What happens if Aaron Ekblad falls to the Oilers?

Jonathan Willis
April 25 2014 07:48AM

Ekblad

The Edmonton Oilers don’t really need defensive prospects – the organizational cupboard is loaded there. But if Aaron Ekblad, a potential franchise defenceman, falls to the team in the No. 3 slot at this summer’s draft, it’s going to be awfully hard for the club to pick somebody else.

How would the addition of Ekblad impact the rest of Edmonton’s summer planning?

Ekblad + the Current NHL Depth Chart

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The Oilers have five defencemen we can be reasonably confident will return for next season. Justin Schultz and Jeff Petry are the only locks on the right side, while on the left side Andrew Ference, Martin Marincin and probably Oscar Klefbom (over Darnell Nurse) are tagged for NHL jobs.

Ekblad, variably listed at 6’3” or 6’4” and over 210 pounds, is a do-everything defenceman with a right-handed shot who plays on the right side, so there probably isn’t a lot of concern about him being physically ready for NHL duty and there’s a natural home for him on the starboard half of the third pairing if he makes the jump immediately.

There’s an awful lot of green in that mix, though: three guys with less than a full season of experience, plus Schultz, plus Petry. Presumably Petry and Marincin would be reunited, after which the Oilers would have the option of going with a veteran (Ference/Schultz) and a rookie (Klefbom/Ekblad) pairing or splitting the two (Ference with Ekblad, Schultz with Klefbom).

None of that says ‘playoff calibre defence,' which is why the GM might look at another option. 

Delay?

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If the Oilers draft Ekblad, they’re looking at adding a minimum of four rookie defencemen in a span of two-to-three seasons: Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin and whoever sneaks through from a pretty good group of second-tier prospects (Dillon Simpson, Martin Gernat, David Musil, Brandon Davidson).

Delaying Ekblad for a season is a possibility that doesn’t help much in that regard; it would just mean the Oilers breaking in Nurse and Ekblad together in 2015-16.

When Craig MacTavish said “if we have to go young, we go young” with respect to the defence corps he was being pressured by two realities – the first (widely acknowledged) that it’s difficult to add impact defencemen and the second (less so) that at some point the Oilers are going to absorb the NHL learning curve of a lot of young defenders.

The longer those players get to develop outside the NHL, the less stressful that learning curve is going to be, but it’s difficult to imagine a scenario (other than collapse on the part of the players) where Ekblad/Nurse are held outside the NHL longer than 2015-16.

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It already seems entirely plausible that at some point in the not too distant future, one of the Oilers’ young up-and-coming defencemen will be cashed in for immediate help. The addition of Ekblad would make that even more likely (as would a trade of the No. 3 pick for someone like Griffin Reinhart).

Who would go? Probably the low man on the draft pedigree totem pole. Marincin consistently lags behind Klefbom in the public comments made by the general manager, and presumably he falls well below not only the Swedish rookie but also back of Nurse and Ekblad, our hypothetical addition.

Marincin’s already presumably in significant danger, as he’s competing with Nurse and Klefbom for a job on the left side of the defence. The addition of another young defenceman would probably seal his fate, as it would exacerbate Edmonton's need to simultaneously acquire and clear a spot for a veteran, two moves that a Marincin trade could bring about in one transaction. 

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#1 Jon
April 25 2014, 08:16AM
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Trade yak and Marincin for the first. Draft Eckblad and then with the number 3 take either Rienhart or Bennett. Very young but solid D and first second lines for years to come.

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#2 mayorblaine
April 25 2014, 07:55AM
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well duh, they take Draisaitl anyway.

shouldn't, but do.

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#3 blainer
April 25 2014, 08:18AM
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The cupboardis full of defense prospects right now. We need some size at center or even on the wing...Dal Colle..Ekblad may be that stud defender or he may be Cam Barker..Imagine if Ekblad falls to us and we had drafted Nichuskin. Our Second line of Nich, Statsny and Yak..then Ekblad in Nurses place..oh well gotta go get that crytlal Ball...

