LEARN FROM LANDER

Jason Gregor
April 24 2014 07:50AM

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Moving forward, Craig MacTavish and the Oilers have to ensure they don't develop players in the same fashion that they did Anton Lander. Lander is a perfect example of being put in the NHL too quickly. I think Lander will still be a solid NHL player, but his growth was rushed and that has delayed his development.

I'm amazed at how many fans and some pundits are writing off Lander. Comments like, "He didn't score in 60 games. He has no offence," flood my inbox every time I bring up Lander. The best is when people compare him to Detroit's younger players and how he doesn't match up.

You are correct in saying he doesn't compare, because their paths to the NHL are vastly different.

Lander played 56 games as a 20-year-old rookie and he averaged 10:36/game. He was essentially a 4th line player averaging 8:53 of ES TOI/game and 1:36/game on the PK. How would anyone expect him to produce offensively playing in that role?

He was eventually sent down to OKC in late February and played 14 regular season and 14 playoff games. Last season, he started in the AHL due to the lockout, played 4 NHL games early in the year, was sent back to OKC and then recalled for the final 7 NHL games before going back down for the playoffs.

He never had a consistent, defined role until this past season in OKC. He was named captain and started the season very well. During two lengthy stints in OKC he produced 18 goals and 52 points in 46 games.

He was recalled to the Oilers and played eleven between December 5th and January 2nd. He played 10 minutes or less 6 times, before being sent back to OKC. He was recalled again and played 15 games between March 14th and April 12th. These 15 games were the first time he was given consistent minutes. He averaged 16:26 over the final 15 games. He only produced one point.

I don't see him as a second line centre, but I do wonder how much further along in his development he'd be if he had spent his first two seasons in the AHL?

DO IT LIKE DETROIT

The Red Wings do a phenomenal job of developing players, especially European born players. They draft them in the later rounds, then let them play a few more years in Europe or in the American League, or both, before bringing them to the NHL.

Pavel Datsyuk turned 20 one month after being drafted in the 6th round. He played three more years in Russia before making his NHL debut at 23. He started on the 3rd line and tallied 35 points as a rookie, 53 his second season and 68 in his third. Then the lockout hit and when he returned to the NHL, at 27 years of age, he became a superstar.

Henrik Zetterberg was drafted in the 7th round in 1999, but he didn't make his NHL debut until 2002 when he was 22. He had 43 and 44 points his first two seasons, and then after the lockout, at the age of 25, he blossomed into a 85-point player.

Johan Franzen was drafted in the 3rd round in 2004 when he was 24 years old. He scored 16 points as a 25 year old rookie in 2005/2006 and he didn't register his first 50-point season until he was 28. He's not a superstar, but he is a solid complementary player.

Niklas Kronwall was the 29th pick in 2000. He spent three more years in Sweden before coming to the AHL. He got injured his first season in North America and played 25 AHL games and 20 NHL games. He spent the following season in the AHL and at the age of 24 became a regular NHL defenceman. He was a 3rd pairing guy his first year, a 2nd pairing guy the next two and is now a very good top pairing defender.

Gustav Nyqvist was a 4th round selection in 2008. He played the next three seasons in NCAA before racking up 58 points in 56 games with Grand Rapids in the AHL in 2011/2012. He did get into 18 NHL games that year, but last season he also split his time between the AHL (60 points in 58 games) and the NHL (6 points in 22 games). He started this season in the AHL, 21 points in 15 games, before the Red Wings found some cap space and recalled him. Nyqvist is 24 and he's played 137 AHL games and 97 NHL games.

Tomas Tatar was a 2nd round pick in 2009. He was a late birthday so he was almost 19 when he was drafted. From 2009/2010 to 2012/2013 he played 265 games in the AHL and scored 196 points. He did play 9 games in the NHL in 2010/2011, but wasn't back in the show until last season. Tatar became a regular NHLer just prior to turning 23.

