Don't overvalue Griffin Reinhart

Jonathan Willis
April 27 2014 07:00AM

I don’t know where it’s coming from, but Edmonton is abuzz with talk of a trade that would see the Oilers move their third overall pick in this year’s draft to the New York Islanders in exchange for Griffin Reinhart, the fourth overall pick in 2012.

It strikes me as a bad idea.

The Arguments

Bob Stauffer had two guests on his show bring up the subject recently – TSN scout (and former NHL G.M.) Craig Button and the Edmonton Journal’s Jim Matheson. Terry Jones wrote about the possibility in the Edmonton Sun, and David Staples riffed on that in a follow-up piece on the Journal’s website.

Jones’ argument can be summarized by one paragraph from that column:

Lord knows the Oilers need a ready-to-play-in-the-NHL shutdown defenceman. And if you've been watching the Oil Kings this season and especially this playoff season, Reinhart seems to be exactly what they're looking for.

Staples argument against can be shortened even further, to two words: Colten Teubert. (I highly recommend the video above in the context of this discussion; it's included because the TSN commentary is fascinating in hindsight.)

Production

Player Draft League Draft-1 Draft Draft+1 Draft+2
Griffin Reinhart 4th, 2012 WHL 46 51 40 38
Ryan Murray 2nd, 2012 WHL 54 55 61 NHL
Erik Gudbranson 3rd, 2010 OHL 29 46 63 NHL
Jared Cowen 9th, 2009 WHL 22 36 42 68
Luke Schenn 5th, 2008 WHL 33 40 NHL NHL
Karl Alzner 5th, 2007 WHL 28 61 49 AHL/NHL
Keaton Ellerby 10th, 2007 WHL 10 30 31 AHL
Braydon Coburn 8th, 2003 WHL 45 29 45 60
Dion Phaneuf 9th, 2003 WHL 21 35 57 83
Colten Teubert 13th, 2008 WHL 14 29 51 55

The chart above shows every major junior defenceman since 2000 to be selected in the top 10 spots of the NHL draft while posting an 82-game offensive total not more than 10 points above that of Reinhart in his draft year (in deference to Staples, I’ve included Colten Teubert as well).

It isn’t a bad list, until we get to the season two years post-draft, the season Reinhart is completing now. To a man, every one of these defenceman (almost all of them defensive defenders at the NHL level) were posting 50-plus point seasons (per 82 games) in junior or had graduated to the professional ranks. The only exception is Reinhart, whose offence fell sharply in his first post-draft season and has continued to stagnate.

Now, there are roughly 1,000,000 things points by a defenceman don’t tell us. Points miss big chunks of the picture with forwards, and they miss even more of it with defencemen.

But here’s the rub: hockey can’t be neatly divided into offence and defence. Shutdown players don’t leave the ice when their team gets possession of the puck. So a lack of offence at the junior level either means a lack of ability (i.e. they can’t shoot and can’t pass) or it means they’re spending their entire time in the defensive zone. That’s why players who turn into shutdown types in the NHL generally score in junior; they may primarily be playing a defensive game, but a successful defensive game generally also equates to points.

So it’s a little troubling that Reinhart is getting lapped offensively by a guy like Teubert at the same age. It’s particularly unnerving when somebody like Central Scouting director Dan Marr (in the video above) is comparing him to defencemen like Paul Reinhart (who flirted with a point-per-game pace in the 1980’s) and Alex Edler (who had posted 49 points in the year the video was made).

At best, Reinhart isn’t the player he was projected to be when the Islanders drafted him. Just like a new car that depreciates the moment its buyer drives it off the lot, that suggests the Oilers shouldn't have to pay the same price (well, more, technically) than the Islanders did to add the player. It's also worth remembering that the Oilers have a pile of good defensive prospects still in the pipeline. 

