What Might a Sam Gagner Trade Look Like?

Jonathan Willis
April 08 2014 08:00AM

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Consensus wisdom has it that the Edmonton Oilers and Sam Gagner will likely part ways this summer. If that does happen, what might that trade look like?

All About the Benjamins…

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Even in the summer, the dollars need to make sense, which means that one way or the other the Oilers will likely be taking salary back in any deal involving Gagner. That might mean retaining some salary in a deal that sees a lower-salaried player and/or draft picks come back the other way, or it might involve trading for some other team’s headache.

Who might fit that bill? Here are five possibilities:

Dustin Byfuglien, Winnipeg. The big defenceman/right wing has been a fixture in the rumour mill thanks to a lousy season with the Jets, and second line centre Olli Jokinen is a pending free agent. The problem here is that Byfuglien’s a better player than Gagner and with Mark Scheifele on the upswing the Jets very well might not be too worried about adding another scoring pivot.

David Clarkson, Toronto. We know the Oilers had interest in Clarkson, we know that things have gone poorly this year for the Leafs, and we know Toronto probably wants to bolster its centre depth chart. I’ve speculated about this previously, but right now I think that contract is just too toxic to take on – regardless of how the Leafs sweeten it.

Tomas Kopecky, Florida. Gagner would bring some much-needed offence to Florida (he’d be tied for the Panthers’ scoring lead if he played there, despite the disastrous season he’s had) and Kopecky would add a big third-line body to the Oilers’ roster. If Florida were willing to sweeten the deal, this might be of interest.

Mike Ribeiro, Phoenix. A point-per-game player in 2013-14, Ribeiro has faded down the stretch in Phoenix and was recently a healthy scratch for the Coyotes. His contract is riskier than Gagner’s, but he’s also been a better player over his NHL career and he’d add a secondary offensive presence at centre Edmonton hasn’t had for a long time.

Viktor Stalberg, Nashville. Like Kopecky, Stalberg’s a big body who hasn’t lived up to his contract, and like Florida the Predators need offensive help.

There are others out there, but these nicely illustrate the player types. Good players on big contracts who have fallen out of favour, nightmare contracts, lesser players who need a change of scenery and other gambles.

The Problem

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The trouble Craig MacTavish has is that his team is still desperately short of NHL players. He’s done a nice job of adding pieces to the mix, but he’s moved some guys who fit the bill (most recently Ales Hemsky) without bringing an NHL player back as part of the return.

He may do it again with Gagner, but if at all possible he shouldn’t. Gagner has his problems and probably isn’t a good fit for the Oilers right now, but moving him out without bringing somebody back opens up one more hole in a roster that already looks far too much like Swiss cheese.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Tim
April 08 2014, 11:35AM
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Here's a crazy thought... Get Bufuglien and we have two defence who can also play wing if you count Larsen as well. How might they do together as forwards on the PK? Just blueskyin'....

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#52 bwar
April 08 2014, 11:35AM
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Tim wrote:

Here's a crazy thought... Get Bufuglien and we have two defence who can also play wing if you count Larsen as well. How might they do together as forwards on the PK? Just blueskyin'....

Someone still has to take the faceoffs.

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#53 Dan
April 08 2014, 11:36AM
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What did we get for hemsky again, 3rd? Then I imagine if we package up gagner with a 2nd and retain half his salary we might be able to get a 5th back

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#54 Tim
April 08 2014, 11:38AM
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bwar wrote:

Someone still has to take the faceoffs.

So put one on the first ok one in the second. Both units now have a unique flexibility to present either 2f/2d or 1f/3d on the fly as the situation warrants...

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#55 Jay87
April 08 2014, 11:40AM
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Quintessential Gagner pic, good job JW lol

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#56 Cody anderson
April 08 2014, 11:42AM
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I would look at Buf in a heart beat and would gladly throw in a middling prospect.

Draft Ekblad if he is available, if not Drasaital, Reinhart, or Bennett, in that order.

Look for a strong 2 way centre, if one can't be found the team would be stronger with Arcobello in that role than they are with Gagner anyway.

I would use buf on Defence until Nurse is ready then I would move him back to the wing and you have the power forward we have been looking for.