Darren Helm was a 5th round pick in 2005. He spent the next two seasons in the WHL with Medicine Hat, then spent two years in Grand Rapids in the AHL. He became an NHL regular in 2009/2010 three months shy of his 23rd birthday. In the spring of 2008 Helm played 18 playoff games, won a Stanley Cup, but started the next season in the minors. He wasn't recalled until late in the year, got into some playoff action again and then made the team in training camp. The Wings don't guarantee spots to their young kids. They keep them hungry and make them earn it.

Jakub Kindl was a the 19th overall pick in 2005. He played two more seasons in the OHL, then three with Grand Rapids in the AHL. In 2010 and 2011 he was with the Red Wings but dressed for 48 and 55 games due to injury and being a healthy scratch. He became an every-game player at 25 years old. He isn't an elite player, he's a #5, but he's a solid contributor.

Jonathan Ericsson was the 291st pick in 2002. He spent four more seasons in Sweden before debuting in the AHL in 2006. He played 2 1/2 seasons in the AHL, before he was recalled late in the 2008/2009 season, dressed for 19 regular season games and 22 more in the playoffs. He was a solid #5 D-men, playing 18:43/game in their run to the Cup. He was a solid #5 D-man for his first three NHL seasons, until last year, at the age of 28, he became a top-pair guy playing 22 minutes a night. Detroit never felt the need to rush him or give him more than 17-18 minutes a night. He matured, gained confidence and is now a solid NHL defender.

Justin Abdelkader was a 2nd round pick in 2005. He spent three more seasons in the NCAA and then 1 1/2 season in the AHL. He played 12:18/game (11th most amongst Det forwards) during his first full NHL season, 2010/2011, and strangely enough played the exact same amount, 12:18/game, in his second year. For the past two seasons he's been a solid 3rd line centre. 

Even Nicklas Lidstrom never debuted in the NHL until he was 21 back in 1991/1992, two years after he was drafted as a 19 year old. Jiri Hudler, Valtteri Filppula and many others are prime examples of how to develop young skill. The Wings don't rush their young players. Whether you are an offensive star, a checker or a D-man the Wings don't hand young players icetime or a spot in the lineup. They let their kids develop their skills, and most importantly their confidence at lower levels, and the entire time they keep those kids yearning for a spot in the NHL.

The Oilers have delayed Lander's development because they rushed him into the league too early, and didn't allow him to develop his offensive confidence. This past year was the first year he did, and he put up very good AHL numbers.

Writing Lander off as someone with no offensive potential is ridiculous. I don't see him as a top-six forward, but he has the potential to be an excellent 4th line centre, and likely a solid 3rd liner. The issue for the Oilers is he'd be best served to play one more year, or at least another half season, in the AHL, but he needs to clear waivers.

He might clear, many teams send "on the cusp" players to the AHL every year, and many aren't claimed because they have a few players similar in their organization, but he could just as easily be grabbed by another team.

The Oilers don't have much centre depth so they likely can't expose him to waivers, but they need to learn from this, and ensure that they don't rush their next group of prospects.

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  • Lander needs to improve his speed. He isn't ready to play 16+ minutes a night, but if he wants to contribute next year as a 4th or 3rd line player he needs to get quicker.

  • I would send Darnell Nurse back to junior next fall. He is too young to go to the AHL, and I don't see any reason to rush him into the NHL. Alex Pietrangelo spent two years in junior after being drafted 4th overall, and he didn't hurt him. The Oilers need to be patient.

  • It is interesting to note the Wings haven't had much success drafting CHL players. Since 1995, the only CHL players to play 100+ games for the Wings are Jiri Fischer (305 games, injury cut short his career), Derek Meech (144 games), Kyle Quincey (375 and counting), and Helm. They prefer Europeans or NCAA players likely because they can play against men in Europe and develop, or come out of college at 21 or 22 and not need to be finished their ELC and be waiver eligible at 21 or 22 like Lander and Tyler Pitlick.

