Flyers 06-07 56

Average 82

Oilers 13-14 77*

Difference (5)

* Projected over 82. West only. We would expect this total to be higher had they played the East. Likely 2 to 4 points better.

Now, let's look at Cup -2:

Cup -2 Season Points

Kings 09-10 101

Devils 09-10 103

Bruins 08-09 116

Canucks 08-09 100

Hawks 07-08 88

Flyers 07-08 95

Average 101

Oilers 13-14 65

Difference (36)

Oilers went from being on pace to 36 points off pace in one summer.

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#29 gr8one
April 20 2014, 02:28PM
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The Av's are scary good down the middle.

MacKinnon, Duchene, Stastny, O'Reilly. Nuge would arguably be fifth on their depth chart.

They also had solid goaltending all year long, If we had of started the season with even decent goaltending our season could have been very different.

O'Reilly was a big pick for that organization, if we had one second rounder from the past five years that was an impact player like him it would be go a long way, plus if Gagner was close to Stastny in what he brought the Oilers would look a lot different right now. Instead we have Pitlick, Lander and Gagner.

That being said, I think the Oilers are as bad as they look, but I don't think the Av's are good as they've looked this season, a lot of things fell just right for the Av's this year, I don't think they finish nearly as high in the standings next year.

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#30 Rick Stroppel
April 20 2014, 08:18PM
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Shredder wrote:

Any idea while a bunch of the Oilers declined to play at the worlds'?

In an INCREDIBLE coincidence, Hall, Eberle and RNH all suffered nagging injuries toward the end of the year. These injuries prevented them from playing ZERO games in the last month of the season, but they will not be able to play in the world championships...with two weeks to overcome whatever problems they had.

Perron and Scrivens said yes. If the US team asks Matt Hendricks to play, what do you think he will say?

Is it not telling that a huge part of what little leadership and grit the Oilers had this year came from three players who been with the team for less than eight months?p

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#31 merfer
April 20 2014, 09:14AM
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Colorado is going to be a force for the next ten years. Does anyone think our talent even comes close to theirs? If we want to go to a Stanley Cup final we will have to get through Colorado. My opinion is we need to draft Bennett and hope he turns into the Gilmore type player they say he will. We will need as many super competive players as we can get, full of piss and vinagar, if we ever want to get through Colorado. That Mackinnon will be as good as Sid, and he makes the rest of his linemates so much better. Very scary team.

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#32 Karma
April 20 2014, 06:36PM
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Shredder wrote:

Any idea while a bunch of the Oilers declined to play at the worlds'?

Cuz they don't play for less than 74grand a game. Plus they don't like playing in spring

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#33 David S
April 20 2014, 08:12PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

You keep hanging onto the dream that 3 or 4 actual NHL players are going to come in and save us.

Hold onto that fantasy there David, just like management hoped you would. You know what I mean when I say half a dozen more (over the next 3 yrs, in the system/yet to be drafted)

There are no forwards "in the system" right now or in the foreseeable future that are able to competently fill out our bottom six, which is where the biggest problem lies. We tried every one of the current crop over the last month and to a one they all suck.

Anybody we draft this year might, MIGHT be a worthwhile contributor 2-3 years from now. If anything it's you who has bought into the "grow from within" fallacy the team continually spins. It's the ultimate get out of jail card.

We're going to need some quality NHL players and we'll have to execute a few painful trades and/or overpay to get them. THAT is the truth of the matter.

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#34 oilerfaninwinnipeg
April 20 2014, 08:24PM
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stop buying tickets!!! and tell everyone to stop buying tickets. then their will be change.

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#35 dw
April 20 2014, 08:16AM
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@dougtheslug

People forget about the supporting cast those great Oiler teams had. Even though we had Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, etc. it wasn't like we had a cakewalk to the cup. We don't win the cup without guys like Huddy, Krushylneski (sp), MacTavish, Fogolin, etc. I don't think the game has changed as much as you think in that respect.

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#36 BC BOY
April 20 2014, 08:54AM
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Reading this article makes me despise Kevin Lowe and Darryl Katz. How could they not see the moves Tambellini was making? If either of those two were somewhat competent they would of fired Tambellini a long before it got to that point!!!! and who knows maybe the oilers would of been competitive this year.

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#37 GCW
April 20 2014, 09:43AM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

That's why The Old Boys Club needs to be turfed.

Well said.

If Lowe and MacT had a clue they would have focused bringing in strong commentary players last summer rather than a bunch of question marks and never will be types.

Competitive teams don't rely on players like Belov, Joensuu, Acton, Grebeshkov, Hamilton, Labarbara, Gazdic, and McIntyre. Probably don't have Fraser or Hendricks either.