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#4 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 09:18AM
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This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

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#5 Air on Egg blood
April 25 2014, 03:44PM
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I think you are asking the wrong question JW. Florida will take Ekblad for sure, as he is not only the BPA, but they took Barkov instead of Seth Jones last year and likely won't make the same move this year.

The question should be: what would it take from the Oilers to pry Gudbranson out of Florida? If Dale Tallon asks for Eberle + Klefbom, should they pull the trigger? Hummm. It seems to me that if Florida indeed takes Ekblad, they are the perfect partner to make a "bold move".

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#6 Joe
April 25 2014, 08:19AM
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Oilers fans have convinced themselves that Ekblad is already a Norris trophy winner. They need good news so badly that they have deluded themselves

As far as trading the pick for Reinhart Griffith that would be a mistake, he is a slow skater and will have huge problems in the NHL. Oilers already have slow D-men in the AHL.

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#7 Jimmer
April 25 2014, 07:52PM
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Ekblad, Eberle, Petry to Nashville for Weber.

A lot to pay but guess what....you are getting a stud in his prime.

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#8 Oilers
April 25 2014, 01:08PM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

Yes and no, overall, management of the Oilers is clueless.

What I am finding our more and more is the Oilers fans are ignorant dreamers with no self confidence to stand up and speak out for better management.

Let the "trash" button begin!!

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#9 Oilergasm
April 25 2014, 03:12PM
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If Ekblad falls to the Oil, maybe convert Justin Schultz to a winger. Bigger body in the top 6 with a scoring touch.

Sign an experienced D to help out. There seem to be many 3-4-5 types available via free agency. (Meszaros, Klesla, Niskanen, Orpik, Quincey and Greene)

That opens up the potential to move out some bodies in the top 6 for some size (Michalek, Moulson, Callahan, Kulemin)and a better 2C.

Everyone questions which of our top pick do we trade? Why not offer up Perron, his stock will never be higher and he is a prime candidate to be the whipping boy.

Move out Perron and Gagner for some high end 3rd liners or a big 2C. Would you rather have an undersized inefficient 2nd line that can't win any battles, play defense or win faceoffs and no 3rd line, or a good or great 3rd line and size on the 2nd line?

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#10 Ed in Edmonton
April 25 2014, 12:16PM
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OilersDynasty wrote:

You take Ekblad. Doesn't matter if we have defensive depth and strength. Add to it and make a trade using other assets. Simple as that.

Or just trade the pick and cut out the middle man,

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#11 Jackson
April 25 2014, 09:34AM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

I wonder what Kevin Lowe does when he reads this. Wait a minute I doubt he can read he does not even know the definition of winning.

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#12 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 10:10AM
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Honestly, if Ekblad falls to the No. 3 pick, the Oilers should pick him and run up to the rooftop of whatever arena they’re in and sing the praises of Lady Luck for all the world to hear.

Listen – there are a whole bunch of reasons why the Oilers should pick Ekblad if they can, not the least of which is that there are still no guarantees that the “organizational cupboard is loaded” at all.

Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse, Simpson – these are all just prospects at varying stages of development. They’re all promising players, but that’s all they’re offering right now – promise. It’s way too early in their development to be able to declare that the blueline is locked up for the next 10 years.

Right now, the Oilers need an infusion of elite talent and/or size at every position.

They need an elite big-body centre. They need an elite power-forward. They need an elite two-day big-minute rearguard.

And if they can’t trade for any of those kinds of players (and if none of the afformentioned prospects takes a quantum leap in September), they need to draft it. Ekblad is a guy you draft, no matter what.

Just hand him the Norris trophy. Ekblad has not played 1 professional game in his life.

Some scouts have Ekblad ranked anywhere from 5- 8 if he was in last years draft.

Until you fix the culture/management you will continue to see bad results

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#13 The Real Scuba Steve
April 25 2014, 08:01AM
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He's going 1st.

