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May 23 2014 08:45AM

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When it comes to the trade market this summer, Craig MacTavish does have one advantage: cap dollars. He can take on a big contract from a team with cap pressure, and might get a reasonable player at less than full value. Here are 7 such players who could help the Oilers next season.

THE BIG DOLLAR DEALS

  • D Dion Phaneuf $7M through 2020-21. That's a large cap hit, and Phaneuf isn't Doughty. However, he can play 25 minutes a night, and might form an effective pairing with Jeff Petry. Phaneuf isn't perfect, in fact he's famously flawed, but this is a player who is just 29, 300 games from 1,000 (solid NHL defensemen often fall off in that range) and can fill all the requirements of a top pairing blue.
  • C Jason Spezza $7M through 2014-15. A very risky acquisition because he's one year away from free agency, but he's a true talent and would give Edmonton a terrific option in their top 6F. The Senators have legit money worries, so he might be available for less than full price. It'll still be dear.
  • C Jordan Staal $6M through 2022-23. Staal is a really nice fit, but the contract is way too much for a guy who scores at his rates. The contract is forever, and the Hurricanes are clearly at some kind of crossroads. I don't know how much of a discount Edmonton could expect in a deal, but he'd be a perfect fit for the Oilers C depth chart.
  • C Mike Richards $5.75M through 2019-20. Also 29 and author of a terrific career, Richards appears to be eroding as a player. He's playing 2 minutes less per night than he was a couple of years ago, and his offense is off since heading to the coast. Edmonton would be taking on a long contract, and considerable risk, but could get a two-way center of some ability for a few seasons before buying him out.
  • L James Neal $5M through 2017-18. I really like this player, he's the kind of winger this team could use to help the power play. A very nice player, but as talented as he is there has been only one season of more than 30 goals. Pittsburgh has some legit issues, he might be available.
  • L Scott Hartnell $4.75M through 2018-19. Those rugged forwards have tremendous value, but their production can vary wildly from year to year, and injuries are always a major worry. Hartnell may not be available at a discount but the Oilers should be interested.
  • L RJ Umberger $4.6M through 2016-17. The least attractive player on the list, he's 32 and the production has been dropping consistently for half a decade. Still, Edmonton might be able to get a year or two of use out of him and he can score goals.

ACQUIRING USEFUL PLAYERS

Edmonton goes to market with a lot of flawed assets and very little currency (draft picks). If they make the pick at #3, Edmonton effectively puts itself out of the draft until middle of Day two. Sam Gagner isn't full value and other NHL teams are going to ask after those inexpensive defensemen who look NHL ready.

How does Edmonton add useful players this summer with lesser assets to offer? Acquire those awkward contracts. 

If the Oilers can acquire an overpriced but effective veteran in exchange for a part of the future, say, Martin Marincin, would you do it?

If not, are you willing for another trying season?

I believe that's the dilemma facing Craig MacTavish this summer.

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#1 madjam
May 23 2014, 09:09AM
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first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

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#2 Mike Krushelnyski
May 23 2014, 09:16AM
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Re moving Marincin for veteran help: hell yes.

Marincin looks like a nice player, but he has the bad fortune of coming up at the same time as Nurse and Klefbom, who look like similar, but superior players.

I'd do Marincin + for Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

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#3 geoilersgist
May 23 2014, 09:32AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

One of these things is not like the other... Titanic=Real, Noah and the ark=not real (no proof otherwise)

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#4 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:01AM
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We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

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#5 madjam
May 23 2014, 11:32AM
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Racki wrote:

I get you now. But the problem is you and I don't know if Ekblad is the next Pronger (probably isn't, because even the scouts aren't saying that right now) and we also don't know yakupov I'd a bust. I actually don't think he is at all. I would definitely move him, but that would be the wrong deal.

I think Florida would do it if they didn't have a major need for defense. Because of that.. Well, less of a guarantee but I think they still would jump at that.

Remember R.Murray whom we passed up to go after Yak ? How unanimous was that decision ? Is Ekblad not probably better than him coming out of Junior ? We went for defence last year , and I believe we will try same this year with MacT. in charge , and not TAMs . Time to build from backend ? Just where does Yak fit in on top 3 , seems like the odd man out .

I will not be surprised if this swap takes place .