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#38 Spydyr
April 20 2014, 09:49AM
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"It's hard to rebuild an empire from rubble overnight."

Silly me I thought this was the eighth year outside the playoffs.Hardly overnight.

Anyone with common sense understands this problem comes from the top.Using Tambo as an escape goat is weak.He was Lowe's hire and if one does not think every decision Tambo made did not cross Lowe's desk they are naive.

Now Mac-T is spouting the company rhetoric.They treat their fans like sheep.Some fans are starting to wake up.

The media in Edmonton is scared to ask the tough questions for fear of reprisal.

They turned over half their roster last year and are turning over another half this year there is no plan outside tank and draft high. This organization is the laughing stock of the NHL.

Lowe and Katz are the disease

There is no cure.

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#39 dougtheslug
April 20 2014, 01:06PM
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The Beaker wrote:

If you think eternal pessimism = "voice of reason" you need to figure some things out.

Oilers fans often are way too optimistic about the team but many can just find a way to be negative about everything.

The truth is somewhere in the middle for most situations.

The Oilers have done a lot of things wrong (Hiring and keeping Tambo was capital offense #1) but there is some opportunity for them to fix some things. It's not going to be easy or likely quick but it cant get much worse.

"It's not going to be easy or likely quick but it cant get much worse."

I'm not sure I disagree with the above comment. But you do realize that it has got to this point after eight (EIGHT) years (that is, the point where it "can't get much worse"), because of the efforts of the current management.

Of course, I've been saying that to myself for a couple of years now. "Cheer up", I've said. "It can't get much worse."

So I've cheered up. And it's got worse.

One thing the Oilers have demonstrated with amazing consistency is every time they've hit bottom, they've manage to discover a trap door.

One thing I can say about watching Colorado's professional rebuild vs the amateur hour we've been witnessing is that if everything goes right, maybe we can expect the same success in about 3-4 years. That includes counting on lucking into Connor MacDavid.

Does anyone expect with this management group that everything will go right?

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#40 Oiler63
April 20 2014, 01:09PM
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This organization led by Kevin Lowe really can't get a single thing done right, even the cheer leaders. CHEER LEADERS!!! Is it really that hard?!

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#41 Rick Stroppel
April 20 2014, 08:45PM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

In an INCREDIBLE coincidence, Hall, Eberle and RNH all suffered nagging injuries toward the end of the year. These injuries prevented them from playing ZERO games in the last month of the season, but they will not be able to play in the world championships...with two weeks to overcome whatever problems they had.

Perron and Scrivens said yes. If the US team asks Matt Hendricks to play, what do you think he will say?

Is it not telling that a huge part of what little leadership and grit the Oilers had this year came from three players who been with the team for less than eight months?p

PS: THOSE GRAPES ARE PROBABLY SOUR!

At the 2011 IIHF World Championships, these players were in the top five in scoring: Patrik Berglund, Tomas Plekanec, John Tavares.

In 2012, these players were in the top five: Malkin, Zetterberg, Loui Erickson.

In 2013, these players were in the top five: Paul Stasny, Ily Kovalchuk, Steven Stamkos.

Now you really cannot expect Hall, Eberle and RNH to go test themselves against some of the best players in the world. After all, what's in it for them?

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#42 David S
April 20 2014, 10:28PM
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Bryzarro World wrote:

Actually the truth is our top 6 are a joke. Supposed to lead and set an example but fall short. Way short.

What is screwing with the bottom 6, AGAIN, going to do when there is no substance on the top end? Get rid of Eberle, get Yak out of the crapper and if you do that, see which 2 of the remaining 3 you will keep. Trade the one most expendable and get what this team really needs, heart!

Easier said than done when other teams covet the same and we have monkeys steering the ship....

Our top six consists of 5 of six young men 23 or younger being charged with bringing pretty much all the scoring. Take a look at the playoffs and see how the best teams are able to spread out the load over all four lines (i.e. San Jose tonight).

We're asking young players not fully developed to carry the load night in and night out against the best players in the world. They might be able to do it for a while but it wears them out. ON TOP OF WHICH we're trying to get offensive thoroughbreds - guys who were drafted for goal scoring ability first and foremost - to play defensively oriented Horcoff hockey.

Simply put, if we had balanced scoring throughout the lineup alot of the problems we're seeing today wouldn't exist. That means our bottom six has to be far better than what we currently have.

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#43 The Real Scuba Steve
April 20 2014, 07:50AM
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dougtheslug wrote:

It's a bit of a misdirection play to lay this all at the feet of Tambo - after all, he was a KLowe hire and every move he made was being run past the boss.

Even though you can argue that the team didn't deliberately tank, in the sense that they deliberately threw games, there is no doubt in my mind that they were deliberately built to tank.

