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May 23 2014 08:45AM

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When it comes to the trade market this summer, Craig MacTavish does have one advantage: cap dollars. He can take on a big contract from a team with cap pressure, and might get a reasonable player at less than full value. Here are 7 such players who could help the Oilers next season.

THE BIG DOLLAR DEALS

  • D Dion Phaneuf $7M through 2020-21. That's a large cap hit, and Phaneuf isn't Doughty. However, he can play 25 minutes a night, and might form an effective pairing with Jeff Petry. Phaneuf isn't perfect, in fact he's famously flawed, but this is a player who is just 29, 300 games from 1,000 (solid NHL defensemen often fall off in that range) and can fill all the requirements of a top pairing blue.
  • C Jason Spezza $7M through 2014-15. A very risky acquisition because he's one year away from free agency, but he's a true talent and would give Edmonton a terrific option in their top 6F. The Senators have legit money worries, so he might be available for less than full price. It'll still be dear.
  • C Jordan Staal $6M through 2022-23. Staal is a really nice fit, but the contract is way too much for a guy who scores at his rates. The contract is forever, and the Hurricanes are clearly at some kind of crossroads. I don't know how much of a discount Edmonton could expect in a deal, but he'd be a perfect fit for the Oilers C depth chart.
  • C Mike Richards $5.75M through 2019-20. Also 29 and author of a terrific career, Richards appears to be eroding as a player. He's playing 2 minutes less per night than he was a couple of years ago, and his offense is off since heading to the coast. Edmonton would be taking on a long contract, and considerable risk, but could get a two-way center of some ability for a few seasons before buying him out.
  • L James Neal $5M through 2017-18. I really like this player, he's the kind of winger this team could use to help the power play. A very nice player, but as talented as he is there has been only one season of more than 30 goals. Pittsburgh has some legit issues, he might be available.
  • L Scott Hartnell $4.75M through 2018-19. Those rugged forwards have tremendous value, but their production can vary wildly from year to year, and injuries are always a major worry. Hartnell may not be available at a discount but the Oilers should be interested.
  • L RJ Umberger $4.6M through 2016-17. The least attractive player on the list, he's 32 and the production has been dropping consistently for half a decade. Still, Edmonton might be able to get a year or two of use out of him and he can score goals.

ACQUIRING USEFUL PLAYERS

Edmonton goes to market with a lot of flawed assets and very little currency (draft picks). If they make the pick at #3, Edmonton effectively puts itself out of the draft until middle of Day two. Sam Gagner isn't full value and other NHL teams are going to ask after those inexpensive defensemen who look NHL ready.

How does Edmonton add useful players this summer with lesser assets to offer? Acquire those awkward contracts. 

If the Oilers can acquire an overpriced but effective veteran in exchange for a part of the future, say, Martin Marincin, would you do it?

If not, are you willing for another trying season?

I believe that's the dilemma facing Craig MacTavish this summer.

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#1 ubermiguel
May 23 2014, 08:56AM
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I like Neal, Umburger and Hartnell but we don't need wingers unless one's going the other way. And Spezza will be too expensive as a 1 year rental.

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#2 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:01AM
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We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

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#3 2004Z06
May 23 2014, 09:04AM
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You speak of buying Richards out a few years down the road? I was under the impression this is the last year buyouts are available?

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#4 madjam
May 23 2014, 09:09AM
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first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

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#5 ILoveTheOilersNr4TaylorHall
May 23 2014, 09:10AM
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I really think buying James Neal would be a really good choice, Neal, Richards and Phaneuf would be 3 players i would love to see joining us! :)

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#7 Mike Krushelnyski
May 23 2014, 09:16AM
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Re moving Marincin for veteran help: hell yes.

Marincin looks like a nice player, but he has the bad fortune of coming up at the same time as Nurse and Klefbom, who look like similar, but superior players.