  • Bogdan Yakimov, Anton Slepyshev, Mitch Moroz and Jujhar Khaira will all be 20 next season. The first two will either play in Russia for another season or come over to the AHL, while the two WHLers can get their feet wet in the AHL. I'd keep all of them in the AHL for at least two seasons, and the only way they get recalled is on an injury basis. Let them learn the pro game.

  • I'd have no problem if Oscar Klefbom and/or Martin Marincin started in the AHL next year. There is nothing wrong with being patient with young players.

  • Tough loss at home for OKC last night. They led 2-0 midway through the 2nd period, before losing 3-2 in OT. They have to win game two at home to have any hopes of winning the best of five series, because the final three games are on the road.

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#52 HardBoiledOil
April 24 2014, 10:41AM
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leave Lander in the AHL all of next year as well as Bogdan if he comes over, Slepyshev if he comes over, and Moroz and Khaira. at least one full year for all of them so they can properly develop. but i feel that unless Lander can find a way to get his speed up to the NHL level, he'll be doomed to play on the bottom 2 lines his whole NHL career, if he ever plays in the NHL full time? and leave Nurse in junior next year. my 2 cents.

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#53 Will
April 24 2014, 10:41AM
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Spurzey wrote:

Why would anyone trust you?

Zero people on this site know or care who you are.

Boyd Gordon is a typical western Canadian kid who made the show on guts and determination while not having natural talent like a lot of others he played against. Lander could develop into the same type of player.

Go back to washing ice.

Speaking of Gordon, why the hell is everyone down on Gordon, saying we won't be a playoff team until he's on the fourth line. The guy ate nothing but defensive zone starts and PK, and yet he still managed to be only 5 points behind Pitsburgh's third line centre, and he did it in 7 less games.

Oh yea, Suter makes 2.06 mil, is an RFA this year, and the Pens had to give up Jordan Stall to get him.

True, Gordon makes 3 mil a year, but he's locked up at that till 2016. And again, defensive zone starts. What was he like second in the league for most difficult ice time?

I think the Oiler team build is not to demote Gordon and have this mythical "3 scoring lines" BS. But they will be a playoff team when they balance out their top six and can roll two very deadly top lines, like the Pens. And have some legitimate help on the back end. With Gordon as 3rd line pivot, it has the making of one of the best shut down lines in the NHL. With some help on the wings, that could be a very difficult line to play against next year.

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#54 risto siltanen's slapshot
April 24 2014, 10:42AM
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@djc

i totally agree that some of these posts are more narcissistic than informational.now to give myself the prop this deserved.

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#55 Racki
April 24 2014, 10:43AM
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@Will

Preach it, brother Will. Agree 100%.

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#57 #ThereGoesTheOilers
April 24 2014, 10:50AM
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I agree with everything written in principle here, Jason.

When I try to be patient with this organization it's to the caveat of what they've done for me lately.

It's also a lot easier to remain patient when you're enjoying your team's 23rd consecutive playoff appearance, isn't it?

Perhaps organizational patience is best learned under successful circumstances. That doesn't bode well for our kids.

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#58 risto siltanen's slapshot
April 24 2014, 10:53AM
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pretty soon we'll see Gordon on a playoff team and we'll lament about not having enough experience...eg.horcoff also if we put all our better players on the farm can't we just watch the barons next year? until we get some veteran depth and leadership we'll walk the desert until moses leads us out.who's going to be that player? oh yeah it'll be another youngster from the draft. san jose didn't start being a powerhouse until they brought in thornton. how many high picks did they have until then? even the glory years wouldn't have happened without some wise character acquisitions. huddy,gregg,hughes McClelland,mcsorley,krushelnyski,etc...not just the allstars. go get some character

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#59 Will
April 24 2014, 11:07AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who was the last big name free agent to go to Detroit?

They signed Steven Weiss and again Alfredsson. So which free agent signings are they coasting on?

They have developed Nyqvist, Tatar, Abdelkader, Helm, Miller, Sheahan and Jurco.