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#14 Gordie Wayne
April 25 2014, 08:09AM
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Oh, and my second choice in this draft is Leon Draisatl. I know alot of people are going ga-ga for Bennett right now because of his "truculence" and his "grit" but when you watch Draisaitl, you can see that big C the Oilers have been needing for years. This guy has a great shot, and his vision is incredible. The passes he makes are crazy...I can see Yak just sniping one-timers all day long with this guy setting him up. And the way he goes to the net is incredible, so strong and protects the puck so well, this guy is a future star.

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#15 Zarny
April 25 2014, 09:58AM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

LMAO...yeah the 80 pts in 75 games for Hall is a disaster. And 65 pts for Eberle? Complete train-wreck.

You should probably actually read the Bloomberg article since you seem to have completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with "ruining players".

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#16 Oilers
April 25 2014, 01:04PM
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blainer wrote:

The cupboardis full of defense prospects right now. We need some size at center or even on the wing...Dal Colle..Ekblad may be that stud defender or he may be Cam Barker..Imagine if Ekblad falls to us and we had drafted Nichuskin. Our Second line of Nich, Statsny and Yak..then Ekblad in Nurses place..oh well gotta go get that crytlal Ball...

Using the Oilers past history as a metric, I would say the "cupboard" is full of overhyped talent that will "mature" and flourish on another team.

Fire Lowe

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#18 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 09:58AM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

1 + 1 = 2, except if your a Oiler fan . Go ahead trash the facts.

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#19 Quicksilver ballet
April 25 2014, 12:32PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

I would have a summer of nightmares if Ekblad fell to Calgary.

Or Bennett for that matter.

We've had enough soft euro types (Draisaitl) go through here.

It doesn't matter how big the marshmallow is when you pull it from the bag. When the temperature rises, they all get roasted.

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#20 Great One
April 25 2014, 08:42AM
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It's simple. Draft Bennett. Allow our d to develop and in a couple years we should be able to make some noise. Need to add solid grinders in the meantime.

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#21 Zarny
April 25 2014, 09:31AM
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There is no successful reality where the Oilers bring in 4 rookie D over 2 years. Young players make mistakes and struggle with consistency. That's why contenders are built around 24-30 y/o. We've seen first-hand the disaster of young players not having veteran support on F. To repeat such folly on D would be the definition of insanity.

If Ekblad is available the Oilers have 2 paths they can follow to success.

Plan A should be to trade the pick (Ekblad) with very specific criteria. I would force David Poile to utter the words "Shea Weber is not available". I would ask Stan Bowman about his succession plan involving Seabrook and Keith. I would send Marc Bergevin a video compilation of every instance PK Subban was showboating. I'd talk to Phx about OEL and I'd talk to several GM's about some 1-2 C.

Plan B would be to pick Ekblad as a bookend for Nurse. It would then be imperative to insulate them with veteran D in their prime. They can't be expected to be 1-2 D for 3-4 years and the Oilers can't wait. One of Marincin & Klefbom and one of Petry & Schultz would need to be traded for a Myers or Coburn etc. and/or packaged for a 2C.

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#22 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 10:25AM
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Zarny wrote:

No, Hall would be a much better player if he had better teammates and more veteran support...like an actual top-pairing D.

Straw man argument . Working for a horrible organization , workers do not thrive. You want to change the facts to support your conclusion but reality is this is the team. If the best players in the world were on the Oilers Hall would be better. 1+1 =2

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#23 Rick Stroppel
April 25 2014, 09:57AM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT

This article appeared in "Bloomberg Businessweek". These people have no reason to slant anything. The criteria is not just success, it is the VALUE the team achieves in results based on the money spent. Edmonton ranks SECOND LAST amoung the 122 teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL.

I have previously suggested that the Oilers were, objectively speaking, amoung the worst franchises in NA professional sport, along with teams like the Cleveland Browns, Houston Astros and Minnesota Timberwolves.

And our sporting press tells us, basically, that everything is "right on schedule" and we need to be "patient". Since when is missing the playoffs eight years in a row and going from 24th to 28th place overall "progress"?