It simply doesn’t make sense to move an asset like the third overall pick to acquire Reinhart. It may not make sense to trade for him at all. It’s great that the Oilers get the inside information that comes with owning the Oil Kings, but that doesn’t mean they have to trade for every prospect who ever wore the jersey of that team.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Sliderule
April 27 2014, 07:55AM
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Trading the third overall for Reinhart would ultimately prove to be a firing offense.

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#2 Citizen David
April 27 2014, 08:03AM
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Griffin Reinhart is a left defenseman that will probably top off as a Smid. We have Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom, and Simpson that I'd all rank as better. It would be a ridiculous trade. Absolutely horrible.

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#3 gr8one
April 27 2014, 07:18AM
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Man...If they trade this pick for Griffin Reinhart the camels back may actually be irreversibly crumpled in my my eyes.

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#4 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
April 27 2014, 07:38AM
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I get the sentiment of trading a good pick for another good pick a few years developed, but for Griffin Reinhart??

This closed-minded fascination with acquiring players the same way they're acquiring front office staff is insane.

There are good junior/AHL players outside of what this management team is exposed to and is comfortable with, just like there are excellent coaching/management candidates outside of Oilers' alumni.

This attitude has to change before the Oilers have a sniff at becoming a real NHL team.

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#5 Sizzay
April 27 2014, 10:03AM
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Thank you for posting this!

Somebody texted into Gregor's show to trade yakupov for griffin Reinhart. Face palm.

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#6 Jadyn
April 27 2014, 08:25AM
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Reinhart is a slow skater for the NHL. He will not be a top 4 d-man in the NHL.

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#7 bazmagoo
April 27 2014, 11:14AM
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@geeker99

Nuge is 21 years old, and is forced to play 1st line minutes because we have no depth/nobody else to play those minutes. Cut the kid some slack dude, he's a great player and is maturing/improving every year. In 2/3 years he'll be one of the top 10 first line centers in the league, in my opinion.

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#8 oilers2k10
April 27 2014, 09:56AM
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Finally someone in the media is making sense and has actual numbers to back up his point.

3rd overall should land us an elite player..top 5 should land you a great top 4 dman or at the very least top 6 forward. Two years after his draft season and Reinhart looks more like a 5-6 guy than a top 4. Pass.

Use the pick..take Ekblad, Draisaitl or Bennett.

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#11 geeker99
April 27 2014, 10:44AM
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Am I the only one that thinks that Nuge is not a #1 center? Don't get me wrong that he is positionally a good center but is not close physically. Would love to see a mentor moved in for to him learn off and pump iron with.

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#12 season not played
April 27 2014, 08:16AM
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Because they don't have enough left handed defence prospects....I think the Islanders would love a redo on this pick given that they passed on Morgan Reilly and Jacob Trouba to name two defencemen from that draft that look like they will bring a more well rounded game then Reinhart. Trading the third overall this year for this player would be flat out idiotic. That is precisely why this rumour is so scary. This management group is incompetent enough to go ahead and make this deal.

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#13 IslesFan
April 27 2014, 06:21PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

If the Isles got offered the 3rd OV for Reinhart they'd be stupid not to take the deal.

But hey, you never know. Poor management is something the Islanders and Oilers both have plenty of familiarity with.

They'd be stupid not to take the deal? Why is that, exactly?

Like the Oilers, the Islanders have a bunch of young, exciting prospects, and a lot of people believe with a few changes (such as an upgrade in goal), we can compete ASAP. We'll need to, as Buffalo will most likely have our 2015 1st rounder as part of the Vanek trade.

With many smallish defensemen in the system, the Islanders badly need a defensive anchor who can protect a lead. Obviously Reinhart is a physical defenseman, and there are many others in our system who have the potential to bring offense from the blueline. Reinhart is not one of those players: we're more looking for him to turn into our team's Ryan Suter.

In terms of development, he's done nothing but exceed expectations since being drafted two years ago. He's captained the Oil Kings to a WHL final and has been praised for his shutdown defensive work all series. Beat reporters for the Islanders say Reinhart is the favorite to earn a spot out of training camp next year.

