TRADING FOR HOMETOWN JOHNNY

Lowetide
April 09 2014 07:06PM

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Johnny Boychuk is pure Edmonton, even down to the name. A rough and tumble defender with a big time shot, Boychuk is a Stanley Cup champion in Boston and one of the trusted blueliners for the Bruins. Boychuk is 30-years old, in mid-career and on top of the world. He's also an attractive option for the Edmonton Oilers. Could they get him? Would he play here?

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This is a nice player, 30 years old and a veteran. Healthy, decent offense, plays 20+ minutes and is part of a strong possession team. Should he arrive in Edmonton he'd probably lose a couple of percentage points from that Corsi For 5x5 % number, but it's still impressive.

For those who don't know the player well, here's the Hockey News:

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Boychuk's scouting report (and this is why I chose him) is a very similar one to what many feel Jeff Petry is all about, save for two things. "Loves to initiate contact" and "Owns a heavy point shot."

Johnny Boychuk makes $3.366,667M annually, and is a free agent next season (2015 summer). He has a NTC but that runs out in May according to capgeek.

QUESTION FOR THE GROUP!

Let's not worry over the question of Boychuk's availability. Let's assume that he wants $5M on his next contract and the Bruins decide to deal him this summer instead of next in order to max value. What would you consider fair price?

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

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Let's start with Jeff Petry as the asking price. What, aside from Petry, is fair value for Johnny Boychuk?

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#51 Oilerboy1112
April 09 2014, 09:50PM
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@Greenlingj

Weird how so many people hate the city of Edmonton when it is actually a great place to live.

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#52 Nina Russo
April 09 2014, 09:50PM
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If you like The way the Bruins play, cheer for them. There are other, more exciting styles of hockey, that Edmonton fans get excited about. And when the mighty OIL return older and yet more powerful such that they easily dispose of teams like Boston, much like Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, or even Colorado, then you can come back on to the bandwagon. Bottom line -- The style of play evolves over time and you can choose to either be a leader/innovator or follower/late-to-the-party also-ran who is always catching up.

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#53 Dan 1919
April 09 2014, 09:52PM
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Doug wrote:

Who says Boychuck is better than Petry? He plays 5-6 minutes in Boston.

Why is everyone in such a hurry to get rid of Petry?

Because he can’t play defence?

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#54 godot10
April 09 2014, 09:55PM
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You do realize how fast this type of physical defenseman falls off a cliff once they turn 30-something.

So just as the Oilers would becoming competitive, Boychuk would be falling off the cliff needing to be replaced, while Petry would be a mid-career stud.

Jason Smith broke down at 34. Mike Greene is breaking down at 31.

Stanley Cup champions tend to have a core of late twenty something players. Petry belongs with this core, not Boychuk.

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#56 CMG30
April 09 2014, 09:59PM
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Young Oil wrote:

If the player who leads the team in hits is being criticized for not being tough enough, it's the fault of the fans for locking in on a whipping boy, and the fault of the team for having an overall lack of toughness.

Petry is a top 4 NHL defenceman. We need to add 2 or 3 more of those, not to subtract the best one we have.

+ one million props for this comment!

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#57 Dan 1919
April 09 2014, 10:04PM
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CMG30 wrote:

+ one million props for this comment!

So it is clear that the Petry is the new fan favourite. Can people please make clear to me why they rank him as so valuable.

All honesty this is what I see in him: Trouble playing position in his own end Trouble winning battles Weak overall defensive play Good skater Average passer

And far from a rookie that can be said to still be developing.

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#58 Oilcruzer
April 09 2014, 10:04PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I like Boychuk. With that said, he's playing with Chara in Boston and would probably play with Ference in Edmonton.

Via stats.hockeyanalysis.com, from 2009-13:

  • Corsi of Chara/Boychuk: 59.0% (1867 mins)
  • Corsi of Ference/Boychuk: 48.7% (714 mins)

I'm skeptical that he solves the Oilers' problems in a meaningful way, particularly if Petry+ is the cost.

Any comment after Willis' is just window dressing. This says everything that is required to answer the question.

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#59 Craig1981
April 09 2014, 10:15PM
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I'm split on this one. In one hand you are right, those two goalies totally wasted the season for everyone this year. It put Eakins in a tough spot.

That said to get Cory Schneider it would of been Nurse+ and Bernier for ???$$. They waited and got Fasth and Scrivens for a 3rd and Hemsky's last few games under contact. We might be stronger next season because of this.