I'd do Marincin + for Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

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#8 oilbaron
May 23 2014, 09:17AM
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I see allot of different ways that this off season might unfold. I personally would like to see the poilers "overpay" for Paul Stastny, if he becomes available July 1. I know it would be a long shot but it would really bolster edmontons top 2 center positions. The only really crappy part about how the Off season works, is that the draft comes before free agency. If you look at it, the draft being after free agency, it would open up allot more options for all teams. but it isnt so i will move on.... If we Draft Ekblad, then we would have a plethora of blue chip defensive prospects, Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse and Ekblad. Not all of these players will play for our organization and the longer that we hold onto them the lower the trade value fro them we could potentially see in the coming years. We (oilers managment)would then have to decide on which player to flip for either experienced defenceman to help mature and develope our younger defenceman or trade them for other needs, Bottom 6 type guys, with character who can help out offensivly and are not lost in their own end. If we end up drafting a center then this takes the team down an different path altogether. I personally would like to see whoever we draft be sent back to junior for another year and then bring them, up the year after to play 3rd line minutes...BUT if we do draft a center it would gives us a little more depth that we could then use to trade Sam Gagner+ for other needs. Now throw in the possability of aquiring Paul Stastny to play 1/2 C and this summer could shape up to be quite the change in direction for our beloved oilers. BE BOLD MAC!

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#9 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:20AM
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Compliance buyouts ( 2 max per team, ones that don't count against the cap) are only available last summer, along with this summer. That 2 yr window only for contracts registered before the last CBA. All others will have cap space consequences.

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#10 Lochenzo
May 23 2014, 09:26AM
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Hey LT,

Let's say that the Oilers acquire both Phaneuf and Clarkson, then use their last compliance buyout on Clarkson. Is there anything in the rules to prevent the Clarkson compliance buyout? That compliance buyout would have value under this circumstance, and assuming Katz is ok spending the money.

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#11 Reg Dunlop
May 23 2014, 09:31AM
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Building through the draft doesn't include trading players like Marincin for grouchy vets that don't want to be here. If, at best, half of our high-end D prospects turn into actual players, trading one or more is just too risky until we are sure what we are trading away. Like LA, who were willing to deal Teubert but not Voynov or Muzzin, we have to be sure. And really, do we have to make any moves at all? I have been assured that the young guns will tear it up next year after spurning team Canada and spending the extra 3 weeks bombing those lats and traps in the gym.

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#12 geoilersgist
May 23 2014, 09:32AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

One of these things is not like the other... Titanic=Real, Noah and the ark=not real (no proof otherwise)

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#13 Pinto
May 23 2014, 09:35AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Hey LT,

Let's say that the Oilers acquire both Phaneuf and Clarkson, then use their last compliance buyout on Clarkson. Is there anything in the rules to prevent the Clarkson compliance buyout? That compliance buyout would have value under this circumstance, and assuming Katz is ok spending the money.

Yes there is a rule against any new contracts being used as compliance buyouts. If we bought out Clarkson we would not be able to resign him and it would count towards the cap at the half dollars double years rule. Clarkson was signed last year, thus is not eligible.

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#14 Strange Tamer
May 23 2014, 09:41AM
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I don't mind Staal at six million. He is 25, so just entering his prime and still young enough to be at a high level when the rest of the roster matures. Pencil him in for 45 points, 25 goals, penalty kill and tough assignments. Wins faceoffs, 6'4", 225lbs. Basically everything we wish our 2nd line center did, and only 1.2 million more a year than Gagne. Heck Nuge now makes 6 million and he has never scored 20 goals, killed penalties, won faceoffs, been 6'4" or 225lbs. He will be cheaper than Statsny. Good add if you ask me, especially if we draft Ekblad instead of one of the centers. He would fill a void and check off a lot of the boxes that we desperately need, not just now, but still few years from now. If your worried about term on the contract, by my math he would still only be 34 when the contract ends, an age that most good players are still contributing at a decent level.

Neal would be nice too. The rest of the forwards on the list are on the downside of their careers and wouldn't be worth assets unless you get them on the extreme cheap.

Phanuef is interesting. He checks off a lot of need boxes too and would be our best defenseman. But he is slightly overpaid now, and due to his age and the term left, he will be extremely overpaid five years from now. Short term gain for long term pain ? If you could get him cheap now and then hire Glenn Sather to be our GM in a couple of years to dump that contract on someone else for a future stud, then I would do it.

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#15 Lochenzo
May 23 2014, 09:43AM
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@Pinto

Forgot about that rule. Thanks!