On defence they have developed Ericsson, Kronwall and now have Smith, Kindl and Lashoff.

Their best free agent signing was Dekeyser out of college. Just like how the Oilers got J.Schultz.

Detroit is not coasting on big name free agents. They have built a strong development program and use it now more than ever. They have had to use a few guys before they wanted, but they are still very competitive. A strong coach and GM helps, no doubt, but the organization overall develops their own, they don't rely on free agents signings much anymore.

I'd say Weiss and Alfredsson are some pretty big name free agents. But I was also speaking over the course of their current playoff streak. Since 2005 some of the big names that I can quickly recall are Osgood, Hasek, Rafalski, Hossa, Dekeyser, and of course Weiss and Alfredsson.

In the same span of time, what big name free agents have the oilers acquired?

Also, you are right in that the team is not coasting on these signings, but it really helps that they have the ability to sign these guys.

Anyway, lost in all of that was not that Detroit has it easy, but I really want to know how they went from terrible to good? Were they previously rushing players, or did they have to be patient, way longer than their fans expected to be? Also, that they began this type of thing 22 years ago, where as the Oilers are trying to build this type of model in today's NHL. And that is maybe not much more difficult, but it's at least a lot different now.

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#61 Will
April 24 2014, 11:20AM
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Greggor any chance you could do a piece comparing 3rd line centres in the league? Also, maybe debunk the myth of 3 scoring lines. I.E. which teams have them, how are they made up, how much are they paying for them? how did they get them?

Heck, maybe you should do an entire myth busters segment debunking the myths that fans have built up in their minds.

Myths like how all teams have bigger, cheaper, and more skilled second line centres. (not that I'm a particular fan of Gagner).

Or Myths like Yak was terrible this year, even though he was used terribly.

Or how about Shea Webber is untradable?

I don't know, but it could be a good way to bring some of the fans back to reality a little bit.

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#62 Will
April 24 2014, 11:21AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Since 2005...Oilers signed Souray, Penner, J.Schultz...not awful...And had deal with Nylander that he backed out of at last moment, blessing in disguise for them.

Osgood was signed in August for $800,000, not sure I'd say he was a major signing. Good depth signing, but at time wasn't sought after.

The Wings got new ownership and that changed things. They spent big money in the 90s and that helped for sure, but they also have had a steady stream of developing their draft picks. Even now they rarely rush guys.

You need strong leadership, and that is biggest concern in Edmonton. Do they have the right philosophy. Will MacTavish be different. We shall see.

Fair enough, I suppose you could add Belangier, Habby, and Belov to that list?

Also, Penner was an offer sheet not a UFA, so is that really the same?

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#63 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
April 24 2014, 11:27AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Simple...You don't start the season with three rookie D-men and J.Schultz who has less than 120 NHL games.

Nurse, Marincin and Klefbom are all left shots. Is Nurse guaranteed better than them in September. I don't see how.

Show me the negative in sending Nurse to junior? Why rush him? Nine games won't show that he is ready for an entire season. It shows he looked okay for a small sample size.

This organization needs to have the guts to make smart decisions and look big picture. There is zero reason to rush Nurse, zero.

You're right. We don't need three rookie and J-Schu on defense. But if a player is ready, the player is ready. And unless you have better players ahead of him, it should be his job.

Will MacT be able to bring actual defensemen in for next season? He wasn't able last year.

I bet the most likely scenario is one of these rookies is traded for NHL level help.

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#64 Raine
April 24 2014, 12:14PM
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There are plenty of examples the Oilers have rushed, Lander isn't one of them. Lander has been given plenty of time in OKC and should of gained plenty of experience with OKC being in the playoffs quite often. Sure, he got some looks with the Oilers and that should have helped him even more. He should of seen his weakness in the NHL and worked on them in the AHL - he's been given that opportunity time and time again.

Now Captain in the AHL, I see nothing but a player being groomed and it maybe all for nothing. We likely don't have a player with a real NHL future.