The "masterplan",I believe, was to acquire elite players, just like back in the good old days. To do this the Oiler brains figured all they needed to do was finish last for a few seasons, draft what they thought was the equivalent of Messier (Hall), Gretzky(RNH), Anderson(Yak), and Coffey (sign J. Schulz), and presto! Instant dynasty.

I suspect MacT even believed he was bringing in a young Glen Sather (Eakins) to mentor the youngsters into the champions they all knew they would become.

I think that was the plan. In its entirety.

They never factored in, and I suspect, weren't aware, that the world had moved on. That building a winner in the modern NHL was not the same as it had been back in the good old days, when Bucky and MacT and Smitty and KLowe himself were ripping it up and make believing it was all about their skill and brilliance, instead of what it was - being in the right place at the right time, surrounded by a never-to-be-duplicated group of future Hall of Famers. They never realized that star players today need a certain type of supporting cast to succeed. They never factored in the toxic and corrosive effect that relentless losing has on player development.

The tragedy is there is no Plan B. So get used to more losing, more trying of the same thing over and over and getting the same results. Because the guys who came up with this "blueprint for success" are still in charge.

That's why The Old Boys Club needs to be turfed.

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#44 Al Low
April 20 2014, 09:25AM
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The Avs are just simply better built than the Oilers. They've made their 2nd round picks count (O'Reilly and Statsny) and they've done a better job of developing Mackinnon, Landeskog and Duchesne, all 3 of whom any non-Oilers fan would take over any combination of Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yakupov. And, they've actually made 'bold moves' in bringing in guys like Erik Johnson and Semyon Varlamov. Colorado's core will net them a Stanley Cup at some point. It's nice to see one rebuild coming to fruition. I'm happy for their fans.

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#45 spliff
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The Souray debacle, when management let a top pair D-man get away for nothing, instead of sitting him down and having a talk with him, is class Oilers post 1999 managerial incompetence. And it has KLowe's fingerprints all over it.

I don't deny KLowe is super-competitive and bleeds Oiler and all the crap. However, he is too emotional and makes rash decisions based too much on emotion, which hurt the franchise he supposedly loves. The Souray example is only one of many.

We need competent and level-headed management, with a sound plan, to lead this organization. Not arrogant, emotional overconfident ex-players that continually talk about almost winning a cup 9 years ago, and how everyone in the NHL outside of Edmonton thinks they're doing a good job.

What a sh*tshow this organization is.

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#46 Rama Lama
April 20 2014, 11:53AM
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Allan you give this guy too much credit.......he did no follow any scorched earth policy. In fact, whet he did is called bliss policy.

You know what they say being an idiot is bliss. This guy was purposely hired by Lowe because he was very controllable. Lowe know all along that Mac T was going on a walkabout..........what he needed was a useful idiot, and along came Tamby......Idiot to the core.

Blaming him is useless as everyone in the league knew who was really behind all this........yes KLowe.

I may sound like a Conspiracy theory but until Tamby was hired no one knew he existed.

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#47 Jerconjake
April 20 2014, 12:33PM
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ThatButthurtOilerFan wrote:

Gordon is as capable of a third center as Horcoff is. Ference is a 3-4 D.

On a good team like Boston Ference is not even re-signed. 3-4 D is more than a bit generous.

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#48 ColourMeImpressed
April 20 2014, 02:25PM
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@Derian Hatcher

You don't seem to know Quennville very well. I could also see Babcock barking.

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#49 Bryzarro World
April 20 2014, 08:46PM
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David S wrote:

There are no forwards "in the system" right now or in the foreseeable future that are able to competently fill out our bottom six, which is where the biggest problem lies. We tried every one of the current crop over the last month and to a one they all suck.

Anybody we draft this year might, MIGHT be a worthwhile contributor 2-3 years from now. If anything it's you who has bought into the "grow from within" fallacy the team continually spins. It's the ultimate get out of jail card.

We're going to need some quality NHL players and we'll have to execute a few painful trades and/or overpay to get them. THAT is the truth of the matter.

Actually the truth is our top 6 are a joke. Supposed to lead and set an example but fall short. Way short.

What is screwing with the bottom 6, AGAIN, going to do when there is no substance on the top end? Get rid of Eberle, get Yak out of the crapper and if you do that, see which 2 of the remaining 3 you will keep. Trade the one most expendable and get what this team really needs, heart!

Easier said than done when other teams covet the same and we have monkeys steering the ship....

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#50 RexHolez
April 20 2014, 11:08PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Mike Brown 5'11" 195 lbs.

Raffi Torres 6"0" 201 lbs.

Who knew smurfs like these could contribute....

Bring me Bennet!

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