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May 23 2014 08:45AM

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When it comes to the trade market this summer, Craig MacTavish does have one advantage: cap dollars. He can take on a big contract from a team with cap pressure, and might get a reasonable player at less than full value. Here are 7 such players who could help the Oilers next season.

THE BIG DOLLAR DEALS

  • D Dion Phaneuf $7M through 2020-21. That's a large cap hit, and Phaneuf isn't Doughty. However, he can play 25 minutes a night, and might form an effective pairing with Jeff Petry. Phaneuf isn't perfect, in fact he's famously flawed, but this is a player who is just 29, 300 games from 1,000 (solid NHL defensemen often fall off in that range) and can fill all the requirements of a top pairing blue.
  • C Jason Spezza $7M through 2014-15. A very risky acquisition because he's one year away from free agency, but he's a true talent and would give Edmonton a terrific option in their top 6F. The Senators have legit money worries, so he might be available for less than full price. It'll still be dear.
  • C Jordan Staal $6M through 2022-23. Staal is a really nice fit, but the contract is way too much for a guy who scores at his rates. The contract is forever, and the Hurricanes are clearly at some kind of crossroads. I don't know how much of a discount Edmonton could expect in a deal, but he'd be a perfect fit for the Oilers C depth chart.
  • C Mike Richards $5.75M through 2019-20. Also 29 and author of a terrific career, Richards appears to be eroding as a player. He's playing 2 minutes less per night than he was a couple of years ago, and his offense is off since heading to the coast. Edmonton would be taking on a long contract, and considerable risk, but could get a two-way center of some ability for a few seasons before buying him out.
  • L James Neal $5M through 2017-18. I really like this player, he's the kind of winger this team could use to help the power play. A very nice player, but as talented as he is there has been only one season of more than 30 goals. Pittsburgh has some legit issues, he might be available.
  • L Scott Hartnell $4.75M through 2018-19. Those rugged forwards have tremendous value, but their production can vary wildly from year to year, and injuries are always a major worry. Hartnell may not be available at a discount but the Oilers should be interested.
  • L RJ Umberger $4.6M through 2016-17. The least attractive player on the list, he's 32 and the production has been dropping consistently for half a decade. Still, Edmonton might be able to get a year or two of use out of him and he can score goals.

ACQUIRING USEFUL PLAYERS

Edmonton goes to market with a lot of flawed assets and very little currency (draft picks). If they make the pick at #3, Edmonton effectively puts itself out of the draft until middle of Day two. Sam Gagner isn't full value and other NHL teams are going to ask after those inexpensive defensemen who look NHL ready.

How does Edmonton add useful players this summer with lesser assets to offer? Acquire those awkward contracts. 

If the Oilers can acquire an overpriced but effective veteran in exchange for a part of the future, say, Martin Marincin, would you do it?

If not, are you willing for another trying season?

I believe that's the dilemma facing Craig MacTavish this summer.

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#51 Privateeye
May 23 2014, 11:14AM
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madjam wrote:

first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

Move yak to move up 2 spots? Maybe if There was a clear cut No.1 pick, but there is not. Any of the top 5 prospects in this draft could go first overall. You are getting a good player regardless. Ludacris.

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#52 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 11:28AM
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After reading through the comments it seems clear there are two camps: 1)dont mortgage the future 2)WIN NOW DAMN IT!

The successful teams somehow find a way to manage to pull off a middle ground between the two. That being said having talented prospects that dont have anyone to be mentored by are at a massive disadvantage. Whether they turn into stellar pros depends alot on who is showing them how to play\train to be effective in the pros. Nurse,Klefbom, Ekblad(if drafted)etc.. may be great in the future but not without help. No magic will make them that way just because a scout say so or we are forced to rely on them. Quality veterans are needed, sorry Ference but I dont think you fit this bill. Established 1/2 Dmen are the only thing we should be considering to train our future studs.

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#53 madjam
May 23 2014, 11:32AM
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Racki wrote:

I get you now. But the problem is you and I don't know if Ekblad is the next Pronger (probably isn't, because even the scouts aren't saying that right now) and we also don't know yakupov I'd a bust. I actually don't think he is at all. I would definitely move him, but that would be the wrong deal.

I think Florida would do it if they didn't have a major need for defense. Because of that.. Well, less of a guarantee but I think they still would jump at that.