This would fix our D next year and it would look crazy in a few years.

Byfuglien - Ekblad

Marcinin - Petry

Klefbom - Schultz

Ference as your 7th

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#57 Cody anderson
April 08 2014, 11:47AM
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That way if either of the kids falter they can be sent back down. If they come in gangbusters and play their way onto the team, you keep Ference for injury covery and trade him at the deadline.

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#58 Will
April 08 2014, 11:50AM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I would look at Buf in a heart beat and would gladly throw in a middling prospect.

Draft Ekblad if he is available, if not Drasaital, Reinhart, or Bennett, in that order.

Look for a strong 2 way centre, if one can't be found the team would be stronger with Arcobello in that role than they are with Gagner anyway.

I would use buf on Defence until Nurse is ready then I would move him back to the wing and you have the power forward we have been looking for.

This would fix our D next year and it would look crazy in a few years.

Byfuglien - Ekblad

Marcinin - Petry

Klefbom - Schultz

Ference as your 7th

I really like this plan outside of the idea that Buf is a big dollars contract, with no eventual place on the team. Anyone of Ekblad (assuming), Nurse, Klefbomb, J,Schultz, or Marincin could emerge as a powerhouse top pairing duo that would command some big money. In that event, then swinging Buf back to RW means demoting or trading one of Yak or Ebs. Not a terrible idea, but it's a big gamble that Edmonton would get return on investment for either of those guys when the time comes to put Buf their.

Not to mention, until that happens, our second line looks pretty poor. Perron, Arco, and Yak? That just isn't going to get it done in the years to come. If when free agency hits, Edmonton can land either Stasny or Legwand, then I would do this trade. After that, I would look at trading Yak or Ebs a year down the line for whatever pieces are needed for that final push to be a contender, or for some serious future picks to ensure the tank doesn't run dry.

Perron, Stasny, Buf is a pretty scary second line. But that sounds like a bit of an armchair pipe dream.

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#59 Quicksilver ballet
April 08 2014, 11:55AM
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Can't imagine another enigma like Byfuglien going over very well in Edmonton. Rather have Penner back.

Byfuglien isn't the kind of role model these kids need on that back end.

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#60 Taylor Gang
April 08 2014, 11:55AM
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ColourMeImpressed wrote:

How about Kane?

Gagner+ for Kane, give Hall a full season at centre?

1) We all remember how the Hall at center experiment worked out. That may have cost him a chance at 30 goals this season. Keep him at wing where he excels.

2) From what the league has said about him, Evander Kane seems to be a cancer in the dressing room. I don't have faith in the strength of the leadership in the Oilers' dressing room to turn his attitude around.

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#61 Taylor Gang
April 08 2014, 11:59AM
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Will wrote:

I really like this plan outside of the idea that Buf is a big dollars contract, with no eventual place on the team. Anyone of Ekblad (assuming), Nurse, Klefbomb, J,Schultz, or Marincin could emerge as a powerhouse top pairing duo that would command some big money. In that event, then swinging Buf back to RW means demoting or trading one of Yak or Ebs. Not a terrible idea, but it's a big gamble that Edmonton would get return on investment for either of those guys when the time comes to put Buf their.

Not to mention, until that happens, our second line looks pretty poor. Perron, Arco, and Yak? That just isn't going to get it done in the years to come. If when free agency hits, Edmonton can land either Stasny or Legwand, then I would do this trade. After that, I would look at trading Yak or Ebs a year down the line for whatever pieces are needed for that final push to be a contender, or for some serious future picks to ensure the tank doesn't run dry.

Perron, Stasny, Buf is a pretty scary second line. But that sounds like a bit of an armchair pipe dream.

Ambition like that is what EDM needs to make the next step. The Oilers need to realize that fiddling with the 3rd and fourth lines won't really do anything. We've gone over the problems so many times and mgmt just doesn't seem to get it: big second line center and a top 2 defenseman.

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#62 David S
April 08 2014, 11:59AM
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TKB2677 wrote:

1 GAME!!! That's all it takes for you is 1 game? That tying goal was a stupid play by Greiss and Gagner was just standing there to put it into the net.