Why then, would we trade him for the third overall to pick another forward? The way this draft is shaping up with high-end forward prospects in the top 10, we're already going to pick up somebody with the fifth pick. We don't need another, not with Tavares, Okposo, Strome, Nelson, Lee and other young talented forwards who've already cemented themselves in the lineup.

Trading Reinhart for the 3rd overall sets back the rebuild. Do we take Sam Bennett, wait until 2017 and then trade him for a 1st round pick? At a certain point you have to trust in the blue chip prospects you draft, and I fully believe the Islanders have enough trust in Reinhart that it would be a very easy pass from Snow on this proposed trade.

Nevermind not a single person close to the Islanders has made any mention of Reinhart being on the trade block or the Isles looking to get rid of him. When Nino was acting up, the story leaked everywhere. All I've heard from anybody involved is that there's definite hype surrounding this kid's NHL debut.

I doubt you can come up with some proof from Long Island sources saying Reinhart is on the outs, or that Snow would look to move him in the offseason. Like the Oilers, the Islanders have spent too many years rebuilding and taking quality prospects in the draft to once again delay the rebuild and move NHL-ready assets for draft picks.

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#14 Butters
April 27 2014, 10:04AM
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Won't happen. The only time MacT mentioned that the Oilers first was in play was a the beginning of the season. That is when he thought the pick was going to be a lot later.

All this trade does is allow the Islanders off the hook for the Vanek SNAFU. The Oilers don't owe them anything.

There are too many shiny new players in the Oilers draft range for them to pass up. I am surprised this thought is even in the echo chamber.

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#15 Old Bald Man
April 27 2014, 09:38AM
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The only way I see the Oilers with G. Reinhart is if they trade someone like Gagner for him. There is no way they trade away the 3rd pick. I also only see them with G. Reinhart if the plan is to draft S. Reinhart for their C position with that 3rd overall pick.

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#16 Cain
April 27 2014, 07:31AM
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Jonathan,

I just posted this question on the previous article, but I would love to hear your answer Have you heard the real reason Smid was traded?

Was it truly for the chance to acquire a goaltending prospect or has it come out yet that there was another reason.

This trade has never made sense to me and I have always felt there had to be more to it than what we were told. Then it just seemed to get glossed over, ignored and forgotten,while we kept guys like Potter and Belov.

So...did I miss a better explanation or was the trade truly made for a goaltending prospect? Do you know?

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#17 flyfish1168
April 27 2014, 07:46AM
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Cain wrote:

Jonathan,

I just posted this question on the previous article, but I would love to hear your answer Have you heard the real reason Smid was traded?

Was it truly for the chance to acquire a goaltending prospect or has it come out yet that there was another reason.

This trade has never made sense to me and I have always felt there had to be more to it than what we were told. Then it just seemed to get glossed over, ignored and forgotten,while we kept guys like Potter and Belov.

So...did I miss a better explanation or was the trade truly made for a goaltending prospect? Do you know?

How I remember it was after a string of losses, during an interview Smid commented how this rebuilt was going to get worst then better. At that point I felt he questioned MacT and Eakins handling. 48 hours later I was surprised and not surprised to see him traded.

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#18 Jason Strudwick
April 27 2014, 09:54AM
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flyfish1168 wrote:

Lt made a list of possible trade / ufa targets. I would not go after any of these guys. We have all watched that list of d-men and yes they would help us and improve our team. But none really have anymore upside. Its a good bet we have seen the best from them.

If we are going to trade for anyone why not ask for Olli Maatta, OEL, Trouba, Gudbranson or Cam Fowler and use our 3rd over all for them, especially if EkBlad is still there

At least with these 5 players we can still see upside and they have played a few NHL games and we know what we are getting. We probably have to add a second asset along with the pick to get anyone of these 3 players.

Why would any teams that have those proven young NHL d man trade them for an unproven 3 rx overall pick?

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#19 Mitch
April 27 2014, 10:42AM
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Bennett has definitely grown on me over the last couple weeks. I think the agitation and drive he would bring could help more overall than Draisaitl's size (i.e. Perry vs Kopitar).