Remember R.Murray whom we passed up to go after Yak ? How unanimous was that decision ? Is Ekblad not probably better than him coming out of Junior ? We went for defence last year , and I believe we will try same this year with MacT. in charge , and not TAMs . Time to build from backend ? Just where does Yak fit in on top 3 , seems like the odd man out .

I will not be surprised if this swap takes place .

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#54 Privateeye
May 23 2014, 11:35AM
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Can't believe how many fans want to give up on yak already. He's been in the league for 2 years. The kids going to be a superstar.

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#55 Casey
May 23 2014, 11:39AM
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I don't see the logic in trading Marincin unless it is to aquir a MUST HAVE player. Marincin just capped off 44 game season so to trade him and replace with Simpson or Klefbom is ridiculous. Second off Marty is 22 and is arguably already our best defensemen. He is only a -2. Schultz jr is 11x worse than Marty's plus minus. Marincin also teared it up at the world championship and was clearly Slovakia's best defensemen over there. Why not trade Schultz or Klefbom instead? We've traded proven NHL players for potential in the past and how did that work?

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#56 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 11:42AM
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Spoils wrote:

trading picks or assets has to be for pieces that will still work in 4 years when our D comes online.

(I'm one of those guys who has embraced the rebuild. I am putting a stake in the ground and saying let's build our team around the duo of Hall and Nuge, and the team D of Nurse, Kelfbom, Ekblad, and Schultz.)

so - Neal and Stastny are young enough to fit that.

that said, if we are just buying someone - I think Katz owes this city the spend

Why build a team around guys with potential??? Remember when Shultz was the Dman of our future. After two years that is far from certain. The same can be said for the others you mentioned.

Id like us to make a play for the #1 pick from Florida while maintaining the #3 as well. Throw in next years first rounder and make it happen. Yeah yeah, I know its the McDavid-Eichel sweepstakes, after those two lucky winners what`s left to wait for next year. Its time to roll the dice with something other then draft picks. Get two quality players this year that will hopefully fill some holes in 1-3 years and move on from this rebuild. Get some vets in here to teach and win.

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#57 BLAKPOO
May 23 2014, 11:48AM
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Zarny wrote:

MacT has 2 advantages: cap dollars and cheap assets (Klefbom/Marincin etc).

It's comical to read comments about how great Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin are and then project one of them to languish as a bottom pair D for the next 5 years.

They all play the left side and only 2 can play in the top 4. If they are all top pair or top 4 talents it is terrible asset management to pencil one in long term as a 5/6 D. Especially with the glut of D prospects like Musil, Simpson and Gernat who may not have as high a ceiling but certainly project to be 5/6 D in 2-3 years.

So yes, absolutely MacT should look at moving one of Klefbom, Marincin or Nurse this summer.

"This summer" seems a little premature. Agreed we have too many lefties, but I'd be loathe to deal one until they've all had an opportunity to develop and log some significant pro minutes.

Trading the wrong guy at this point would be like a knife in the heart of both fans and management.

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#58 Zarny
May 23 2014, 11:53AM
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@oilerjed

I don't look at it as don't mortgage the future versus win now.

The issue is simply get better.

After drafting Hall, Tambellini literally did nothing to make the team better. He did nothing but acquire fringe players to tread water at the bottom of the league while waiting for draft picks. That's not a plan.

There seems to be an assumption by some that waiting will bring inevitable success. Because of course there have never been 3rd overall draft picks like Huberdeau & Gudbranson or promising young D like Myers who didn't quite meet expectations. It's misguided.

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#59 Soccer Steve
May 23 2014, 11:58AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

That we are beings of a grand, all-knowing, invisible creator who has a grander master plan for us all OR the product of a million+ years worth of slow, naturally selected evolution in various environments?

That the Oilers can succeed by keeping on a coaching staff who have been employed while the team has failed over and over and over OR replace them all with proven, NHL-calibre-and-experienced outsiders?

Occam's Razor, my friend.

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#60 Zarny
May 23 2014, 12:06PM
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@BLAKPOO

There is merit to waiting till next summer. If Nurse goes back to Jr next year and you get a couple of stop gaps so Marincin and Klefbom are pushed down the depth chart.

In a perfect world or on a better team that is probably the best course of action. Neither applies with the Oilers.

But you also illustrate my point. You're worried about moving one of them who turns out to be top pair D and yet many have same guy playing bottom pair 3 years from now. No GM loses sleep over losing a bottom pair D.