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#6 madjam
May 23 2014, 10:32AM
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Racki wrote:

Garth, is that you?

You want to give up the #3 pick plus a #1 overall player 2 years into his career for a two spot climb in the draft and a 2nd or 3rd scratch ticket? Are you insane?

If your talking about the next Pronger , as some feel Ekblad will be , then that is reasonable , if not small compensation to obtain that pick would you not agree ? Depends on what value you feel Ekblad would be . On the flip side , would you as Florida make that deal with just Yakupov and our third pick ? I'm not 100% sold Yak or Oilers copacetic with one another , maybe you are .

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#7 wintoon
May 23 2014, 10:13AM
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If any attempt is made to acquire the 2014 #1 draft pick from Florida, it should not include the Oilers 2014 #3 pick.

If you wish to get the best possible result, offer Florida either Gagner or Yakupov (if required)plus the Oilers 2015 first rounder. This will give the Oilers the opportunity to acquire both Ekblad and a #1C prospect in the same draft while giving Florida a former #6 or #1 overall pick and an extra chip in the McDavid sweepstkes.

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#8 camdog
May 23 2014, 09:56AM
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If we make a noticeable trade this off season odds are Klefbomb or Marancin will be going back. So who do we move?

Thumbs up we trade Klefbomb, thumbs down we trade Marancin. Curious what everybody else thinks?

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#9 Lowe Expectations
May 23 2014, 09:57AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Compliance buyouts ( 2 max per team, ones that don't count against the cap) are only available last summer, along with this summer. That 2 yr window only for contracts registered before the last CBA. All others will have cap space consequences.

You have way too much time on your hands.

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#10 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:55AM
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geoilersgist wrote:

One of these things is not like the other... Titanic=Real, Noah and the ark=not real (no proof otherwise)

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

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#11 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 12:38PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

I cant believe im even commenting on this tripe but the bible troll got me to bite again.

There is no crying in baseball there is no bible in hockey.

Players who win the cup dont mob the camera and thank Jesus for the Cup.

Go comment on the NBA boards, MTV music awards boards, BET awards if you want your biblical thoughts stroked.

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#12 2004Z06
May 23 2014, 09:04AM
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You speak of buying Richards out a few years down the road? I was under the impression this is the last year buyouts are available?

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#13 Lochenzo
May 23 2014, 09:26AM
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Hey LT,

Let's say that the Oilers acquire both Phaneuf and Clarkson, then use their last compliance buyout on Clarkson. Is there anything in the rules to prevent the Clarkson compliance buyout? That compliance buyout would have value under this circumstance, and assuming Katz is ok spending the money.

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#14 Towersofdub
May 23 2014, 10:51AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

We should be more mindful that the story of the Noah and the Arc is a made up fairy tale that didn't actually happen, whereas the Titanic was real, was actually built, did actually sail, and wouldn't have sunk had it not been sailed into an iceberg.

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#15 Privateeye
May 23 2014, 11:35AM
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Can't believe how many fans want to give up on yak already. He's been in the league for 2 years. The kids going to be a superstar.

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#16 ubermiguel
May 23 2014, 10:04AM
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Racki wrote:

I'll take my thumbs down to say I would do that trade too. People think they are being wise to say "why mortgage the future..". This isn't a dumb thing to say, however, Phaneuf still has several good years. He is also an INVESTMENT in the future because he lets you shelter your young D like they should be. The Oilers could lose a pretty good D man in Marincin, for sure, but they are getting back several years of an already quite good one in return. No maybes here.

I don't think Marincin is necessarily inferior to nurse or Klefbom.. Just saying I'd give up one of the young D to land a big minute guy. It may need to be done.

If Marincin, Klefbom or Nurse can be the big piece that gets this team a #1 D or big 2 way c, I welcome it.

Yeah, I don't get people giving the thumbs-down on that move. Maybe Oilers fans really do over-value potential. Phaneuf is not perfect, but he's a proven NHL player and would immediately be our best D-man.

Ideally if he came here it would be with the understanding that he is not expected to be a leader, just play hockey and stay out of trouble. I don't think he's got the personality to be leader, he might appreciate just playing hockey.

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#17 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 12:22PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

amateurs read books experts quote garbage dogma spewed by athletes

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#18 Racki
May 23 2014, 09:57AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Re moving Marincin for veteran help: hell yes.