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#20 Jerod
April 27 2014, 10:30AM
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I would go Bennett over Ekblad.

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#21 Butters
April 27 2014, 10:30AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I'd probably go Bennett, but I haven't really seen enough of either guy to offer an informed opinion. I'm a big believer in taking the consensus pick and I haven't seen many lists that have Draisaitl above Bennett.

I think it's hard to do much adv. stats with the numbers we have for junior players currently. I think there's a certain amount that can be done (don't draft goons, don't draft goalies too early, don't grab guys who aren't scoring in leagues nobody's ever heard of) but mostly at the junior level you just have to trust your scouts.

From what I gleaned from their interviews on the radio, Bennet and Eckblad sound like MacT players, character guys with heart. I think they wow him in the interview and if one is available, they are an Oiler. My 2 cents anyway.

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#22 flyfish1168
April 27 2014, 08:01AM
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Lt made a list of possible trade / ufa targets. I would not go after any of these guys. We have all watched that list of d-men and yes they would help us and improve our team. But none really have anymore upside. Its a good bet we have seen the best from them.

If we are going to trade for anyone why not ask for Olli Maatta, OEL, Trouba, Gudbranson or Cam Fowler and use our 3rd over all for them, especially if EkBlad is still there

At least with these 5 players we can still see upside and they have played a few NHL games and we know what we are getting. We probably have to add a second asset along with the pick to get anyone of these 3 players.

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#23 Bob Stauffer
April 27 2014, 02:28PM
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FYI...

Craig Button and Jim Matheson brought up Griffin Reinhart for the #3 pick on their own accord. I specifically stated that I would not do that deal.

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#24 bazmagoo
April 27 2014, 10:51AM
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Bennett or Ekblad would look great in Oiler colours, it's highly likely we just retain the pick and draft either of these future studs. I could see the pick being traded if it was for an already established young NHL player (ala Cory Schneider) but not for a prospect like Griffin Reinhart. That would be an incredibly risky/foolish move, and it's one that I don't see MacT making.

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#25 IslesFan
April 27 2014, 01:09PM
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Few things:

1. The Islanders have no intention of trading Griffin Reinhart to your or any other team. He is not on the trade block. Management is not unhappy with him, in fact the opposite is true.

2. Assuming the Islanders would happily move Reinhart for your 2014 is simply false. Isles management is extremely high on Reinhart, and he would likely not be moved unless an elite defenseman such as Subban hits the block.

3. Reinhart is one of the finest shutdown defensive prospects in the world right now, his value only going up in the playoffs where he could neutralize the opposing team's offense.

So please, let's stop writing articles discussing the pros and cons of a hypothetical trade that the Islanders simply do not make. Ask any Isles fan for their input and you'll hear that we're not moving Reinhart.

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#27 Islesfan
April 28 2014, 11:13AM
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@Johnathan Willis

Kind of clear you're not really paying attention to the type of player Reinhart is you believe he's an Edler clone. The comparisons I heard were in the Pronger, Weber, Suter class - defensive defenseman. He'll probably never reach the level of those three players, but nobody expects him to be an offensive threat. Constantly going back to stats and how many points he'll put up is missing the point entirely.

The theory of "when drafting high, you should always take a forward and never a defenseman"... well isn't that what got the Oilers into this mess they're in now? Isn't that why your organization values Darnell Nurse so highly, because after years and years of passing on defenders, you guys finally drafted one with the potential to become a top 2 guy? A true, contending team is strong in all areas - and when you have a top 5 player in the world like John Tavares - sometimes it's better to focus on defensive strength so you can protect a lead. That's gonna be Reinhart's role on the Island.

Answer me this: would you trade Darnell Nurse to the Islanders for the fifth pick in this upcoming draft, and then take Bennett/Dal Colle? It fits your theory that teams should value top line forwards over top 4 defensemen. My theory is that young defensive bluechippers are extremely valuable, and Edmonton would hang up the phone on a Nurse/5th trade just as quick as the Isles hang up the phone on a Reinhart/3rd trade.