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#16 @kahmad92
May 23 2014, 09:44AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Hey LT,

Let's say that the Oilers acquire both Phaneuf and Clarkson, then use their last compliance buyout on Clarkson. Is there anything in the rules to prevent the Clarkson compliance buyout? That compliance buyout would have value under this circumstance, and assuming Katz is ok spending the money.

Compliance buyouts can only be used on players signed before the lockout.

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#17 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:55AM
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geoilersgist wrote:

One of these things is not like the other... Titanic=Real, Noah and the ark=not real (no proof otherwise)

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

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#18 camdog
May 23 2014, 09:56AM
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If we make a noticeable trade this off season odds are Klefbomb or Marancin will be going back. So who do we move?

Thumbs up we trade Klefbomb, thumbs down we trade Marancin. Curious what everybody else thinks?

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#19 Lowe Expectations
May 23 2014, 09:57AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Compliance buyouts ( 2 max per team, ones that don't count against the cap) are only available last summer, along with this summer. That 2 yr window only for contracts registered before the last CBA. All others will have cap space consequences.

You have way too much time on your hands.

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#20 Racki
May 23 2014, 09:57AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Re moving Marincin for veteran help: hell yes.

Marincin looks like a nice player, but he has the bad fortune of coming up at the same time as Nurse and Klefbom, who look like similar, but superior players.

I'd do Marincin + for Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

I'll take my thumbs down to say I would do that trade too. People think they are being wise to say "why mortgage the future..". This isn't a dumb thing to say, however, Phaneuf still has several good years. He is also an INVESTMENT in the future because he lets you shelter your young D like they should be. The Oilers could lose a pretty good D man in Marincin, for sure, but they are getting back several years of an already quite good one in return. No maybes here.

I don't think Marincin is necessarily inferior to nurse or Klefbom.. Just saying I'd give up one of the young D to land a big minute guy. It may need to be done.

If Marincin, Klefbom or Nurse can be the big piece that gets this team a #1 D or big 2 way c, I welcome it.

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#21 Azaad
May 23 2014, 10:00AM
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The fact that you think we have a shot at any of these guys is ridiculous. The moment they find out they have been traded to the oil they'll probably run to the KHL....

Richards? Seriously, these guys wanna win the cup not the first overall pick

lol

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#22 ubermiguel
May 23 2014, 10:04AM
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Racki wrote:

I'll take my thumbs down to say I would do that trade too. People think they are being wise to say "why mortgage the future..". This isn't a dumb thing to say, however, Phaneuf still has several good years. He is also an INVESTMENT in the future because he lets you shelter your young D like they should be. The Oilers could lose a pretty good D man in Marincin, for sure, but they are getting back several years of an already quite good one in return. No maybes here.

I don't think Marincin is necessarily inferior to nurse or Klefbom.. Just saying I'd give up one of the young D to land a big minute guy. It may need to be done.

If Marincin, Klefbom or Nurse can be the big piece that gets this team a #1 D or big 2 way c, I welcome it.

Yeah, I don't get people giving the thumbs-down on that move. Maybe Oilers fans really do over-value potential. Phaneuf is not perfect, but he's a proven NHL player and would immediately be our best D-man.

Ideally if he came here it would be with the understanding that he is not expected to be a leader, just play hockey and stay out of trouble. I don't think he's got the personality to be leader, he might appreciate just playing hockey.

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#23 @kahmad92
May 23 2014, 10:04AM
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madjam wrote:

first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

Hell no to the top part!

Flames won't make an offer sheet with Burke as president; Burke hates offer sheets.

Also, you should know not to trust anything on hockeybuzz.

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#24 Will
May 23 2014, 10:12AM
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I know there aren't a ton of options to help at defence, however that 7 mill forever is a pretty scary contract for a guy whose coming into the wrong side of 30. That could very quickly become an untradable anchor.

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#25 wintoon
May 23 2014, 10:13AM
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If any attempt is made to acquire the 2014 #1 draft pick from Florida, it should not include the Oilers 2014 #3 pick.

