HAYDN FLEURY

Lowetide
April 28 2014 03:21PM


Defenseman Haydn Fleury is a mobile defender who patterns his game after NHLer Jay Bouwmeester. Fleury: “I want to be a strong skater and defencemen that moves the puck up, joins the rush and creates offence.”

SPLITS...

Although the offensive side of the game is less important with defensemen, a significant portion of Fleury's value will be in the boxcars. Here's how things added up this season:

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Here we're comparing Fleury to four CHL defensemen from the last couple of seasons. He is in the range with Ekblad at even strengh in their draft seasons, and I'd guess that is a bit of a surprise.

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Ekblad is a horse on the powerplay, well ahead of the entire group. After that, Jones and Morrissey's numbers are solid, Fleury is not far behind. A defender getting PP minutes in the CHL in his draft year should be a strong player at the discipline by the time he turns pro.

That fits with Fleury's description of himself, let's see if it fits the scouting reports.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT HIM....

  • Craig Button: Haydn has all the attributes of a two-way defenseman. Excellent skating base and he uses it defensively and to jump into the attack offensively. Very good puck skills and he passes well out of his zone and in the offensive zone to create scoring chances. Very good awareness with the puck and is threat with his shot which makes it hard to keep him from contributing. Competitive and continues to gain confidence and get better.
  • The Hockey News: Has tremendous skating ability and hockey sense, and excels in shutting down opposing skilled players. Has great size, too, and can also put up some points. Is not a natural offensive talent, so he's not really a power-play quarterback candidate. Also, he needs to become more aggressive in terms of physical play.
  • TSR: After being selected in the second round of the 2011 WHL Bantam Draft, Fleury quickly solidified himself as a top flight NHL prospect last season with the Rebels, logging considerable minutes in all situations. The Regina, Sask. native has been very impressive in the early going, elevating his offensive play with eight points through his first 11 games, while playing a vital role as one of the team's key shutdown defensemen. Finding players with Fleury's size and puck moving ability is tough to come by so don't be surprised to see Fleury in firm contention for a top ten spot in 2014.
  • BJ MacDonald, Central Scouting: "He's got good, strong mobility, great vision and has a knack for making that first good outlet pass. He's composed and calm with the puck and has an ability of knowing when to join the rush at the right moments."

WILL HE BE AN OILER?

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Sometimes a prospect can sneak up on you. Hadyn Fleury began the season as a strong top 15 draft option and remains on. I don't think he'll be an Oiler on draft day for a couple of reasons:

1. He isn't in consideration for the number three slot and will be gone when they select again.

2. The Oilers are building a big, mobile blue line reflected in the skill sets of Darnell Nurse and Oscar Klefbom. Fleury is mobile, but doesn't play with an edge. Edmonton's future is going to be more physical, I don't believe this player fits the template. 

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#1 MEANJOEGREEN
April 28 2014, 03:44PM
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He needs a bigger FIST.

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#2 pelhem grenville
April 28 2014, 03:50PM
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...get that time machine put back together LT and get us PRONGER again please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#3 Will
April 28 2014, 04:08PM
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Really curious to see if Mac T can shake things up. It would be great if we could get a solid veteran LW defenceman to pair up with Ekblad.

Then Petry can mentor either Klefbomb or Marincin, and Schultz can hang with Ferrence.

Klefbomb, Ekblad, Marincin, and mystery top line Left shot D makes our D core a lot bigger, though pretty inexperienced with a rookie on each line. Normally that would be bad but Boston did it this year. I know they have a Chara, but again, perhaps that Left shot veteran D man will shake loose somewhere this year.

If no Ekblad, then who would look better in between Yak and Perron. Leon or one of the Sam's? I think Bennet would probably bring more to the table right away, but Leon would likely have a higher ceiling given his size.

It's also nice to hear that all the coke machines are making their way to the AHL for next year to begin developing for use in the NHL. Like our deep D prospects, if even one of Yakimov, Shepelshov, Chase, Kahria, and Moroz works out as good or better than expected, then the team is in good shape going forward. I know our rebuild is taking a lot longer to see success, but it feels like the pieces we drafted are slowly starting to come together.

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#4 Lloyd B.
April 28 2014, 04:49PM
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A defenseman that is being tutored by Brent Sutter cannot be a bad thing. Leave him there for a couple more years and with his size there is no doubt that element will be part his game. Maybe not the big monster hits but effective at separating the man from the puck using the body is not a bad thing.

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#5 Rick Stroppel
April 28 2014, 05:55PM
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@Will

SHAKE THINGS UP!

The Oilers do not need any 18 or 19 year old players.

What the Oilers REALLY need is veteran NHL players to fill holes while the young players mature. I am thinking four good veterans will do the trick.

1. A defensive defence man, who can play tough minutes is his own end, block shots, play tough, doesn't have to be a fighter per se. You know, someone like...Ladislav Smid.

2. A defenceman with some size and offensive pop, someone who can chip in 35-40 points a season. Tom Gilbert?

3. A veteran 2-3 centre who can play good defence, win face offs, kill penalties, kick in a little offence. Do you realize Shawn Horcoff had 6 points in 6 games for Dallas in the playoffs, he led the team in points!

4. A winger who can chip in offence and play on the second power play unit. Do you realize Ales Hemsky had 17 points in 20 games with Ottawa?

COME ON MACTAVISH, MAKE IT HAPPEN BUDDY!

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#6 a lg dubl dubl
April 28 2014, 06:08PM
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You rock LT, Fleury would be a great replacement for Petry in a couple yrs if the Oilers do happen to trade down a few picks and he's still available imo. Plus if he does turn out to be a Boumeester 2.0 that's an even bigger plus.