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#28 geeker99
April 27 2014, 10:27AM
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scares me to death to get any younger, our coaching squad couldn't develope a rash let alone a player.

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#29 Rama Lama
April 27 2014, 11:33AM
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If the NYI are contemplating trading a first rounder ( fourth overall) so early ........I'm thinking they do not see this player as anything serious to their club.

I hope that Mac T does not get outwitted by the the most lame management group ( next to the Oilers) in the entire NHL.

Note to MacT.......trading Bennet, Ekblad, Reinheart now will come back to haunt you later.

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#30 6 ring circus
April 27 2014, 11:44AM
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One of the many problems we have with the Oilers is the pro and amateur scouting departments evaluation of talent,aside from Taylor Hall and some of the other first round picks ,were is the 2nd plus round picks that have turned out to be NHL players? Their are none and arguments can be made on both RNH and Yakopov that they weren't the right picks now either. Both Landeskog and Galchenyuk /Murray would have been better,anyone else notice Boone Jenner playing for the Bluejackets? the CBJ took him 5 picks after we took Musil. It's painful watching the regular season and seeing how much work is left to be done before the Oilers are a competitive team again,watching the playoffs and you realize that we are are the beginning of a rebuild and not even close to being a playoff team./p>

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6 ring circus wrote:

One of the many problems we have with the Oilers is the pro and amateur scouting departments evaluation of talent,aside from Taylor Hall and some of the other first round picks ,were is the 2nd plus round picks that have turned out to be NHL players? Their are none and arguments can be made on both RNH and Yakopov that they weren't the right picks now either. Both Landeskog and Galchenyuk /Murray would have been better,anyone else notice Boone Jenner playing for the Bluejackets? the CBJ took him 5 picks after we took Musil. It's painful watching the regular season and seeing how much work is left to be done before the Oilers are a competitive team again,watching the playoffs and you realize that we are are the beginning of a rebuild and not even close to being a playoff team./p>

Ah yes... It's the Oilers amateur scouting that we should blame. It's absurd to see a team in the playoffs, and conclude that we should have drafted their guy instead. Are you saying with Landeskog instead of Buge and Gachenyuk instead of Yak, we would have swept a first round series or finished first in our division?

Even if you believe - 3 years after the fact - that we made the wrong picks, the Oilers weren't the only ones who had Yak and Nuge ranked higher. In both cases, central scouting had them ranked higher too. If those picks are mistakes, is it really on Stu McGregor if the rest of the hockey world agreed?

As for 2nd rd plus picks, was there a way to predict that Pitluck would develop injuries and become a bandaid? Lander was a 2nd rounder, and he's our AHL captain. Maybe a bust, but still some potential. Mismanaged? Probably. Marincin is a 2nd rounder. Looks like a good pick who was developed pretty well I'd say. Musil is an ok prospect, he's just stuck in the logjam behind some first rounders, so we may never know. There's also Curtis Hamilton - bust? And then there's Mitch Moroz and Marc-O Roy, who are still young but have potential. Before this group, our last 2nd rounder was Petry - pretty reasonable career so far for a 2nd rounder. I don't have the stats to say for sure, but I'd say our 2nd rounders nare doing ok. I don't know that any team gets a much higher 'graduation rate' for their 2nd rounders.

As for Boone Jenner? He might have been a better pick than Musil... And a bunch of other players picked by other teams too. If you blame the Oil for not finding that specific 2nd round gem, then you need to give credit for finding Marincin, selected 46th overall

There are plenty of things wrong with the Oilers. Enough so, that we don't have to ignore the facts and make up problems that don't exist. I'd rather the Oil focus on fixing the REAL problems.

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#32 David S
April 27 2014, 01:44PM
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Nothing against Jonathan but I missed the part where MacT said he was thinking about trading for Reinhart.