Marincin looks like a nice player, but he has the bad fortune of coming up at the same time as Nurse and Klefbom, who look like similar, but superior players.

I'd do Marincin + for Phaneuf in a heartbeat.

I'll take my thumbs down to say I would do that trade too. People think they are being wise to say "why mortgage the future..". This isn't a dumb thing to say, however, Phaneuf still has several good years. He is also an INVESTMENT in the future because he lets you shelter your young D like they should be. The Oilers could lose a pretty good D man in Marincin, for sure, but they are getting back several years of an already quite good one in return. No maybes here.

I don't think Marincin is necessarily inferior to nurse or Klefbom.. Just saying I'd give up one of the young D to land a big minute guy. It may need to be done.

If Marincin, Klefbom or Nurse can be the big piece that gets this team a #1 D or big 2 way c, I welcome it.

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#19 Azaad
May 23 2014, 10:00AM
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The fact that you think we have a shot at any of these guys is ridiculous. The moment they find out they have been traded to the oil they'll probably run to the KHL....

Richards? Seriously, these guys wanna win the cup not the first overall pick

lol

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#20 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 10:21AM
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Lowe Expectations wrote:

You have way too much time on your hands.

Not as much as I'd like. Who would keep heathens like Zarny and yourself in line?

Unfortunately this is it for my "on the line" fun for today.

Happy weekend all. You keep submitting, and i'll keep correcting you guys. As time permits ofcourse.

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#21 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 12:59PM
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@Spaceman Spiff

If Stall is what we can get then lets do it! Gagner plus next year’s first-rounder sounds fine to me.

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#22 madjam
May 23 2014, 07:04PM
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Randaman wrote:

The only way I make this type of deal is if we retain #3 and get Florida's pick as well. Yak, Gagner & ?? Would be a no brainier to have the opportunity to draft Bennett #1 and take Ekblad or Drasssaiti #3. If Ekblad is your man then Marcinin or Klefbom become expendable but keeping the #3 pick is nonnegotiable.

Ekblad has been touted as a Pronger type and is the best defenceman to come out of the draft since Pronger by some . If so , then he might be well worth getting .If we had first do you honestly think we would draft Draisaitl or the other two forwards ? I very much doubt it .

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#23 Death Metal Nightmare
May 23 2014, 10:31AM
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- out on Richards - out on Staal (he was way too hyped. way too slow. very underwhelming offensively. solid defensively) - Phaneuf is so-so but not worth the money - Spezza. soft satellite. better than Gagner but still a wimp for his size.

this is basically a list of "cool players" from 5-6+ years ago that the Oilers are desperate to fill holes with now at too high of a price.

outside of James Neal... who probably would not be as effective in Edmonton as opposed to Pittsburgh.

Rent-a-Cool-Name players. what else is the franchise going to do i suppose?

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#24 Privateeye
May 23 2014, 11:14AM
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madjam wrote:

first things first . I think oilers going to deal Yakupov to Florida for first round flip of picks with Florida and hopefully we also get a second or 3rd rounder in the deal somehow . I believe we will draft Ekblad with that pick . That should free up one of our other young defencemen for a further trade . Avoid long term diminishing contracts . spezza has only one year left and if it does not work out can be dealt at a reasonable turn . Neal's contract length not to bad as is Umberger's . do not care for Umberger , however .

I see on hockey buzz , Flames contemplating an offer sheet for O'Reilly from Colorado . Should we not be targeting him as well ?

Move yak to move up 2 spots? Maybe if There was a clear cut No.1 pick, but there is not. Any of the top 5 prospects in this draft could go first overall. You are getting a good player regardless. Ludacris.

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#25 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 11:42AM
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Spoils wrote:

trading picks or assets has to be for pieces that will still work in 4 years when our D comes online.

(I'm one of those guys who has embraced the rebuild. I am putting a stake in the ground and saying let's build our team around the duo of Hall and Nuge, and the team D of Nurse, Kelfbom, Ekblad, and Schultz.)

so - Neal and Stastny are young enough to fit that.

that said, if we are just buying someone - I think Katz owes this city the spend

Why build a team around guys with potential??? Remember when Shultz was the Dman of our future. After two years that is far from certain. The same can be said for the others you mentioned.