He's got 10 freaking goals and 36 points. He's -28 and is 46.5% on faceoffs. He makes 4.8 MILLION DOLLARS. That's good enough for you because he tapped in a tying goal and made a nice move in the shoot out in ONE GAME?

I left out this seasons stats because it's not done yet but in the previous 6 seasons, he averages 15 goals!! In 4 out of the 6 seasons he's scored 16, 15, 15, 14. Guess what the average is there. 15!!! Guess how many goals Gagner scored next season based on the odds? 15!!!! IS 15 goals for a second line center making 4.8 mill good enough for you? If you add this seasons 10 goals, guess what, his average DROPS even more.

Again I didn't add in this seasons points because it's not over. But in 6 seasons, he averages 43 pts. Is 43pts for a second line center making 4.8 mill good enough for you?

I'm not basing my opinion of Gagner on 1 season. I'm basing it on in in a little over a week, 7 NHL seasons!!! Gagner may be "young" in age but in little over a week he will have played 482 NHL GAMES. HE'S A VETERAN!! Successful teams don't have 7 year NHL veteran second line centers that score 15 goals, 43pts, are below 50% on faceoffs and after 482 games in the NHL still can't play any sort of defense. Plus on top of it think they are worth 4.8 million dollars. Sorry dude, THOSE ARE FACTS!!

I like Gagner as a person but as the Oilers second line center, he's not even close to good enough. I never liked Cogliano and I thought the Oilers made the right choice by keeping Gagner over Cogliano at the time. Cogliano has reinvented himself with the Ducks as a damn good 3rd line winger. Cogliano has 21 goals and 40 pts and makes 3 mill. Gagner right now couldn't hold Cogliano's jock and according to his salary, Gagner is supposed to be 1.8 mill per season better than Cogliano.

http://www.oilogosphere.com/sam-gagner-vs-the-nhl/swin/

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#63 Taylor Gang
April 08 2014, 12:02PM
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JW, have you considered players facing another round of compliance buyouts this offseason? I bet some decent players will be bought out and be looking for cheap deals.

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#64 vetinari
April 08 2014, 12:05PM
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I think it all comes down to the draft. If we take Ekblad, Gagner's likely going to make it to July 1st and be here until at least the last year of his contract when his NTC ends. If we take Draistal or one of the other centres, then Gagner may be expendable, especially with Arcobello in the wings as a backup.

Otherwise, I just can't see Gagner getting moved until the last year of his contract. Right now, his value is at an all-time low and there is too much money and term left on his contract for most teams to take a chance on him. Of course, I didn't expect Horcoff to get moved in the offseason with his contract but it did happen.

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#65 NJ
April 08 2014, 12:06PM
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this... but I'm tired of the "Piss Hemsky away for nothing" statements.

Hemsky was walking after this season. He will be an unrestricted free agent. So, not moving him for the 3rd AND 5th we got, would've been pissing him away for nothing. Instead we moved him to a team where he is succeeding for what we could get. This was an excellent move by MacT. Period. That's a fact. If you can't recognize that, then reply to this and tell me why it wasn't a good move.

Re: Gagner. In my opinion, Gagner needs a new home. He may go to a contender and be a different player than he is here in Edmonton ala Cogliano. He has a cushy 5 mil contract and he doesn't need to back check to earn it. If he goes to another team and we eat part of his salary, he WILL have to back check or they'll sit his butt. The short version: Gagner doesn't fit here with Yak and Perron. Mac will move him I'm sure for something. If he doesn't, Arcobello fits temporarily and is a defensive upgrade on Gagner. He's also not afraid of round corners.

Buf would be awesome for our team for a number of reasons. He's probably a solid #3, possible #2 d man. BIG. Tough. Or he could slide in and be that big winger we need up front. He also has a wicked shot. Why would that make him awesome? Because depending on what we draft this year, he fills the "other hole". Not to mention he single handedly helped Chicago win a cup by standing in front of Luongo.

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#66 freelancer
April 08 2014, 12:06PM
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I wonder what it would take to go after an emerging guy like Bonino from the Ducks or Smith from Nashville. Bonino in particular though the asking price would be high I'm sure.