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#61 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 12:22PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

amateurs read books experts quote garbage dogma spewed by athletes

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#62 Ed in Edmonton
May 23 2014, 12:23PM
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Casey wrote:

I don't see the logic in trading Marincin unless it is to aquir a MUST HAVE player. Marincin just capped off 44 game season so to trade him and replace with Simpson or Klefbom is ridiculous. Second off Marty is 22 and is arguably already our best defensemen. He is only a -2. Schultz jr is 11x worse than Marty's plus minus. Marincin also teared it up at the world championship and was clearly Slovakia's best defensemen over there. Why not trade Schultz or Klefbom instead? We've traded proven NHL players for potential in the past and how did that work?

I don't think there can be much debate that Marincin was the Oil's steadiest D man whilst he was with the big club.

I find it interesting that the Oil have never pumped Marincin's tires much. Prior to his call up here was no suggestion from the Oil that this guy is ready to contribute in a big way. They talked about Klefblom more than they did about Marincin (and still do). Marincin is never mentioned as one of the "core" players they don't want to part with.

I find it all rather interesting.

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#63 backup bob
May 23 2014, 12:34PM
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You call it like it is.

I think the secret Oiler plan is to rebuild through the draft, inline with the construction of the new arena. When the new building opens the team should be able to contend. Until then, the dark days continue.

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#64 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 12:38PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

I cant believe im even commenting on this tripe but the bible troll got me to bite again.

There is no crying in baseball there is no bible in hockey.

Players who win the cup dont mob the camera and thank Jesus for the Cup.

Go comment on the NBA boards, MTV music awards boards, BET awards if you want your biblical thoughts stroked.

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#65 Spaceman Spiff
May 23 2014, 12:39PM
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I think that the no-brainer in that group is Jordan Staal. Yes, it’s a big cap hit for a long term, but I think he represents a lot of what the Oilers need up the middle – size, secondary-scoring, good on the faceoff, reasonably young. Plus, he’s won the Cup before (wouldn’t Pittsburgh love to have him back). Heck, I don’t know if it would even matter all that much if he didn’t produce more than, say, 50 points in a season. Staal would be a valuable player on Oilers if he was just a two-way guy. Yes, even at that price tag and term. So what would it take to make it happen? Gagner plus Klefbom? Gagner plus next year’s first-rounder? Yakupov and a second-rounder? I’m not sure. But it would be great if it happened.

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#66 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 12:59PM
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@Spaceman Spiff

If Stall is what we can get then lets do it! Gagner plus next year’s first-rounder sounds fine to me.

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#67 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 01:05PM
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oilerjed wrote:

If Stall is what we can get then lets do it! Gagner plus next year’s first-rounder sounds fine to me.

I agree. If enough of the contract gets eaten by the Canes Im game.

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#68 NewfoundlandOil
May 23 2014, 01:12PM
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@Zarny

Yes, but it is probably prudent to assume that injury will impact one of these three prospects. Also that at least one of them doesn't make it as a top four defender. I would be in no rush to utilize these three as trade bait at this point.

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#69 BLAKPOO
May 23 2014, 01:23PM
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Zarny wrote:

@BLAKPOO

There is merit to waiting till next summer. If Nurse goes back to Jr next year and you get a couple of stop gaps so Marincin and Klefbom are pushed down the depth chart.

In a perfect world or on a better team that is probably the best course of action. Neither applies with the Oilers.

But you also illustrate my point. You're worried about moving one of them who turns out to be top pair D and yet many have same guy playing bottom pair 3 years from now. No GM loses sleep over losing a bottom pair D.

I'm definitely not implying we keep one as a bottom pair guy in Edmonton. There's enough of a gap in age that we could use Marincin and Klefbom on the Oilers and Nurse as a top line guy in OKC. At least he'd be playing pro NA style hockey against men.

One would assume that if we advance to that stage, and all three are showing promise, not only do we have a better watermark to judge them by, but all of their values will have increased.

Yeah, the Oilers are a sh!t show right now, and they're forced to "accelerate" the development of their young talent because of it, but we need to break the cycle. We'll never get better as long as we have to force our youngsters, and we won't halt that process by dealing them away and creating more holes to fill.

It's a hell of a hard thing to balance ,and I don't envy MacT one bit. Unfortunately, to get it right, it looks like we may have to suck a while longer. No sense selling off all the high end talent we've accrued by being so bad, just to be mediocre.