And the arrogant, incompetent jackasses who run the team just keep rolling along. They know a little bit about winning. Half the teams in the league would trade their roster for ours. If ever there's a concern. Etc.

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#24 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 10:03AM
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Zarny wrote:

LMAO...yeah the 80 pts in 75 games for Hall is a disaster. And 65 pts for Eberle? Complete train-wreck.

You should probably actually read the Bloomberg article since you seem to have completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with "ruining players".

Yeah, you work for the worst organization in any field and you think this helps the players. Hall would be a much better player with a better organization

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#25 Quicksilver ballet
April 25 2014, 10:50AM
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If we need to, we'll go young. Craig MacTavish last week, or something similar to that.

So, we need the blueliner, AND a center. Perhaps Craig will move heaven and earth and get both. The current mix certainly appears to be lacking in these areas. Do whatever possible to get both Ekblad and Bennett.

The fanbase certainly appears on board with this process. In really the only aspect that counts, the Oilers are a box office smash hit that will further sustain the ushering in of countless blue chip prospects.

There's no denying Hall,Hopkins,Yakupov,Eberle,Marincin,Nurse,Klefbom,Ekblad,Bennett and McDavid will have the Oil at the top of the league in 5 trs. There's no urgency to be nothing more than first round road kill in 2 or 3 yrs. Trading that 3rd in June for a Ben Lovejoy type is utter nonsense. Continue the process of bringing in new blood till you find the right mix. Ekblad and Bennett will further this process.

Do whatever you have to Craig. Ekblad and Bennett, plus what you can achieve July 1st is more than enough for me.

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#26 Rama Lama
April 25 2014, 09:47AM
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I have a solution for Marincin..........eat lots of chocolate, donuts, and potatoes until you fill out.

Stop listening to Eakins and you will be fine.

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#27 RexHolez
April 25 2014, 02:27PM
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I fail to see how an 18 year old power play specialist Dman would help the oilers. Especially when you consider the high percentage of top rated dman who fail to live up to expectation. Bennet to me is the obvious choice, but then again I'd be trying to win sooner than 5 years from now.

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#28 Copper
April 25 2014, 06:05PM
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Too many Oiler fans under value Oilers and over value players from other teams Ganger is a proven top 6 NHL centre. All stats but FO% proves it. Petry was our best Dman last year bar none. Legit 2nd pairing but had to play out of order as no one else could handle the mins. Every team but 2 (CHI & STL) is looking to improve D including top pair. These top pairing Dmen are drafted & developed for the most part. Some (Suter) sign as UFA's. rare is one traded. And when they are, it's not for much. Eg. Pronger was twic traded in his prime for b prospects & draft picks. A third time for failed 1st rounder & more picks.

Can't ruin future for present. How has that worked for Leafs These past 47 years?

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#29 Quicksilver ballet
April 25 2014, 11:02AM
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Jon wrote:

Trade yak and Marincin for the first. Draft Eckblad and then with the number 3 take either Rienhart or Bennett. Very young but solid D and first second lines for years to come.

Amen brother.

Oiler have very little going on that right side blueliner spot. Ekblad is the best possible start. Even though Dillon Simpson shots left, he also prefers to play that right side. Simpson will also see considerable NHL time this coming season.

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#30 Gordie Wayne
April 25 2014, 08:05AM
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Last night I spent a couple hours watching youtube videos of Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl, and Ekblad. After watching them, it is obvious to me that Ekblad is the top of this draft...I am always agianst taking a defenceman over a forward early in the draft, but not this year.

Ekblad is a beast and in my opinion a sure-fire future #1 defenceman. He is the 1st defenceman to receive exceptional status as a 15 year old in the OHL, and he is just an amazing all around defenceman. Great size, great shot, excellent vision, great leader, this guy is a future NHL captain.

How often do the Oilers get a shot at a #1 defenceman (in the draft, in UFA, in trades)? This is the Oilers chance, and I think they should take it.