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#67 Tim in Kelowna`
April 08 2014, 12:09PM
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I know I'm in the minority here, but shouldn't we think twice about trading Sam Gagner? The Oilers are woefully short of quality NHL players with great attitudes. It's true that Gagner is a bit too small to be an effective 2nd line centre, but who cares?

Why is it always necessary to banish any player that doesn't grow into the exact position on the roster depth chart that he was initially projected to? This Gagner situation reminds me of the Cogliano situation. We traded him away because he was small and wasn't a true top 6 forward. But why is that a problem exactly?

I think trading Cogliano was a huge mistake, and not because is playing so well as an Anaheim Duck, but because he possibly the fastest player in the NHL, works his ass off and is excellent on the defensive side of the puck. I think he is exactly the kind of player the Oilers need right now.

The Oilers clearly need bigger forwards and a competent d-corps, but if trading Gagner isn't going to address one of those issues then why trade him? His cap hit is a bit much, but I think he's worth it when he makes it through training camp without sustaining a devastating injury.

The point is, the Oilers organization and the fans have fallen into this weird pattern of drafting players and trading them because isn't the perfect player. Personally, I think Gagner has a lot more to offer as a player than as trade bait.

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#68 Ed in Edmonton
April 08 2014, 12:14PM
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ghostofberanek wrote:

Keep him, turn him into a third line checking winger, Cogliano style. It can be done. When injury arises, we have someone to fill in on the top 6.

And while we are at it, let's turn Phillip Larsen into a battleship shutdown D man.

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#69 Will
April 08 2014, 12:16PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Ambition like that is what EDM needs to make the next step. The Oilers need to realize that fiddling with the 3rd and fourth lines won't really do anything. We've gone over the problems so many times and mgmt just doesn't seem to get it: big second line center and a top 2 defenseman.

Ambition is great as long as you're not sacrificing smart team and cap management.

I'll follow this down the rabbit hole. Say we do get Buf, and say we do get either Stasny or Legwand, and even we trade Yak in next year's off season so we don't have to give him a pay raise, which is crazy because he will either emerge next year as a point producing RW, or he will be crap and have no trade value. But heck, say we trade him anyway.

Then our top six will cost the team 27.1 million, plus whatever the overpay on either Stasny or Legwand is, 7 mill maybe? With both Perron and Bufflyin becoming UFA the very next year in 2016. And both will likely command a raise. Meaning in 2 years time, our top six would cost the team nearly 40 million in cap space.

What kind of a team do you think the Oilers can build around that considering 14 positions would only have about 32 million in cap space? Oh, PS Scrivens also comes up for repayment in 2016, as will Marincin.

Petry, J Schultz, and Klefbomb will all receive raises prior to 2016.

And this is just me looking at cap geek, using hypothetical scenarios. I can't imagine how much more infinitely complex being an actual GM is.

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#70 SmythforMayor
April 08 2014, 12:34PM
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Gagner + prospect + pick for Ehrhoff. That solves one problem. Then try to sign Legwand or Stastny. Pretty sure Legwand will re-sign with Det tho. And Stastny will probably either stay in Col or sign with a US team. We can try Arco or Lander for the first part of the season and see how they do.... Look for a trade if that doesn't work.

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#71 blainer
April 08 2014, 12:34PM
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@NJ

100% agree. If gagner is our 2nd line centre next year we are back in the lottery. I do believe if he is traded to a team in the East he could bring his game to a whole new level as long as he is playing with big players to do the heavy lifting for him.He seems to have been a little better as of late so lets hope someone is noticing. I am surprised how some people really believe that we should keep him.. This is a mistake..He has run out of time here..Also agree on Hemmer..Mact maxed out what he could get for the UFA..

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#72 SmythforMayor
April 08 2014, 12:46PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

JW, have you considered players facing another round of compliance buyouts this offseason? I bet some decent players will be bought out and be looking for cheap deals.

decent players don't get bought out

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#73 John Chambers
April 08 2014, 12:52PM
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RJ Umberger. Another possibility as it relates to salary & term.

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#74 blainer
April 08 2014, 12:55PM
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Tim in Kelowna` wrote:

I know I'm in the minority here, but shouldn't we think twice about trading Sam Gagner? The Oilers are woefully short of quality NHL players with great attitudes. It's true that Gagner is a bit too small to be an effective 2nd line centre, but who cares?