*(Hemsky's picks replaced the ones used to get Fasth)

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#60 Tenzing
April 09 2014, 10:25PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko22eyGUkbU

TSN should have the "Top 10 Petry Give Aways" up on the tube any day now.

You guys crack me up.

Some of you make it sound like players are begging to be part of this team!

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#61 Spydyr
April 09 2014, 10:30PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

I'm split on this one. In one hand you are right, those two goalies totally wasted the season for everyone this year. It put Eakins in a tough spot.

That said to get Cory Schneider it would of been Nurse+ and Bernier for ???$$. They waited and got Fasth and Scrivens for a 3rd and Hemsky's last few games under contact. We might be stronger next season because of this.

*(Hemsky's picks replaced the ones used to get Fasth)

No way I would of made the Schneider trade but there had to be a better choice then Labarbera to push Dubnyk or take over when he $hit the bed.

It cost the team dearly.

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#62 Bryzarro World
April 09 2014, 10:50PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I like Boychuk. With that said, he's playing with Chara in Boston and would probably play with Ference in Edmonton.

Via stats.hockeyanalysis.com, from 2009-13:

  • Corsi of Chara/Boychuk: 59.0% (1867 mins)
  • Corsi of Ference/Boychuk: 48.7% (714 mins)

I'm skeptical that he solves the Oilers' problems in a meaningful way, particularly if Petry+ is the cost.

Good catch and agree with this.

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#63 Sevenseven
April 09 2014, 10:54PM
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Nurse got assigned to the ahl today. Id rather see a guy like Boychuk next year in the nhl, and keep Nurse down for a year in the AHL witha maybe a few game call ups. I wish Nurse the best in the AHL. Hope they make the playoffs and have a great run! If Nurse looks good during an AHL playoff run and Mac t makes 2 solid additions this summer, our defense might be something special within 2 years.

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#64 Harry2
April 09 2014, 11:09PM
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Sevenseven wrote:

Nurse got assigned to the ahl today. Id rather see a guy like Boychuk next year in the nhl, and keep Nurse down for a year in the AHL witha maybe a few game call ups. I wish Nurse the best in the AHL. Hope they make the playoffs and have a great run! If Nurse looks good during an AHL playoff run and Mac t makes 2 solid additions this summer, our defense might be something special within 2 years.

Nurse cant play in the AHL next year. Its junior or NHL. But I agree regardless. Unless he blows everyone out of the water he shouldnt be in the NHL next year.

This is why Mac absolutely has to sign minimum 1 legitimate top 3 dman

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#65 gongshow
April 09 2014, 11:14PM
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Boychuk looks great... when paired with Chara.

Really no different than how good Komisarek looked with Markov , or Smith/Staios/Bergeron when paired with Pronger.

I think Johnny is a fine hockey player. I just wouldn't want to over pay in a trade or UFA offer for him.

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#66 Bob Cobb
April 09 2014, 11:20PM
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Harry2 wrote:

Nurse cant play in the AHL next year. Its junior or NHL. But I agree regardless. Unless he blows everyone out of the water he shouldnt be in the NHL next year.

This is why Mac absolutely has to sign minimum 1 legitimate top 3 dman

Yes Nurse was sent to the AHL, much like Eberle was when the Pats season was done in Regina and I think we will be happy if any limited game experience helps Nurse the way it did Eberle.

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#67 Harry2
April 09 2014, 11:24PM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

Yes Nurse was sent to the AHL, much like Eberle was when the Pats season was done in Regina and I think we will be happy if any limited game experience helps Nurse the way it did Eberle.

I know he was sent the the AHL. I was pointing out that he cant play there fulltime next season. Its NHL or junior for Nurse next year

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#68 Andrew
April 10 2014, 12:15AM
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If the Oilers could bring home all the Alberta talent currently playing in the NHL and the Alberta WHLers we could vie for the SC every year. The irony is the homegrown players prefer the non-hockey cities of the US where you take your life in your hands driving to the rink but remain anonymous. The Oil need to stop already with the soft US college trained Yanks and draft more from the WHL.

Boychuk might help but remember he is playing as a part of one heck of a team. Ference's signing looked good too but his value was over-estimated and his game was exposed too. Bit players on strong teams don't seem to look like such a bargain when placed on a weak roster. MacT is shy on judgement when it comes to judging hockey flesh. Think Grebeschkov, Acton etc. etc.