Bob Stauffer's job is to keep interest high on his show for the team and their sponsors so of course he's going to work the crap out of almost any "might be some truth to it" story. Same for letting goofs like Daily Doug effectively have their own segments.

There's no way to tell if a player is "NHL ready" until he plays in the NHL. And the Oil KIngs are a lonnnngggg way from the NHL.

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#33 a lg dubl dubl
April 27 2014, 09:27AM
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From the few games Ive seen the Oilkings play Reinhart might not put up Doughty points but he's better than Fraser and Belov.

Sure he might only top out at a 5 or maybe a 4 dman, but if he can get the puck out of the Oilers zone with tape to tape passes and actually cover the man in front then Id take him on the Oilers anyday.

As for a trade for him I wouldn't use the 3rd pick to get Reinhart, but I would use Gernat and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2015 or something along those lines. Snow did give away Vanek for free pretty much, so who knows right lol.

Achoring a defence that went to 3 straight yrs of WHL finals, 1 Mem cup final(possibly 2), and gold at the Olympics, even against 18-20yr olds is pretty damn good.

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#34 Mike
April 27 2014, 12:05PM
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Sizzay wrote:

Thank you for posting this!

Somebody texted into Gregor's show to trade yakupov for griffin Reinhart. Face palm.

You should clarify that Gregor said not a chance you make that trade. The guy also wanted to deal the #3 for Reinhart and Gregor politely laughed him off in both cases.

Oilers don't need another left shot 19 year old D-man. They have three between the ages of 18-22 right now in Marincin, Klefbom and Nurse.

Jones is so far out to lunch it is funny. Staples is the worst over-evaluator of talent I've seen and even he thinks Reinhart isn't that good.

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#36 I am the Liquor
April 28 2014, 11:52AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

"Gosh Jon, I don't understand why you say Reinhart's offence isn't good just because he doesn't get goals or assists or points at even the same level Colten Teubert did at the same age."

Unlike you, Ive watched Teubert and Reinhart actually play in games. Teubert was on the pp all the time. Full two minutes, feeding off of and with Jordan Eberle.

Reinhart on the other hand isnt the go to guy on the pp for the Oil Kings. That would be Cody Corbett, and the year before that it was Dylan Wruck. So comparing Teubert's "numbers" with Reinhart is ridiculous on the face of it because they werent used the same at all.

If you had a clue, knew what you were talking about, and could support your ridiculous analogies, then maybe people would take you seriously. But you dont, so why should they?

Reinhart is also much better defensively and thinks the game much better than Teubert ever did. Of course, you wouldnt know that either.

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#38 6 ring circus
April 27 2014, 07:52PM
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@Rick Stroppel

The rumor that is out there, is that the scouting staff and Tambellini were going to pick Ryan Murray instead of Yakopov, only to be over ruled by Katz who told them to pick Yakopov.I think Katz is involved in player decisions and maybe that's why Lowe is untouchable,he may just be a messenger boy.

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#39 I am the Liquor
April 28 2014, 07:57AM
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Gagner and a third of Katz' fortune? Just what do you think other gm's around the league think Bambi is worth?

As per the rumour it is not a move the Islanders would make. I cant think of one good reason why they would do that as has been so eloquently expressed by the Islander fan.

As per the slag on Reinhart's offense, due to...... well lets be frank, NOTHING other than his boxcars on paper, Willis you should stick to writing about what you know, whatever that is...........

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#40 RexHolez
April 27 2014, 01:35PM
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I agree with you 100% JW. A defenceman with "potential" is the last thing the oilers need. They need an actual real life done it before Dman. No more kids

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#41 Mujidog
April 27 2014, 03:00PM
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Meh. I disagree.

I don't think we should trade the 3rd overall for Griffin Reinhart either, but 1 chart shouldn't be the reason why. I trust scouts and detailed analysis more than 1 chart.