Why is it always necessary to banish any player that doesn't grow into the exact position on the roster depth chart that he was initially projected to? This Gagner situation reminds me of the Cogliano situation. We traded him away because he was small and wasn't a true top 6 forward. But why is that a problem exactly?

I think trading Cogliano was a huge mistake, and not because is playing so well as an Anaheim Duck, but because he possibly the fastest player in the NHL, works his ass off and is excellent on the defensive side of the puck. I think he is exactly the kind of player the Oilers need right now.

The Oilers clearly need bigger forwards and a competent d-corps, but if trading Gagner isn't going to address one of those issues then why trade him? His cap hit is a bit much, but I think he's worth it when he makes it through training camp without sustaining a devastating injury.

The point is, the Oilers organization and the fans have fallen into this weird pattern of drafting players and trading them because isn't the perfect player. Personally, I think Gagner has a lot more to offer as a player than as trade bait.

Hey Tim..you are in the minority here no doubt as Gagner has caused me to have fits at the tv at times. He is just not the right fit for his position. Now if MacT decides to keep him and He might as he is good in the room..Then he better move him to third line rt wing.. but..that is an expensive contract for that position..Just hope he gets moved..

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#75 ghostofberanek
April 08 2014, 12:56PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

And while we are at it, let's turn Phillip Larsen into a battleship shutdown D man.

Oh ok, let's, as a last place team, send out one of our precious few NHL players for a fourth round pick then. Just because he didn't meet the fans expectations of him.

I can't stand how the fans jump on a player with a mob mentality. There's no bloody way he can't learn a different role with the team.

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#76 MattL
April 08 2014, 01:02PM
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TKB2677 wrote:

1 GAME!!! That's all it takes for you is 1 game? That tying goal was a stupid play by Greiss and Gagner was just standing there to put it into the net.

He's got 10 freaking goals and 36 points. He's -28 and is 46.5% on faceoffs. He makes 4.8 MILLION DOLLARS. That's good enough for you because he tapped in a tying goal and made a nice move in the shoot out in ONE GAME?

I left out this seasons stats because it's not done yet but in the previous 6 seasons, he averages 15 goals!! In 4 out of the 6 seasons he's scored 16, 15, 15, 14. Guess what the average is there. 15!!! Guess how many goals Gagner scored next season based on the odds? 15!!!! IS 15 goals for a second line center making 4.8 mill good enough for you? If you add this seasons 10 goals, guess what, his average DROPS even more.

Again I didn't add in this seasons points because it's not over. But in 6 seasons, he averages 43 pts. Is 43pts for a second line center making 4.8 mill good enough for you?

I'm not basing my opinion of Gagner on 1 season. I'm basing it on in in a little over a week, 7 NHL seasons!!! Gagner may be "young" in age but in little over a week he will have played 482 NHL GAMES. HE'S A VETERAN!! Successful teams don't have 7 year NHL veteran second line centers that score 15 goals, 43pts, are below 50% on faceoffs and after 482 games in the NHL still can't play any sort of defense. Plus on top of it think they are worth 4.8 million dollars. Sorry dude, THOSE ARE FACTS!!

I like Gagner as a person but as the Oilers second line center, he's not even close to good enough. I never liked Cogliano and I thought the Oilers made the right choice by keeping Gagner over Cogliano at the time. Cogliano has reinvented himself with the Ducks as a damn good 3rd line winger. Cogliano has 21 goals and 40 pts and makes 3 mill. Gagner right now couldn't hold Cogliano's jock and according to his salary, Gagner is supposed to be 1.8 mill per season better than Cogliano.

To be fair on the goals side of things, up until this season, his goals/82 games have gone 18, 18, 19, 24, and then his face got blown up this year. I think if I had a catastrophic injury to my face at work, it might take me a year to get fully comfortable again.

His offensive efficiency has been on an upward climb, I'd at least wait to see if he can rebound next year before ditching him for a lesser player.

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#77 Woogis63
April 08 2014, 01:03PM
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I like Gagner and Ference to Buffalo for Myers and Foligno and then draft a centre.