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#69 coco crisp
April 10 2014, 12:33AM
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Aaron Ekblad, and Braydon Couburn would be a nice look

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#70 BLAKPOO
April 10 2014, 02:14AM
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godot10 wrote:

You do realize how fast this type of physical defenseman falls off a cliff once they turn 30-something.

So just as the Oilers would becoming competitive, Boychuk would be falling off the cliff needing to be replaced, while Petry would be a mid-career stud.

Jason Smith broke down at 34. Mike Greene is breaking down at 31.

Stanley Cup champions tend to have a core of late twenty something players. Petry belongs with this core, not Boychuk.

Who said we have to sign Boychuk to a 5 year deal? Why does he have to factor in 3 years from now? I'd take two years of Boychuk's compete and point shot over 6 years of Petry's terrible coverage, soft play and direct correlation to game losing goals.

2 years will see Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse and Schultz in our lineup. Ference - Boychuk as probable 3rd pair and players like Simpson, Gernat, Musil and possibly Ekblad banging on the door for a look. Petry does not factor in. If we could deal Petry, or even Petry and a prospect and/or pick for a legit #1 guy, he's good as gone.

And Petry's 26. At which point is he supposed to shake off the shackles of boyhood and become this amazing manly defenceman? Mid-career stud you said, right? When the Oilers are competitive? So his mid-career is 28ish, and Boychuk is spare parts at 30?

You math weird.

Petry doesn't belong with this core. He's not competitive, he's mistake-prone, has brutal vision and hockey sense, and is absolutely terrible in his own end. He is a fluid skater, though, and throws enough hits behind the play to give off the appearance of being an effectual defenceman.. which is why he should be bundled up in a trade for an actual top defenceman before the rest of the NHL figures out what the Oilers fans who actually watch hockey already have... Petry's bad at defence.

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#71 CM
April 10 2014, 02:20AM
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Just like when the oilers traded Gilbert for Shultz. I liked Shultz at the time but thought he was a guy they needed to pair with Gilbert.

Feel the same way about Boychuk. Would be a good fit here paired with Petry. Petry for Boychuk doesn't solve much.

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#72 Craig1981
April 10 2014, 06:47AM
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@Spydyr

I don't think Dubnyk's performance had anything to do with Lababera. I 100% agree Lababera was the wrong move, no question. It is too bad bauchaman got hurt as he would of fit in far better.

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#73 seanjohn667
April 10 2014, 09:02AM
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it would be great to add a Dman like Boychuk, but trading Petry to get him, is that really an upgrade? Slight, if at all. Ideally, you add a Boychuk and keep Petry. I would rather trade Petry + (say Gagner) and a get a clear upgrade. Like a number 2D.

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#74 Bucknuck
April 10 2014, 11:46AM
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Young Oil wrote:

If the player who leads the team in hits is being criticized for not being tough enough, it's the fault of the fans for locking in on a whipping boy, and the fault of the team for having an overall lack of toughness.

Petry is a top 4 NHL defenceman. We need to add 2 or 3 more of those, not to subtract the best one we have.

Amen.

Petry is not without his warts, but neither is Boychuk. The difference is Petry is going to get better, Boychuk is not. Also to note is that this is not a move that shuffles everyone down the depth chart. It replaces a good player with another good player. It's a non-starter for me.

It's not really an upgrade, so why do it?

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#75 BIGDAWG
April 10 2014, 11:59AM
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Perty is quickly becoming the new Dubnyk... Its there, we see it... but it never shows up on a consistant basis.. i have learned my lesson in supporting duby for to long.. i wont do it for Petry.. This D man has to go. nail in the coffin for me was when that fleet of foot, that slick moving Erik Johnson walked around him like a friggin pylon.. im done with Petry.. he is 25 and i am sure not seeing him trend up.. im done!!!!! he has to go.. get out the suck and bring in the good..

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#76 2004Z06
April 10 2014, 12:13PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

That has 0 to do with this conversation. Desperation is a poor way to run a club regardless of the reason.

Btw, the Oil have fired two GM's (Lowe and Tamballini since this rebuild).

Lowe was not fired. He was promoted because he knows a thing or two about winning.

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#77 2004Z06
April 10 2014, 12:18PM
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Spydyr wrote:

No way I would of made the Schneider trade but there had to be a better choice then Labarbera to push Dubnyk or take over when he $hit the bed.