If you wish to get the best possible result, offer Florida either Gagner or Yakupov (if required)plus the Oilers 2015 first rounder. This will give the Oilers the opportunity to acquire both Ekblad and a #1C prospect in the same draft while giving Florida a former #6 or #1 overall pick and an extra chip in the McDavid sweepstkes.

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#26 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:15AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

Yep, unlike Nuge or any other Oiler top 6 F Spezza would have no problems matching up with Getzlaf, Kopitar, Thornton and Backes.

Definitely some risk though with only 1 year left before UFA.

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#27 Racki
May 23 2014, 10:15AM
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madjam wrote:

first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

Garth, is that you?

You want to give up the #3 pick plus a #1 overall player 2 years into his career for a two spot climb in the draft and a 2nd or 3rd scratch ticket? Are you insane?

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#28 Racki
May 23 2014, 10:18AM
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Lowetide wrote:

The buyouts the elapse (as I understand it) are the ones that don't count against the cap. Buyouts will continue as they had in previous CBA, but there will be a drag on cap yearly moving forward.

This is right, only the compliance buyout are done this year (end of summer apparently as qsb mentioned) . Regular buyout will still be an option (all be it generally not a good one for guys making that kind of cash)

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#29 Concur
May 23 2014, 10:18AM
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Phaneuf would be a definite.

Either of the Cs, Staal or Richards would be welcome.

Any one of the wingers would be a bonus.

With these additions Gagner has to be going the other way and probably a high defensive prospect. Worthy price to pay in my mind,

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#30 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 10:21AM
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Lowe Expectations wrote:

You have way too much time on your hands.

Not as much as I'd like. Who would keep heathens like Zarny and yourself in line?

Unfortunately this is it for my "on the line" fun for today.

Happy weekend all. You keep submitting, and i'll keep correcting you guys. As time permits ofcourse.

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#31 ubermiguel
May 23 2014, 10:25AM
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Will wrote:

I know there aren't a ton of options to help at defence, however that 7 mill forever is a pretty scary contract for a guy whose coming into the wrong side of 30. That could very quickly become an untradable anchor.

It's not an ideal contract but we're going to have to overpay on the UFA market too. I'll take Phaneuf as an anchor versus Gagner or Horcoff (who MacT actaully managed to off-load). I'm just worried he's lockerroom poision.

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#32 Death Metal Nightmare
May 23 2014, 10:26AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

you do realize that hitting an iceberg probably isnt good for any ship regardless of who built it?

the metaphor is trying to be far too clever.

"we should be mindful, something something bad examples - I DISTRUST THE MANAGEMENT"

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#33 Spoils
May 23 2014, 10:29AM
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@oilbaron

i look at the Jack Johnson trade and I think we are OK holding on and developing all of our young D prospects because if we end up with some extra D they will make great trade bait.

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#34 Spoils
May 23 2014, 10:29AM
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trading picks or assets has to be for pieces that will still work in 4 years when our D comes online.

(I'm one of those guys who has embraced the rebuild. I am putting a stake in the ground and saying let's build our team around the duo of Hall and Nuge, and the team D of Nurse, Kelfbom, Ekblad, and Schultz.)

so - Neal and Stastny are young enough to fit that.

that said, if we are just buying someone - I think Katz owes this city the spend

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#35 Death Metal Nightmare
May 23 2014, 10:31AM
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- out on Richards - out on Staal (he was way too hyped. way too slow. very underwhelming offensively. solid defensively) - Phaneuf is so-so but not worth the money - Spezza. soft satellite. better than Gagner but still a wimp for his size.

this is basically a list of "cool players" from 5-6+ years ago that the Oilers are desperate to fill holes with now at too high of a price.

outside of James Neal... who probably would not be as effective in Edmonton as opposed to Pittsburgh.

Rent-a-Cool-Name players. what else is the franchise going to do i suppose?

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#36 vetinari
May 23 2014, 10:32AM
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Pass on Spezza-- not that he isn't good but I'm sure after playing with Hemsky, Spezza would likely look for the first train out of Edmonton when he gets the chance.

Defence is our biggest need and since there is not a lot on the market right now, I would be tempted to take a flyer on Phaneuf provided that the asking price wasn't too high (maybe a roster player, a defence prospect and maybe a 2015 mid round draft pick). Ideally, I would even consider a Gagner plus prospect swap for Phanuef.