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#31 Neilio
April 25 2014, 08:48AM
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You take Ekblad and laugh all the way to the bank. Marincin, Klefbom, maybe even Nurse and all the others will likely not be as good as Ekblad. Sure there is lots of rookie blue, but thats blue chip talent. Thats a nice problem to have. The fact that Petry and Schultz are not merely the only RHD locks on the roster for next year, they are probably the only ones left in the system, is something that worries me. Larsen and Fedun are the only other options, RFA and UFA respectively. People say our center depth is bad. Look at the right side defence. We don't even like what we have left! Anyway, the draft is about getting talent into your system. Nobody we draft is going to help this team win for years after you get them despite the high hopes. We have proven that, without a doubt, year after year.

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#32 admiralmark
April 25 2014, 09:12AM
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Why trade players before there true value is known or achieved? Its selling low on Marincin at this point. Marincin right now looks as good or better then Klefbom. Maybe Klefbom will be better? But thats not the point. Marincin right now is a solid 2nd pairing D. Everyone goes crazy over Brayden Coburn who is a 2nd pairing D or a just ok 1st pairing D and we want to sell the farm for him. Just makes no sense at this point. Bring Marincin, Klefbom, Ekblad, and Nurse to camp. Take the top 3 Top performers in preseason to start on the club and send the other one to Junior or OKC depending on who its is. Match Petry, Shultz and a veteran D that MacT(MUST!) pick up in the off season to play with those 3 and you have 3 pairings. If by the trade deadline someone comes knocking reassess at that point. But at least you will have a better idea of his value.

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#33 Jackson
April 25 2014, 10:01AM
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Rick Stroppel wrote:

OBJECTIVE ASSESSMENT

This article appeared in "Bloomberg Businessweek". These people have no reason to slant anything. The criteria is not just success, it is the VALUE the team achieves in results based on the money spent. Edmonton ranks SECOND LAST amoung the 122 teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL.

I have previously suggested that the Oilers were, objectively speaking, amoung the worst franchises in NA professional sport, along with teams like the Cleveland Browns, Houston Astros and Minnesota Timberwolves.

And our sporting press tells us, basically, that everything is "right on schedule" and we need to be "patient". Since when is missing the playoffs eight years in a row and going from 24th to 28th place overall "progress"?

And the arrogant, incompetent jackasses who run the team just keep rolling along. They know a little bit about winning. Half the teams in the league would trade their roster for ours. If ever there's a concern. Etc.

The results are based on the last 5 years imagine if they did it for the last 8 years. I'm sure Oilers would have won the crown of the worst run team in professional sports.

Now I understand KLowe winning.

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#34 #ThereGoesTheOilers
April 25 2014, 04:20PM
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Jeffff wrote:

This is all you need to know about the Oilers.

Who is the second least efficient team in all North American sports?

Answer : The Edmonton Oilers

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/04/24/the-second-least-efficient-team-in-all-north-american-team-sports-here-come-the-oilers/

Does not matter who they draft , Oilers are one of the worst run teams in the world of professional sports.

THEY RUIN PLAYERS.

Funny point of view to have when so many of our former players (traded away for so little to show) are making such significant contributions in the playoffs as we speak.

Team mismanagement does not = ineffective players.

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#35 seanjohn667
April 25 2014, 09:34PM
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what happens? Mact runs to the podium the second Buffalo gets off the stage and picks Ecklad, then giggles all the way home!!

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#36 Racki
April 25 2014, 09:18AM
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Oh man, if Ekblad is available at 3,i will donate a kidney. OK, probably not... But I just don't see Ekblad going anything but #1... #2 at worst. I would be elated if he fell to 3 though. I don't care what this team has in the cupboatds . They don't have a complete D man, so adding that to our stockpile would be amazing.

The Oilers will have to consider moving some players for a solid veteran no matter what happens at the draft though. Going all youth again is asking for disaster.

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#37 Zarny
April 25 2014, 09:43AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Keep all the young defencemen.We have to many good defencemen said no team ever.

True, but while Edm contemplates drafting a top-pairing D Col doesn't have to because they sent a young prospect in Shattenkirk to acquire a former #1 D who is now 25 and a stud.