It cost the team dearly.

There were better choices Spyder.

Mact T tried to get Scneider, Bishop, Anti Raanta and Bernier. After failing to land one of them, he settled on Labarbera.

It did cost the team dearly, but one could argue that based on Dubnyk/Labarbera's numbers, we should have been ok.

No one could have predicted the implosion from both of them at the same time.

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#78 Greenlingj
April 10 2014, 12:26PM
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Oilerboy1112 wrote:

Weird how so many people hate the city of Edmonton when it is actually a great place to live.

Edmonton is a great place to live but if I made 6 million a year I would probably live somewhere else while maintaining a condo here because I have my family here.

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#79 Lochenzo
April 10 2014, 01:14PM
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Greenlingj wrote:

Edmonton is a great place to live but if I made 6 million a year I would probably live somewhere else while maintaining a condo here because I have my family here.

If you're 'making' $6 mill per year, don't you have to be wherever your job takes you? Unless the work location is portable, like with internet porn.

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#80 Lochenzo
April 10 2014, 01:23PM
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Pretty accurate observation the Boychuk may become available with Seidenberg returning next year and Dougie Hamilton probably needing more minutes.

The only caveat is how long does Chara plan on playing? Chara looks like he could play forever, but he's older and he's done it all, so that would be something the B's would need to know before they part with Boychuk.

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#81 Goilers fan 22
April 10 2014, 01:28PM
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godot10 wrote:

You do realize how fast this type of physical defenseman falls off a cliff once they turn 30-something.

So just as the Oilers would becoming competitive, Boychuk would be falling off the cliff needing to be replaced, while Petry would be a mid-career stud.

Jason Smith broke down at 34. Mike Greene is breaking down at 31.

Stanley Cup champions tend to have a core of late twenty something players. Petry belongs with this core, not Boychuk.

Here's the thing bub, this defensive corps the oilers possess won't have a spot for petry come time that boychuck "falls off the cliff". He would simply be a filler for now until the time comes that all of our young defence man are nhl ready.

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#82 gus1000
April 10 2014, 02:57PM
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It's not that Petry is a bad player, but he has cost us games by himself a few times this season. The loss to CBJ this season as an example, he gets manhandled off the puck, they score. The game winner, he was badly beaten and way out of the play. He seems lost a lot.

I don't care how much he hits, I want him to play tougher with and without the puck. This doesn't mean hitting, this means not losing the puck battles. This means actually going into the corner and digging for the puck. This means when he gets the puck, not getting knocked off it coming out of our zone causing turnovers. This happens too often.

I think he is a great 3,4,5 guy who can eat a ton of minutes, but he needs to start eating his Wheaties.

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#83 Tikkanese
April 10 2014, 03:50PM
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Young Oil wrote:

If the player who leads the team in hits is being criticized for not being tough enough, it's the fault of the fans for locking in on a whipping boy, and the fault of the team for having an overall lack of toughness.

Petry is a top 4 NHL defenceman. We need to add 2 or 3 more of those, not to subtract the best one we have.

Petry is being criticized for not being tough enough because he routinely loses battles. Not to mention that every time he makes an error it seems to end up being in the Oilers' net and many times the game winner against.

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#84 John Kirsch
April 10 2014, 06:12PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I love Edmonton. Great city, people, still takes less than (well maybe more than) 40 minutes to get anywhere.

I have read that some of the Euro players like EDM, reminds them of home. Don't know it to be true, but have read that over the years. Niinimaa loved it here, as an example.

Edmonton is great no doubt (the Pittsburgh of Canada) but let's not kid ourselves- not the most attractive place to move to especially for FA's.

Offers are on the table from, Miami, NYC, Toronto, Philly, SoCal, Boston AND Edmonton...? Assuming the money is similar no way you coming up North. I bet Hall et al. wishes they were drafted by any of these other cities, Hall would be a cultural icon in LA or NYC, and he knows it, he would be making millions more as well.

If Edmonton had a semi functioning hockey ops team then maybe we would be able to attract elite FA's.

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#85 Scrivy
April 10 2014, 07:04PM
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LT, not sure you are doing your numbers homework properly. The numbers I looked up on Boychuk looked below average:

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=3&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#snip=f

-0.845 Corsi QOC. That's not a good player.

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#86 Joe Mamma
April 11 2014, 08:53AM
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The oil need a major overhaul on defence, and while not the solution, boychuk would be a real nice addition.

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