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#70 camdog
May 23 2014, 03:25PM
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@BLAKPOO

The Oilers rebuild is so bad that we now have a glut of young, potential d-man in the system and not enough spots to bring them up right and teach them. Shultz and Marancin are kids. If we bring in Klefbomb, and then eventually Nurse, that's 4 kids in the top 6. There just isn't room to bring them all along.

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#71 madjam
May 23 2014, 03:48PM
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@kahmad92 wrote:

Hell no to the top part!

Flames won't make an offer sheet with Burke as president; Burke hates offer sheets.

Also, you should know not to trust anything on hockeybuzz.

Oilers Trade Rumours site also has an article from Duffy saying Oilers tried several time during year to deal Yak , but were unsuccessful . Not just hockeybuzz .

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#72 madjam
May 23 2014, 03:52PM
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Kahmad92 -Sorry that was Dreger at hockey trade rumours.

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#73 CMG30
May 23 2014, 04:34PM
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The only way the team get better is to start winning trades. It's long established that the way to win a trade is to get the best player. If we ship out a few minor pieces to acquire an upgrade then we've taken a step forward. When we ship out quality for picks and prospects we've taken a step back.

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#74 v4ance
May 23 2014, 04:43PM
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One thing that I'm deathly afraid of is a Scott Gomez/Ryan McDonaugh situation.

Our needs appear so dire for a #2C or a #1D that we may well trade a future star for a few years of "veteran" help which may or may not pan out either.

At least with Ference, we only used cap room but to acquire older vets like Phaneuf, Spezza Thornton, or Marleau, we may sell low on multiple developing assets and buy a year or three of declining performance before an inevitable buyout.

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#75 Randaman
May 23 2014, 05:37PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

We should be more mindful that the story of the Noah and the Arc is a made up fairy tale that didn't actually happen, whereas the Titanic was real, was actually built, did actually sail, and wouldn't have sunk had it not been sailed into an iceberg.

Fairy tale? You go straight to your room and say three hail Mary's

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#76 Randaman
May 23 2014, 05:48PM
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madjam wrote:

Remember R.Murray whom we passed up to go after Yak ? How unanimous was that decision ? Is Ekblad not probably better than him coming out of Junior ? We went for defence last year , and I believe we will try same this year with MacT. in charge , and not TAMs . Time to build from backend ? Just where does Yak fit in on top 3 , seems like the odd man out .

I will not be surprised if this swap takes place .

The only way I make this type of deal is if we retain #3 and get Florida's pick as well. Yak, Gagner & ?? Would be a no brainier to have the opportunity to draft Bennett #1 and take Ekblad or Drasssaiti #3. If Ekblad is your man then Marcinin or Klefbom become expendable but keeping the #3 pick is nonnegotiable.

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#77 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 23 2014, 06:15PM
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I'd take Spezza, if only for a year. It differs a sizeable commitment for the time being.

Could probably get him on the cheap since he's fallen into that rental category now. Gagner + or a version thereof. If Spezza walks, the Oil have 7'ish of flexibility to deal with. Addition by subtraction has an upside.

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#78 madjam
May 23 2014, 07:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

The only way I make this type of deal is if we retain #3 and get Florida's pick as well. Yak, Gagner & ?? Would be a no brainier to have the opportunity to draft Bennett #1 and take Ekblad or Drasssaiti #3. If Ekblad is your man then Marcinin or Klefbom become expendable but keeping the #3 pick is nonnegotiable.

Ekblad has been touted as a Pronger type and is the best defenceman to come out of the draft since Pronger by some . If so , then he might be well worth getting .If we had first do you honestly think we would draft Draisaitl or the other two forwards ? I very much doubt it .

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#79 Randaman
May 23 2014, 07:56PM
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madjam wrote:

Ekblad has been touted as a Pronger type and is the best defenceman to come out of the draft since Pronger by some . If so , then he might be well worth getting .If we had first do you honestly think we would draft Draisaitl or the other two forwards ? I very much doubt it .

I think you missed the fact that in my scenario we have first & third pick so there would be more opportunity to draft both. Kapish?

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#80 BlackGold19
May 23 2014, 08:01PM
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Dion Phaneuf!!! Please. He is lazy and divides the dressing room!!!!

To hell with him....

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#81 madjam
May 23 2014, 08:35PM
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Randaman wrote:

I think you missed the fact that in my scenario we have first & third pick so there would be more opportunity to draft both. Kapish?

I suppose we could try Yak and Gagner for the pick , and maybe get Florida's 2nd and / or 3rd round to boot without giving up our nbr.3 pick .