Jordan and Richards are centres and if we move Gagner, I would be tempted to trade for one of them (Jordan, to me, is a decent third line option while Richards should be a second line centre). Again, as long none of the core group is demanded or our 3rd overall pick this year or next year's first round pick (likely to be top 10 again), then let's talk.

Frankly, the Leafs, Kings and Penguins all have other players of interest to the Oilers and you may be able to parlay a multiplayer swap to fill some additional holes but in that case, expect to part with some prime assets.

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#37 madjam
May 23 2014, 10:32AM
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Racki wrote:

Garth, is that you?

You want to give up the #3 pick plus a #1 overall player 2 years into his career for a two spot climb in the draft and a 2nd or 3rd scratch ticket? Are you insane?

If your talking about the next Pronger , as some feel Ekblad will be , then that is reasonable , if not small compensation to obtain that pick would you not agree ? Depends on what value you feel Ekblad would be . On the flip side , would you as Florida make that deal with just Yakupov and our third pick ? I'm not 100% sold Yak or Oilers copacetic with one another , maybe you are .

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#38 sizzay
May 23 2014, 10:36AM
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If you acquire Spezza, you make sure that 1st that they would likely want is conditional.

2015 1st conditional on him signing an extension. If he bolts for free agency, it becomes a second and third round pick. SOmething along those lines anyway.

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#39 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:42AM
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MacT has 2 advantages: cap dollars and cheap assets (Klefbom/Marincin etc).

It's comical to read comments about how great Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin are and then project one of them to languish as a bottom pair D for the next 5 years.

They all play the left side and only 2 can play in the top 4. If they are all top pair or top 4 talents it is terrible asset management to pencil one in long term as a 5/6 D. Especially with the glut of D prospects like Musil, Simpson and Gernat who may not have as high a ceiling but certainly project to be 5/6 D in 2-3 years.

So yes, absolutely MacT should look at moving one of Klefbom, Marincin or Nurse this summer.

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#40 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:44AM
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Staal is the best option. He is only 25 and over the next 5 years Gagner may deliver a bit more offense but Staal is world class defensively and 6'4" 220 lbs. He's literally one of the best PK on the planet.

Neal is also a great option...when healthy. He plays LW but if you pencil him in behind Hall you can look at moving Perron, Eberle or Yakupov if none were involved in the deal to get Neal.

The Oilers shouldn't touch Umberger with their worst enemy's d*ck. He did nothing until he was 25; had a nice run of 40-55 pt in his prime and now at 32 he's done and nothing more than 4th line player on a good team.

Richards and Hartnell are 29 and 32. Their game will only decline and at their price it isn't worth it unless you are getting rid of Gagner's contract or getting a discount.

The synopsis on Phaneuf was bang on. Famously not perfect but depending on the price worth it.

Spezza has been one the best 3 or 4 offensive C in the league when healthy but he's 30 so a decline is likely and there is significant risk he'll bolt after next year.

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#41 The Real Scuba Steve
May 23 2014, 10:46AM
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Don't forget these big contracts come with no trade clause.

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#42 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:48AM
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@madjam

Most do not think Ekblad will be the next Pronger. He's simply the best D in the draft.

He is a good skater and puck handler but not great. His stats are skewed by PP numbers in Jr he will never repeat as a pro. At even strength his offense lags Darnell Nurse let alone someone like Jones.

Moving up 2 spots and giving away a first overall pick who could very well be better than Ekblad in 4 years is dumb.

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#43 Strange Tamer
May 23 2014, 10:50AM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

- out on Richards - out on Staal (he was way too hyped. way too slow. very underwhelming offensively. solid defensively) - Phaneuf is so-so but not worth the money - Spezza. soft satellite. better than Gagner but still a wimp for his size.

this is basically a list of "cool players" from 5-6+ years ago that the Oilers are desperate to fill holes with now at too high of a price.

outside of James Neal... who probably would not be as effective in Edmonton as opposed to Pittsburgh.

Rent-a-Cool-Name players. what else is the franchise going to do i suppose?

All these players have warts, that is why they might be available. And they would all be upgrades on a 28th ranked team, save for Umberger.