I'm willing to wait, but to say the Oilers did poorly on this player and that he is/was rushed is a far cry.

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#65 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 24 2014, 01:14PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Check out NHL teams in the playoffs. Do you think Dallas has all skilled players, or do they have some Gordons/Landers on their team.

You build a winning team with many different parts. Not just skilled players.

You say Gordon is garbage. I guess teams don't want a guy who can win draws, kill penalties and is solid defensively. Yep, those guys are awful.

Vern Fiddler did nothing to help Dallas win last night, NOTHING.

Vern Fiddler?.....come on Gregor....Horc was right there waiting to be mentioned....2 assists last night.

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#66 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 24 2014, 01:16PM
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@bwar

Key pieces two or three years from now.

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#67 Maggie the Monkey
April 24 2014, 01:16PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Some people can't handle the truth.

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

I see your Nietzche and raise it a Tolstoy:

"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal." ~ Leo Tolstoy

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#68 rickithebear
April 24 2014, 01:20PM
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Spyder:

Katz is not a good owner?

It was about Tambo a Poor GM.

08-09 Did not resign reasoner 10 EVG fwd Pitkanen for Cole for POS Stoll(10 EVg) & Greene for VISH Torres (15 EVG) for Brule Glencross allowed to walk (15 EVG) Kotalik for 2nd (walks) Claim potulny Garon to PIT

09-10 Trade Brodziak (13 EVG) for 2 picks Sign Comrie sign NKB Staios to CGY Grebs to NSH for 2nd Vish for Whitney Claim Jones from NSH

10-11 Send Souray to Minors Signed Foster Sign Van de meer Sign C. Fraser Trade Penner (16 EVG) for 1st and tuebert

11-12 Bridge contract Gagner to 1yr from UFA Trades Cogliano (13 EVG) for 2nd Smyth ask Back to EDM Traded Foster for Sutton Signs Belanger Signs Barker Signs Eager Signs Pettrell Signs Potter Signs Hordichuck Trades Gilbert For Schultz

12-13 Signed COL UFA Arcobello ----------------------------------- MacT brought in as VP of Hockey OPS June 2012 oilers sign J. Schultz

Fistric for 3rd Brown for 4th Smithson for 4th

MacT is brought in as GM

Non tenders Plante; Tuberet; Peckham; Cornet Horcoff for Larsen Perron for MP and 2nd 2014 Offers Fistric Contract ext 1.25M X 3yr Says Arcobello will get a Chance Signs Gordon Signs Ference Signs Belov Signs Labarbera Signs Jeonsuu Signs Acton Signs Grebs Claims Gazdic off Waivers Trades Brown for a 4th Trades Smid for Horak & Broisoitt Trades Labarbera for FC Signs Bryzgalov Trades Dubnyk for Hendricks Srivens acquired for 3rd Fraser for Abney& Hartikainen Trade Bryz for a 4th Fasth Acquired for a 3rd and 5th Hemsky traded for a 3rd and a 5th

Tambo was called Dithers. But MacT credits Tambo with Building a great amateur Scouting Department. Just used a need philosophy lowe rin draft. Should take the player to best produce. Always a good trade chip.

Do not buy it!

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#69 Rickithebear
April 24 2014, 01:29PM
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The fact there is a whole collection of oilernation fans that believe:

1. Facing 1st line competion and fourth line competition is the same.

2. You have the same chance of scoring a goal starting in the Offensive zone as the defensive zone.

3. Rank a Goalie on Wins and Goals against. Therefore believing goalies can drive the Ozone and Score goals Pick up a foaward driving the zone and run them into the corner.

is quite embarrasing!

Right Mr. Gregor.

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He Who Knows wrote:

I agree 100% brother. The very odd thing is that you have quite a few trashes.....hmmmm paid shills sent out by the Soviet Oilers yet again. Stay classy Oilers.