We get bigger, younger and harder to play against.

Myers and Marincin can be a shut down pairing.

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#78 Will
April 08 2014, 01:26PM
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SmythforMayor wrote:

decent players don't get bought out

What are you high, tons of good players got bought out last year. Bryzgolov, Lecaviallier, Grabovski, Brier, Olez, Kaberle.

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#79 blainer
April 08 2014, 01:30PM
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Woogis63 wrote:

I like Gagner and Ference to Buffalo for Myers and Foligno and then draft a centre.

We get bigger, younger and harder to play against.

Myers and Marincin can be a shut down pairing.

That is nowhere near enough to get Myers. That sure would solve a big hole for us though. With Gagner, again... if he is retained because of the injury he still needs to be surrounded by bigger players. For me though I was hoping they would have moved him last summer before the contract and the injury.

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#80 Will
April 08 2014, 01:35PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

JW, have you considered players facing another round of compliance buyouts this offseason? I bet some decent players will be bought out and be looking for cheap deals.

I could see Richards from NYR being bought out or traded. I know he's not a big guy, but if that happens, he could be another possible 2nd line centre free agent target.

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#81 Lochenzo
April 08 2014, 01:44PM
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MattL wrote:

To be fair on the goals side of things, up until this season, his goals/82 games have gone 18, 18, 19, 24, and then his face got blown up this year. I think if I had a catastrophic injury to my face at work, it might take me a year to get fully comfortable again.

His offensive efficiency has been on an upward climb, I'd at least wait to see if he can rebound next year before ditching him for a lesser player.

Alex Burrows had his jaw busted by Kassian too. Burrows had zero goals on the year until the jaw protector was removed. Feeling comfortable out there and being able to maintain your nutrition and energy are factors. Fitness is just too important in the NHL these days.

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#82 Rama Lama
April 08 2014, 01:51PM
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Absolutely none of the players you mentioned JW, seems like a good fit....big Buf might seem a little interesting, but he too would not make it past Eakins sawdust & kenaoia donuts.

There have to be better options out there, please do not mention the talentless Clarkson again..........we just got rid of Horcough!

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#83 SmythforMayor
April 08 2014, 01:58PM
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Will wrote:

What are you high, tons of good players got bought out last year. Bryzgolov, Lecaviallier, Grabovski, Brier, Olez, Kaberle.

Ya, I can agree with Bryz and Lecavalier. Those two were great value. The only thing that was stopping bryz from playing good hockey was the philly media. he's been great for both us and minny. as for Lecavelier... wtf was Stevey Y thinking? Do you think NYR will buy out Richards? there was a lot of talk about it this summer

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#84 SmythforMayor
April 08 2014, 02:01PM
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Will wrote:

I could see Richards from NYR being bought out or traded. I know he's not a big guy, but if that happens, he could be another possible 2nd line centre free agent target.

I guess we were already talking about Richards, my bad.

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#85 Ed in Edmonton
April 08 2014, 02:07PM
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ghostofberanek wrote:

Oh ok, let's, as a last place team, send out one of our precious few NHL players for a fourth round pick then. Just because he didn't meet the fans expectations of him.

I can't stand how the fans jump on a player with a mob mentality. There's no bloody way he can't learn a different role with the team.

Well I certainly have not advocated trading Gags for a 4th round pick, or anything else for that matter. Although trying to do something with him has to be one of Mact's priorities this summer, he should only make a move if it helps the team now or in the future. Gags might be this summer's Hemsky.

My point was that it doesn't make sense to assume that a player can be reinvented. If it were that easy, the Oil wouldn't have to make any moves this summer, just get all the players to play better.

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#86 DieHard
April 08 2014, 02:23PM
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Ambition like that is what EDM needs to make the next step. The Oilers need to realize that fiddling with the 3rd and fourth lines won't really do anything. We've gone over the problems so many times and mgmt just doesn't seem to get it: big second line center and a top 2 defenseman.

Big, second line center. Aisle 1, top shelf. On sale now. Jesbus!!!!