If these are just "cool names", then who are the real players the Oilers should be targeting?

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#44 Towersofdub
May 23 2014, 10:51AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

We should be more mindful that the story of the Noah and the Arc is a made up fairy tale that didn't actually happen, whereas the Titanic was real, was actually built, did actually sail, and wouldn't have sunk had it not been sailed into an iceberg.

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#45 Ivan Drago
May 23 2014, 10:54AM
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madjam wrote:

first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

You essentially want to trade Yak to move up two spots in the draft, when there is no consensus No 1? Ekblad might be there at 3. No one knows. You are mad. And prob a little off your rocker. And if you think a second rounder evens it up your also crazy.

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#46 Racki
May 23 2014, 10:54AM
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madjam wrote:

If your talking about the next Pronger , as some feel Ekblad will be , then that is reasonable , if not small compensation to obtain that pick would you not agree ? Depends on what value you feel Ekblad would be . On the flip side , would you as Florida make that deal with just Yakupov and our third pick ? I'm not 100% sold Yak or Oilers copacetic with one another , maybe you are .

I get you now. But the problem is you and I don't know if Ekblad is the next Pronger (probably isn't, because even the scouts aren't saying that right now) and we also don't know yakupov I'd a bust. I actually don't think he is at all. I would definitely move him, but that would be the wrong deal.

I think Florida would do it if they didn't have a major need for defense. Because of that.. Well, less of a guarantee but I think they still would jump at that.

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#47 OilClog
May 23 2014, 10:56AM
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Phanuef and Spezza added to this team would make an incredible difference, these are the big catches. We can afford both, offer both top minutes with top linemates.

Could you imagine the Nuge playing 2nd's!! Oh man.

Phaneuf has his warts but after a few checks we will all fall in love with him.

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#48 Fish
May 23 2014, 11:00AM
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I wouldn't give up a lot for many of the those players. The reason being that the Oilers are a team in flux. Yes, we sucked last year. Yes we still suck now. Yes, we're young. Yes, we're small. But we have gone through a heck of a lot to have talent that will be a competitive team with a solid core. Even if we make these sorts of deals we will still suck next year. Mortgaging off part of the future by selling assets painfully acquired via failure to secure sub par contracts from aging players who most likely have warts won't turn us into a contender but will hurt us 4 years from now when we're looking for a cup. And, having a deep stable of prospects bubbling under is key to sustained success. It allows us to develop patiently and not rush players to fill holes like we do now. If we start to empty the prospect pool now for players retiring or being bought out down the road we're screwed and it was all for not. Plus, those cap dollars are going to become super valuable sooner than we think.

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#49 Fish
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The only player on the list I would consider is Neal. However, I wonder how good he looks when he's not playing with one of the two most dominate offensive players in the game. Kunitz is not an allstar without Crosby, I wonder what Neal does away from Malkin?

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#50 WhattaMike
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IMO, while it is a big salary contract, the best part of Gagner's deal is that it is for only two more years and this makes it more sense to trade him now if in any package for another big contract player such as Staal or Richards. Trading Gagner in a package for one of these two would be a very good deal.

Either of these two centers would be great for the Oilers now even though their contracts are seemingly forever. Staal would be my choice before the other names listed above.

I do like Yak very much as well but if he was to go as part of a deal for Florida's first overall then I would be ok with it. The Oil could deal Yak and a 2015 2nd rounder or a prospect like Musil/Gernat. The Oilers have Hall, Ebs and Perron already and this would allow for another grittier/bigger proven 2-way type veteran winger to come over to the Oilers to compliment the top 6.

Then I would get after Ekblad as #1 for sure. With stil having good cap-space, the Oilers could then make other offers to guys like Legwand and/or Moss to move into the third line flanks as well.

However, I would not even consider trading any of Marancin, Nurse or Klefbom for a defenceman right now nor any time too soon. There are very good defencemen as UFA's this summer to start moving up in the standings. There are Nikitin, Morris, Meszarov, Orpik, etc...to name a few and these are more than good enough to help the team this coming season. While Phaneuf would be a top defender on the Oilers if coming over, he is not worth selling any of the top future defencemen prospects the Oilers now have coming up.

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