After Pit drafted Crosby, Malkin and Staal Shero has focused their 1st round picks on D: Derrick Pouliot, Olli Maatta, Joe Morrow and Simon Despres. Maatta has made the team. Joe Morrow was traded for Brendan Morrow. There are consistent rumors both Pouliot and Despres will be moved too.

After drafting Drew Doughty the Kings traded Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter and a Stanley Cup.

You can also add that no team has ever won with a D core anchored by 22 y/o.

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#38 Zarny
April 25 2014, 10:04AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I have a solution for Marincin..........eat lots of chocolate, donuts, and potatoes until you fill out.

Stop listening to Eakins and you will be fine.

Chocolate and donuts? Umm sorry but no elite athlete bulks up with garbage food. Try steak, chicken breast and protein shakes unless you want him to look like Bubba Byfuglien.

And if there is one thing Marincin should listen to Eakins about it's off-season training. He's a Gary Roberts vintage and one of the only reasons Eakins had a cup of coffee in the NHL was that he's a fitness freak.

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#39 Zarny
April 25 2014, 10:17AM
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Neilio wrote:

You take Ekblad and laugh all the way to the bank. Marincin, Klefbom, maybe even Nurse and all the others will likely not be as good as Ekblad. Sure there is lots of rookie blue, but thats blue chip talent. Thats a nice problem to have. The fact that Petry and Schultz are not merely the only RHD locks on the roster for next year, they are probably the only ones left in the system, is something that worries me. Larsen and Fedun are the only other options, RFA and UFA respectively. People say our center depth is bad. Look at the right side defence. We don't even like what we have left! Anyway, the draft is about getting talent into your system. Nobody we draft is going to help this team win for years after you get them despite the high hopes. We have proven that, without a doubt, year after year.

And yet if Ekblad was in last year's draft he might have been ranked below Nurse given his even strength numbers lag Darnell's.

That's something many seem to miss. No one in this draft is considered exceptional. If they were in last year's draft no one likely goes top 5 . Ekblad isn't considered to be the next Drew Doughty. Maybe Victor Hedman but he could also be Adam Larsson. He's the best D in the draft but so were Larsson and Gudbranson. Ryan Murray was considered the best D in 2012. Hampus Lindholm and Olli Maatta have both been better so far.

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#40 Zarny
April 25 2014, 10:20AM
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Jeffff wrote:

Yeah, you work for the worst organization in any field and you think this helps the players. Hall would be a much better player with a better organization

No, Hall would be a much better player if he had better teammates and more veteran support...like an actual top-pairing D.

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#41 Spydyr
April 25 2014, 08:26AM
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Keep all the young defencemen.We have to many good defencemen said no team ever.

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#42 paulghar
April 25 2014, 08:50AM
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Eckblad Bennett Reinhart

On All lists rank between 1-3

Drasiatl ranked 4,4,4,6 right from oilers website. I'm not a genius or anything but you gotta take the guys that CSS, ISS, Redline, button and Mckenizie put out. Take BPA no doubt. Draisatl shouldn't even be in the discussion, no other draft pick should be we pick 3rd not 4/5.

Any of those three will do and one has to be available. I choose Eckblad first but we also need a center.

Don't move Marincin hes going to be real good, makes no sense to move an actual NHL player because we might have someone better in the future. Move some of those second tier defense with "potential" if we don't have room for them. Let Nurse and Klefbom develop longer. Ference contract is only 2 more years....

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#43 Jeffff
April 25 2014, 10:37AM
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The Beaker wrote:

I think you guys are both pushing opposite ends of the same wet noodle up a hill.

I don't think so. Zarny wants to move the goal posts.

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#44 The Beaker
April 25 2014, 10:41AM
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Jeffff wrote:

I don't think so. Zarny wants to move the goal posts.

Sure from what I've read it seems like the argument is "the organization kills players because they dont get good players" and then "the players would be better if you gave them better players"

Then theres other minor details that make both sides mad

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#45 Bob Cob
April 25 2014, 11:13AM
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If Ekblad falls you take Ekblad despite the prospects the Oilers have, you don't let him get to Calgary.