Id like us to make a play for the #1 pick from Florida while maintaining the #3 as well. Throw in next years first rounder and make it happen. Yeah yeah, I know its the McDavid-Eichel sweepstakes, after those two lucky winners what`s left to wait for next year. Its time to roll the dice with something other then draft picks. Get two quality players this year that will hopefully fill some holes in 1-3 years and move on from this rebuild. Get some vets in here to teach and win.

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#26 Soccer Steve
May 23 2014, 11:58AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen. Every one of us, a fine example of that hope. We all have/required faith our heart will beat again and again/allow us this day, no?

I do take issue with you calling our Oilers, not a real hockey club though...

That we are beings of a grand, all-knowing, invisible creator who has a grander master plan for us all OR the product of a million+ years worth of slow, naturally selected evolution in various environments?

That the Oilers can succeed by keeping on a coaching staff who have been employed while the team has failed over and over and over OR replace them all with proven, NHL-calibre-and-experienced outsiders?

Occam's Razor, my friend.

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#27 BlazingSaitls
May 23 2014, 01:05PM
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oilerjed wrote:

If Stall is what we can get then lets do it! Gagner plus next year’s first-rounder sounds fine to me.

I agree. If enough of the contract gets eaten by the Canes Im game.

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#28 madjam
May 23 2014, 03:48PM
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@kahmad92 wrote:

Hell no to the top part!

Flames won't make an offer sheet with Burke as president; Burke hates offer sheets.

Also, you should know not to trust anything on hockeybuzz.

Oilers Trade Rumours site also has an article from Duffy saying Oilers tried several time during year to deal Yak , but were unsuccessful . Not just hockeybuzz .

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#29 ILoveTheOilersNr4TaylorHall
May 23 2014, 09:10AM
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I really think buying James Neal would be a really good choice, Neal, Richards and Phaneuf would be 3 players i would love to see joining us! :)

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#30 ubermiguel
May 23 2014, 08:56AM
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I like Neal, Umburger and Hartnell but we don't need wingers unless one's going the other way. And Spezza will be too expensive as a 1 year rental.

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#31 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:42AM
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MacT has 2 advantages: cap dollars and cheap assets (Klefbom/Marincin etc).

It's comical to read comments about how great Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin are and then project one of them to languish as a bottom pair D for the next 5 years.

They all play the left side and only 2 can play in the top 4. If they are all top pair or top 4 talents it is terrible asset management to pencil one in long term as a 5/6 D. Especially with the glut of D prospects like Musil, Simpson and Gernat who may not have as high a ceiling but certainly project to be 5/6 D in 2-3 years.

So yes, absolutely MacT should look at moving one of Klefbom, Marincin or Nurse this summer.

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#32 WhattaMike
May 23 2014, 11:12AM
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IMO, while it is a big salary contract, the best part of Gagner's deal is that it is for only two more years and this makes it more sense to trade him now if in any package for another big contract player such as Staal or Richards. Trading Gagner in a package for one of these two would be a very good deal.

Either of these two centers would be great for the Oilers now even though their contracts are seemingly forever. Staal would be my choice before the other names listed above.

I do like Yak very much as well but if he was to go as part of a deal for Florida's first overall then I would be ok with it. The Oil could deal Yak and a 2015 2nd rounder or a prospect like Musil/Gernat. The Oilers have Hall, Ebs and Perron already and this would allow for another grittier/bigger proven 2-way type veteran winger to come over to the Oilers to compliment the top 6.

Then I would get after Ekblad as #1 for sure. With stil having good cap-space, the Oilers could then make other offers to guys like Legwand and/or Moss to move into the third line flanks as well.

However, I would not even consider trading any of Marancin, Nurse or Klefbom for a defenceman right now nor any time too soon. There are very good defencemen as UFA's this summer to start moving up in the standings. There are Nikitin, Morris, Meszarov, Orpik, etc...to name a few and these are more than good enough to help the team this coming season. While Phaneuf would be a top defender on the Oilers if coming over, he is not worth selling any of the top future defencemen prospects the Oilers now have coming up.

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#33 BLAKPOO
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camdog wrote:

The Oilers rebuild is so bad that we now have a glut of young, potential d-man in the system and not enough spots to bring them up right and teach them. Shultz and Marancin are kids. If we bring in Klefbomb, and then eventually Nurse, that's 4 kids in the top 6. There just isn't room to bring them all along.