P.S I wasn't expecting this write up so soon, it must really be slow lol.

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#7 Crispy
April 28 2014, 06:26PM
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@pelhem grenville

I think you could use a few more exclamations points, just for further emphasis.

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#8 Zarny
April 28 2014, 06:58PM
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Fleury could be the best NHL D in this draft. Ekblad's toolbox is enticing but his PP numbers are a red flag. He's not going to produce like that in the NHL. No one does. At even strength Ekblad's numbers trail Nurse's and don't even come close to Jones'.

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#9 Time Travelling Sean
April 28 2014, 07:09PM
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Zarny wrote:

Fleury could be the best NHL D in this draft. Ekblad's toolbox is enticing but his PP numbers are a red flag. He's not going to produce like that in the NHL. No one does. At even strength Ekblad's numbers trail Nurse's and don't even come close to Jones'.

Souray's PP numbers tend to disagree with you. Ekblad has that shot, Weber has it, Chara has it, we need it, the fact that he is 6'4 and is an excellent defensemen are even better.

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#10 darren
April 28 2014, 07:32PM
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LT,

Listening to you today with Corey Pronman, if I can listen between the lines I would say Pronman thinks there is a top 3 and then a gap to the next group. Meaning Draisaitl is not in the top group.

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#11 Gino
April 28 2014, 08:01PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Souray's PP numbers tend to disagree with you. Ekblad has that shot, Weber has it, Chara has it, we need it, the fact that he is 6'4 and is an excellent defensemen are even better.

That is why some scouts have Ekblad as a #8 pick in last years draft.

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#12 dq
April 28 2014, 08:08PM
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Will wrote:

Really curious to see if Mac T can shake things up. It would be great if we could get a solid veteran LW defenceman to pair up with Ekblad.

Then Petry can mentor either Klefbomb or Marincin, and Schultz can hang with Ferrence.

Klefbomb, Ekblad, Marincin, and mystery top line Left shot D makes our D core a lot bigger, though pretty inexperienced with a rookie on each line. Normally that would be bad but Boston did it this year. I know they have a Chara, but again, perhaps that Left shot veteran D man will shake loose somewhere this year.

If no Ekblad, then who would look better in between Yak and Perron. Leon or one of the Sam's? I think Bennet would probably bring more to the table right away, but Leon would likely have a higher ceiling given his size.

It's also nice to hear that all the coke machines are making their way to the AHL for next year to begin developing for use in the NHL. Like our deep D prospects, if even one of Yakimov, Shepelshov, Chase, Kahria, and Moroz works out as good or better than expected, then the team is in good shape going forward. I know our rebuild is taking a lot longer to see success, but it feels like the pieces we drafted are slowly starting to come together.

Facepalm. I like petry but it saddens me we look at him as a potential 'mentor'

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#13 Citizen David
April 28 2014, 09:19PM
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Fleury is a left shot. We are so loaded there he is 100 % redundant. I also saw him terrible so I'd say a big pass.

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#14 Zarny
April 28 2014, 10:33PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Souray's PP numbers tend to disagree with you. Ekblad has that shot, Weber has it, Chara has it, we need it, the fact that he is 6'4 and is an excellent defensemen are even better.

Sorry son but the most any Dman put up this year was 31 PP in 82 games. That's 0.378 ppg. Weber's production this year was only 0.329 ppg on the PP.

So like it or not Ekblad might not even reach half his production of 0.534 ppg on the PP in the NHL and his even strength numbers lag Darnell Nurse's. That's a huge red flag. Ekblad won't even sniff his Jr production on the PP in the NHL.

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#15 crabman
April 28 2014, 11:47PM
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Zarny wrote:

Sorry son but the most any Dman put up this year was 31 PP in 82 games. That's 0.378 ppg. Weber's production this year was only 0.329 ppg on the PP.

So like it or not Ekblad might not even reach half his production of 0.534 ppg on the PP in the NHL and his even strength numbers lag Darnell Nurse's. That's a huge red flag. Ekblad won't even sniff his Jr production on the PP in the NHL.

If you go back and take a look at both Chara and Weber's draft year stats they both had fewer points on the power play than they do in the NHL. I'm not saying Ekblad is going to score at the same rate as a pro as he is now but there is nothing to indicate that he can't be a productive pro. He has a big shot but even more importantly he gets that shot through a crowd and on net. Add that ability to his size and hockey sense and I think he has the potential to be a top pairing guy in the not so distant future.

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#16 Time Travelling Sean
April 29 2014, 01:38AM
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Zarny wrote:

Sorry son but the most any Dman put up this year was 31 PP in 82 games. That's 0.378 ppg. Weber's production this year was only 0.329 ppg on the PP.

So like it or not Ekblad might not even reach half his production of 0.534 ppg on the PP in the NHL and his even strength numbers lag Darnell Nurse's. That's a huge red flag. Ekblad won't even sniff his Jr production on the PP in the NHL.

What are you calling me son for?

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#17 Sorensenator
April 30 2014, 10:36AM
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Zarny wrote:

Sorry son but the most any Dman put up this year was 31 PP in 82 games. That's 0.378 ppg. Weber's production this year was only 0.329 ppg on the PP.

So like it or not Ekblad might not even reach half his production of 0.534 ppg on the PP in the NHL and his even strength numbers lag Darnell Nurse's. That's a huge red flag. Ekblad won't even sniff his Jr production on the PP in the NHL.

That fact that you are mentioning potential flaws with the projected #1 overall in Ekblad is a huge red flag on your part.

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