That question doesn't have to be answered its rhetorical, it goes with questions like, "If your on a date and the girl asks you up for coffee at midnight or later, do you go?" Yes you go up, you don't pull a George Costanza because beggars can't be choosers and neither can the Oilers should Ekblad still be there at 3.

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#46 Zarny
April 25 2014, 11:15AM
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The Beaker wrote:

Sure from what I've read it seems like the argument is "the organization kills players because they dont get good players" and then "the players would be better if you gave them better players"

Then theres other minor details that make both sides mad

Nope.

First, the Bloomberg article had nothing to do with "ruining players". Hence my comment that Jeffff should actually read the article.

Second, the Oilers don't "kill" players. See Hall , Eberle and Nuge. Hockey however, is a team game. The holes in the kids' games would be drastically mitigated if they ever stepped on the ice with a D pair that actually belonged playing against top NHL lines or they had a 2nd line that could actually be effective.

If that wasn't the case TB wouldn't have finished 28th last year with the top 2 scorers in the league. And Pit would have won more than 1 Cup in the last 8 years with Crosby and Malkin.

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#47 The Real Scuba Steve
April 25 2014, 01:34PM
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Jackson wrote:

I wonder what Kevin Lowe does when he reads this. Wait a minute I doubt he can read he does not even know the definition of winning.

Kevin Lowe read the article then gasp!, then looked at his 6 rings And then went into a euphoric smiling like daze and then read the comics.

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#48 Cold Hard Truth
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Zarny wrote:

Nope.

First, the Bloomberg article had nothing to do with "ruining players". Hence my comment that Jeffff should actually read the article.

Second, the Oilers don't "kill" players. See Hall , Eberle and Nuge. Hockey however, is a team game. The holes in the kids' games would be drastically mitigated if they ever stepped on the ice with a D pair that actually belonged playing against top NHL lines or they had a 2nd line that could actually be effective.

If that wasn't the case TB wouldn't have finished 28th last year with the top 2 scorers in the league. And Pit would have won more than 1 Cup in the last 8 years with Crosby and Malkin.

There is something to the 'ruining players' argument.

As you pointed out, the holes in the lineup undoubtedly effect the play of the Oilers' high-end talent (Hall, RNH, Eberle). And with all the losing that has resulted in the various holes in the lineup, it's not a stretch to suggest that it has stunted, or at the very least has not been helpful to the kids' development. The holes in the lineup (i.e. no defence, no centre depth) is the result of poor management. So yes, in a way the organization has 'ruined' the players.

Even with their high point totals, the young core is atrocious at their defensive game. This is a result of poor development/coaching, which in turn is a management issue.

The Oilers have a knack for taking what is considered an asset and depreciating it as it goes through the system. A perfect example is Yakupov. He was the first overall pick and could have fetched a large return if the Oilers had traded him. Now, his value has plummeted.

It will be the same for whoever the Oilers draft this year.

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#49 Britts94
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What about Marincin for Kevin Miller from the B's? Is that just right, too much to give up, or not enough back?

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#50 crabman
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Woogie63 wrote:

We are in a nice place, the first three picks appear to be equal in talent. The good news is we need help at centre and defence.

I worry about Ekbald a bit, he is basically a man (6-3, 210 lbs) playing against young 16-17-18 boys. This size advantage is huge in the CHL (think Phaneuf) and not as much in the NHL (think Phaneuf).

After RNH (who is still a prospect) who is our best prospect at center???

Ekblad entered the OHL as a 15 year old through the exceptional player rule. This doesn't happen often, so that says a lot about the player right there. He plays much more mature than the average 17 year old and supposedly has a very high hockey IQ so I think he will make the adjustment to the NHL fairly well. As for the comparison to Phaneuf, Phaneuf is built like the perfect D man, he is big and strong, he can skate and has a mean streak and isn't afraid to drop the gloves. Unfortunately for him and the Maple Leafs he is an idiot and makes bad decisions.

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