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#82 wes
May 23 2014, 09:16PM
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blessed are those who have not seen and so use their given capacities and resource to understand, more fully, that which they are studying through an honest process, changing what was once believed with the data observed, and evolving such belief, hopefully to the point of truth.

(a run-on proverb for sure, but fair; no?)

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#83 BLAKPOO
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camdog wrote:

The Oilers rebuild is so bad that we now have a glut of young, potential d-man in the system and not enough spots to bring them up right and teach them. Shultz and Marancin are kids. If we bring in Klefbomb, and then eventually Nurse, that's 4 kids in the top 6. There just isn't room to bring them all along.

Schultz will be 24 in a month. That's the same age as Pietrangelo and a year older then OEL. Time to take off the blinders - Schultz is a grown man. If in 2-3 years, when Nurse should be challenging for top line duties, Schultz still needs to be paired with a veteran to "learn the ropes", he should be on the first bus out of town.

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#84 Oilersfan16
May 24 2014, 09:02AM
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Why all the speculation for trading YAk + our 3rd for Florida's 1st? I know you guys no hockey better than that. We are going to trade a 1st overall pick just two years removed + what every scouting agency is saying the 3rd pick this year has been and is a possible 1st selection in this draft. For.....wait for it..... This years 1st pick!!!! Unless Florida is in love with one of the top 3 you can probably flip our pick for a 3rd rd and middling prospect. Because the top 3 in this draft are all close.

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
May 24 2014, 10:35AM
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ubermiguel wrote:

It's not an ideal contract but we're going to have to overpay on the UFA market too. I'll take Phaneuf as an anchor versus Gagner or Horcoff (who MacT actaully managed to off-load). I'm just worried he's lockerroom poision.

That's the elephant in the room for this organization. They just either can't (incompetence), or refuse (ego), to MANAGE players. Their history over the last decade is one of an organization that refuses to manage players who get the least bit out of hand.

Souray, Arnott, Brodziak, Pronger, Penner, Smid, etc. The minute a player poses a challenge to this management team.....out the door he goes...and for pennies on the dollar. BRUTAL management!

It's the complete opposite of the New England Patriots who can bring in mal-contents and problem players from other teams and manage them into compliance and stardom.

In my opinion, it is the number one objective indication of a solid management team, the ability to make the most out of the cards you are dealt, that's what MANAGEMENT means....it's right their in the word MANAGEment!

If you look at the great sports teams in history, most of them have this in common...the ability to get the most out of ALL their players, even the difficult ones.

The crappy franchises of history are the ones that are the revolving doors of players and management.

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#86 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
May 24 2014, 10:41AM
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If Yak gets traded this summer or at the draft, it won't be because he's under performing....it will have been the result of having aired his complaints in public earlier this year.

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#87 camdog
May 24 2014, 01:07PM
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BLAKPOO wrote:

Schultz will be 24 in a month. That's the same age as Pietrangelo and a year older then OEL. Time to take off the blinders - Schultz is a grown man. If in 2-3 years, when Nurse should be challenging for top line duties, Schultz still needs to be paired with a veteran to "learn the ropes", he should be on the first bus out of town.

In Nhl talk 24 is still a kid for a defenceman. Pieterangelo and OEL are an exception to the rule, rather than the norm. If this orgaization expects to develope all of these young defenceman at the same time, they are fooling themselves. This off season the Oilers need to acquire a legitimate top 4 d man and sacrifice a prospect. And i am not referring to old, injury prone d man, that have issues.

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#88 Zambonitron
May 24 2014, 01:35PM
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Best bet for the oilers to get ekblad and a Center in the top 5 is to target the islanders #5 by trading eberle or yakupov and taking draisatl or dal colle. Garth Snow has already stated that he would like to trade the pick for help now. I don't like the idea of trading yakupov at his lowest value. I really believe he's gonna be a special player that just needs a bit of time. The first overall pick will take something along the lines of 3rd overall +2015 2nd rd assuming Tallon would rather have Bennett . He may not have drafted Cam Barker in 2004 but he was there in 2005 and it may veer him off drafting a d man with a top 3 pick, although Ekblad leaves me with no doubt that he'll be a #1 dman.

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#89 Ed in Edmonton
May 24 2014, 02:29PM
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camdog wrote:

In Nhl talk 24 is still a kid for a defenceman. Pieterangelo and OEL are an exception to the rule, rather than the norm. If this orgaization expects to develope all of these young defenceman at the same time, they are fooling themselves. This off season the Oilers need to acquire a legitimate top 4 d man and sacrifice a prospect. And i am not referring to old, injury prone d man, that have issues.