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@6 ring circus

I guess the part I missed is the part where you support the statement that pro and amateur scouting is one of the problems. Rereading your post, you ask "w[h]ere [are] the 2nd round plus picks that have turned out to be NHL players? There are none". Of our last 7 2nd rounders, Petry is an NHL player. Marincin is turning out to be an NHL player. Pitlick seems like a likely NHL player, but his potential has been derailed due to injury. (I don't see how you can reasonably put that on the scouts). Musil and Lander I are solid AHLers, both with some NHL potential. Admittedly Lander hasn't shown well in the NHL and Musil may never get the chance here, because so many higher picks were spent on D. Hamilton is a bust. You say none, I say 2 out of 7, with a 3rd being a few injuries away, and 2 more who are close and contributing on the farm. The final 2 Moroz and Roy are still too early to say.

Is It a fact that Katz picked Yak? Did you har that from Katz? From Lowe? From Tambellini? I don't know for sure that it's untrue, but I've seen nothing credible that proves it is. I call that speculation, you call it fact. Maybe you have insider connections that I don't, but if you don't explain how you know this to be fact, i cannot accept it as fact. Either way, how does Katz overruling the scouts/GM show that our scouting department is a problem?

You don't see how I can defend the scouting department? I looked up the actual picks and saw that our 2nd rounders are doing alright, even if they're not "Boone Jenner" alright

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#44 Joe
April 28 2014, 05:30PM
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JJ wrote:

You people exist? Since when did this become IslesNation? Go to Islanders websites if you want to talk Islanders.

That's a nice attitude. He wasn't offensive; what's the problem?

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#45 pelhem grenville
April 27 2014, 08:15AM
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... with Teubert now playing in an elite?German league why is he being included in these talks JW... he was only ever a prospect pair of fists the oilers traded for...didn't get thrown in with the Penner unloading?

...slow day I guess...I'm thinking has anyone talked with Oates about coming to Etown yet?

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#46 flyfish1168
April 27 2014, 09:06AM
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I believe or hope this will be our last lottery pick this decade, if this is true we should take the best available player and run with it. Two most important things with this pick, one he has to do better than the phlegms pick and second he has to compliment our core.

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#47 Mitch
April 27 2014, 10:08AM
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I really don't think MacT would make a move like this. If he's trading the 3rd pick it's gotta be a 'no-brainer' move that would have the most hardcore of fans behind him. Even just recently he mentioned not doing anything stupid in the off season and a move like this would be way too easy to screw up and would open him up to intense criticism (something I think the Oilers have zero appetite for by now).

JW: What are your thoughts on this years draft? Do you go Bennett or Draisaitl? Do you think MacT should go Moneyball again in the later rounds? (stockpiling bullets and picking based heavily on advanced stats).

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#48 mesa
April 27 2014, 04:25PM
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no body piss me off more than terry jones from edmonton sun.HE is single handedly ran hemsky out of town and many players more.i love to see the oilers trade for Reinhart and he will be the first one to turn on him for being slow for nhl.

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#49 Rick Stroppel
April 27 2014, 07:17PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

"Is It a fact that Katz picked Yak? Did you har that from Katz? From Lowe? From Tambellini? "

Of course I heard that from Katz,Lowe and Tambellini we were playing poker at Wayne manor and they were discussing the upcoming draft,on a side note,I happen to own some swamp land in Florida would you be interested in purchasing it?

DEDUCTION

Lowe made some weird, vague comments to the effect that Katz WAS involved in major personnel decisions.

Everyone knows the rumour is out there. How come nobody in the Oilers organization has ever said anything like this: "Of course Mr. Katz did not decide the first overall pick, he never played hockey, he doesn't really know anything about hockey, that would be stupid"?

Nobody has ever said that.

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#50 Kent Wilson
April 28 2014, 02:27PM
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If Im the Oilers and considering trading the 3rd overall pick for defensive help, I'm doing it for a quality, established NHLer, not another prospect (however highly you want to rate him).

No one really knows what Reinhart will be in the show or how long it will take him to get there. I'd assume the Oilers will want to get immediate help that is a known commodity for something as precious as a top-5 pick.

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