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#87 Lochenzo
April 08 2014, 02:27PM
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Speaking of Ribeiro, Mike broke into the NHL at an older age and didn't produce as well as Sam has earlier in their careers. But there are many similarities here too. Both earn roughly $5 mill per year. Despite their offensive production, both have been criticized for being small and lacking physicality. Interesting comparable, I think.

When Montreal traded Ribeiro, it was Mike plus 6th rd pick for Janne Niinimaa and a 5th rd pick. I don't think Janne was quite the player he was by this time in his career. But I don't think Montreal was interested in keeping Ribeiro either so they got something for him.

So, that's the scenario I see. A guy that brings good 2nd centre offensive production that is cheap to acquire via trade.

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#88 TrentonL
April 08 2014, 02:28PM
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I'm on board for Byfuglien or Ribiero given its not too much more than just Gagner. However I think selling Gagner now is a very bad idea. Never sell so low!

Just looked back at his season and aside from some bad percentages he could have ~65 points this season.

Also looking back at his career since 2008 I strongly feel the Oilers terrible defence corps has a lot to do with his poor CF%. I broke the D down to 5 groups, (top 3 pairs, press box guys, call-ups). Top pairing guys Gagner has only played with ~19% of his TOI but posted a 51% CF with them (Visnovsky/Souray/Gilbert). Second pair guys ....sorta(Petry/Staios/Smid/Marincin) he played with ~28% of the time and posted ~47% CF. That leaves ~50% of his ice time with 3rd pairing/press box guys where he posted ~46% CF%.

This season he's spent 28% with a decent second pairing of Petry/Marincin (48% CF%) and 70% with 3rd pair/press box guys. (~42% CF).

The Oilers D has been awful basically Gagner's entire career. He will flourish once playing for a real NHL team instead of this pack of skids. Look at Cogliano as an example.

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#89 Will
April 08 2014, 02:34PM
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SmythforMayor wrote:

Ya, I can agree with Bryz and Lecavalier. Those two were great value. The only thing that was stopping bryz from playing good hockey was the philly media. he's been great for both us and minny. as for Lecavelier... wtf was Stevey Y thinking? Do you think NYR will buy out Richards? there was a lot of talk about it this summer

Tampa has gotten some pretty exceptional play from some rather unknown names this year, which helped the departure of Lecaviallier. Not to mention it really looked like they were loading up to go after a big name goalie in free agency. I think they took Bishop as a back up and lucked out that he emerged the way he did.

As for Richards, I don't see how he doesn't get bought out or traded. Even with the cap going up, NYR have some serious raises to dish out. Brassard, Pouliot, and especially Zuccarello are going to get bumps. After that, they have a ton of players in the line up that need to be resigned.

They could trade St. Louis as well for picks which would free up some cap room. But starting next year, Lunqvuist, Girardi, McDonagh, Louis, Nash, and Richards combine for 38.7 million in cap space. Tough crunch to be in.

If he does hit the market though, it might be good to give it a shot. He's 33, will be overpaid, likely produce less as he gets older, and will look for a contract like he got with the Rangers, big money at long term.

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#90 sting889
April 08 2014, 02:37PM
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If Byfuglien is available for Gagner I make that deal in a second, but I have a hard time believing that's the case.

LOL thats a pipedream, the most the oilers could get at the deadline was kyle clifford and oil had to retain half his salary, , it will be like the hemsky trade,

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#91 David S
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Tim in Kelowna` wrote:

I know I'm in the minority here, but shouldn't we think twice about trading Sam Gagner? The Oilers are woefully short of quality NHL players with great attitudes. It's true that Gagner is a bit too small to be an effective 2nd line centre, but who cares?

Why is it always necessary to banish any player that doesn't grow into the exact position on the roster depth chart that he was initially projected to? This Gagner situation reminds me of the Cogliano situation. We traded him away because he was small and wasn't a true top 6 forward. But why is that a problem exactly?

I think trading Cogliano was a huge mistake, and not because is playing so well as an Anaheim Duck, but because he possibly the fastest player in the NHL, works his ass off and is excellent on the defensive side of the puck. I think he is exactly the kind of player the Oilers need right now.

The Oilers clearly need bigger forwards and a competent d-corps, but if trading Gagner isn't going to address one of those issues then why trade him? His cap hit is a bit much, but I think he's worth it when he makes it through training camp without sustaining a devastating injury.