Schultz will be 24 in a month. That's the same age as Pietrangelo and a year older then OEL. Time to take off the blinders - Schultz is a grown man. If in 2-3 years, when Nurse should be challenging for top line duties, Schultz still needs to be paired with a veteran to "learn the ropes", he should be on the first bus out of town.

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#34 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:15AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

We should be mindful, that an amateur (Noah) built the ark. Experts built the Titanic.

Oilers = Titanic, they do think of themselves as hockey experts, no?

Zarny, Jason Spezza, 6'3" and 225lbs. Would he be included in that exclusive feared behemoth club you mentioned?

Yep, unlike Nuge or any other Oiler top 6 F Spezza would have no problems matching up with Getzlaf, Kopitar, Thornton and Backes.

Definitely some risk though with only 1 year left before UFA.

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#35 OilClog
May 23 2014, 10:56AM
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Phanuef and Spezza added to this team would make an incredible difference, these are the big catches. We can afford both, offer both top minutes with top linemates.

Could you imagine the Nuge playing 2nd's!! Oh man.

Phaneuf has his warts but after a few checks we will all fall in love with him.

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#36 Zarny
May 23 2014, 11:53AM
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@oilerjed

I don't look at it as don't mortgage the future versus win now.

The issue is simply get better.

After drafting Hall, Tambellini literally did nothing to make the team better. He did nothing but acquire fringe players to tread water at the bottom of the league while waiting for draft picks. That's not a plan.

There seems to be an assumption by some that waiting will bring inevitable success. Because of course there have never been 3rd overall draft picks like Huberdeau & Gudbranson or promising young D like Myers who didn't quite meet expectations. It's misguided.

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#37 Zarny
May 23 2014, 12:06PM
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@BLAKPOO

There is merit to waiting till next summer. If Nurse goes back to Jr next year and you get a couple of stop gaps so Marincin and Klefbom are pushed down the depth chart.

In a perfect world or on a better team that is probably the best course of action. Neither applies with the Oilers.

But you also illustrate my point. You're worried about moving one of them who turns out to be top pair D and yet many have same guy playing bottom pair 3 years from now. No GM loses sleep over losing a bottom pair D.

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#38 v4ance
May 23 2014, 04:43PM
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One thing that I'm deathly afraid of is a Scott Gomez/Ryan McDonaugh situation.

Our needs appear so dire for a #2C or a #1D that we may well trade a future star for a few years of "veteran" help which may or may not pan out either.

At least with Ference, we only used cap room but to acquire older vets like Phaneuf, Spezza Thornton, or Marleau, we may sell low on multiple developing assets and buy a year or three of declining performance before an inevitable buyout.

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#39 oilbaron
May 23 2014, 09:17AM
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I see allot of different ways that this off season might unfold. I personally would like to see the poilers "overpay" for Paul Stastny, if he becomes available July 1. I know it would be a long shot but it would really bolster edmontons top 2 center positions. The only really crappy part about how the Off season works, is that the draft comes before free agency. If you look at it, the draft being after free agency, it would open up allot more options for all teams. but it isnt so i will move on.... If we Draft Ekblad, then we would have a plethora of blue chip defensive prospects, Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse and Ekblad. Not all of these players will play for our organization and the longer that we hold onto them the lower the trade value fro them we could potentially see in the coming years. We (oilers managment)would then have to decide on which player to flip for either experienced defenceman to help mature and develope our younger defenceman or trade them for other needs, Bottom 6 type guys, with character who can help out offensivly and are not lost in their own end. If we end up drafting a center then this takes the team down an different path altogether. I personally would like to see whoever we draft be sent back to junior for another year and then bring them, up the year after to play 3rd line minutes...BUT if we do draft a center it would gives us a little more depth that we could then use to trade Sam Gagner+ for other needs. Now throw in the possability of aquiring Paul Stastny to play 1/2 C and this summer could shape up to be quite the change in direction for our beloved oilers. BE BOLD MAC!

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#40 Quicksilver ballet
May 23 2014, 09:20AM
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Compliance buyouts ( 2 max per team, ones that don't count against the cap) are only available last summer, along with this summer. That 2 yr window only for contracts registered before the last CBA. All others will have cap space consequences.