I love this statement: anybody who disagrees with me must be paid to do so. Could it be that people are trashing because these statements go so far beyond the facts that they are ridiculous? Maybe we're trashing because there's nothing new to say. Or maybe, some Oiler fans see this a little differently? I'm not saying "I love Kevin Lowe" differently, but more "there have been mistakes, but also some (admittedly not enough) good moves, and maybe there's some hope".

Even if I didn't have a different opinion, I'd trash your comment for the arrogance

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Saying the Oilers are not the Red wings is obvious and true. But how did the Red Wings get there, and more importantly, how do the Oilers get there?

The wings had a 15 year span of Oiler-like futility, during which the made the playoffs only twice and won only 1 series. 14 different head coaches in that time; sound familiar? In '83, they used the 4th overall pick to draft Yzerman, and started the 'transition period'.

In that period, the Wings made the playoffs in 6 of Stevie Y's first 8 years, and even went on some decent playoff runs, only to lose to the eventual champion Oilers. At the time, I suspect they would have wanted to swap with us. A few more early playoff exits, and some Russian imports, and the Wings make the cup final in '94. From that point on, the Wings have been 'The Wings' that we now envy.

I want the Oilers to win like the wings too, but comparing the 2014 Oilers with the 2014 wings is a little unfair. It's kind of like comparing Cory Cross to Chris Pronger, or Jones Soda to Coca Cola. First of all, there are probably 20+ teams that would love to trade places with the wings and have the luxury of keeping young talented draft picks in the minors while the big club is kickin' butt. Then break them in one at a time, where expectations for the whole team are high. I'm quite sure it's easier to take a perennial top 5 team and keep them at the top, than it is to take an AHL team with a few high end NHLers, and mold them into champions. It didn't happen overnight in Detroit.

As for Kevin Lowe? If I owned the team, he wouldn't be running it, but there's a point where facts should add some colour to the argument. There's some huge strikes against Lowe, such as Tambellini, Comrie for not-Perry, and Souray. But let's not pretend he's done nothing good.

Under Lowes watch, the Oilers have rebuilt the minor league system that we couldn't afford/maintain pre-Katz. The team has a few likely cornerstone pieces (remember the early 90's? I remember them being like right now, except instead of 14, 4 and 93, we had Kovalenko, Czerkawski, and Satan, and no reason for optimism) and we also have a healthy crop of young, up and coming, Oiler-developed defensemen waiting for a shot. As I said, not enough for me to keep Lowe, but also too much for me to blindly agree with absolutely anything anybody says, just as long as it includes Fire Lowe in it.

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#72 2015Playoffs?Nope!
April 24 2014, 03:16PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Since 2005...Oilers signed Souray, Penner, J.Schultz...not awful...And had deal with Nylander that he backed out of at last moment, blessing in disguise for them.

Osgood was signed in August for $800,000, not sure I'd say he was a major signing. Good depth signing, but at time wasn't sought after.

The Wings got new ownership and that changed things. They spent big money in the 90s and that helped for sure, but they also have had a steady stream of developing their draft picks. Even now they rarely rush guys.

You need strong leadership, and that is biggest concern in Edmonton. Do they have the right philosophy. Will MacTavish be different. We shall see.

And this little unknown player named Chris Pronger.

Which led us to one game from bringing home the SC.

we also got Michael Peca that year

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#73 Casey
April 24 2014, 03:37PM
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Lander was clearly rushed. You draft a 2-way player outta Europe and bring him over first year than make him play 6 minutes per game as a 20 year old?

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#74 blainer
April 24 2014, 04:26PM
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Raine wrote:

There are plenty of examples the Oilers have rushed, Lander isn't one of them. Lander has been given plenty of time in OKC and should of gained plenty of experience with OKC being in the playoffs quite often. Sure, he got some looks with the Oilers and that should have helped him even more. He should of seen his weakness in the NHL and worked on them in the AHL - he's been given that opportunity time and time again.