The point is, the Oilers organization and the fans have fallen into this weird pattern of drafting players and trading them because isn't the perfect player. Personally, I think Gagner has a lot more to offer as a player than as trade bait.

^ THIS.

Unfortunately Gagner makes too much money, has a WAY too hot girlfriend, doesn't crush guys in the corners and probably drives a Cayenne Turbo or Panamera Turbo* instead of a F-150. Thus he is totally unsuited to be a fan favorite in lunchpail Edmonton.

He wasn't drafted for his defensive acumen and contrary to what alot of guys say, goals and assists are at least as important to winning games as a good solid body check or a 55% FO average.

The only real mistake he made was accepting that $4.8M contract (despite being paid league average for a 2LC coming off a 65 point/82 equivalent year).

*Hall drives a Panamera Turbo BTW.

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#92 Will
April 08 2014, 02:47PM
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LOL thats a pipedream, the most the oilers could get at the deadline was kyle clifford and oil had to retain half his salary, , it will be like the hemsky trade,

Off season and trade deadline deals work completely different.

At the time Winnipeg wasn't out of it so they weren't going to sell away their talent, nor was any other team. But had Edmonton waited till the off season to trade Hemsky, they would have got absolutely nothing for him.

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#93 David S
April 08 2014, 02:51PM
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I think it all comes down to the draft. If we take Ekblad, Gagner's likely going to make it to July 1st and be here until at least the last year of his contract when his NTC ends. If we take Draistal or one of the other centres, then Gagner may be expendable, especially with Arcobello in the wings as a backup.

Otherwise, I just can't see Gagner getting moved until the last year of his contract. Right now, his value is at an all-time low and there is too much money and term left on his contract for most teams to take a chance on him. Of course, I didn't expect Horcoff to get moved in the offseason with his contract but it did happen.

Edmonton has to make the playoffs next year. Putting a rookie in at 2C means we draft bottom 5. Gagner right now is better than Arco at mid season scoring-wise, which is the primary objective of the top two lines. He'll be markedly better next year not having to sit out the beginning of the season and playing conservative to protect a weak jaw.

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#94 Mason Storm
April 08 2014, 03:03PM
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Big, second line center. Aisle 1, top shelf. On sale now. Jesbus!!!!

But the current forwards are too small to reach the top shelf. Guess we'll have to draft that big dman instead.

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#95 Scrivy
April 08 2014, 03:22PM
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JW, I've got another idea for you - Christian Errhoff.

Bad contract, good player.

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#96 hatrock
April 08 2014, 03:26PM
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Arcobello >>> Gagner in all categories.

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#97 Woogie63
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blainer wrote:

That is nowhere near enough to get Myers. That sure would solve a big hole for us though. With Gagner, again... if he is retained because of the injury he still needs to be surrounded by bigger players. For me though I was hoping they would have moved him last summer before the contract and the injury.

Myers term is a killer contract... Hockey News reported that Buffalo might buy out the Myers contract. That point with all the young dman, Erfoff (sp) and getting Ference back.

Maybe there is enough to start the conversation?

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#98 ghostofberanek
April 08 2014, 03:28PM
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Ed in Edmonton wrote:

Well I certainly have not advocated trading Gags for a 4th round pick, or anything else for that matter. Although trying to do something with him has to be one of Mact's priorities this summer, he should only make a move if it helps the team now or in the future. Gags might be this summer's Hemsky.

My point was that it doesn't make sense to assume that a player can be reinvented. If it were that easy, the Oil wouldn't have to make any moves this summer, just get all the players to play better.

Maybe, in this case, it's a simple matter of changing your expectations of the player in question.

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#99 Tim in Kelowna
April 08 2014, 03:39PM
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hatrock wrote:

Arcobello >>> Gagner in all categories.

Care to elaborate?

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#100 Craig1981
April 08 2014, 04:05PM
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Trade Horcoff, he is overpaid, that's will fix the team. Trade Hemsky he doesn't try and is a liability on d, that will fix stuff. Penner needs to go, he doesn't "play big", thats what the team needs to fix itself.

.......and here we are with Gagner.

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