A recent study by UBC indicated that NHL defence men typically play at their prime between the ages of 25 and 32. If this applies to Schultz we should expect improvement over the next 2 years. Of course one has to be cautious about applying a statistical result to a specific case.

The UBC study also said forwards are in their prime between 24 an 30.

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#90 Sorensenator
May 24 2014, 02:55PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

That's the elephant in the room for this organization. They just either can't (incompetence), or refuse (ego), to MANAGE players. Their history over the last decade is one of an organization that refuses to manage players who get the least bit out of hand.

Souray, Arnott, Brodziak, Pronger, Penner, Smid, etc. The minute a player poses a challenge to this management team.....out the door he goes...and for pennies on the dollar. BRUTAL management!

It's the complete opposite of the New England Patriots who can bring in mal-contents and problem players from other teams and manage them into compliance and stardom.

In my opinion, it is the number one objective indication of a solid management team, the ability to make the most out of the cards you are dealt, that's what MANAGEMENT means....it's right their in the word MANAGEment!

If you look at the great sports teams in history, most of them have this in common...the ability to get the most out of ALL their players, even the difficult ones.

The crappy franchises of history are the ones that are the revolving doors of players and management.

No one is debating that the management here in Edmonton has been for the most part, brutal.

I don't know if I would compare management with an NFL team to that of a floundering NHL team, there are other good NHL teams to compare with.

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#91 Taylor Gang
May 24 2014, 04:05PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

That's the elephant in the room for this organization. They just either can't (incompetence), or refuse (ego), to MANAGE players. Their history over the last decade is one of an organization that refuses to manage players who get the least bit out of hand.

Souray, Arnott, Brodziak, Pronger, Penner, Smid, etc. The minute a player poses a challenge to this management team.....out the door he goes...and for pennies on the dollar. BRUTAL management!

It's the complete opposite of the New England Patriots who can bring in mal-contents and problem players from other teams and manage them into compliance and stardom.

In my opinion, it is the number one objective indication of a solid management team, the ability to make the most out of the cards you are dealt, that's what MANAGEMENT means....it's right their in the word MANAGEment!

If you look at the great sports teams in history, most of them have this in common...the ability to get the most out of ALL their players, even the difficult ones.

The crappy franchises of history are the ones that are the revolving doors of players and management.

That strategy of getting troubled players also tends to bite back as well though. I don't know how much you follow football but Aaron Hernandez was a star player who got in trouble when he played for the Patriots. Now he's rotting in a jail cell taking up useful cap money. In short, it's not as rosy as you think to take on troubled yet talented players but the payoff is definitely worth it.

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#92 BLAKPOO
May 24 2014, 05:57PM
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camdog wrote:

In Nhl talk 24 is still a kid for a defenceman. Pieterangelo and OEL are an exception to the rule, rather than the norm. If this orgaization expects to develope all of these young defenceman at the same time, they are fooling themselves. This off season the Oilers need to acquire a legitimate top 4 d man and sacrifice a prospect. And i am not referring to old, injury prone d man, that have issues.

I think you're missing the point. There's a significant age difference between Schultz and Nurse. By the time Nurse is developed enough to be playing solid top line minutes, Schultz won't be a kid anymore.

Your vision of a top 6 filled with bare-faced teenagers, based on our current rosters, is a myth. Yes we need a top guy right now, and yes we need a righty, but to deplete the prospect pool now before we have a chance to see what sticks, is a mistake.

Unless, of course, the offer is too good to refuse.

There's no reason we can't pace the youngster's exposure, like they did last year with Klefbom and Marincin. By the time Klefbom saw NHL ice, Martin had already earned his minutes and proven himself.

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#93 Ari Gold
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A lot of armchair GMs talking about this and next years drafts. Haven't we already learned this lesson?

1. The top 3 players in this year's draft are close to par. Trading up shows an urgency that will likely cost way too much to trade up. Reinhart, Bennet and Ekblad are all great prospects.

2. Though McDavid will be amazing, another year of losing will further pollute the minds of the existing young players on this team. I'm sure half the free agents already want out of that dressingroom. Another tank job with no improvement will have guys thinking about themselves and not their team.

It's time to make progress. These kids need to taste success. Another year of losing could turn them into perpetual losers.

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