Now Captain in the AHL, I see nothing but a player being groomed and it maybe all for nothing. We likely don't have a player with a real NHL future.

I'm willing to wait, but to say the Oilers did poorly on this player and that he is/was rushed is a far cry.

I agree. Lander may have been promoted too early...but.. he should have rebounded by now. The Detroit model took years to build. They were winning and had no reason to promote all their top notch prospects. Give us time and that will happen with the Oilers also. We now have three teams to develop our prospect line. The AHL. ECHL and WHL.

To rebuild the NHL team it was said to take five years but you need to add another three in order to fill the pipeline. At that point you have the competition at all levels which makes for great development. Also after watching the game last night I have to say Nurse will probably be going back to Junior. He is in tough to make the team out of camp... IMO.. I think he will be a good player but can you imagine a 2nd line of Nuchiskin, Reinhart and Yak...

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#75 Oiler Al
April 24 2014, 04:52PM
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Lets get real here, nice guy, but Lander is a lot closer to Dud, then Stud.

He cant skate that well, cant shoot that well, and isnt that tough, face offs arent that great... what is he bringing to the game.

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#76 M22
April 24 2014, 06:11PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Thank you,Edmonton seems to have an issue with hiring experienced people.They just don't.The only explanation I have been able to think of is Lowe not wanting to hire anyone who could pose a threat to him.

10,000,000% correct.

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#77 etownman
April 24 2014, 07:51PM
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The Detroit model? During the early 90's the Wings were a dreadful defensive team! Yzerman was a sensational offensive player but didn't really have a clue where his own end of the ice was. Something happened in the early 90's when small market teams could not afford their high end talent & Little Caesar's was spending like crazy.

Players like Coffey, Ciccarelli, Larionov, Chelios, Brett Hull, Robitaille, Hasek to name a few found there way to the Wings. Add Scotty Bowman, the RUssian five & that's a powerful team. Money does talk! The Wing payroll was easily in the 70 to 80 million range.

So yes, they didn't have to rush players like Datsyuk & Zetterberg to the lineup & they didn't have to take on significant roles in their first 3 years but look at the guys who were playing ahead of them? The Wings & other team big spenders benefitted greatly at the expense of teams like the Oilers, Flames, Whalers etc.

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#78 Oilers
April 24 2014, 11:44PM
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MattL wrote:

I'm a little tired of hearing about the Detroit model. They are still in the hangover period from being able to spend more money than anyone else. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and Lidstrom before he retired were all products of the golden age of spending, and their "development strategy" has come from the luxury of years of stacked teams and a "winning culture" being attractive to free agents. Not to mention the ability to lure and keep a coach like Mike Babcock.

In the cap era, you would expect these advantages to slowly start disappearing, and the Wings to fall back into the pack, which is exactly what's happening. If their system is so superior, why are they suddenly average? In 5 years they'll have exactly the same problems as the other 29 teams in the league.

Well since Lowe has been with the oilers both teams have been consistent. One has success and makes the playoffs. The other team we talk about here every spring.

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#79 MattL
April 25 2014, 10:19AM
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Well since Lowe has been with the oilers both teams have been consistent. One has success and makes the playoffs. The other team we talk about here every spring.

Ok, Detroit'll have the same problems as 28 of the other teams. The Oil will always have their own special problems...

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#80 Bill
April 25 2014, 07:42PM
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Listen stop with the propaganda. The oilers suck. The management sucks. I'm pretty sure you wrote a similar article a year ago about how we suck at developing players..... We prob even screwed up Nuge Hall and Yak.... Ie. let's compare the other first rounders and see what they have done with their careers

Point being. Gregor you suck, the oilers suck, Edmonton sucks. I love pussy

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#81 Darn it!
April 27 2014, 12:12PM
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Jason Gregor. What is this. You got nothing better to do. You usually do your home work. You of all people know that the Oilers have and will continue to rush players into the lineup. Lowe and pals still think it's the 1980's. Its a joke what they do to the careers of these kids and you know it

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