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#41 Reg Dunlop
May 23 2014, 09:31AM
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Building through the draft doesn't include trading players like Marincin for grouchy vets that don't want to be here. If, at best, half of our high-end D prospects turn into actual players, trading one or more is just too risky until we are sure what we are trading away. Like LA, who were willing to deal Teubert but not Voynov or Muzzin, we have to be sure. And really, do we have to make any moves at all? I have been assured that the young guns will tear it up next year after spurning team Canada and spending the extra 3 weeks bombing those lats and traps in the gym.

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#42 Concur
May 23 2014, 10:18AM
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Phaneuf would be a definite.

Either of the Cs, Staal or Richards would be welcome.

Any one of the wingers would be a bonus.

With these additions Gagner has to be going the other way and probably a high defensive prospect. Worthy price to pay in my mind,

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#43 Spoils
May 23 2014, 10:29AM
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@oilbaron

i look at the Jack Johnson trade and I think we are OK holding on and developing all of our young D prospects because if we end up with some extra D they will make great trade bait.

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#44 Spoils
May 23 2014, 10:29AM
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trading picks or assets has to be for pieces that will still work in 4 years when our D comes online.

(I'm one of those guys who has embraced the rebuild. I am putting a stake in the ground and saying let's build our team around the duo of Hall and Nuge, and the team D of Nurse, Kelfbom, Ekblad, and Schultz.)

so - Neal and Stastny are young enough to fit that.

that said, if we are just buying someone - I think Katz owes this city the spend

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#45 Zarny
May 23 2014, 10:48AM
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Most do not think Ekblad will be the next Pronger. He's simply the best D in the draft.

He is a good skater and puck handler but not great. His stats are skewed by PP numbers in Jr he will never repeat as a pro. At even strength his offense lags Darnell Nurse let alone someone like Jones.

Moving up 2 spots and giving away a first overall pick who could very well be better than Ekblad in 4 years is dumb.

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#46 oilerjed
May 23 2014, 11:28AM
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After reading through the comments it seems clear there are two camps: 1)dont mortgage the future 2)WIN NOW DAMN IT!

The successful teams somehow find a way to manage to pull off a middle ground between the two. That being said having talented prospects that dont have anyone to be mentored by are at a massive disadvantage. Whether they turn into stellar pros depends alot on who is showing them how to play\train to be effective in the pros. Nurse,Klefbom, Ekblad(if drafted)etc.. may be great in the future but not without help. No magic will make them that way just because a scout say so or we are forced to rely on them. Quality veterans are needed, sorry Ference but I dont think you fit this bill. Established 1/2 Dmen are the only thing we should be considering to train our future studs.

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#47 BLAKPOO
May 23 2014, 11:48AM
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Zarny wrote:

MacT has 2 advantages: cap dollars and cheap assets (Klefbom/Marincin etc).

It's comical to read comments about how great Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin are and then project one of them to languish as a bottom pair D for the next 5 years.

They all play the left side and only 2 can play in the top 4. If they are all top pair or top 4 talents it is terrible asset management to pencil one in long term as a 5/6 D. Especially with the glut of D prospects like Musil, Simpson and Gernat who may not have as high a ceiling but certainly project to be 5/6 D in 2-3 years.

So yes, absolutely MacT should look at moving one of Klefbom, Marincin or Nurse this summer.

"This summer" seems a little premature. Agreed we have too many lefties, but I'd be loathe to deal one until they've all had an opportunity to develop and log some significant pro minutes.

Trading the wrong guy at this point would be like a knife in the heart of both fans and management.

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#48 madjam
May 23 2014, 03:52PM
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Kahmad92 -Sorry that was Dreger at hockey trade rumours.

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#49 Randaman
May 23 2014, 05:37PM
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Towersofdub wrote:

We should be more mindful that the story of the Noah and the Arc is a made up fairy tale that didn't actually happen, whereas the Titanic was real, was actually built, did actually sail, and wouldn't have sunk had it not been sailed into an iceberg.

Fairy tale? You go straight to your room and say three hail Mary's

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#50 wes
May 23 2014, 09:16PM
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blessed are those who have not seen and so use their given capacities and resource to understand, more fully, that which they are studying through an honest process, changing what was once believed with the data observed, and evolving such belief, hopefully to the point of truth.

(a run-on proverb for sure, but fair; no?)

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